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Post by LGH87 on Feb 5, 2024 1:02:55 GMT
What happens next?
Would the family pull rank and remove John?
Would they just shrug their shoulders, throw more money at more shit and hope for the best?
Would we riot?
I honestly don’t know what would happen if/when we drop?
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 5, 2024 1:26:23 GMT
Nothing really. A few less fans would attend.
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Post by independent on Feb 5, 2024 1:27:33 GMT
Perhaps they would sell/give the club away to the fans and let them see how easy it is to run a club. Or they might sell it to anyone else who is interested. I imagine that they are sick of the constant moaning from people on this site, who think that it's a simple job to make a success of running a club. We are on our 5/6 manager since being relegated 6 years ago, yet there are lots of people complaining that we don't get rid of managers quickly enough. The sense of entitlement among some of our fans is sickening. Whatever manager is flavour of the month should be signed immediately. We have had Potter and now Nuno Espírito Santo mentioned and any nameless foreign manager, all of who will wave a magic wand and get us promoted. I just hope that we stay up.
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Post by rowbeartoe on Feb 5, 2024 1:27:34 GMT
If anyone actually believes Johnny boy is going anywhere without making that decision himself you're on some of that dust shit
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 5, 2024 1:37:07 GMT
Nothing really. A few less fans would attend. Probably the most like outcome, oh and we’ll still struggle to score goals regularly. |
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 5, 2024 1:37:56 GMT
Perhaps they would sell/give the club away to the fans and let them see how easy it is to run a club. Or they might sell it to anyone else who is interested. I imagine that they are sick of the constant moaning from people on this site, who think that it's a simple job to make a success of running a club. We are on our 5/6 manager since being relegated 6 years ago, yet there are lots of people complaining that we don't get rid of managers quickly enough. The sense of entitlement among some of our fans is sickening. Whatever manager is flavour of the month should be signed immediately. We have had Potter and now Nuno Espírito Santo mentioned and any nameless foreign manager, all of who will wave a magic wand and get us promoted. I just hope that we stay up. Another one blaming the fans. Get to fuck. 6 home wins last season, 4 so far this season scoring 11 goals since the opening day and no win in over 100 days. Whilst we see Luton, Plymouth and Ipswich come sailing past us from the league below. But the fans expect too much? Fuck off. |
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 5, 2024 1:41:56 GMT
What happens next? Would the family pull rank and remove John? Would they just shrug their shoulders, throw more money at more shit and hope for the best? Would we riot? I honestly don’t know what would happen if/when we drop? By “the family”, you mean Peter. Denise has never been part of it and doesn’t give a monkey’s, and PC isn’t going to get himself back involved now, at 108 or whatever he is. So we’re dopey John’s plaything for the foreseeable, whatever depths he manages to drag us down to |
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Post by GrahamHyde on Feb 5, 2024 1:42:52 GMT
Perhaps they would sell/give the club away to the fans and let them see how easy it is to run a club. Or they might sell it to anyone else who is interested. I imagine that they are sick of the constant moaning from people on this site, who think that it's a simple job to make a success of running a club. We are on our 5/6 manager since being relegated 6 years ago, yet there are lots of people complaining that we don't get rid of managers quickly enough. The sense of entitlement among some of our fans is sickening. Whatever manager is flavour of the month should be signed immediately. We have had Potter and now Nuno Espírito Santo mentioned and any nameless foreign manager, all of who will wave a magic wand and get us promoted. I just hope that we stay up. John? Is that you? |
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 5, 2024 1:45:11 GMT
What happens next? Would the family pull rank and remove John? Would they just shrug their shoulders, throw more money at more shit and hope for the best? Would we riot? I honestly don’t know what would happen if/when we drop? By “the family”, you mean Peter. Denise has never been part of it and doesn’t give a monkey’s, and PC isn’t going to get himself back involved now, at 108 or whatever he is. So we’re dopey John’s plaything for the foreseeable, whatever depths he manages to drag us down to Richard Smith is on the board, his brother in law. It’s still the family’s money he’s pissing down the drain. If he oversees relegation to the third tier, I’m not sure how much that would cost but I can imagine it’ll be a pretty penny of their money. |
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 5, 2024 1:48:41 GMT
Perhaps they would sell/give the club away to the fans and let them see how easy it is to run a club. Or they might sell it to anyone else who is interested. I imagine that they are sick of the constant moaning from people on this site, who think that it's a simple job to make a success of running a club. We are on our 5/6 manager since being relegated 6 years ago, yet there are lots of people complaining that we don't get rid of managers quickly enough. The sense of entitlement among some of our fans is sickening. Whatever manager is flavour of the month should be signed immediately. We have had Potter and now Nuno Espírito Santo mentioned and any nameless foreign manager, all of who will wave a magic wand and get us promoted. I just hope that we stay up. We’re in the thick of one of the worst series of league finishes in the club’s history, beaten only by.. err, the same people, thirty years ago. And if the fans dare to criticise this we’re “entitled”. Brilliant |
