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Post by baconburger on Feb 6, 2024 19:35:45 GMT
Can’t help yourself…Of course we should be putting more ‘resources’ into defending. Or let’s keep it wide open and carry on conceding and therefore accept relegation.I’ll leave you to your hero whoever that is..Noddy more than likely. Well we’ve tried things your way for most of my supporting life. It’s neither successful or enjoyable and it’s certainly not what Schu was bought in to implement. Pretty sure there would have been dozens of more suitable candidates for that gig.
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Post by independent on Feb 6, 2024 19:38:15 GMT
what is "about 2 players?" Remember we have also signed Pearson on a 4 year contract and gone begging to Clarke,so I'm sure that he is on a good whack. Either way 70% of £32m is £22.4m and that is recognised as the correct % of your income that should go on wages. If we went down, I imagine our income would also go down as we would at least get less from the Premier League money. MON and the Coates family did very well to sort out our finances in 3 years, we just need to not repeat our previous mistakes. Some people on here complained that MON had too many players contracts ending in June last. We always had the option to re-sign them. Would you rather go down into League One with all your players on Championship contracts. Now that would be repeating a past mistake. Pearson needs taking out of the squad and putting on a fitness plan to get back in shape, if he's as good a pro as previous managers of his have alluded to he'll acknowledge that his current state isn't acceptable and work hard to rectify it. If he sees his arse then it reflects more on him than anyone else......... I said preseason that he needed to lose weight, in reply to some poster who was doing cartwheels as we had signed the new "Messiah". Instead he just put on more pounds.
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Post by anchorman on Feb 6, 2024 19:40:46 GMT
We hardly missed a match in the promotion season (250 mile round trip for a home game) loved it under Lou, he gave us back our club and our pride and it was one of my favourite season's ever. However, the shockingly bad years prior to that were horrendous and I don't want a repeat of that. Similarly when we went back down in 1998/9 it was 3-4 years of shit before we got back up. No thanks!
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Post by baconburger on Feb 6, 2024 19:42:29 GMT
Pearson needs taking out of the squad and putting on a fitness plan to get back in shape, if he's as good a pro as previous managers of his have alluded to he'll acknowledge that his current state isn't acceptable and work hard to rectify it. If he sees his arse then it reflects more on him than anyone else......... I said preseason that he needed to lose weight, in reply to some poster who was doing cartwheels as we had signed the new "Messiah". Instead he just put on more pounds. I just think he doesn’t suit the Schu way of playing. He turned up last season on loan and IMO played better when he was a bit chunky and not fully fit than he did when he looked fitter towards the end of the season. We just need to hope AN hurries up and gets a job and takes him off our hands.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Feb 6, 2024 19:42:34 GMT
Long time ago that…that was a great team/squad but let’s not not pretend that you’d be up for league one Ideally not, but I'd happily take a season like 91/92 or 92/93 over any of the past 6 we've endured. I don't recall many deflated weekends back then and ultimately I just want to watch my team compete. We don't seem to be able to do it at this level I understand where you are coming from. However, I remember some posters on this board making the same argument when we were about to be relegated from the Premier League. There is nothing to suggest that we would compete any better in League 1 bearing in mind we would probably have to recruit a new team again. There are lots of 'big' clubs that have gone down and struggled to get out again. Playing Stevenage in front of a half-empty stadium with a load of players worse than we already have now is not very appealing to me. 😂
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Post by anchorman on Feb 6, 2024 19:50:54 GMT
Can’t help yourself…Of course we should be putting more ‘resources’ into defending. Or let’s keep it wide open and carry on conceding and therefore accept relegation.I’ll leave you to your hero whoever that is..Noddy more than likely. Well we’ve tried things your way for most of my supporting life. It’s neither successful or enjoyable and it’s certainly not what Schu was bought in to implement. Pretty sure there would have been dozens of more suitable candidates for that gig. Tried things my way?! I would love to say differently but I've never managed Stoke City so no we haven't tried things my way. The gig is to win football matches by putting the ball in the net at one end and keeping it out at the other. And just for the record when I think about defending I'm thinking of defenders like Denis Smith, Bloor, Pejic, Marsh, Skeels, Dodd, Watson, Doyle, Cranson, Overson, Shtanik, Shawcross, Faye, Huth, Wilko. Whatever it is we've been trying for the last years isn't working. Let's hope and pray that it works for SS.
