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Post by hotterpotter on Nov 23, 2023 19:34:38 GMT
Men's football is wank a lot of the time to be fair.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 23, 2023 19:51:28 GMT
Men's football is wank a lot of the time to be fair. They are though capable of playing 90 minutes to a similar standard to the rest of the game. Womens football is like Sunday league. Knackered, just lump it up the pitch until the keeper makes an inevitable mistake😉
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Post by AlliG on Nov 23, 2023 20:07:57 GMT
Men's football is wank a lot of the time to be fair. They are though capable of playing 90 minutes to a similar standard to the rest of the game. Womens football is like Sunday league. Knackered, just lump it up the pitch until the keeper makes an inevitable mistake😉 Having watched a Stoke team that looks like it is running through treacle in the last 20 minutes of games fairly regularly since relegation, I am not sure I agree.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 23, 2023 20:09:12 GMT
They are though capable of playing 90 minutes to a similar standard to the rest of the game. Womens football is like Sunday league. Knackered, just lump it up the pitch until the keeper makes an inevitable mistake😉 Having watched a Stoke team that looks like it is running through treacle in the last 20 minutes of games fairly regularly since relegation, I am not sure I agree. No mate that’s 90 mins😉
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Post by hotterpotter on Nov 23, 2023 20:50:37 GMT
Men's football is wank a lot of the time to be fair. They are though capable of playing 90 minutes to a similar standard to the rest of the game. Womens football is like Sunday league. Knackered, just lump it up the pitch until the keeper makes an inevitable mistake😉 Hmmm true. I think my perception is skewed by the particular team I follow.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2023 7:45:16 GMT
It was Phil Neville. Can't believe you're actually being serious. Managing a national women's team to success is night and day different to managing the England mens team, the gulf in class and everything else that surrounds it, for example the pressure of the job, is on a different planet to what Wiegman has ever experienced. The FA would consider an application though. That's because they are idiots.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 24, 2023 8:25:50 GMT
The FA would consider an application though. That's because they are idiots. Nice rounded well informed conclusion
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2023 18:47:42 GMT
That's because they are idiots. Nice rounded well informed conclusion Thanks. Although everyone knows it so it's not exactly earth shattering information.
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Post by matelot1996 on Nov 25, 2023 2:36:47 GMT
1995 World Youth day in Manilla had 5 Million people. Not interested in that or any Womens Football. Unless my daughter is playing 😂
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Nov 25, 2023 7:53:27 GMT
I watched the Chelsea vs PSG womens champions league game the other night as there was no other footy on. Wasn't a bad game to be fair. But it proved the goals are too big for them as there were a couple of comedy lobs that a correct sized keeper for those goals would have easily saved. I also concluded my lads u14 side would probably have beaten either team quite comfortably.
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Post by stokienorthants on Nov 25, 2023 9:11:33 GMT
Stick a bloke in goal at both ends and every match would end 0-0. Well yeah. An average UK male was 5'9" in 2012, while an average woman was 5'1 1⁄2". When the goals are 22' wide and 8' tall, this means that the goals are almost 10% bigger for women than for men adjusted for height. If a male GK had the same size goal it would have been almost 24' x 8'8". I always said women should play on a slightly smaller pitch (90% size) and with slightly smaller goals. The football women's tough fightGoals are already 24’ wide!
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Post by march4 on Nov 25, 2023 11:59:55 GMT
Crowds over 50,000 were attracted to women’s football in the 1920s. The task faced is to keep all of these new supporters once the novelty wears off.
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Post by idle on Nov 25, 2023 21:35:14 GMT
Well yeah. An average UK male was 5'9" in 2012, while an average woman was 5'1 1⁄2". When the goals are 22' wide and 8' tall, this means that the goals are almost 10% bigger for women than for men adjusted for height. If a male GK had the same size goal it would have been almost 24' x 8'8". I always said women should play on a slightly smaller pitch (90% size) and with slightly smaller goals. The football women's tough fightGoals are already 24’ wide! Yeah, someone told me already
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Post by apb1 on Nov 25, 2023 22:09:51 GMT
Crowds over 50,000 were attracted to women’s football in the 1920s. The task faced is to keep all of these new supporters once the novelty wears off. We can only hope the FA doesn’t ban them from football grounds. Might make the experiment a bit more genuine. When Australian wine marketed itself back in the day they were very clear about aiming at people who didn’t like wine (yet) rather than know it alls who would look down their noses at anything different as being inferior. I feel the success of the women’s game will not depend on convincing the average football-loving bloke of its quality, but on opening up new markets, people who never would have got into playing and watching football but who now feel like they have a sport to call their own. This isn’t to say that there will be people who like both, and I’m one of them. The women’s euros here was mint and among the best footie experiences I’ve had (low bar being a Potter tbf). However, the exponential growth in women and girls playing football is in my opinion a useful metric for its future stability. And if the tickets are a few quid cheaper, bring it on.
