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Post by st3mark on Feb 5, 2024 8:35:34 GMT
As I said before the last relegation there are no benefits whatsoever in going down Less queue at the turnstiles, less queue at the bar and less queue at the toilets. Oh and less queue on the stairs to get out.
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Post by st3mark on Feb 5, 2024 8:50:14 GMT
I think I'm actually ready to go down.
I loved that period last time. I don't think I can take much more of this shite.
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Post by mamathestriker on Feb 5, 2024 8:52:13 GMT
I think I'm actually ready to go down. I loved that period last time. I don't think I can take much more of this shite. I thought that when we came down from the PL though. We somehow have been even worse. With Tricky running the show I genuinely think we'd struggle in L1.
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 5, 2024 8:55:58 GMT
Are there FFP rules in the Third Division?
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Post by prudhoesnose on Feb 5, 2024 9:00:44 GMT
Obviously don't want us relegated, but it feels inevitable soon
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Post by idle on Feb 5, 2024 9:02:22 GMT
Are there FFP rules in the Third Division? The same ones. Plus, no one cares anymore, so our income would drop as well, making FFP even harder to pass.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 5, 2024 9:03:23 GMT
The way the club is been run since JC took over,if we go down,I think there is more chance of us going down to Div 2 ,rather than getting promoted,
How JC can't see the decline the club as been in under his watch is,negligence of the highest order.
Is he too thick,or too stubborn to realise he needs football people to do the work he himself is failing badly at?
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Post by stokiejoe on Feb 5, 2024 9:05:23 GMT
I was always told that the best way to make a small fortune from owning a football team was to start with a large fortune.
We have rich owners who are fans, I don't see how replacing them with absentee owners or company would improve the situation
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Post by idle on Feb 5, 2024 9:07:39 GMT
I was always told that the best way to make a small fortune from owning a football team was to start with a large fortune. We have rich owners who are fan, I don't see how replacing them with absentee owners or company would improve the situation I disagree. The further away JC are to any decision about the club the better. DoF, recruitment staff and manager hirings he should be kept far away from! It could be worse of course, but it could also be better. Much better.
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Post by Scouse on Feb 5, 2024 9:09:27 GMT
The problem with having lots of money is owners and fans alike become impatient .. with many believing the money should provide a straight line of progress .. no two steps forward 1 back and no stalling ..
Rather than building a project …as soon as progress stops or doesn’t happen , then money adds to the pressures because it tempts you to rip everything up and start again..
So we never get to the stage of actually putting together a 90% promotion chasing squad / coaches etc & fine tuning it , we don’t even get beyond 30% because we’re forever starting again
One advantage of having a TD / DoF is he ( she ) should be smoothing out the flat bits to keep us on track , and provide technical support to a non technical board ( ie exactly what people are calling for ) .. and stop the board from getting a ) impatient b ) thinking money solves everything & that targeted one step at a time changes are likely to bring better results than numerous mass changes
Of course you need to recruit right to give you a strong foundation to start ..that includes at TD , DoF level
I don’t get to hung up on RMs slide shows and 5 pillocks ( sorry pillars ) of progress , I grant you its very 90s management spiel , but is the sort of dumbed down explanation and presentations he should be providing to non technical board members of how he intends to spend their money .. the question just like when parliament questions experts is if his explanations are ever questioned and 2nd opinions sought ..or are taken as read and just nodded through
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 5, 2024 9:10:08 GMT
Are there FFP rules in the Third Division? Yes but it's done differently to the championship. You can only spend a fixed % of you revenue on wages. However because we'd have one of the highest revenues in the league I'd imagine we'd have quite a lot of wiggle room, giving us one of the largest budgets in the league to piss away on absolute shite.
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Post by stokiejoe on Feb 5, 2024 9:11:44 GMT
I was always told that the best way to make a small fortune from owning a football team was to start with a large fortune. We have rich owners who are fan, I don't see how replacing them with absentee owners or company would improve the situation I disagree. The further away JC are to any decision about the club the better. DoF, recruitment staff and manager hirings he should be kept far away from! It could be worse of course, but it could also be better. Much better. How?
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Post by a on Feb 5, 2024 9:14:56 GMT
I was always told that the best way to make a small fortune from owning a football team was to start with a large fortune. We have rich owners who are fan, I don't see how replacing them with absentee owners or company would improve the situation I disagree. The further away JC are to any decision about the club the better. DoF, recruitment staff and manager hirings he should be kept far away from! It could be worse of course, but it could also be better. Much better. Could he maybe hand the running over someone else or is that already meant to be the case?
