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Post by saltydog on Sept 4, 2022 13:22:11 GMT
AN can have all the “grace” period he likes if we play well, but how that team was set out, whether it’s his first game or 23rd game begged belief!?! I just didn’t get it. I’m sure he’ll get it right, as my only thoughts to why AN set the team up the way he did was to quash the voices in his head “what about brown as a right back?”, “smallbone could be the next xavi”, “Aden flint can defend”!!!
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Post by Billy the kid on Sept 4, 2022 13:23:02 GMT
That couldn't have been any more MON like if he tried.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 4, 2022 13:24:07 GMT
He did. But this squad isn’t suited to anything and that’s on MON. The transfer window just gone was a disaster. Yet you said it was one of the best squads in the division, I’m confused? I said that last season? The squad has changed a lot.. I’ve also said that 80 million times now 😂🤦♂️
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Post by questionable on Sept 4, 2022 13:24:25 GMT
MON has left us in a mess, we have been unlucky with injuries but ultimately the squad are nowhere near fit enough. The pre-season was a disaster, that's on both MON and the players themselves. They've been far too comfortable for too long. Just happy to settle for mediocrity. As a result we continue to go backwards. He should have gone at the end of last season that much was blindingly obvious. How long do we have to keep going over he’s inherited..... It doesn’t mean he has to play Brown and Fosu at WB’s it’s just plain shit management face it for what it is
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Post by stokie223 on Sept 4, 2022 13:24:58 GMT
What a witty and well thought out response! Thank you for your input. A lot more witty and thought out than your pathetic knee jerk reaction, which BTW you could easily have posted on the rate the manager thread instead of a look at me thread slating a manager that has been here less than a week. Gouranga. I wasn't rating the manager, hence the reason it wasn't on that thread. I wanted to have a conversation around the fact that I think he got everything wrong today, and if that was his predecessor then we'd all be going bananas. Perhaps it was wrong of me to expect healthy, adult debate and discussion from someone that signs their own messages off with 'Gouranga' ... Jesus
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 4, 2022 13:25:08 GMT
He did. But this squad isn’t suited to anything and that’s on MON. The transfer window just gone was a disaster. I completely agree in that sense. At the business end I think we have a couple of players that pretty much every team in the league would snap your hand off for, but the midfield is criminally unbalanced and we have only really got Tymon as a bona fide WB in a system which was holy reliant on them. Only real point is that I'm completely baffled that anyone that's watched us AT ALL in recent times would pick that team. I thought today was awful - that's on AN. Yeah it was mad. Keep with the back 4 that got you 4 points from 6 in the last 2 games.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 4, 2022 13:25:10 GMT
Yet you said it was one of the best squads in the division, I’m confused? I said that last season? The squad has changed a lot.. I’ve also said that 80 million times now 😂🤦♂️ Cheers for the reply Scooby. Hopefully Scrappy Doo will stand down now……
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 4, 2022 13:25:48 GMT
I said that last season? The squad has changed a lot.. I’ve also said that 80 million times now 😂🤦♂️ Cheers for the reply Scooby. Hopefully Scrappy Doo will stand down now…… What the fuck are you going on about.
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Post by mrrine on Sept 4, 2022 13:25:52 GMT
It looked like a team set up without knowledge of how Reading play. Played into their hands and why he played Brown where he did made no sense pre game and even less now. Think if we're being kind - the thought process was to counter the pace of Reading. It needs to never happen again.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Sept 4, 2022 13:26:33 GMT
It doesn't matter who is in charge.
Stoke will get nowhere playing with a back 3.
We need 3 upfront, 3 in the middle and a flat back 4. Most importantly, we need to be direct.
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Post by stokie223 on Sept 4, 2022 13:26:37 GMT
If that was MON today?? That was MON today! That’s his CB and GK dropping clangers 2 minutes into the game. That was MON’s creative Will Smallbone doing naff all all game. That was MON’s Sam Clucas - two year contract master class. That was MON’s LWB. Give Neil time. He’s got a decent squad. It’s just that about half the decent-ness is either coming back from injury or still weeks away. Completely agree, it was as though he's never watched us and just went with what had been on offer previously. Ultimately, however, he picks the team and he elected to play players out of position and play players which have no business being anywhere near the team...