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Post by march4 on Nov 26, 2023 10:00:01 GMT
Crowds over 50,000 were attracted to women’s football in the 1920s. The task faced is to keep all of these new supporters once the novelty wears off. We can only hope the FA doesn’t ban them from football grounds. Might make the experiment a bit more genuine. When Australian wine marketed itself back in the day they were very clear about aiming at people who didn’t like wine (yet) rather than know it alls who would look down their noses at anything different as being inferior. I feel the success of the women’s game will not depend on convincing the average football-loving bloke of its quality, but on opening up new markets, people who never would have got into playing and watching football but who now feel like they have a sport to call their own. This isn’t to say that there will be people who like both, and I’m one of them. The women’s euros here was mint and among the best footie experiences I’ve had (low bar being a Potter tbf). However, the exponential growth in women and girls playing football is in my opinion a useful metric for its future stability. And if the tickets are a few quid cheaper, bring it on. I agree. Lovers of the men’s game are not going to be the audience for women’s football. This is an opportunity to build a new sport with a new set of fans.
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Post by independent on Nov 26, 2023 14:54:32 GMT
I think you have spotted a gap in the market, The question is: Is there a market in the gap. I don't think so. I think that they need the male fans. Ideally the men would attend the mens' game one weekend and the womens' game the next. The problem with that is that there is too much football already and would the Women's match clash with the Mens' away game.
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Post by hoppo96 on Nov 26, 2023 16:17:49 GMT
Stick a bloke in goal at both ends and every match would end 0-0. it's a good thing they have female goalkeepers in the *women*'s game then.
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Post by hoppo96 on Nov 26, 2023 16:19:57 GMT
It has a market and should be allowed to grow on its own terms, with help from the men's game.
The only people really opposed to it are the sort who are terrified at the possibility of women attending football matches...
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Post by noustie on Nov 27, 2023 12:40:19 GMT
This is an interesting article following the weekend: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67538824Basically they've had the chance to start from almost a fresh and not make some of the mistakes the blokes have made. Instead they're repeating exactly the same model with 4 teams having massively more resource than anyone else so competition is restricted to a shoot out between the top couple of sides and everyone else merely makes up the numbers. For me, I get the impression, maybe understandably, those in it now want it to be as lucrative as possible for themselves rather than looking at how this might impact growth longer term. There's no way I'd spend my Saturday watching Dundee United make up the numbers when they get back in the SPL and the Premier League bores the shit out of me without us in it and it was becoming stale by the time we got relegated anyway. Wouldn't really bother me the price either but wouldn't waste my time watching Dundee United ladies getting absolutely horsed by the big three up here or if Stoke were in the WSL either. Competition is absolutely shit without uncertainty but business/ making dosh relies on it so not really sure how to get around it. Especially when the WSL is losing players to Barca (p34 w33) and Real Madrid playing catch-up.
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Post by apb1 on Nov 27, 2023 12:50:46 GMT
I think you have spotted a gap in the market, The question is: Is there a market in the gap. I don't think so. I think that they need the male fans. Ideally the men would attend the mens' game one weekend and the womens' game the next. The problem with that is that there is too much football already and would the Women's match clash with the Mens' away game. There is already a market. Attendances are growing albeit inconsistently. I also think it's wrong to say ONLY new fans will go. I'll happily watch a women's game too, as will others. You see quite a lot of couples too. Tickets being cheap helps. But for the growth to sustain it needs a high percentage of new fans switching on. The number PLAYING is much higher - www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/dec/08/100000-more-girls-playing-football-in-england-as-activity-levels-rebound - and if people are playing they want role models, which feeds a virtuous circle. Noustie makes some great points re the dangers of duplicating big four or six nonsense in the women's game though. It's happened and it sucks, in both women's and men's football. No chance of it changing apart from Newcastle or similar getting filthy money to allow them to compete. Depressing. However, at the moment there's still an accessibility to the stars at women's matches which is quite nice.
