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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 4, 2022 15:18:56 GMT
We don't have the players to play everyone in their best position, maybe when everyone is fit but not right now. We don’t have to play brown as a right wing bsvk fosu as a left wing back , baker as a holder fox as a left sided centre back its abject nonsense by a manager who suddenly seems to believe in anything but the blindingly obvious Do we have a lcb? No. Do we have a left wing back? No. Do we have a right wing back? No. Do we have a right back? No. Do we have a DM? No. Any way you look at it people were going to be out of position. What he did do was use players that have played it before, it made sense but it didn't work. Neil is going to make mistakes like he did today while he figures out the squad, he needs time.
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Post by gawa on Sept 4, 2022 15:19:35 GMT
I don't get how players can be so unfit, fitness should be the bare minimum for a sportsman Is there any evidence of this? "Fitness" seems to be the buzz word since AN used it as an excuse last week. If it was so obvious though, whys nobody been mentioning it on the forums for the last 2 years? I'd love to see some "distance covered" statistics to see if his claims stack up. Until then I'll take it as a pinch of salt.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 4, 2022 15:21:14 GMT
I don't get how players can be so unfit, fitness should be the bare minimum for a sportsman Is there any evidence of this? "Fitness" seems to be the buzz word since AN used it as an excuse last week. If it was so obvious though, whys nobody been mentioning it on the forums for the last 2 years? I'd love to see some "distance covered" statistics to see if his claims stack up. Until then I'll take it as a pinch of salt. Plenty of people have mentioned it for the last couple of seasons, it's been pretty obvious.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 4, 2022 15:22:19 GMT
The new manager played “wing backs” today didn’t he? He did, but any formation he played would have seen players playing out of position. Can i just say at this point that Neil isn't completely without blame today, far from it, but he can't be blamed for the squad imbalance 4 at the back would have seen 1 player out of position at right back though and not 3 at LCH, RWB and LWB……
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Post by scfcwebby on Sept 4, 2022 15:24:38 GMT
He did, but any formation he played would have seen players playing out of position. Can i just say at this point that Neil isn't completely without blame today, far from it, but he can't be blamed for the squad imbalance 4 at the back would have seen 1 player out of position at right back though and not 3 at LCH, RWB and LWB…… Like I said, he's not without blame today but it's going to take some time to sort this shit out
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Post by citynickscfc on Sept 4, 2022 15:24:40 GMT
actually think Niel lost about 50% of his gained credit today. Last game he gained a bit, this game it's almost at 0. Many more like that and we will obviously be pissed off and he can go the way of Oniel, shrug we know it won't happen for 2.5 more years 🤷♂️ 2 games and just 2 days training with the players, christ give the man some slack and let him have a bit of time to put his stamp on the team. Read the op before posting 👍
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 4, 2022 15:26:05 GMT
4 at the back would have seen 1 player out of position at right back though and not 3 at LCH, RWB and LWB…… Like I said, he's not without blame today but it's going to take some time to sort this shit out It will take until the wing backs/full backs are fit in a few weeks then we’ll be fine…..
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 4, 2022 15:26:38 GMT
We seem unable to play a high pressure game. Is it because of lack of fitness or the lack of understanding of the game? I must also say the ability to receive and pass a ball at times is of such a low standard that it makes me baffled! These players play football almost every day, a sideways pass less than 10 yards should be within the limit of what they can do in 9 out of 10 times!
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Post by gawa on Sept 4, 2022 15:27:12 GMT
Is there any evidence of this? "Fitness" seems to be the buzz word since AN used it as an excuse last week. If it was so obvious though, whys nobody been mentioning it on the forums for the last 2 years? I'd love to see some "distance covered" statistics to see if his claims stack up. Until then I'll take it as a pinch of salt. Plenty of people have mentioned it for the last couple of seasons, it's been pretty obvious. tachyon any idea where we can get distance covered stats? Or is it impossible?
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Post by tejstokie on Sept 4, 2022 15:28:33 GMT
Some of the outward ass tripe thrown in this thread after the new gaffer has had literal minutes before Swansea and one real full day training before reading is enlightening to how deluded some of this boards "support" is. Christ, give the man some time he's literally dusting off MON's untidy desk and figuring out why half the squad is as fit as Peter Kay.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 4, 2022 15:31:51 GMT
He's not been here a week. He's still getting used to what he has to work with Walking into this job must have been like starting your first shift as a firefighter and being given a squirty Lucozade bottle full of water and a pair of marigolds before being shoved into an oil rig fire and told to sort it out. The fuck.