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Post by independent on Feb 5, 2024 1:55:46 GMT
Nothing really. A few less fans would attend. If you really believe that, then i don't think you have given the matter much thought. There are going to be enormous changes in the football world over the next few years. The latest TV deal which is what is financing the present system has peaked. To get the same money, the latest deal actually allows almost all games to be televised. Future deals will probably provide less money. At the same time the WSL will be looking for a chunk of the TV money to underpin their ambitious but financially non performing leagues. Whatever chance the Championship has of continuing on it's merry way (they owe £1700 million between them) and you have already seen clubs having transfer embargoes imposed and points deductions. Players like Brereton Diaz leaving on free transfers and most clubs in the Championship unable to pay any decent fee for a player. Wages will have to fall even further than they already have. The proposed new FFP is designed to force clubs to live within their means. At the moment we have an income of about £32m and fans expect us to lose another £13m each season which the owners will supply. How much do you think our wage bill is? |
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Post by independent on Feb 5, 2024 2:21:22 GMT
Perhaps they would sell/give the club away to the fans and let them see how easy it is to run a club. Or they might sell it to anyone else who is interested. I imagine that they are sick of the constant moaning from people on this site, who think that it's a simple job to make a success of running a club. We are on our 5/6 manager since being relegated 6 years ago, yet there are lots of people complaining that we don't get rid of managers quickly enough. The sense of entitlement among some of our fans is sickening. Whatever manager is flavour of the month should be signed immediately. We have had Potter and now Nuno Espírito Santo mentioned and any nameless foreign manager, all of who will wave a magic wand and get us promoted. I just hope that we stay up. Another one blaming the fans. Get to fuck. 6 home wins last season, 4 so far this season scoring 11 goals since the opening day and no win in over 100 days. Whilst we see Luton, Plymouth and Ipswich come sailing past us from the league below. But the fans expect too much? Fuck off. Intersting that you are complaining about results last season and this one.The club had a good manager who got 60 and 62 points in his 2 full seasons,with no money and FFP problems. At the same time he was having to cut the wage bill to a third of what it was, and cope with a crippling injuries list. But a lot of silly people on here couldn't wait to replace him. Some even went so far as to suggest that AN saved us from relegation last season. When I asked them if they wanted to let him repeat the trick this year, they went very quiet. There are no magic wands in football and teams have to be built not glued together. It takes time and it is more difficult now than it ever was, as Vultures are only waiting to pounce on any decent player you do have. What is most disappointing, is the fact that this is the first time in many years that we could spend some money and put in place the foundations of a good team. We have thrown that opportunity away for the moment. Managers need time. |
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Post by dirtclod on Feb 5, 2024 2:40:43 GMT
Perhaps they would sell/give the club away to the fans and let them see how easy it is to run a club. Or they might sell it to anyone else who is interested. I imagine that they are sick of the constant moaning from people on this site, who think that it's a simple job to make a success of running a club. We are on our 5/6 manager since being relegated 6 years ago, yet there are lots of people complaining that we don't get rid of managers quickly enough. The sense of entitlement among some of our fans is sickening. Whatever manager is flavour of the month should be signed immediately. We have had Potter and now Nuno Espírito Santo mentioned and any nameless foreign manager, all of who will wave a magic wand and get us promoted. I just hope that we stay up. I took his post to mean that we tend towards knicker-wetting on here pretty much every other day. |
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Post by independent on Feb 5, 2024 2:58:26 GMT
Perhaps they would sell/give the club away to the fans and let them see how easy it is to run a club. Or they might sell it to anyone else who is interested. I imagine that they are sick of the constant moaning from people on this site, who think that it's a simple job to make a success of running a club. We are on our 5/6 manager since being relegated 6 years ago, yet there are lots of people complaining that we don't get rid of managers quickly enough. The sense of entitlement among some of our fans is sickening. Whatever manager is flavour of the month should be signed immediately. We have had Potter and now Nuno Espírito Santo mentioned and any nameless foreign manager, all of who will wave a magic wand and get us promoted. I just hope that we stay up. We’re in the thick of one of the worst series of league finishes in the club’s history, beaten only by.. err, the same people, thirty years ago. And if the fans dare to criticise this we’re “entitled”. Brilliant I understand your frustration but I never said that criticism of our present situation is not merited. I was speaking of our fans who think that we would be an established Premier Club if it wasn't for those nasty stupid owners we have. |
