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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 4, 2022 18:13:01 GMT
He did. But this squad isn’t suited to anything and that’s on MON. The transfer window just gone was a disaster. Neil needs to take responsibility for playing players well out of position, I know you weren’t there so let me assure you (as I was) that the intensity talked about isn’t there, we may have had lots of forwards on the pitch but they were not doing that job. Some were awful as well. I think you also thought it was ok against Swansea, well it wasn’t either and we got out of jail. Neil needs time, but during that period make sensible decisions - unlike today. Neil is the manager, there are no free hits now, he needs to accept responsibility for the challenge he speaks very boldly about understanding. Yes the window didn’t help him - though we did manage to sign another player carrying an injury. MON has gone, it’s what you wanted so get on with it. We played well against Swansea. The window was a shit show. And he has but the disjointed squad he left hasn’t and the new bloke has been here a week 😂😂😂 He will need a window to start righting the complete mess MoN left.
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on Sept 4, 2022 18:17:51 GMT
Try reading the post correctly. I did stand by view hell get plenty of time see Jones and oneil bit he's off to a terrible start evidence less by results more by selection performance amd in game management He's off to exactly the start I'd expected, having inherited a lop-sided, pissweak squad not helped by injuries, where a good proportion of those currently fit, are simply not good enough at this level. If he gets us 10th, he's done very well.
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Post by dirtclod on Sept 4, 2022 18:21:57 GMT
If that was MON today? We'd have lost 4-0 and he'd have said afterwards that "we were the better team" for extended periods ...blah blah. That's all. Why is everyone mentioning MON. He is our ex manager. Let's move on with our new manager without constantly saying that MON would have done even worse. Who cares? It's impossible to prove and irrelevent anyway. Can we concentrate on the here and now please. I think it will be 22/23 season that we will be able to give a fair assesssment of how AN has done. However, for a guy who said that he had a clear idea of how we should play, that he would communicate to the players, it all seems as clear as mud at the moment. Because the THREAD title is "If that was MON today"
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Sept 4, 2022 18:28:51 GMT
It's as if injuries to key players has an impact on the formation and starting XI. Strange to see some of the comments though. Those who say managers should be able to adapt are now suddenly filled with excuses for the manager. Michael O'Neill didn't play our top goalscorer and best striker at RWB... You just can't let go can you? You're like a heartbroken schoolgirl after One Direction split up.
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Post by gawa on Sept 4, 2022 18:30:24 GMT
It's as if injuries to key players has an impact on the formation and starting XI. Strange to see some of the comments though. Those who say managers should be able to adapt are now suddenly filled with excuses for the manager. Michael O'Neill didn't play our top goalscorer and best striker at RWB... You just can't let go can you? You're like a heartbroken schoolgirl after One Direction split up. Are you justifying the team and formation fielded today? This thread wasn't created by me and there are 5 pages of comments, mostly largely agreeing with OP. The person that can't let go... Is you of me seemingly.
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Post by independent on Sept 4, 2022 20:57:22 GMT
Why is everyone mentioning MON. He is our ex manager. Let's move on with our new manager without constantly saying that MON would have done even worse. Who cares? It's impossible to prove and irrelevent anyway. Can we concentrate on the here and now please. I think it will be 22/23 season that we will be able to give a fair assesssment of how AN has done. However, for a guy who said that he had a clear idea of how we should play, that he would communicate to the players, it all seems as clear as mud at the moment. Because the THREAD title is "If that was MON today" obviously you can't fill in the ...... { HE would be getting pelters}
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Post by independent on Sept 4, 2022 21:01:01 GMT
incidentally when did MON lose a league game 4 - 0.
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Post by Davef on Sept 4, 2022 21:25:27 GMT
incidentally when did MON lose a league game 4 - 0. Derby away in his first season. Also lost 0-5 at Leeds.
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Post by Billy the kid on Sept 4, 2022 21:32:10 GMT
If that was MON today he would have been slaughtered. make no mistake this is MON with less hair and a different accent. Not worth the best part of £2 million to change thats for sure.
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Post by Ron on Sept 4, 2022 21:40:21 GMT
He inherited the appallingn squad MON put together.
However- this square peg round hole shot has got to stop.
I really hope he sees sense n picks a team to suit the players he has. He said he was going to do that. A week in an he isn’t.
All he needed to have done was to put fosu right back and put brown up top and the team, instantly, has more balance.
Strange set up again.
