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Post by independent on Jan 22, 2024 14:16:24 GMT
The WSL is now at the half-way stage after 66 games played. Has anyone noticed any mention of the fact that 20 of those games had less than 2,000 fans at them. Anyone have attendance figures for West ham v Spurs or Leicester v Villa at the weekend. Leicester were going for their 3rd in a row crowd of under 2,000 and they play all their home games in the King Power Stadium.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 22, 2024 14:22:00 GMT
Full house at The Emirates today..... Wonder what they made on tickets? It’s great selling out but they also need to make enough to finance the side don’t they? Do they? Their men’s team don’t make any money and run in the negatives: www.arsenaltrust.org/feed/afc-finances/2023/AST-finances-2021to2023Football is a terrible business to make money from.
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Post by a on Jan 22, 2024 14:38:48 GMT
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 22, 2024 15:22:58 GMT
So, Arsenal themselves released a statement saying that they lost £45 million in 2022: www.arsenal.com/news/financial-results-202122While their revenue may be great, they get screwed by ludicrous player wages and transfer fees. According to the Athletic, even Man City only made £40 million profit. That’s despite money for the league and the Champions League.
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Post by a on Jan 22, 2024 15:36:51 GMT
So, Arsenal themselves released a statement saying that they lost £45 million in 2022: www.arsenal.com/news/financial-results-202122While their revenue may be great, they get screwed by ludicrous player wages and transfer fees. According to the Athletic, even Man City only made £40 million profit. That’s despite money for the league and the Champions League. I dunno then pal, I just know the TV money is a huge part of their income. If the women's game (and I’m not trying to make a justification for the disparity) expects to pay anything like the wages then there needs to be the demand in order to attract similar revenue.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 22, 2024 15:50:59 GMT
So, Arsenal themselves released a statement saying that they lost £45 million in 2022: www.arsenal.com/news/financial-results-202122While their revenue may be great, they get screwed by ludicrous player wages and transfer fees. According to the Athletic, even Man City only made £40 million profit. That’s despite money for the league and the Champions League. I dunno then pal, I just know the TV money is a huge part of their income. If the women's game (and I’m not trying to make a justification for the disparity) expects to pay anything like the wages then there needs to be the demand in order to attract similar revenue. Oh, they would be mad to pay similar wages. In the entertainment industry, people should be paid based on viewership (or expected viewership). Women don’t get close. My argument was more that few men’s teams make profit, so it’s unrealistic for women’s teams to do so either. I think that I perhaps joined in half way through a running conversation 😂
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Post by UNKLE on Jan 22, 2024 17:13:21 GMT
The WSL is now at the half-way stage after 66 games played. Has anyone noticed any mention of the fact that 20 of those games had less than 2,000 fans at them. Anyone have attendance figures for West ham v Spurs or Leicester v Villa at the weekend. Leicester were going for their 3rd in a row crowd of under 2,000 and they play all their home games in the King Power Stadium. There looks a big difference in attendances between Arsenal, Man U Chelsea and the rest. www.footballwebpages.co.uk/womens-super-league/attendancesTV games aside the fixtures are often on a Friday night which isn’t great for school aged kids etc, and getting there for 7.15 ko. I think generally the attendances have been pretty good. It’s a relatively new model and you haven’t necessarily got the tribal following of the men’s game. My daughters an England fan and not an Arsenal fan but likes Mead and Russo, Kelly at Man City etc.
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Jan 22, 2024 18:15:13 GMT
The WSL is now at the half-way stage after 66 games played. Has anyone noticed any mention of the fact that 20 of those games had less than 2,000 fans at them. Anyone have attendance figures for West ham v Spurs or Leicester v Villa at the weekend. Leicester were going for their 3rd in a row crowd of under 2,000 and they play all their home games in the King Power Stadium. Played at burton this one was.
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Post by independent on Jan 22, 2024 18:57:05 GMT
What must be worrying for Arsenal is that they played 3 home games at the Emirates Stadium: Oct 2 - Arsenal v Liverpool, 54,115 Oct 15: Arsenal vs Aston Villa, 35,829 Dec 10: Arsenal vs Chelsea, 59,042 Yet they couldn't fill Meadow Park (capacity 4,500) Nov 5: Arsenal vs Man City, Attendance: 3,453 Nov 26: Arsenal vs West Ham, Attendance: 3,686 Sun Jan 20: Arsenal vs Everton, Attendance 3,713. Hopefully, the lack of seating is responsible.
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Post by independent on Jan 22, 2024 19:06:27 GMT
The WSL is now at the half-way stage after 66 games played. Has anyone noticed any mention of the fact that 20 of those games had less than 2,000 fans at them. Anyone have attendance figures for West ham v Spurs or Leicester v Villa at the weekend. Leicester were going for their 3rd in a row crowd of under 2,000 and they play all their home games in the King Power Stadium. Played at burton this one was. Thanks for the info. Possibly because it was a Friday night Fixture, but Leicester men aren't playing till tonight. attendance: 1,064.