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Post by idle on Feb 5, 2024 9:17:48 GMT
I disagree. The further away JC are to any decision about the club the better. DoF, recruitment staff and manager hirings he should be kept far away from! It could be worse of course, but it could also be better. Much better. How? He keeps getting bamboozeled by poor people at the top of the football side IMO. Tricky. The managers, although I still hope SS is the right choice, purely by chance. Or maybe I'm just impatient.
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Post by idle on Feb 5, 2024 9:18:24 GMT
I disagree. The further away JC are to any decision about the club the better. DoF, recruitment staff and manager hirings he should be kept far away from! It could be worse of course, but it could also be better. Much better. Could he maybe hand the running over someone else or is that already meant to be the case? Isn't that Ricky Martin's job now?
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Post by andromeda on Feb 5, 2024 9:19:36 GMT
Everyone blaming John Coates needs to look at the Coates family during their whole time at the Club. Their record of senior appointments is abysmal over 40 years. Other than Lou Macari, Tony Pulis and Tony Scholes (who clearly wasn’t perfect) that’s a succession of terrible people at the top of the Club. If people think Richard Smith is the answer as well, they don’t know the question. He seems like a decent person but every project over the last few years have not exactly been exciting or ambitious. Just symptomatic of a safe option.
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Post by flea79 on Feb 5, 2024 9:21:47 GMT
what game we getting on the pitch too protest then?
i want a repeat of birmingham at home in 97-98 again!
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Post by stokiejoe on Feb 5, 2024 9:23:45 GMT
He keeps getting bamboozeled by poor people at the top of the football side IMO. Tricky. The managers, although I still hope SS is the right choice, purely by chance. Or maybe I'm just impatient. It's a problem for any manager coming in in December with little chance of recruitment. A bit like poker, you can only play the hand you are dealt. For me there have been signs of improvement of attitude on the pitch, Leicester being the exception as we looked defeated from the first goal. SS has had only 47 days in total, most management theories talk about making changes in the first 100 days,let's give him a little longer before we judge.
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Post by anchorman on Feb 5, 2024 9:23:50 GMT
I think JC holding the purse strings and in post remains our best option. Any other realistic options are worse. Just have to hope he flukes it and finally gets the right team in post. A stopped clock is right twice a day. The best option is JC remaining as Chairman in name only, and get professional’s in to run the club with the financial backing of the Coates family. He’s not flunking anything any time soon.
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Post by moon on Feb 5, 2024 9:25:46 GMT
I think I'm actually ready to go down. I loved that period last time. I don't think I can take much more of this shite. I enjoyed our time in what was division 2, I'd rather those days stayed in the past though. We'd likely end up mid table and be stuck there for 3-5 years.
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Post by andromeda on Feb 5, 2024 9:27:30 GMT
I think JC holding the purse strings and in post remains our best option. Any other realistic options are worse. Just have to hope he flukes it and finally gets the right team in post. A stopped clock is right twice a day. The best option is JC remaining as Chairman in name only, and get professional’s in to run the club with the financial backing of the Coates family. He’s not flunking anything any time soon. This is the right answer but can you trust them to get that right? Tricky Ricky and Simple Simon have not exactly transformed us in the right direction. Just another pair of incompetent people at the top of the Club. Get in a Chief Exec and Director of Football that has worked at the top level at a decent Club. We have the money to pay these people so why don’t we?
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Post by mamathestriker on Feb 5, 2024 9:31:07 GMT
The best option is JC remaining as Chairman in name only, and get professional’s in to run the club with the financial backing of the Coates family. He’s not flunking anything any time soon. This is the right answer but can you trust them to get that right? Tricky Ricky and Simple Simon have not exactly transformed us in the right direction. Just another pair of incompetent people at the top of the Club. Get in a Chief Exec and Director of Football that has worked at the top level at a decent Club. We have the money to pay these people so why don’t we? Hasn't Simon King disbanded the Supporters Forum? Surprised more wasn't made of that at the time!