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 5, 2024 3:20:46 GMT
We’re in the thick of one of the worst series of league finishes in the club’s history, beaten only by.. err, the same people, thirty years ago. And if the fans dare to criticise this we’re “entitled”. Brilliant I understand your frustration but I never said that criticism of our present situation is not merited. I was speaking of our fans who think that we would be an established Premier Club if it wasn't for those nasty stupid owners we have. The very thing that is frustrating is that we should be an established Premier League club *because* of the owners we have - passionate local fans who genuinely care, and who also happen to be fucking filthy rich. We absolutely should be a permanent fixture in the top half of the PL, getting to cup semis/finals etc. And yet. They persist in making such a horrendous mess of it that it’s not at all unreasonable to think we’d be better off taking our chances without them. It’s really quite tragic. |
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Post by callas12 on Feb 5, 2024 3:55:34 GMT
Perhaps they would sell/give the club away to the fans and let them see how easy it is to run a club. Or they might sell it to anyone else who is interested. I imagine that they are sick of the constant moaning from people on this site, who think that it's a simple job to make a success of running a club. We are on our 5/6 manager since being relegated 6 years ago, yet there are lots of people complaining that we don't get rid of managers quickly enough. The sense of entitlement among some of our fans is sickening. Whatever manager is flavour of the month should be signed immediately. We have had Potter and now Nuno Espírito Santo mentioned and any nameless foreign manager, all of who will wave a magic wand and get us promoted. I just hope that we stay up. This is the thing though, running a football club should and can be easy within reason if, you have the funds, resources, foundations in place to make it work & perhaps more importantly and the main area we look to be lacking in, is a proper business model to work to from the very top. Stoke City in the Premier League had all of this in place and the footings were there to either maintain ourselves in the top flight, or to build & push on. Everything else then just flows. Stoke under our current owners had and still have all of the above. We were once, not many years ago what clubs like Brighton, Bournemouth & Brentford aspired to be like! Now we aspire to be like Brighton! Yet for some unfathomable reason our owners who have the wealth, had the footings in place and the following & support of a loyal fanbase, have mismanaged things to such a degree that we're in a position worse now than we ever were as a Championship club, prior to even getting promotion in the first place! How is this so is the question me and many others have asked ever since. Can you provide the answers to this? That is mismanagement and a complete lack of competence from the owners of our club, its all happened under their watch! It's not the fans fault in any-way shape or form, but it's the fans who suffer the most. It certainly isn't an entitlement as you put it. It's a genuine concern how we have the structure & finances to improve but never do. Luton have shown recently how a club with far smaller finances, structure and even a ground not fit for the Premier League, if ran correctly can achieve promotion to the Premier League. This example highlights perfectly how our owners must be doing something seriously wrong behind the scenes. Yet you say the fans are moaning! Well I'll apologise for feeling the need to speak out after such a large fall from grace. & after 6 subsequent years of patience & keeping the faith with our 'wonderful' owners who are still not learning anything & no improvements to the situation looking even remotely possible in the foreseeable future! We pay our hard earned money to watch this debacle that is just a cycle of false promises, false belief and season on season failure! Every time a decision to replace the manager is made, we get informed the new management team are the best available to achieve our aims! Yet the seasons roll on with no change aside from the managers and playing staff! It's all getting repetitive and boring now. |
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 5, 2024 6:33:12 GMT
Not much I reckon. The club have done an excellent job in managing our expectations and developing a general feeling of apathy.
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Post by theonlooker on Feb 5, 2024 7:00:28 GMT
They would release a statement saying there will be an overhaul and continued support, saying they've learned from their mistakes etc.
They would sack Martin, Dublin and Schumacher and would happily appoint some no mark like Lee Johnson and hand him a comparable fortune to spend before appointing some young buck from the national league to come in and sort out his mess when he inevitably failed.
Basically they'd do the same shit they've done for 6 years but at a lower level with lower quality staff.
I'm genuinely fearful that relegation to the fourth tier would soon follow. Many would predict a Sunderland or Ipswich style promotion and rise but in truth, the absolute top level best we could hope for under this family is a promotion and struggle in the shape of a Rotherham or Sheffield Wednesday.