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Jan 22, 2024 19:30:02 GMT
Played at burton this one was. Thanks for the info. Possibly because it was a Friday night Fixture, but Leicester men aren't playing till tonight. Any idea of the attendance? 1.064
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Post by a on Jan 22, 2024 20:49:31 GMT
I dunno then pal, I just know the TV money is a huge part of their income. If the women's game (and I’m not trying to make a justification for the disparity) expects to pay anything like the wages then there needs to be the demand in order to attract similar revenue. Oh, they would be mad to pay similar wages. In the entertainment industry, people should be paid based on viewership (or expected viewership). Women don’t get close. My argument was more that few men’s teams make profit, so it’s unrealistic for women’s teams to do so either. I think that I perhaps joined in half way through a running conversation 😂 I understand your point, I’m far from an expert on footy finances to be fair and yea the women’s game is a million miles away from the money the men’s game attracts. I was wondering if they should charge more at games to cover costs but that would certainly be counter productive as the quality isn’t good enough to attract full-price paying fans. It’s come on a lot though and fair play to them without being condescending they’ve come on a lot, just a long way still to go
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Post by independent on Jan 22, 2024 22:37:09 GMT
Thanks for the info. Possibly because it was a Friday night Fixture, but Leicester men aren't playing till tonight. Any idea of the attendance? 1.064 Thanks. Friday night in a strange ground, that's not a bad attendance.
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Post by apb1 on Jan 22, 2024 23:22:12 GMT
What must be worrying for Arsenal is that they played 3 home games at the Emirates Stadium: Oct 2 - Arsenal v Liverpool, 54,115 Oct 15: Arsenal vs Aston Villa, 35,829 Dec 10: Arsenal vs Chelsea, 59,042 Yet they couldn't fill Meadow Park (capacity 4,500) Nov 5: Arsenal vs Man City, Attendance: 3,453 Nov 26: Arsenal vs West Ham, Attendance: 3,686 Sun Jan 20: Arsenal vs Everton, Attendance 3,713. Hopefully, the lack of seating is responsible. Meadow Park is tiny. Also a lot of fans will buy a season ticket then maybe go to 75% of the games. Not like us 🤔 😂
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Post by wazbagsbro on Jan 23, 2024 1:15:01 GMT
I was informed by virgin that my monthly bill was going up from £90 per month to £120 per month in the next couple of weeks. I have decided to reduce my package, which wasn’t easy and was asked for the reason why. Truthfully I’m sick and tired of listening to how the top six are doing, how fit their players are, how well they played over the last year, 2 years, 5 years, 10 years, 20 years ect, ect, . Now it’s 50% womens top 6 , who the womens best players are, who’s the leading scorer, how many sisters have they got, what’s their favourite colour, what do they do in their spare time, ect. Stoke are rarely on as we arnt near the top, if it’s on red button the quality is shit. The commentators are often women now which I don’t notice until they are crap at the job, which is fairly often. Not only that but the BBC are now regularly showing womens top 6 football so why should I pay Virgin for the dis pleasure. So I’ve asked Virgin to remove all my packages and just keep the internet. Their price £69 per month. Fucking joke
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Post by wazbagsbro on Jan 23, 2024 1:19:29 GMT
I was informed by virgin that my monthly bill was going up from £90 per month to £120 per month in the next couple of weeks. I have decided to reduce my package, which wasn’t easy and was asked for the reason why. Truthfully I’m sick and tired of listening to how the top six are doing, how fit their players are, how well they played over the last year, 2 years, 5 years, 10 years, 20 years ect, ect, . Now it’s 50% womens top 6 , who the womens best players are, who’s the leading scorer, how many sisters have they got, what’s their favourite colour, what do they do in their spare time, ect. Stoke are rarely on as we arnt near the top, if it’s on red button the quality is shit. The commentators are often women now which I don’t notice until they are crap at the job, which is fairly often. Not only that but the BBC are now regularly showing womens top 6 football so why should I pay Virgin for the dis pleasure. So I’ve asked Virgin to remove all my packages and just keep the internet. Their price £69 per month. Fucking joke Oh yes, JoeyBarton is my cousin
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Post by noustie on Jan 23, 2024 9:12:45 GMT
Saw Bristol City are getting about 8k which is a tremendous effort and got be wondering what they're doing right. Even the clubs getting a couple of thousand is in line with teams like Ross County, Forrest Green and Sutton United - current WSL wages of £60 - £100k I bet would be in line with that type of clubs and if you'd asked women 10 year ago bet they'd have bit your hand off.