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Post by independent on Sept 4, 2022 21:46:26 GMT
Neil needs to take responsibility for playing players well out of position, I know you weren’t there so let me assure you (as I was) that the intensity talked about isn’t there, we may have had lots of forwards on the pitch but they were not doing that job. Some were awful as well. I think you also thought it was ok against Swansea, well it wasn’t either and we got out of jail. Neil needs time, but during that period make sensible decisions - unlike today. Neil is the manager, there are no free hits now, he needs to accept responsibility for the challenge he speaks very boldly about understanding. Yes the window didn’t help him - though we did manage to sign another player carrying an injury. MON has gone, it’s what you wanted so get on with it. We played well against Swansea. The window was a shit show. And he has but the disjointed squad he left hasn’t and the new bloke has been here a week 😂😂😂 He will need a window to start righting the complete mess MoN left. There are plenty of free players available, surely there must be a player or 2 without a club who could fill a hole for us at least till January. I think the mistake most people are making (including you) is to believe that even with the restrictions we are working with, AN would have signed the players we needed. Anyway, every day that goes by brings us nearer to the day that we can spend again and hopefully have some choice as regards the quality we try to sign. I am not trying to set you up but I would love to know your opinion of our squad. How many of them are good, adequate or useless. No names needed just numbers.
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Post by independent on Sept 4, 2022 21:48:58 GMT
incidentally when did MON lose a league game 4 - 0. Derby away in his first season. Also lost 0-5 at Leeds. Thanks. any others, my memory is fucked.
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Post by chuckrocky on Sept 4, 2022 21:49:43 GMT
This thread is absolutely mental. He’s been in charge for a week, after the two games and recovery days which follow the games he’s probably had a couple of training sessions to try and get his ideas across.
We weren’t great today but would probably have won the game had it not been for two catastrophic mistakes.
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Post by stokie223 on Sept 4, 2022 21:51:12 GMT
He inherited the appallingn squad MON put together. However- this square peg round hole shot has got to stop. I really hope he sees sense n picks a team to suit the players he has. He said he was going to do that. A week in an he isn’t. All he needed to have done was to put fosu right back and put brown up top and the team, instantly, has more balance. Strange set up again. That's what I'm getting at really. I think the way he set the team out was shocking, we didn't create anything again really (shock) and it was completely at odds with what he said he was going to do. It's strange as against Swansea I thought we created probably 4 or 5 decent opportunities to win in the second half - and we won against Blackburn, both with a back four. Picking Clucas, playing that system with no wingbacks available and playing players out of position is poor management.
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Post by Davef on Sept 4, 2022 21:52:27 GMT
Derby away in his first season. Also lost 0-5 at Leeds. Thanks. any others, my memory is fucked. Not in the league, though we were lucky to escape just a 3-0 defeat at Fulham last season. Leicester beat us 4-0 in the FA Cup.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 4, 2022 21:57:05 GMT
Didn’t we play 4 at the back against Blackburn? Why change it back? Because successive managers worry about the opposition too much rather than just concentrate on our own strengths.
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Post by independent on Sept 4, 2022 21:58:28 GMT
I keep saying: give him 2 windows before making a judgement.
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Post by iglugluk on Sept 4, 2022 22:49:47 GMT
I keep saying: give him 2 windows before making a judgement. That's next September then. Unfortunately you may very well be right, but it's still a total mystery to me as to why O'Neill was allowed to begin this squad renewal process.. the guy has made a complete pig's ear of it. The squad O'Neill inherited, whilst vastly overpriced, was none the less considerably more functional than the one he's left behind in my opinion. No wonder he was able to seemingly turn things around quickly.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 4, 2022 23:43:43 GMT
An average player in his right position is better than a good player in the wrong position. An average player in the wrong position is a clusterfuck of a selection. Didn't he say he'd be playing players in their correct position when appointed? A week later and this abomination of a team selection!
Neil or O'Neill it was bad.
Stating Clucas hadn't got minutes in his legs in pre-season, then bemoaning the fact he's picked up an injury because he's been played 3 games on the trot without minutes in pre-season, who picked the team Mr 'it's all about the details'? 😂
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Post by stokeoptimist on Sept 4, 2022 23:50:28 GMT
We lost because two players made mistakes, nothing to do with the manager!
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Post by tejstokie on Sept 5, 2022 1:59:03 GMT
This thread is absolutely mental. He’s been in charge for a week, after the two games and recovery days which follow the games he’s probably had a couple of training sessions to try and get his ideas across. We weren’t great today but would probably have won the game had it not been for two catastrophic mistakes. This thread is mental the man hasn't even had a chance to see or meet all the players. It's a joke to assume he should be knowing anything. Asinine support and threads on here at times.