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Post by pushon on Sept 4, 2022 15:32:14 GMT
2 games and just 2 days training with the players, christ give the man some slack and let him have a bit of time to put his stamp on the team. Read the op before posting 👍 He’s obviously been given enough time to sort it out! Isn't it time for a 'Sack the Manager' thread😳
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Post by tejstokie on Sept 4, 2022 15:40:29 GMT
Read the op before posting 👍 He’s obviously been given enough time to sort it out! Isn't it time for a 'Sack the Manager' thread😳 Axe Axe Axe
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Post by stokie223 on Sept 4, 2022 16:41:12 GMT
He’s obviously been given enough time to sort it out! Isn't it time for a 'Sack the Manager' thread😳 Axe Axe Axe It's not that at all - far from it. My original post even said that he's had no time, I'm happy to give him that time and he inherited an unbalanced squad - but we had gained 4 points from our previous two games playing a back four and then we revert to a back 3/5 today which doesn't suit us and had several players out of position. Just because he's only recently joined us doesn't absolve him of any responsibility. I think he got a lot wrong today, and had that been MON then people would be sharpening their pitchforks.
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Post by pavel on Sept 4, 2022 16:42:30 GMT
2 games and just 2 days training with the players, christ give the man some slack and let him have a bit of time to put his stamp on the team. Read the op before posting 👍 I read it, it was not in response to the original poster!
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Post by Rick Grimes on Sept 4, 2022 16:45:30 GMT
I don't get how players can be so unfit, fitness should be the bare minimum for a sportsman Is there any evidence of this? "Fitness" seems to be the buzz word since AN used it as an excuse last week. If it was so obvious though, whys nobody been mentioning it on the forums for the last 2 years? I'd love to see some "distance covered" statistics to see if his claims stack up. Until then I'll take it as a pinch of salt. There is a distinct lack of intensity and there was under MON. It seems that Neil wants more intensity and wants us to press which we we’re just not able to sustain at the moment. I think it’s down to fitness and trust Neil on this.
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Post by gawa on Sept 4, 2022 16:51:27 GMT
Is there any evidence of this? "Fitness" seems to be the buzz word since AN used it as an excuse last week. If it was so obvious though, whys nobody been mentioning it on the forums for the last 2 years? I'd love to see some "distance covered" statistics to see if his claims stack up. Until then I'll take it as a pinch of salt. There is a distinct lack of intensity and there was under MON. It seems that Neil wants more intensity and wants us to press which we we’re just not able to sustain at the moment. I think it’s down to fitness and trust Neil on this. His press against Swansea for the first 30 mins was excellent and our best chances in that game came from forcing errors. If he can replicate that over 90 minutes then it would be good.
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Post by thevoid on Sept 4, 2022 17:17:40 GMT
I don't get how players can be so unfit, fitness should be the bare minimum for a sportsman Is there any evidence of this? "Fitness" seems to be the buzz word since AN used it as an excuse last week. If it was so obvious though, whys nobody been mentioning it on the forums for the last 2 years? I'd love to see some "distance covered" statistics to see if his claims stack up. Until then I'll take it as a pinch of salt. I'd rather just discuss the matter with fellow Stoke supporters if it's all the same to you pal Your agenda is clear as day
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Post by independent on Sept 4, 2022 17:24:24 GMT
Surely a slight exaggeration. It didn't stop Holden winning at Blackburn.
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Post by Boothen on Sept 4, 2022 17:27:57 GMT
Can't really blame Alex Neil, he's only working with the lazy plodders he was left. And as the old adage goes, you can't polish a turd. You can only roll it in glitter. Only problem is, we seem to be out of glitter too.
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Post by anchorman on Sept 4, 2022 17:29:07 GMT
Ordinarily I wouldn't pass comment on a manager so soon as he is still finding his feet and has only had two minutes to work with the players, but genuinely I'm absolutely baffled by what I've just seen. If you look at it objectively, had MON presided over what we've all just watched then we would be absolutely slaughtering him on here - and rightly so... - Playing a stupid formation which doesn't suit us at all - Striker at RWB (and our top scorer last year) - RW at LWB - Clucas starting (what on earth is he doing in this team?) - Flint starting (might be on my own on this one, but I think he's atrocious) I see people defending him saying he's still figuring things out - but I'm sorry - anyone that's watched a Stoke game over the last year or two could have told you that it was a disaster waiting to happen today. If we don't have the players for it, don't play it. It's quite simple. We should have gone with a back four and be a little more pragmatic at that end if he's not happy with his options there. Happy to give AN plenty of time but equally think we should acknowledge that he got pretty much everything wrong today. Sam Clucas. Sam fucking Clucas. That’s the point, it kind of was MON. His team, his issues..recruitment, mentality, physicality, fitness. Thanks Michael. AN will sort it. Have faith.
