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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 4, 2022 14:00:44 GMT
It’s a bit different for AN. He didn’t spend 2 and a half years building the squad. Having said that, Clucas and Flint should be nowhere near the starting 11, that is on AN. Hopefully it won’t happen again Most on here, including Alex Neil in his interview, said that we have a squad which can challenge for the playoffs. And I agree. There are numerous threads from the last few weeks saying this exact message. Here's one - oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/305258/mon-toolsThis is a playoff capable squad but if you play your best striker and top goalscorer as a RWB then what do you expect. Whilst on paper we look to have a good squad but I’m afraid we have been left without a team thanks to your beloved.
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Post by OldStokie on Sept 4, 2022 14:03:07 GMT
To answer the OP, if MON had selected those players and played them in the positions that AN did then he would, rightly, have been slaughtered on here. But to put it into perspective, it wasn't actually the crazy team formation he selected that lost us the game... it was a brain dead piece of 'keeping by Bonham and a stupid foul by Wilmot that cost us. As AN has said during the week, nogger is a simple game where you just do things right and go from there. Today we didn't do things right and we certainly didn't do the simple things.
OS.
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Post by gawa on Sept 4, 2022 14:03:49 GMT
Most on here, including Alex Neil in his interview, said that we have a squad which can challenge for the playoffs. And I agree. There are numerous threads from the last few weeks saying this exact message. Here's one - oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/305258/mon-toolsThis is a playoff capable squad but if you play your best striker and top goalscorer as a RWB then what do you expect. Whilst on paper we look to have a good squad but I’m afraid we have been left without a team thanks to your beloved. I'll tell you now that my long term partner Paige is not responsible for this in any way. And she's also not responsible for playing Brown at RWB. Maybe Pep will play Haaland there next week.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Sept 4, 2022 14:03:49 GMT
The squad obviously isn't as good as the paperwork suggests!!!
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 4, 2022 14:06:38 GMT
He did. But this squad isn’t suited to anything and that’s on MON. The transfer window just gone was a disaster. There were other options available - Wilmot, Flint and Taylor with wing backs Fosu and Fox. We now know Fosu can't play on the left but surely should have been obvious in training and we all know Fox can play full back best then wing back and as a desperate last option centre back. Hopefully he now knows dropping Taylor is a non starter. He improved us straight away with his fight and determination and we had a centre half who could carry the ball out. Had Wilmot been told not to as usually he's good at coming out of defence with the ball? And what has happened to Brown? Whatever you criticised him for it wasn't for a lack of effort and not giving 100% wherever he played even if it was at RWB. Playing him upfront at half time for either Campbell or Delap. Why leave Campbell on when he had Wright Phillips on the bench. Agree there are not many options at the moment but some of Neil's decisions today were bizarre.
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Post by scfcwebby on Sept 4, 2022 14:11:34 GMT
It's as if injuries to key players has an impact on the formation and starting XI. Strange to see some of the comments though. Those who say managers should be able to adapt are now suddenly filled with excuses for the manager. Michael O'Neill didn't play our top goalscorer and best striker at RWB... It's the shit show that your messiah left that's causing the issues
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Post by scfcwebby on Sept 4, 2022 14:13:51 GMT
That's always the way Haven't got a clue why we're winking at each other? Common courtesy? Edited for you
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Post by nickhfc on Sept 4, 2022 14:15:49 GMT
Didn’t see the game but followed the BBC match stats. Stoke had nearly 80% of the ball in 1st half; 40% in 2nd.
This suggests lack of fitness which has been mentioned on here many times.
Add to that two defensive howlers…
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 4, 2022 14:17:26 GMT
I'm not interested in an argument either so I'll leave you too it but don't let that put you off, if at first you don't succeed.......... For someone who isn’t interested you keep replying. But then I’ve seen your stamina for shoehorning criticisim of Jordan Thompson onto every thread repeatedly so I’m sure you have all day……. He’s had to find a replacement for Joe Allen to be fair to him.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Sept 4, 2022 14:17:34 GMT
He did. But this squad isn’t suited to anything and that’s on MON. The transfer window just gone was a disaster. There were other options available - Wilmot, Flint and Taylor with wing backs Fosu and Fox. We now know Fosu can't play on the left but surely should have been obvious in training and we all know Fox can play full back best then wing back and as a desperate last option centre back. Hopefully he now knows dropping Taylor is a non starter. He improved us straight away with his fight and determination and we had a centre half who could carry the ball out. Had Wilmot been told not to as usually he's good at coming out of defence with the ball? And what has happened to Brown? Whatever you criticised him for it wasn't for a lack of effort and not giving 100% wherever he played even if it was at RWB. Playing him upfront at half time for either Campbell or Delap. Why leave Campbell on when he had Wright Phillips on the bench. Agree there are not many options at the moment but some of Neil's decisions today were bizarre. He's only just walked into the conundrum that is the Stoke squad, made up by a certain ex-Northern Irish Manager!!! Now Neil needs at least 3 windows to bring in, and to get rid of some of the deadwood!!! We'd have been a third of the way there this season if only our superiors had acted sooner!!!