You can see how dodgy the finances are of even the massive clubs because if they fall out the champions league they're fucked really and need get back pronto or flog their best players. I bet scratch the surface on the finances and the blokes teams are help fund the WSL teams for ESG points and it'll be a tax dodge because the WSL side will be running at a loss. It's how far they're willing to go that'll ultimately decide how much a female player should be paid until the league can stand on its own feet.
I genuinely quite enjoyed the West Ham game Sunday night - the corner flags were at 45 degrees with the wind and they had a decent go at playing some football in the conditions. I've seem a dam sight worse!
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Post by independent on Jan 23, 2024 10:52:31 GMT
Saw Bristol City are getting about 8k which is a tremendous effort and got be wondering what they're doing right. Even the clubs getting a couple of thousand is in line with teams like Ross County, Forrest Green and Sutton United - current WSL wages of £60 - £100k I bet would be in line with that type of clubs and if you'd asked women 10 year ago bet they'd have bit your hand off. You can see how dodgy the finances are of even the massive clubs because if they fall out the champions league they're fucked really and need get back pronto or flog their best players. I bet scratch the surface on the finances and the blokes teams are help fund the WSL teams for ESG points and it'll be a tax dodge because the WSL side will be running at a loss. It's how far they're willing to go that'll ultimately decide how much a female player should be paid until the league can stand on its own feet. I genuinely quite enjoyed the West Ham game Sunday night - the corner flags were at 45 degrees with the wind and they had a decent go at playing some football in the conditions. I've seem a dam sight worse! Like the bigger clubs in the League they seem to be marketing their games against Utd.,Arsenal etc. very well. But even in their other games they have 2x 4,000 attendances, which is great. They were promoted last year, and they are on the bottom of the League but they certainly are a lesson for the likes of Everton and West Ham. They might still survive and the best of luck to them, they deserve it.
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Post by independent on Jan 23, 2024 11:05:11 GMT
I was informed by virgin that my monthly bill was going up from £90 per month to £120 per month in the next couple of weeks. I have decided to reduce my package, which wasn’t easy and was asked for the reason why. Truthfully I’m sick and tired of listening to how the top six are doing, how fit their players are, how well they played over the last year, 2 years, 5 years, 10 years, 20 years ect, ect, . Now it’s 50% womens top 6 , who the womens best players are, who’s the leading scorer, how many sisters have they got, what’s their favourite colour, what do they do in their spare time, ect. Stoke are rarely on as we arnt near the top, if it’s on red button the quality is shit. The commentators are often women now which I don’t notice until they are crap at the job, which is fairly often. Not only that but the BBC are now regularly showing womens top 6 football so why should I pay Virgin for the dis pleasure. So I’ve asked Virgin to remove all my packages and just keep the internet. Their price £69 per month. Fucking joke Oh yes, JoeyBarton is my cousin A bit harsh, it appears that he watches WSL on BBC. A lot of people think that Sky's offering has disimproved over the last few years with games on TNT, Premier, Channel 4 and Amazon etc. And the presentation certainly hasn't improved. It's all very strange. If the increase in the number of women on "Mens" football is meant to attract more Women viewers and is successful, then it would appear that this would do more damage than good for the WSL. As I say, very strange.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jan 23, 2024 11:32:19 GMT
What must be worrying for Arsenal is that they played 3 home games at the Emirates Stadium: Oct 2 - Arsenal v Liverpool, 54,115 Oct 15: Arsenal vs Aston Villa, 35,829 Dec 10: Arsenal vs Chelsea, 59,042 Yet they couldn't fill Meadow Park (capacity 4,500) Nov 5: Arsenal vs Man City, Attendance: 3,453 Nov 26: Arsenal vs West Ham, Attendance: 3,686 Sun Jan 20: Arsenal vs Everton, Attendance 3,713. Hopefully, the lack of seating is responsible. I suspect the appeal of the Emirates Stadium itself will be a big part of it. It's a 'destination' in it's own right and will attract people who just want to go for an evening out in a big London stadium. And comes with the prestige of also being the home of the Arsenal men's team and all the huge matches that have been hosted there over the years. While women's football is infinitely more popular than it used to be, it takes decades to develop the tribal like loyalty that there is in the men's game. It comes with history and tradition, rivalries etc and that naturally takes a long time to build up. So supporters of women's football tend to have a more casual, day tripping attitude who will turn up for the big games in the big stadiums but are far less likely to turn up for the unattractive games at a tinpot ground like Meadow Park. Overall considering the rapid growth over such a short space of time I think the attendances are pretty healthy and the regular weekly following will develop over time to a decent level.