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Post by noustie on Nov 27, 2023 13:21:55 GMT
I think you have spotted a gap in the market, The question is: Is there a market in the gap. I don't think so. I think that they need the male fans. Ideally the men would attend the mens' game one weekend and the womens' game the next. The problem with that is that there is too much football already and would the Women's match clash with the Mens' away game. There is already a market. Attendances are growing albeit inconsistently. I also think it's wrong to say ONLY new fans will go. I'll happily watch a women's game too, as will others. You see quite a lot of couples too. Tickets being cheap helps. But for the growth to sustain it needs a high percentage of new fans switching on. The number PLAYING is much higher - www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/dec/08/100000-more-girls-playing-football-in-england-as-activity-levels-rebound - and if people are playing they want role models, which feeds a virtuous circle. Noustie makes some great points re the dangers of duplicating big four or six nonsense in the women's game though. It's happened and it sucks, in both women's and men's football. No chance of it changing apart from Newcastle or similar getting filthy money to allow them to compete. Depressing. However, at the moment there's still an accessibility to the stars at women's matches which is quite nice. Grass roots is defo growing massively up here - there was only 10,000 girls playing in 2016 and think it's up around 25k now with 30k+ hoped in next couple of years. Starting from a smaller base though as England in comparison has 860k girls so, all things being equal, Scotland should be around 80-90k as a proportion of population but funding will play a big part. One thing I did think surprising is we've only 60k lads playing up here which is another issue entirely as England are 2.5m according to the FA!!
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Post by independent on Nov 27, 2023 16:56:19 GMT
I think you have spotted a gap in the market, The question is: Is there a market in the gap. I don't think so. I think that they need the male fans. Ideally the men would attend the mens' game one weekend and the womens' game the next. The problem with that is that there is too much football already and would the Women's match clash with the Mens' away game. There is already a market. Attendances are growing albeit inconsistently. I also think it's wrong to say ONLY new fans will go. I'll happily watch a women's game too, as will others. You see quite a lot of couples too. Tickets being cheap helps. But for the growth to sustain it needs a high percentage of new fans switching on. The number PLAYING is much higher - www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/dec/08/100000-more-girls-playing-football-in-england-as-activity-levels-rebound - and if people are playing they want role models, which feeds a virtuous circle. Noustie makes some great points re the dangers of duplicating big four or six nonsense in the women's game though. It's happened and it sucks, in both women's and men's football. No chance of it changing apart from Newcastle or similar getting filthy money to allow them to compete. Depressing. However, at the moment there's still an accessibility to the stars at women's matches which is quite nice. Not sure that is true. They are artificially being inflated by allowing fans into Old Trafford for £15 and £7.50 for children, not to mention the freebies. How come in this soon to be £1billion pound business, attendance figures aren't even available for 3 of the 6 games played last weekend. That just shows how Professionally the game is run. Nov 26: Arsenal vs West Ham, Attendance: 3,686 Nov 26: Aston Villa vs Everton, Attendance: 4,203 played in Villa Park Nov 26: Bristol City vs Man Utd,Attendance: 14,138 Played in Ashton Gate Stadium Nov 26: Chelsea vs Leicester, Not Available Nov 26: Liverpool vs Brighton, Not Available Nov 26: Man City vs Tottenham, Not Available
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 27, 2023 17:09:19 GMT
There is already a market. Attendances are growing albeit inconsistently. I also think it's wrong to say ONLY new fans will go. I'll happily watch a women's game too, as will others. You see quite a lot of couples too. Tickets being cheap helps. But for the growth to sustain it needs a high percentage of new fans switching on. The number PLAYING is much higher - www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/dec/08/100000-more-girls-playing-football-in-england-as-activity-levels-rebound - and if people are playing they want role models, which feeds a virtuous circle. Noustie makes some great points re the dangers of duplicating big four or six nonsense in the women's game though. It's happened and it sucks, in both women's and men's football. No chance of it changing apart from Newcastle or similar getting filthy money to allow them to compete. Depressing. However, at the moment there's still an accessibility to the stars at women's matches which is quite nice. Not sure that is true. They are artificially being inflated by allowing fans into Old Trafford for £15 and £7.50 for children, not to mention the freebies. How come in this soon to be £1billion pound business, attendance figures aren't even available for 3 of the 6 games played last weekend. That just shows how Professionally the game is run. Nov 26: Arsenal vs West Ham, Attendance: 3,686 Nov 26: Aston Villa vs Everton, Attendance: 4,203 played in Villa Park Nov 26: Bristol City vs Man Utd,Attendance: 14,138 Played in Ashton Gate Stadium Nov 26: Chelsea vs Leicester, Not Available 2,558Nov 26: Liverpool vs Brighton, Not Available 1,344Nov 26: Man City vs Tottenham, Not Available 2,134
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Post by independent on Nov 27, 2023 17:13:01 GMT
Thanks a million. I searched last night and couldn't find them anywhere. I presume they were only put up this morning. By the way,where did you find them?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 27, 2023 17:29:25 GMT
Thanks a million. I searched last night and couldn't find them anywhere. I presume they were only put up this morning. By the way,where did you find them? www.footballwebpages.co.uk/
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Post by independent on Nov 27, 2023 17:45:13 GMT
Thanks again.