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Post by Block 26 on Sept 5, 2022 5:27:12 GMT
We lost because two players made mistakes, nothing to do with the manager! Exactly, If you give 2 goals away then 9 times out of 10 you’re gonna lose the match… School boy mistakes cost us the game again not the manager. We dominated the first half & they could hardly get hold of the ball.
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Post by stokie223 on Sept 5, 2022 6:42:44 GMT
I keep saying: give him 2 windows before making a judgement. Completely agree that it's not his team, which is why - as I've said previously - I would understand / respect it a lot more had he tried to do something different which didn't work and we ended up losing 4-0. He just served up pretty much exactly what MON would have done, which I find so odd considering that it's everything that the fans have been on his back about. Nobody forced him to play that system, nobody forced him to pick Clucas etc. I just think it's really, really odd given the second half showing against Swansea.
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Post by stokie223 on Sept 5, 2022 6:46:51 GMT
We lost because two players made mistakes, nothing to do with the manager! There was Bonham, Flint and Wilmot who are all massively culpable - their combined IQ must be about 14 because the first goal was embarrassing and the second one - well you would certainly have to be thick to make that challenge. None of that is AN's fault. Was it, however, his fault that we played a system which essentially nullifies ANY creativity that we have in the side, doesn't suit us and means we have several players playing out of position? Yes, that is absolutely on him. I just find it insane that anybody with a footballing brain that's watched us over the last couple of years would have picked that side.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 5, 2022 6:57:21 GMT
We lost because two players made mistakes, nothing to do with the manager! The overall performance was dreadful though. When you're creating almost nothing against a pretty rank side, that is partly on the manager. I'm sure he'll get it right in time.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 5, 2022 6:58:02 GMT
I keep saying: give him 2 windows before making a judgement. Is anybody not saying that?
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Post by ColonelMustard on Sept 5, 2022 7:02:38 GMT
Holden in
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Sept 5, 2022 7:54:51 GMT
Ordinarily I wouldn't pass comment on a manager so soon as he is still finding his feet and has only had two minutes to work with the players, but genuinely I'm absolutely baffled by what I've just seen. If you look at it objectively, had MON presided over what we've all just watched then we would be absolutely slaughtering him on here - and rightly so... - Playing a stupid formation which doesn't suit us at all - Striker at RWB (and our top scorer last year) - RW at LWB - Clucas starting (what on earth is he doing in this team?) - Flint starting (might be on my own on this one, but I think he's atrocious) I see people defending him saying he's still figuring things out - but I'm sorry - anyone that's watched a Stoke game over the last year or two could have told you that it was a disaster waiting to happen today. If we don't have the players for it, don't play it. It's quite simple. We should have gone with a back four and be a little more pragmatic at that end if he's not happy with his options there. Happy to give AN plenty of time but equally think we should acknowledge that he got pretty much everything wrong today. Sam Clucas. Sam fucking Clucas. Spot on he's got nothing right yet and he clearly has no idea about these players it's been a unmitigated managerial disaster selection wise since minute 1 He’s making some strange decisions but hopefully as he learns about his players and other ones return to fitness he’ll make better ones. Some areas of the team are difficult even with a fully fit squad, we have far too many very slow defenders for instance, not enough physical midfielder. He’s going to have to mitigate that as best he can until he gets an opportunity to address it.
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Post by stokeoptimist on Sept 5, 2022 8:18:00 GMT
We lost because two players made mistakes, nothing to do with the manager! There was Bonham, Flint and Wilmot who are all massively culpable - their combined IQ must be about 14 because the first goal was embarrassing and the second one - well you would certainly have to be thick to make that challenge. None of that is AN's fault. Was it, however, his fault that we played a system which essentially nullifies ANY creativity that we have in the side, doesn't suit us and means we have several players playing out of position? Yes, that is absolutely on him. I just find it insane that anybody with a footballing brain that's watched us over the last couple of years would have picked that side. Nothing to do with it, take their two gifted goals out and we win one nil away against a team that we usually struggle away against and have now won 4 out of 4. He said he would do whatever it takes to win games
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Post by stokeoptimist on Sept 5, 2022 8:20:12 GMT
We lost because two players made mistakes, nothing to do with the manager! The overall performance was dreadful though. When you're creating almost nothing against a pretty rank side, that is partly on the manager. I'm sure he'll get it right in time. You don't get points for overall performances. How can you say they are no good the have won 4 at home!
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