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Post by noustie on Jan 23, 2024 11:45:08 GMT
Saw Bristol City are getting about 8k which is a tremendous effort and got be wondering what they're doing right. Even the clubs getting a couple of thousand is in line with teams like Ross County, Forrest Green and Sutton United - current WSL wages of £60 - £100k I bet would be in line with that type of clubs and if you'd asked women 10 year ago bet they'd have bit your hand off. You can see how dodgy the finances are of even the massive clubs because if they fall out the champions league they're fucked really and need get back pronto or flog their best players. I bet scratch the surface on the finances and the blokes teams are help fund the WSL teams for ESG points and it'll be a tax dodge because the WSL side will be running at a loss. It's how far they're willing to go that'll ultimately decide how much a female player should be paid until the league can stand on its own feet. I genuinely quite enjoyed the West Ham game Sunday night - the corner flags were at 45 degrees with the wind and they had a decent go at playing some football in the conditions. I've seem a dam sight worse! Like the bigger clubs in the League they seem to be marketing their games against Utd.,Arsenal etc. very well. But even in their other games they have 2x 4,000 attendances, which is great. They were promoted last year, and they are on the bottom of the League but they certainly are a lesson for the likes of Everton and West Ham. They might still survive and the best of luck to them, they deserve it. Wonder if it's because they've built up some affiliation with coming up through the Championship and trying to stay in the WSL rather than just being a bit plastic. Could see the appeal as a Bristol City fan watching 2 sides in the Championship who both have a chance of promotion. On the other hand if I was an Everton or West Ham side not sure I could be bothered watching a second side have no chance of winning the competition they're in. I think that's another issue the WSL will face - realistically Man City, Arsenal and Chelsea are going to win it with Man U having a go and Spurs flattering deceive. The rest start the season playing for fuck all other than avoiding relegation - in the blokes it's different because the affiliation has been built up so you can see why folk put up with it but in the women's can see why it is difficult to drum up interest in the also rans.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 8, 2024 14:25:21 GMT
This looks worth a watch, I'll be honest the story of this unofficial Women's World Cup had passed me by. The final in the Azteca was watched by 110,00 people........
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Post by davethebass on Mar 8, 2024 15:02:49 GMT
Good to know mate, nice one. I’ll write to Man Utd and Man City Women and make sure they’re in the loop….. Another "why come on a thread unless you've got something positive to say" post. He can post on here and tell us that he doesn't enjoy womens football if he wants, just like he can log onto a thread and talk about how wank Stoke have played at the weekend, just like you and everyone else has done. I hate all this "why post on a thread if you don't like the subject" bollocks, it's just that, bollocks. For the record, women's football is wank. I liked your post not because I think women's football's wank, I actually really like watching it, and more power to them I say. But I liked your post because I completely agree with you about anyone being free to post what they want to say on any thread. We've all got different opinions and we've got to respect that, and it's what makes boards like this so interesting.
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Post by davethebass on Mar 8, 2024 15:08:10 GMT
Another "why come on a thread unless you've got something positive to say" post. He can post on here and tell us that he doesn't enjoy womens football if he wants, just like he can log onto a thread and talk about how wank Stoke have played at the weekend, just like you and everyone else has done. I hate all this "why post on a thread if you don't like the subject" bollocks, it's just that, bollocks. For the record, women's football is wank. He can post what he wants, I can post what I want, you can post what you want (within the rules of the board of course). What’s your point? I think his point was, he thought the post was bollocks 😆 Personally, I didn't think it was bollocks, I thought it was quite funny 🤣
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Post by Los Alfareros on Mar 8, 2024 16:45:38 GMT
Apologies I have not read the 7 pages of this thread. One point, I am all for the women's game no problem at all, it looks like people enjoy the day and many girls in attendance probably without pissed up teenagers chucking beer over themselves. However, I am fighting for SKY to have a WSL channel, all to themselves. Then I won't have to get all fucking confused every day of the week when fixtures and results come up for WSL teams when I think its the mens teams. Fucking annoys me that.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 8, 2024 16:57:03 GMT
This looks worth a watch, I'll be honest the story of this unofficial Women's World Cup had passed me by. The final in the Azteca was watched by 110,00 people........ Looks like Alan Ball to me
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Post by davethebass on Mar 8, 2024 22:24:37 GMT
Crowds over 50,000 were attracted to women’s football in the 1920s. The task faced is to keep all of these new supporters once the novelty wears off. Women's football became hugely popular during WW1 when women worked in factories doing the men's jobs and started forming football teams. They played in the men's grounds and ended up attracting crowds bigger on average than the men had ever attracted. They played a huge part in growing not just the women's game, but the game itself. It's been said that the women's game getting so popular put some men's noses out of joint, and that's why the women's game was banned. It wasn't that the novelty wore off. They were banned. It was a massive injustice. Those women deserve way more credit and recognition than what they get, for what they did to help grow the sport of football. Not just women's football. But football. We owe them.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 16, 2024 20:14:51 GMT
Not a great look for the club this.....
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 16, 2024 20:17:58 GMT
Not a great look for the club this..... I’m no fan of womens football but that’s shocking tbf. I hope she gets the help she needs
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