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Post by felonious on Nov 27, 2023 17:54:56 GMT
I think you have spotted a gap in the market, The question is: Is there a market in the gap. I don't think so. I think that they need the male fans. Ideally the men would attend the mens' game one weekend and the womens' game the next. The problem with that is that there is too much football already and would the Women's match clash with the Mens' away game. There is already a market. Attendances are growing albeit inconsistently. I also think it's wrong to say ONLY new fans will go. I'll happily watch a women's game too, as will others. You see quite a lot of couples too. Tickets being cheap helps. But for the growth to sustain it needs a high percentage of new fans switching on. The number PLAYING is much higher - www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/dec/08/100000-more-girls-playing-football-in-england-as-activity-levels-rebound - and if people are playing they want role models, which feeds a virtuous circle. Noustie makes some great points re the dangers of duplicating big four or six nonsense in the women's game though. It's happened and it sucks, in both women's and men's football. No chance of it changing apart from Newcastle or similar getting filthy money to allow them to compete. Depressing. However, at the moment there's still an accessibility to the stars at women's matches which is quite nice. Wasn't the writing on the wall at the time Doncaster Belles were demoted. www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/a-disgrace-remembering-doncaster-rovers-belles-wsl-demotion-10-years-on-4120178
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Post by independent on Nov 27, 2023 23:56:52 GMT
I think you have spotted a gap in the market, The question is: Is there a market in the gap. I don't think so. I think that they need the male fans. Ideally the men would attend the mens' game one weekend and the womens' game the next. The problem with that is that there is too much football already and would the Women's match clash with the Mens' away game. There is already a market. Attendances are growing albeit inconsistently. I also think it's wrong to say ONLY new fans will go. I'll happily watch a women's game too, as will others. You see quite a lot of couples too. Tickets being cheap helps. But for the growth to sustain it needs a high percentage of new fans switching on. The number PLAYING is much higher - www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/dec/08/100000-more-girls-playing-football-in-england-as-activity-levels-rebound - and if people are playing they want role models, which feeds a virtuous circle. Noustie makes some great points re the dangers of duplicating big four or six nonsense in the women's game though. It's happened and it sucks, in both women's and men's football. No chance of it changing apart from Newcastle or similar getting filthy money to allow them to compete. Depressing. However, at the moment there's still an accessibility to the stars at women's matches which is quite nice.If that is part of the appeal, then it is also part of the problem they face.
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Post by cvillestokie on Nov 28, 2023 0:33:54 GMT
Men's football is wank a lot of the time to be fair. They are though capable of playing 90 minutes to a similar standard to the rest of the game. Womens football is like Sunday league. Knackered, just lump it up the pitch until the keeper makes an inevitable mistake😉 Are we talking about women’s football or Stoke vs Blackburn?
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Post by cvillestokie on Nov 28, 2023 0:41:23 GMT
I think you have spotted a gap in the market, The question is: Is there a market in the gap. I don't think so. I think that they need the male fans. Ideally the men would attend the mens' game one weekend and the womens' game the next. The problem with that is that there is too much football already and would the Women's match clash with the Mens' away game. If more and more children see football on tv and see their parents enjoying it, more and more children will see it as something interesting to try out. Women’s football is probably about a generation away. It’s not going to progress without support in the short term. The financial gains for companies like Sky could be very high, which is the only reason that they care. Kids often gravitate to the hobbies of their parents. Stoke is in the blood. While you haven’t been disparaging here, I find it very confusing why anyone would be disparaging of women’s football. Talking down on it is habit forming and for kids, that could just paint the whole thing in a negative light that reduces participation in the future. If I had a daughter, I’d be talking up women’s football all day. I can’t imagine anything better than sitting down with your child and watching football together, or going to the park with them for a kick about.
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