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Post by independent on Sept 4, 2022 14:34:36 GMT
As you say he's been here two mins and he's got to sort out the awful mess of a squad, there was always going to be some strange line ups and hopefully it'll settle down soon once he figures out what he's got. Its not his fault there's only one fullback in the squad or that all the midfielders are the same etc. Baker, Laurent,Powell,Smallbone,Thompson, Clucas,Fosu and Kilkenny are all the same????
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 4, 2022 14:37:20 GMT
It's as if injuries to key players has an impact on the formation and starting XI. Strange to see some of the comments though. Those who say managers should be able to adapt are now suddenly filled with excuses for the manager. Michael O'Neill didn't play our top goalscorer and best striker at RWB... It's the shit show that your messiah left that's causing the issues That and injuries to Clarke, Tymon and Laurent coupled with Powell, Souttar missing of course…….
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 4, 2022 14:37:52 GMT
As you say he's been here two mins and he's got to sort out the awful mess of a squad, there was always going to be some strange line ups and hopefully it'll settle down soon once he figures out what he's got. Its not his fault there's only one fullback in the squad or that all the midfielders are the same etc. Baker, Laurent,Powell,Smallbone,Thompson, Clucas,Fosu and Kilkenny are all the same???? Type yes, don't know enough about Kilkenny tbh but other than that none are really high energy players they all rely on that coming from other players. Powell can drive forward tbf but there isn't a balance in there. Fosu is a winger btw, I was more about central midfielders.
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Post by Silkystoke on Sept 4, 2022 14:40:26 GMT
I blame the Coates family full stop..!!! They sacked him 6 months too late, maybe 9 not sure..!!!! That team, as lost it’s confidence playing the Irish way..!!!! Fuckin toss
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Post by scfcwebby on Sept 4, 2022 14:44:01 GMT
It's the shit show that your messiah left that's causing the issues That and injuries to Clarke, Tymon and Laurent coupled with Powell, Souttar missing of course……. So the 2 wingbacks? The ONLY 2 wingbacks at the club? When the previous manager would ONLY play wingbacks? Who's fault is that?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 4, 2022 14:46:08 GMT
To answer the OP, if MON had selected those players and played them in the positions that AN did then he would, rightly, have been slaughtered on here. But to put it into perspective, it wasn't actually the crazy team formation he selected that lost us the game... it was a brain dead piece of 'keeping by Bonham and a stupid foul by Wilmot that cost us. As AN has said during the week, nogger is a simple game where you just do things right and go from there. Today we didn't do things right and we certainly didn't do the simple things. OS. It’s that simple you start by playing the players in their best positions he’s deflected the issue to the players post match when actually his performance set the stage for theirs he’s been diabolical both games so far
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Post by pavel on Sept 4, 2022 14:47:56 GMT
Ordinarily I wouldn't pass comment on a manager so soon as he is still finding his feet and has only had two minutes to work with the players, but genuinely I'm absolutely baffled by what I've just seen. If you look at it objectively, had MON presided over what we've all just watched then we would be absolutely slaughtering him on here - and rightly so... - Playing a stupid formation which doesn't suit us at all - Striker at RWB (and our top scorer last year) - RW at LWB - Clucas starting (what on earth is he doing in this team?) - Flint starting (might be on my own on this one, but I think he's atrocious) I see people defending him saying he's still figuring things out - but I'm sorry - anyone that's watched a Stoke game over the last year or two could have told you that it was a disaster waiting to happen today. If we don't have the players for it, don't play it. It's quite simple. We should have gone with a back four and be a little more pragmatic at that end if he's not happy with his options there. Happy to give AN plenty of time but equally think we should acknowledge that he got pretty much everything wrong today. Sam Clucas. Sam fucking Clucas. actually think Niel lost about 50% of his gained credit today. Last game he gained a bit, this game it's almost at 0. Many more like that and we will obviously be pissed off and he can go the way of Oniel, shrug we know it won't happen for 2.5 more years 🤷♂️ 2 games and just 2 days training with the players, christ give the man some slack and let him have a bit of time to put his stamp on the team.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 4, 2022 14:49:03 GMT
We lost because of one collective fuck up by Wilmot, Bonham and Flint and a badly timed lunge by Wilmot with no actual contact. Blaming Neil for that is unfair. Blaming O'Neill is barking. Sod it - I blame Alan Ball.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 4, 2022 14:50:10 GMT
To answer the OP, if MON had selected those players and played them in the positions that AN did then he would, rightly, have been slaughtered on here. But to put it into perspective, it wasn't actually the crazy team formation he selected that lost us the game... it was a brain dead piece of 'keeping by Bonham and a stupid foul by Wilmot that cost us. As AN has said during the week, nogger is a simple game where you just do things right and go from there. Today we didn't do things right and we certainly didn't do the simple things. OS. Precisely this. People moaning about the set up when it wasn't that which lost us the game. 2 very basic, schoolboy errors. We have literally gift wrapped 2 goals there, they didn't really have any other chances. Without them idiotic errors we would have got at least a point and most people would have been pleased with that.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 4, 2022 15:01:48 GMT
That and injuries to Clarke, Tymon and Laurent coupled with Powell, Souttar missing of course……. So the 2 wingbacks? The ONLY 2 wingbacks at the club? When the previous manager would ONLY play wingbacks? Who's fault is that? The new manager played “wing backs” today didn’t he?