The owners have clearly proven they are just not fit for purpose for a long, long time now and it's long overdue that people recognise this.
For what it's worth, I do think there is a genuine probability that we are going down and are going down the route I've posted here.
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Post by scfcnicholas on Feb 5, 2024 7:08:25 GMT
Perhaps they would sell/give the club away to the fans and let them see how easy it is to run a club. Or they might sell it to anyone else who is interested. I imagine that they are sick of the constant moaning from people on this site, who think that it's a simple job to make a success of running a club. We are on our 5/6 manager since being relegated 6 years ago, yet there are lots of people complaining that we don't get rid of managers quickly enough. The sense of entitlement among some of our fans is sickening. Whatever manager is flavour of the month should be signed immediately. We have had Potter and now Nuno Espírito Santo mentioned and any nameless foreign manager, all of who will wave a magic wand and get us promoted. I just hope that we stay up. This is the thing though, running a football club should and can be easy within reason if, you have the funds, resources, foundations in place to make it work & perhaps more importantly and the main area we look to be lacking in, is a proper business model to work to from the very top. Stoke City in the Premier League had all of this in place and the footings were there to either maintain ourselves in the top flight, or to build & push on. Everything else then just flows. Stoke under our current owners had and still have all of the above. We were once, not many years ago what clubs like Brighton, Bournemouth & Brentford aspired to be like! Now we aspire to be like Brighton! Yet for some unfathomable reason our owners who have the wealth, had the footings in place and the following & support of a loyal fanbase, have mismanaged things to such a degree that we're in a position worse now than we ever were as a Championship club, prior to even getting promotion in the first place! How is this so is the question me and many others have asked ever since. Can you provide the answers to this? That is mismanagement and a complete lack of competence from the owners of our club, its all happened under their watch! It's not the fans fault in any-way shape or form, but it's the fans who suffer the most. It certainly isn't an entitlement as you put it. It's a genuine concern how we have the structure & finances to improve but never do. Luton have shown recently how a club with far smaller finances, structure and even a ground not fit for the Premier League, if ran correctly can achieve promotion to the Premier League. This example highlights perfectly how our owners must be doing something seriously wrong behind the scenes. Yet you say the fans are moaning! Well I'll apologise for feeling the need to speak out after such a large fall from grace. & after 6 subsequent years of patience & keeping the faith with our 'wonderful' owners who are still not learning anything & no improvements to the situation looking even remotely possible in the foreseeable future! We pay our hard earned money to watch this debacle that is just a cycle of false promises, false belief and season on season failure! Every time a decision to replace the manager is made, we get informed the new management team are the best available to achieve our aims! Yet the seasons roll on with no change aside from the managers and playing staff! It's all getting repetitive and boring now. It’s utter shite I agree but to say we’re in a worse position than when we got promotion from league 1 (Division 2 as it was then) is sensationalist nonsense. We were on a shoe string with a poor squad and rooted close to the foot of the table and all around expected to go down. That is not quite the case |
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Post by greenhoff on Feb 5, 2024 7:14:38 GMT
This is the thing though, running a football club should and can be easy within reason if, you have the funds, resources, foundations in place to make it work & perhaps more importantly and the main area we look to be lacking in, is a proper business model to work to from the very top. Stoke City in the Premier League had all of this in place and the footings were there to either maintain ourselves in the top flight, or to build & push on. Everything else then just flows. Stoke under our current owners had and still have all of the above. We were once, not many years ago what clubs like Brighton, Bournemouth & Brentford aspired to be like! Now we aspire to be like Brighton! Yet for some unfathomable reason our owners who have the wealth, had the footings in place and the following & support of a loyal fanbase, have mismanaged things to such a degree that we're in a position worse now than we ever were as a Championship club, prior to even getting promotion in the first place! How is this so is the question me and many others have asked ever since. Can you provide the answers to this? That is mismanagement and a complete lack of competence from the owners of our club, its all happened under their watch! It's not the fans fault in any-way shape or form, but it's the fans who suffer the most. It certainly isn't an entitlement as you put it. It's a genuine concern how we have the structure & finances to improve but never do. Luton have shown recently how a club with far smaller finances, structure and even a ground not fit for the Premier League, if ran correctly can achieve promotion to the Premier League. This example highlights perfectly how our owners must be doing something seriously wrong behind the scenes. Yet you say the fans are moaning! Well I'll apologise for feeling the need to speak out after such a large fall from grace. & after 6 subsequent years of patience & keeping the faith with our 'wonderful' owners who are still not learning anything & no improvements to the situation looking even remotely possible in the foreseeable future! We pay our hard earned money to watch this debacle that is just a cycle of false promises, false belief and season on season failure! Every time a decision to replace the manager is made, we get informed the new management team are the best available to achieve our aims! Yet the seasons roll on with no change aside from the managers and playing staff! It's all getting repetitive and boring now. It’s utter shite I agree but to say we’re in a worse position than when we got promotion from league 1 (Division 2 as it was then) is sensationalist nonsense. We were on a shoe string with a poor squad and rooted close to the foot of the table and all around expected to go down. That is not quite the case That’s not what it says though is it? |
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Feb 5, 2024 7:17:50 GMT
It's hard to say what will happen.