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Post by biddulphchav on Sept 4, 2022 13:26:41 GMT
You cannot blame Neil for this shite. 1 - The Coates. MON should have been sacked 18 months ago, Then to give him the summer to build his own squad & sack him after 5 games is crazy! 2 - This is not Neil’s squad. Yes we have a good squad of players on paper, But Neil has come in at the end of the transfer window & is now stuck with no goalkeeper who is up to standard & a shocking defence. It’s not his squad for sure, and he’ll be given time to get it right, as he should be. But let’s be fair and judge what we see him actually do, fair to say today was shite. He had the tools to put in a better performance than that but he got the shape and staring line up way off, and didn’t improve it with his subs. So far, not a great start but he has plenty of time to improve, I’m sure he’ll have learned a lot today.
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Post by Squeekster on Sept 4, 2022 13:27:14 GMT
It's as if injuries to key players has an impact on the formation and starting XI. Strange to see some of the comments though. Those who say managers should be able to adapt are now suddenly filled with excuses for the manager. Michael O'Neill didn't play our top goalscorer and best striker at RWB... He's gone... He has and yet he's still to blame
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Post by stokie223 on Sept 4, 2022 13:27:18 GMT
MON has left us in a mess, we have been unlucky with injuries but ultimately the squad are nowhere near fit enough. The pre-season was a disaster, that's on both MON and the players themselves. They've been far too comfortable for too long. Just happy to settle for mediocrity. As a result we continue to go backwards. He should have gone at the end of last season that much was blindingly obvious. How long do we have to keep going over he’s inherited..... It doesn’t mean he has to play Brown and Fosu at WB’s it’s just plain shit management face it for what it is This is essentially my only point. Important to acknowledge he got it massively wrong.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Sept 4, 2022 13:27:57 GMT
Ordinarily I wouldn't pass comment on a manager so soon as he is still finding his feet and has only had two minutes to work with the players, but genuinely I'm absolutely baffled by what I've just seen. If you look at it objectively, had MON presided over what we've all just watched then we would be absolutely slaughtering him on here - and rightly so... - Playing a stupid formation which doesn't suit us at all - Striker at RWB (and our top scorer last year) - RW at LWB - Clucas starting (what on earth is he doing in this team?) - Flint starting (might be on my own on this one, but I think he's atrocious) I see people defending him saying he's still figuring things out - but I'm sorry - anyone that's watched a Stoke game over the last year or two could have told you that it was a disaster waiting to happen today. If we don't have the players for it, don't play it. It's quite simple. We should have gone with a back four and be a little more pragmatic at that end if he's not happy with his options there. Happy to give AN plenty of time but equally think we should acknowledge that he got pretty much everything wrong today. Sam Clucas. Sam fucking Clucas. Spot on. Nathan Jones is back! Settle in
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Sept 4, 2022 13:28:04 GMT
A lot more witty and thought out than your pathetic knee jerk reaction, which BTW you could easily have posted on the rate the manager thread instead of a look at me thread slating a manager that has been here less than a week. Gouranga. I wasn't rating the manager, hence the reason it wasn't on that thread. I wanted to have a conversation around the fact that I think he got everything wrong today, and if that was his predecessor then we'd all be going bananas. Perhaps it was wrong of me to expect healthy, adult debate and discussion from someone that signs their own messages off with 'Gouranga' ... Jesus So you were rating the manager on his performance today Gouranga.
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Post by stokie223 on Sept 4, 2022 13:28:26 GMT
I completely agree in that sense. At the business end I think we have a couple of players that pretty much every team in the league would snap your hand off for, but the midfield is criminally unbalanced and we have only really got Tymon as a bona fide WB in a system which was holy reliant on them. Only real point is that I'm completely baffled that anyone that's watched us AT ALL in recent times would pick that team. I thought today was awful - that's on AN. Yeah it was mad. Keep with the back 4 that got you 4 points from 6 in the last 2 games. Absolutely! His tenure is very much in its infancy but Stevie Wonder could have seen that coming today.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2022 13:28:50 GMT
You cannot blame Neil for this shite. 1 - The Coates. MON should have been sacked 18 months ago, Then to give him the summer to build his own squad & sack him after 5 games is crazy! 2 - This is not Neil’s squad. Yes we have a good squad of players on paper, But Neil has come in at the end of the transfer window & is now stuck with no goalkeeper who is up to standard & a shocking defence. The midfield is my biggest concern. I think he will eventually sort the back 4/5 but I have no idea how he makes a functioning midfield 3.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Sept 4, 2022 13:29:59 GMT
You cannot blame Neil for this shite. 1 - The Coates. MON should have been sacked 18 months ago, Then to give him the summer to build his own squad & sack him after 5 games is crazy! 2 - This is not Neil’s squad. Yes we have a good squad of players on paper, But Neil has come in at the end of the transfer window & is now stuck with no goalkeeper who is up to standard & a shocking defence. You’re so wrong. You absolutely can. This team selection was crazy at best. So many out of position. It simply didn’t need to happen.