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Post by telfordstokie on Feb 6, 2024 19:52:39 GMT
We’re having a truly terrible season, arguably the worst at this stage since relegation. But we are still four points clear of the bottom three and an average point a game should see us safe.
You have to be genuinely terrible to get relegated from this league without a points deduction - think we will be ok.
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Post by DC1863 on Feb 6, 2024 20:19:43 GMT
We’re in the thick of one of the worst series of league finishes in the club’s history, beaten only by.. err, the same people, thirty years ago. And if the fans dare to criticise this we’re “entitled”. Brilliant I understand your frustration but I never said that criticism of our present situation is not merited. I was speaking of our fans who think that we would be an established Premier Club if it wasn't for those nasty stupid owners we have. This gets said so often by pundits, managers and our players so often and it annoys me every time. I don't expect to see Stoke get promoted, I just want to see us have a decent season, finish in the top half for once, not have the season be over come February. It's been about 6 years of a constant downward spiral, we just want a reprieve, something to celebrate.
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Post by bertiestan on Feb 6, 2024 20:38:46 GMT
Long time ago that…that was a great team/squad but let’s not not pretend that you’d be up for league one Ideally not, but I'd happily take a season like 91/92 or 92/93 over any of the past 6 we've endured. I don't recall many deflated weekends back then and ultimately I just want to watch my team compete. We don't seem to be able to do it at this level In 92 we didn’t have social media n all that goes with it to highlight or drum into us how shit we were/are😂 it was done with by 5.30, nowadays I’m still screwing over it days later on here with you lot😂
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Post by skip on Feb 6, 2024 21:18:55 GMT
There is no bright side to relegation. We must not allow ourselves to think this. Fuck League One and all who sail in her. You must have hated the Macari and Stein era then? Of course I didn't. But Macari is not our manager and nor do we have anyone compatible to Mark Stein.
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Post by rambo61 on Feb 7, 2024 0:16:25 GMT
I stand by my post.Who the fuck wants to go to Q.P.R when we've got Blackpool..Fleetwood,Crewe, Boltan andthe new vale bogs to visit!!!🤣🤣🤣
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Feb 7, 2024 3:06:08 GMT
At least block 19 will be happy.... They can milk the "relegation" song!!!
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Feb 7, 2024 5:30:37 GMT
There is no bright side to relegation. We must not allow ourselves to think this. Fuck League One and all who sail in her. You must have hated the Macari and Stein era then? They weren't the glory days some claim We were in the lowest league in our history and as great as winning games was , the standard of opposition wasn't in reality . The equivalent of beating Burton now
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Post by nott1 on Feb 7, 2024 8:51:18 GMT
It is possible though with the pathetic displays we have had lately. If that continues in the same vein we would deserve relegation! I just hope you are right!
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Post by baconburger on Feb 7, 2024 9:02:27 GMT
You must have hated the Macari and Stein era then? They weren't the glory days some claim We were in the lowest league in our history and as great as winning games was , the standard of opposition wasn't in reality . The equivalent of beating Burton now Strange, not how I was thinking about it at the time. The level you’re at is the only level that matters. Both hypothetical but I’m certain I’d enjoy battling for promotion from the championship much more than trying to avoid relegation from the premier league.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Feb 7, 2024 9:14:43 GMT
They weren't the glory days some claim We were in the lowest league in our history and as great as winning games was , the standard of opposition wasn't in reality . The equivalent of beating Burton now Strange, not how I was thinking about it at the time. The level you’re at is the only level that matters. Both hypothetical but I’m certain I’d enjoy battling for promotion from the championship much more than trying to avoid relegation from the premier league. If reminiscing re the good times beating Mansfield is our level then we should be worried
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Post by Scouse on Feb 7, 2024 10:20:48 GMT
As always people tend to look at thing with rose tinted specs ..remembering the good , conveniently forgetting the rest
Ultimately as we were successful, as we should have been given the vast difference in our resources then memories are generally good , especially for those that coincided with being the right age to enjoy football for the whole days events , rather than just the 90 minutes
But wanting to head downwards and hopefully win a few more than you lose on and off the pitch is IMHO small time and bullying in the extreme ..reach for the stars , not the bowls of the earth
The one advantage from those days is provided we retain the priority system for away tickets is getting tickets hopefully won’t be the constant night mare it was then .Im getting a little too old in the tooth to be spending all my time securing tickets - though push come to shove would do whatever it takes once again
Of course some would take the meagre positives from the huge list of negatives and enjoy the novelty of new grounds , a percentage though would no doubt also enjoy and use the opportunity to bully .. the 3rd tier really isn’t where we should be looking to be , both as a club and a set of supporters for a whole host of reasons and perhaps speaks volumes if we are
Have I taken a look at the clubs we’d play , sadly yes , it doesn’t make good reading .. but as always in a supporters life you need to plan ahead
Onwards and upwards .