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Post by chiswickpotter on Feb 5, 2024 9:32:05 GMT
Another one blaming the fans. Get to fuck. 6 home wins last season, 4 so far this season scoring 11 goals since the opening day and no win in over 100 days. Whilst we see Luton, Plymouth and Ipswich come sailing past us from the league below. But the fans expect too much? Fuck off. Intersting that you are complaining about results last season and this one.The club had a good manager who got 60 and 62 points in his 2 full seasons,with no money and FFP problems. At the same time he was having to cut the wage bill to a third of what it was, and cope with a crippling injuries list. But a lot of silly people on here couldn't wait to replace him. Some even went so far as to suggest that AN saved us from relegation last season. When I asked them if they wanted to let him repeat the trick this year, they went very quiet. There are no magic wands in football and teams have to be built not glued together. It takes time and it is more difficult now than it ever was, as Vultures are only waiting to pounce on any decent player you do have. What is most disappointing, is the fact that this is the first time in many years that we could spend some money and put in place the foundations of a good team. We have thrown that opportunity away for the moment. Managers need time. Some very reasonable points there about MON, and I believe he has been our best manager since relegation for how he balanced on and off the pitch. However, having messed up with Doughty and Clarke, he then decided to build a squad for 5-3-2 and went for Flint and Gayle. It wasn’t obvious he could go further and stability isn’t the requirement, attractive as it now seems. The worry is we have made a Jones like hire with a promising manager not yet having the experience to manage a large squad still trying to find a pattern. Let’s hope not
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Post by stokiesteve on Feb 5, 2024 9:40:49 GMT
We all turn up.
We stand united behind a common cause ie getting back up again.
We stop bickering.
We support the team.
We have a few jars and make up goofy songs circa 1993
The club finds itself again.
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Post by chamberlain on Feb 5, 2024 9:47:18 GMT
We’re in the thick of one of the worst series of league finishes in the club’s history, beaten only by.. err, the same people, thirty years ago. And if the fans dare to criticise this we’re “entitled”. Brilliant I understand your frustration but I never said that criticism of our present situation is not merited. I was speaking of our fans who think that we would be an established Premier Club if it wasn't for those nasty stupid owners we have. I'd settle for scoring a goal now and then and being mid table,surely not that ambitious .
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Post by Squeekster on Feb 5, 2024 9:51:35 GMT
We all go down and get pissed on the ale?
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 5, 2024 9:54:22 GMT
Perhaps they would sell/give the club away to the fans and let them see how easy it is to run a club. Or they might sell it to anyone else who is interested. I imagine that they are sick of the constant moaning from people on this site, who think that it's a simple job to make a success of running a club. We are on our 5/6 manager since being relegated 6 years ago, yet there are lots of people complaining that we don't get rid of managers quickly enough. The sense of entitlement among some of our fans is sickening. Whatever manager is flavour of the month should be signed immediately. We have had Potter and now Nuno Espírito Santo mentioned and any nameless foreign manager, all of who will wave a magic wand and get us promoted. I just hope that we stay up. Keep doffing that cap.
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Post by baconburger on Feb 5, 2024 9:55:05 GMT
By “the family”, you mean Peter. Denise has never been part of it and doesn’t give a monkey’s, and PC isn’t going to get himself back involved now, at 108 or whatever he is. So we’re dopey John’s plaything for the foreseeable, whatever depths he manages to drag us down to Richard Smith is on the board, his brother in law. It’s still the family’s money he’s pissing down the drain. If he oversees relegation to the third tier, I’m not sure how much that would cost but I can imagine it’ll be a pretty penny of their money. People who post such nonsense say JC is stupid then go on to prove their own stupidity by thinking his wealth and ability to control SCFC is something the family (Denise) can just take away from him . I’ve no idea whether he is or isn’t stupid but he’s a multi billionaire and major shareholder in bet365, he legally owns a huge chunk of that company it can’t legally be taken from him like taking a toy off a child. He’s A. able to sell off as much or as little of his bet365 holding to fund the club Chelsea/Man City style should he so wish. B. Be able to fund the club from his directors salary and dividends from bet365 quite comfortably to the level of allowed FFP losses without divesting his holding. He could buy and sell his Dad several times over who also is a billionaire and doesn’t need Denise’s permission to do anything with it that he chooses.
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Feb 5, 2024 10:00:27 GMT
Yeah getting grubbed every week by the likes of vale crewe Fleetwood etc... what makes anyone think it would be any easier 😕🙄🙄
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on Feb 5, 2024 10:02:15 GMT
I understand your frustration but I never said that criticism of our present situation is not merited. I was speaking of our fans who think that we would be an established Premier Club if it wasn't for those nasty stupid owners we have. The very thing that is frustrating is that we should be an established Premier League club *because* of the owners we have - passionate local fans who genuinely care, and who also happen to be fucking filthy rich. We absolutely should be a permanent fixture in the top half of the PL, getting to cup semis/finals etc. And yet. They persist in making such a horrendous mess of it that it’s not at all unreasonable to think we’d be better off taking our chances without them. It’s really quite tragic. This. If someone could be arsed to plot an 'owners wealth vs last 7 years average league position' graph and publish it on here, it would make for appalling reading.
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