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Post by independent on Sept 4, 2022 15:03:10 GMT
Give the guy a chance.
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Post by scfcwebby on Sept 4, 2022 15:07:34 GMT
So the 2 wingbacks? The ONLY 2 wingbacks at the club? When the previous manager would ONLY play wingbacks? Who's fault is that? The new manager played “wing backs” today didn’t he? He did, but any formation he played would have seen players playing out of position. Can i just say at this point that Neil isn't completely without blame today, far from it, but he can't be blamed for the squad imbalance
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 4, 2022 15:07:39 GMT
To answer the OP, if MON had selected those players and played them in the positions that AN did then he would, rightly, have been slaughtered on here. But to put it into perspective, it wasn't actually the crazy team formation he selected that lost us the game... it was a brain dead piece of 'keeping by Bonham and a stupid foul by Wilmot that cost us. As AN has said during the week, nogger is a simple game where you just do things right and go from there. Today we didn't do things right and we certainly didn't do the simple things. OS. It’s that simple you start by playing the players in their best positions he’s deflected the issue to the players post match when actually his performance set the stage for theirs he’s been diabolical both games so far We don't have the players to play everyone in their best position, maybe when everyone is fit but not right now.
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Post by iglugluk on Sept 4, 2022 15:11:54 GMT
Unfortunately it kind of was O'Neill today.. the ghost of his 'rebuild' is in danger of haunting us for the next 4/5 months.. minimum
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 4, 2022 15:12:34 GMT
It’s that simple you start by playing the players in their best positions he’s deflected the issue to the players post match when actually his performance set the stage for theirs he’s been diabolical both games so far We don't have the players to play everyone in their best position, maybe when everyone is fit but not right now. We don’t have to play brown as a right wing bsvk fosu as a left wing back , baker as a holder fox as a left sided centre back its abject nonsense by a manager who suddenly seems to believe in anything but the blindingly obvious
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Post by kjpt140v on Sept 4, 2022 15:13:11 GMT
So, here we go the idiots are starting to bubble, not steaming yet, the manager is getting stick and soon our 'saviour' will have the moaners on his back. Only the second game and the moaners are warming up. Complaining about three at the back? What did you expect, that's how he lined Sunderland up against us a few weeks ago. Why did he play Brown as a wing back? He's obviously been advised by coaching staff. Why Clucas? Who else does he have to play on the left? I believe Alex Neill is willing to change things and that's a massive plus. He's quick to make substitutions and he's quick to drop players if need be. He isnt responsible for stupid decisions made by two of his players, he's been badly let down.I feel that we haven't got time to see how things go but we have to, the manager needs time to sort a squad that he has had not made a contribution to. We have the worst goalkeeping crisis since the days of Gordon Marshall and we just do not have players that fit properly in midfield or defence. Neil has a mountain to climb, he needs oxygen to get there, give it him.
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Post by thevoid on Sept 4, 2022 15:13:15 GMT
I don't get how players can be so unfit, fitness should be the bare minimum for a sportsman
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 4, 2022 15:13:55 GMT
It’s been an underwhelming start from Neil and he has definitely made some mistakes already.
Obviously he needs time and he has a proven track record, but he’s not made the instant impact I think some people thought he would.
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Post by thevoid on Sept 4, 2022 15:15:27 GMT
It’s been an underwhelming start from Neil and he has definitely made some mistakes already. Obviously he needs time and he has a proven track record, but he’s not made the instant impact I think some people thought he would. He's not been here a week. He's still getting used to what he has to work with
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 4, 2022 15:18:35 GMT
It’s been an underwhelming start from Neil and he has definitely made some mistakes already. Obviously he needs time and he has a proven track record, but he’s not made the instant impact I think some people thought he would. He's not been here a week. He's still getting used to what he has to work with Walking into this job must have been like starting your first shift as a firefighter and being given a squirty Lucozade bottle full of water and a pair of marigolds before being shoved into an oil rig fire and told to sort it out.
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