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Post by baconburger on Feb 7, 2024 11:33:12 GMT
Strange, not how I was thinking about it at the time. The level you’re at is the only level that matters. Both hypothetical but I’m certain I’d enjoy battling for promotion from the championship much more than trying to avoid relegation from the premier league. If reminiscing re the good times beating Mansfield is our level then we should be worried Maybe the top flight is your only focus. It’s only my focus if we are in it. More so now than ever. If we’re coming first in whatever level we’re at it’s going to be one of the best seasons of my supporting life so seldom has it happened.
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Post by Miles Offside on Feb 7, 2024 12:41:02 GMT
Perhaps they would sell/give the club away to the fans and let them see how easy it is to run a club. Or they might sell it to anyone else who is interested. I imagine that they are sick of the constant moaning from people on this site, who think that it's a simple job to make a success of running a club. We are on our 5/6 manager since being relegated 6 years ago, yet there are lots of people complaining that we don't get rid of managers quickly enough. The sense of entitlement among some of our fans is sickening. Whatever manager is flavour of the month should be signed immediately. We have had Potter and now Nuno Espírito Santo mentioned and any nameless foreign manager, all of who will wave a magic wand and get us promoted. I just hope that we stay up. Another one blaming the fans. Get to fuck. 6 home wins last season, 4 so far this season scoring 11 goals since the opening day and no win in over 100 days. Whilst we see Luton, Plymouth and Ipswich come sailing past us from the league below. But the fans expect too much? Fuck off. He didn't "blame the fans" though, did he? There are tens of thousands of fans with thousands of different opinions. Many of them will agree with the points he made while still being pissed off at what we've had to sit through since our last season in the Prem.
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Post by JudgeMental on Feb 7, 2024 12:46:33 GMT
At least block 19 will be happy.... They can milk the "relegation" song!!! F**ing loathe that song - from the minute it drew breath.
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Post by Scrotnig on Feb 7, 2024 13:01:06 GMT
the bright side of relegation...some fantastic away days there!!!👍 There is no bright side to relegation. We must not allow ourselves to think this. Fuck League One and all who sail in her. Indeed. We had all this with relegation to the Championship. People saying at least we’d win some games, some great away days, better league, etc etc. All wrong. It’s shit and we were shit. And still are. Going down another tier will be the same, just even worse.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Feb 7, 2024 14:30:25 GMT
At least block 19 will be happy.... They can milk the "relegation" song!!! F**ing loathe that song - from the minute it drew breath. 😁 Me too, it really is proper cringeworthy!!!
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Post by greenhoff on Feb 7, 2024 15:14:57 GMT
You must have hated the Macari and Stein era then? They weren't the glory days some claim We were in the lowest league in our history and as great as winning games was , the standard of opposition wasn't in reality . The equivalent of beating Burton now I started watching us in 1974. Lou’s first tenure ranks alongside anything I’ve ever seen probably only matched by our first season in The Prem. The club was completely united behind my favourite ever Stoke City manager. An unforgettable trip to Wembley, long unbeaten runs, a player who next to Greenhoff is my favourite player ever in Mark Stein. Yep not the best opposition but certainly Glory Years in my book
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Feb 7, 2024 15:21:24 GMT
They weren't the glory days some claim We were in the lowest league in our history and as great as winning games was , the standard of opposition wasn't in reality . The equivalent of beating Burton now I started watching us in 1974. Lou’s first tenure ranks alongside anything I’ve ever seen probably only matched by our first season in The Prem. The club was completely united behind my favourite ever Stoke City manager. An unforgettable trip to Wembley, long unbeaten runs, a player who next to Greenhoff is my favourite player ever in Mark Stein. Yep not the best opposition but certainly Glory Years in my book If you're winning games is great of course but to compare to playing in the top flight ..not even close . If you see division 3 football as glory days when we rarely stopped 20k then fine . Stein was fantastic at the time. Lou I had little time for reasons won't go into and his exit was on the cards for a long time but his management and style worked excellently at that level only. Bottom line was, 3rd tier of football
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Feb 7, 2024 15:35:57 GMT
I never want to see lower league football again no matter how shit we are, we are not particularly good at it were not particularly good in the championship either at the moment i know but lower league football sucks apart from about 3 seasons at the end of the day it was still lower league football, not for me thanks.