If we go down and play well and dominate D1 then the feel good factor kicks back in and crowds will return ( home crowds).
If we go down and continue to spiral down crowds will drop, circa 10 to 12K and it could be years before we recover.
On the up side though 3 potential local Derbies , Vale, Crewe and Burton
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Post by pottersson on Feb 5, 2024 7:20:04 GMT
How can you be worth so much money and keep fucking it up on every level.
I’d argue that there is only so much money that they are willing to piss away before they say enough is enough.
Unless the rest of the Coates just see the club as johns toy but there’s no way they run bet365 like they do the football club surely.
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Post by greenhoff on Feb 5, 2024 7:21:50 GMT
As I said before the last relegation there are no benefits whatsoever in going down
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Post by questionable on Feb 5, 2024 7:30:46 GMT
If anyone actually believes Johnny boy is going anywhere without making that decision himself you're on some of that dust shit His old man did |
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Post by scfcnicholas on Feb 5, 2024 7:34:06 GMT
It’s utter shite I agree but to say we’re in a worse position than when we got promotion from league 1 (Division 2 as it was then) is sensationalist nonsense. We were on a shoe string with a poor squad and rooted close to the foot of the table and all around expected to go down. That is not quite the case That’s not what it says though is it? “we're in a position worse now than we ever were as a Championship club, prior to even getting promotion in the first place!“ How isn’t it? |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 5, 2024 7:43:58 GMT
Martin gives a press conference saying.
“ We obviously considered all ot strategic options being future proofed and the recruitment of a manager who won Leagie one last season is obviously another example of our strategic approach woeling .Our long term strategic plan remains unaltered and we will continue to develop the wining culture , best practice and building of the five pillars we have established during the incredibly successful last two years , it may not seem successful to the fans but it time it wil be become obvious Jared and i have established. A bed rock for unparalleled success having rid the club of the incompetents. and we look forward to another ground breaking brilliant organised pre season.
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Post by samdan on Feb 5, 2024 7:50:26 GMT
That’s not what it says though is it? “we're in a position worse now than we ever were as a Championship club, prior to even getting promotion in the first place!“ How isn’t it? As in despite all the money they pumped in we are in a worse position now than we were before the Coates family returned and got us promoted to the premier league |
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Post by Gods on Feb 5, 2024 7:54:26 GMT
I think JC holding the purse strings and in post remains our best option.
Any other realistic options are worse.
Just have to hope he flukes it and finally gets the right team in post.
A stopped clock is right twice a day.
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Post by callas12 on Feb 5, 2024 7:54:41 GMT
That’s not what it says though is it? “we're in a position worse now than we ever were as a Championship club, prior to even getting promotion in the first place!“ How isn’t it? Right now we're in a worse state than we were before we got promotion to the Premier League. Quite self explanatory really. Prior to gaining promotion to the Prem we were at least having top half finishes and just missing out on the play offs. Since Premier League football we've had constant bottom half finishes. ie we've regressed as a club, the riches & status of the Premier League have passed us by. It's as if we haven't been there. Not a great legacy that whichever way its looked back on. |
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Post by a on Feb 5, 2024 8:18:25 GMT
I have a feeling that if we got relegated and didn’t come straight back up, which I don’t think we would, we wouldn’t be much of an attractive proposition for any potential buyer. Relegation doesn’t bear thinking about for that reason alone.
If we were purchased by someone else it could be the consignment to L1 for the foreseeable future. As someone else said yesterday we expected to bounce straight back up but unlike teams like Southampton and Leicester many of our players at that time jumped ship or had no fight for the club. It would probably be worse again in L1.
We’d rely on youth players who are untested or journeymen looking to restart their careers. What gates would we get? 10,000-12,000?
Lots of unknowns and ifs and buts. It would be a weird time that’s for sure.
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