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Post by independent on Sept 4, 2022 17:29:35 GMT
He's not been here a week. He's still getting used to what he has to work with Walking into this job must have been like starting your first shift as a firefighter and being given a squirty Lucozade bottle full of water and a pair of marigolds before being shoved into an oil rig fire and told to sort it out. Surely a slight exaggeration. And despite the "likes" it didn't prevent Holden from winning against Blackburn.
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Post by Glory Hunter on Sept 4, 2022 17:30:45 GMT
He did. But this squad isn’t suited to anything and that’s on MON. The transfer window just gone was a disaster. Neil needs to take responsibility for playing players well out of position, I know you weren’t there so let me assure you (as I was) that the intensity talked about isn’t there, we may have had lots of forwards on the pitch but they were not doing that job. Some were awful as well. I think you also thought it was ok against Swansea, well it wasn’t either and we got out of jail. Neil needs time, but during that period make sensible decisions - unlike today. Neil is the manager, there are no free hits now, he needs to accept responsibility for the challenge he speaks very boldly about understanding. Yes the window didn’t help him - though we did manage to sign another player carrying an injury. MON has gone, it’s what you wanted so get on with it.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Sept 4, 2022 17:35:54 GMT
There is a distinct lack of intensity and there was under MON. It seems that Neil wants more intensity and wants us to press which we we’re just not able to sustain at the moment. I think it’s down to fitness and trust Neil on this. His press against Swansea for the first 30 mins was excellent and our best chances in that game came from forcing errors. If he can replicate that over 90 minutes then it would be good. We’ve had 3 games this week and the level of intensity that we’ve been able to press at has declined in each game albeit todays game was also affected by a bad team selection. Once the fitness levels are improved and Neil has had more time to work with the players I’m confident we’ll see an improvement.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 4, 2022 17:41:15 GMT
Didn’t we play 4 at the back against Blackburn?
Why change it back?
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Post by gawa on Sept 4, 2022 17:45:28 GMT
He did. But this squad isn’t suited to anything and that’s on MON. The transfer window just gone was a disaster. Neil needs to take responsibility for playing players well out of position, I know you weren’t there so let me assure you (as I was) that the intensity talked about isn’t there, we may have had lots of forwards on the pitch but they were not doing that job. Some were awful as well. I think you also thought it was ok against Swansea, well it wasn’t either and we got out of jail. Neil needs time, but during that period make sensible decisions - unlike today. Neil is the manager, there are no free hits now, he needs to accept responsibility for the challenge he speaks very boldly about understanding. Yes the window didn’t help him - though we did manage to sign another player carrying an injury. MON has gone, it’s what you wanted so get on with it. Best post in the thread. Here here!
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Post by dirtclod on Sept 4, 2022 17:49:00 GMT
If that was MON today? We'd have lost 4-0 and he'd have said afterwards that "we were the better team" for extended periods ...blah blah. That's all.
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Post by independent on Sept 4, 2022 17:49:09 GMT
Didn’t we play 4 at the back against Blackburn? Why change it back? because the manager thought his selection was an improvement. He needs time to get it right. He can make any mistake he likes, as far as I'm concerned, as long as he only makes it once.
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Post by independent on Sept 4, 2022 17:59:31 GMT
If that was MON today? We'd have lost 4-0 and he'd have said afterwards that "we were the better team" for extended periods ...blah blah. That's all. Why is everyone mentioning MON. He is our ex manager. Let's move on with our new manager without constantly saying that MON would have done even worse. Who cares? It's impossible to prove and irrelevent anyway. Can we concentrate on the here and now please. I think it will be 22/23 season that we will be able to give a fair assesssment of how AN has done. However, for a guy who said that he had a clear idea of how we should play, that he would communicate to the players, it all seems as clear as mud at the moment.
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Post by stokie223 on Sept 4, 2022 18:05:00 GMT
He did. But this squad isn’t suited to anything and that’s on MON. The transfer window just gone was a disaster. Neil needs to take responsibility for playing players well out of position, I know you weren’t there so let me assure you (as I was) that the intensity talked about isn’t there, we may have had lots of forwards on the pitch but they were not doing that job. Some were awful as well. I think you also thought it was ok against Swansea, well it wasn’t either and we got out of jail. Neil needs time, but during that period make sensible decisions - unlike today. Neil is the manager, there are no free hits now, he needs to accept responsibility for the challenge he speaks very boldly about understanding. Yes the window didn’t help him - though we did manage to sign another player carrying an injury. MON has gone, it’s what you wanted so get on with it. That's all I'm asking too. As mental as it sounds, I wouldn't have minded if we'd lost 4-1 today if he'd actually tried something different. To pick that team; unbalanced with players playing out of position - the mind really does boggle. He must have seen MON make the same mistakes surely? Hopefully things get better but he has to take some criticism.
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