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Post by Ron on Feb 7, 2024 15:40:26 GMT
Still funny seeing people seemingly convinced we won’t go down… open your eyes !
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Post by independent on Feb 7, 2024 19:24:14 GMT
I understand your frustration but I never said that criticism of our present situation is not merited. I was speaking of our fans who think that we would be an established Premier Club if it wasn't for those nasty stupid owners we have. This gets said so often by pundits, managers and our players so often and it annoys me every time. I don't expect to see Stoke get promoted, I just want to see us have a decent season, finish in the top half for once, not have the season be over come February.It's been about 6 years of a constant downward spiral, we just want a reprieve, something to celebrate. So do I. This year has been the most disappointing of all, when it should have been the beginning of a resurgence. It took until the end of last season to get the club back on an even keel. The previous 3 seasons had to be endured, it was unavoidable. However this year should have been much more enjoyable and we should be much higher in the table. If MON could get 62 pts. with no cash, I don't see why whoever we employ as manager can't do at least as well when he has got cash to spend. Hopefully our present manager will get us the players we need to play attacking football and actually win more games.
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Post by onionman on Feb 7, 2024 21:07:13 GMT
Sometimes I think it would be easier just to get relegated and win a few games against teams like Shrewsbury or Chester. Then I remember teams like Shrewsbury and Chester always seemed to beat us last time we were there, which was even more depressing than continually losing to Preston and Bristol City.
Imagine the triumphant manager of Fleetwood walking off the Bet 365 after a streaky 1-0 win and saluting the 24 travelling fans partying like they're the first team ever to win away at Stoke.
Imagine Accrington Stanley scoring from a corner in the 3rd minute and then time-wasting for the rest of the match as Leris and Cundle or whoever huff and puff without ever seriously threatening an equaliser.
And then imagine what happens after the transfer window closes in February, and we wonder which desperate free agents we are going to end up signing to bolster our squad, and then someone takes a photo of Dwight Fucking Gayle's car parked outside Clayton Wood. Because ask Derby County - that's what happens when you're in League One.
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Post by Scouse on Feb 7, 2024 21:14:02 GMT
The Lou years were great .. but before that , anyone get that same warm glow and club and fans in harmony all pulling together feeling about 90/91 ..no ? strange that , despite losing more games than we won that year it was the same place that many seem to remember with fondness ..🙃
As great as Lou was , We really shouldn’t be reliant on saviours for our good memories
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Post by baconburger on Feb 8, 2024 8:11:51 GMT
I started watching us in 1974. Lou’s first tenure ranks alongside anything I’ve ever seen probably only matched by our first season in The Prem. The club was completely united behind my favourite ever Stoke City manager. An unforgettable trip to Wembley, long unbeaten runs, a player who next to Greenhoff is my favourite player ever in Mark Stein. Yep not the best opposition but certainly Glory Years in my book If you're winning games is great of course but to compare to playing in the top flight ..not even close . If you see division 3 football as glory days when we rarely stopped 20k then fine . Stein was fantastic at the time. Lou I had little time for reasons won't go into and his exit was on the cards for a long time but his management and style worked excellently at that level only. Bottom line was, 3rd tier of football I couldn’t disagree more I’ve found a high percentage of our seasons in the top flight thoroughly depressing and the only real desire to get back there is the prospect of the season of achieving it (promotion season). The prospect of being a Luton or even an Everton, Bournemouth, Forest, Palace just doesn’t do anything for me. There were a couple of very short periods in the prem where I thought we could go toe to toe with any team and have a realistic expectation we might win without that I find it soul destroying. I’d rather be watching us play enterprising football at whatever level than parking the bus and trying to survive on a regular basis.
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