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Post by theonlooker on Sept 4, 2022 13:30:10 GMT
He's gone... He has and yet he's still to blame That's always the way Haven't got a clue why we're winking at each other?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 4, 2022 13:31:32 GMT
It’s not an excuse but what’s our best side?
Bonham
Clarke Wilmot Soutter Tymon
Baker Laurent Powell
Delap Gayle
4 of them started today. As I said not an excuse but it is a factor. We had that lineup today and we’d have 3 points. With the exception of the strikers todays lineup was a massive downgrade. When you look at the options available to Neil i’m not sure that any of our fit players regardless of formation would improve us massively.
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Post by stokie223 on Sept 4, 2022 13:32:11 GMT
I wasn't rating the manager, hence the reason it wasn't on that thread. I wanted to have a conversation around the fact that I think he got everything wrong today, and if that was his predecessor then we'd all be going bananas. Perhaps it was wrong of me to expect healthy, adult debate and discussion from someone that signs their own messages off with 'Gouranga' ... Jesus So you were rating the manager on his performance today Gouranga. Rating 1 : a classification according to grade 2 : a score or measurement of how good or popular something is I didn't, at any point, give him a rating. Thank you, as always, for your input.
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Post by UsAndThem on Sept 4, 2022 13:32:12 GMT
It's as if injuries to key players has an impact on the formation and starting XI. Strange to see some of the comments though. Those who say managers should be able to adapt are now suddenly filled with excuses for the manager. Michael O'Neill didn't play our top goalscorer and best striker at RWB... It’s a bit different for AN. He didn’t spend 2 and a half years building the squad. Having said that, Clucas and Flint should be nowhere near the starting 11, that is on AN. Hopefully it won’t happen again
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Post by wuzza on Sept 4, 2022 13:34:31 GMT
In many ways it was MON today - the performance epitomised everything he has left . Having said that nothing Neil did worked either. Early days though.
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Post by gawa on Sept 4, 2022 13:35:06 GMT
It's as if injuries to key players has an impact on the formation and starting XI. Strange to see some of the comments though. Those who say managers should be able to adapt are now suddenly filled with excuses for the manager. Michael O'Neill didn't play our top goalscorer and best striker at RWB... It’s a bit different for AN. He didn’t spend 2 and a half years building the squad. Having said that, Clucas and Flint should be nowhere near the starting 11, that is on AN. Hopefully it won’t happen again Most on here, including Alex Neil in his interview, said that we have a squad which can challenge for the playoffs. And I agree. There are numerous threads from the last few weeks saying this exact message. Here's one - oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/305258/mon-toolsThis is a playoff capable squad but if you play your best striker and top goalscorer as a RWB then what do you expect.
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Post by Squeekster on Sept 4, 2022 13:37:26 GMT
He has and yet he's still to blame That's always the way Haven't got a clue why we're winking at each other? Common courtesy?
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Post by samuel32 on Sept 4, 2022 13:46:54 GMT
When Sky Sports put that team up, I told my wife they've got it wrong. There's no way we'd set out like that.
It's a slight on all of us when the manager has the ignorance to not play players in their correct position. It's fucking basics. What is Rory Delap doing? He's seen this for 3 years now. He knows our players strength and weaknesses, yet he either hasn't got the balls, the influence or the brains to make any difference whatsoever.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Sept 4, 2022 13:51:18 GMT
I completely agree in that sense. At the business end I think we have a couple of players that pretty much every team in the league would snap your hand off for, but the midfield is criminally unbalanced and we have only really got Tymon as a bona fide WB in a system which was holy reliant on them. Only real point is that I'm completely baffled that anyone that's watched us AT ALL in recent times would pick that team. I thought today was awful - that's on AN. Yeah it was mad. Keep with the back 4 that got you 4 points from 6 in the last 2 games. Even though it’s still far from ideal a back 4 with Wilmot at RB and Fox at LB is the best option until the injured players are available.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 4, 2022 13:58:26 GMT
Yeah it was mad. Keep with the back 4 that got you 4 points from 6 in the last 2 games. Even though it’s still far from ideal a back 4 with Wilmot at RB and Fox at LB is the best option until the injured players are available. I wonder if he’s considering the young left back we had from Chelsea with him travelling and training with the first team squad this weekend?
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Post by Rick Grimes on Sept 4, 2022 14:00:09 GMT
Even though it’s still far from ideal a back 4 with Wilmot at RB and Fox at LB is the best option until the injured players are available. I wonder if he’s considering the young left back we had from Chelsea with him travelling and training with the first team squad this weekend? You’d think so wouldn’t you.
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