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Post by scfc75 on Feb 11, 2020 10:01:17 GMT
Like I said you all crack on hanging a bloke with no idea of the circumstances, I might be a lone voice but that says more about the mentality of the contributors on this thread. No investigation, no trial just send him to jail. Anti Police strokers, fair minded bebate my arse. If he’s guilty of wrong doing and punished, will you come back to condemn him on this thread?
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Post by Eggybread on Feb 11, 2020 10:03:05 GMT
From what I can read Franklin (ex law enforcer)is the only person to not condemn the copper for his actions.His reason being its not conclusive.Now why is this, is it because every single person on the Oatcake is anti police or is it because he has lost the power of freethought through is police career?
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Post by butlerstbob on Feb 11, 2020 10:22:31 GMT
From what I can read Franklin (ex law enforcer)is the only person to not condemn the copper for his actions.His reason being its not conclusive.Now why is this, is it because every single person on the Oatcake is anti police or is it because he has lost the power of freethought through is police career? I suspect its more "closing ranks" On a whole the police have a job and a half on their hands in todays society and they have my full respect, but here we have plenty of videos and pictures of two young lads scrapping and a copper wading in WAY over the top and going against protocol and belting a lad over the head with huge force... It really is that simple
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2020 10:37:20 GMT
Like I said you all crack on hanging a bloke with no idea of the circumstances, I might be a lone voice but that says more about the mentality of the contributors on this thread. No investigation, no trial just send him to jail. Anti Police strokers, fair minded bebate my arse.
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Post by Eggybread on Feb 11, 2020 10:43:36 GMT
From what I can read Franklin (ex law enforcer)is the only person to not condemn the copper for his actions.His reason being its not conclusive.Now why is this, is it because every single person on the Oatcake is anti police or is it because he has lost the power of freethought through is police career? I suspect its more "closing ranks" On a whole the police have a job and a half on their hands in todays society and they have my full respect, but here we have plenty of videos and pictures of two young lads scrapping and a copper wading in WAY over the top and going against protocol and belting a lad over the head with huge force... It really is that simple I suspect its more "closing ranks" If that is the case it makes it extremely worrying that the police are not doing their duty so they can protect their own at the expense of the public justice.This is corruption is it not?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 11, 2020 12:54:50 GMT
The usual suspects spilling the anti police guff as expected. The baton strike is to his arm from what I can see, common law accounts for lethal force and its use, the criminal justice and immigration act allows for "hindsight" how anyone can condemn somebody on that footage is beyond me. Issues yes condemnation no reasonable, proportionate and necessary who knows nobody was there on here so it's all bullshit. But hey crack on with the conspiracy cover up bile its embarrassing and predictable. Franklin, I hope when this case is reviewed, that those who officially look at the video have better eyesight than you. I also hope they don't have a built in bias to favour the police officer rather than his victim. I worked in law enforcement (as a Customs Officer) and made several arrests during my career. Obviously, the situations I found myself in were usually less stressful (for me) than many of the situations the Police find themselves in. I appreciate that the video does not show the full circumstances leading up to the baton strike. But, from what we can see, the actions of the police officer don't look remotely like anything resembling reasonable force - that looked to me like a strike to the head for no good reason. And not just a strike to the head but a strike hard enough to be heard loudly some distance away. At a minimum it looks like unreasonable force causing actual bodily harm - ABH. .
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 11, 2020 16:35:02 GMT
I assume there has been a whole tranche of posts deleted from this thread. Any reason?
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 11, 2020 16:40:48 GMT
I assume there has been a whole tranche of posts deleted from this thread. Any reason?
My guess is because most of the threads on the EE board completely move off topic and degenerate into a couple of posters sniping at each other and accusing each other of having multiple personas/accounts on here. Exactly the way this thread was going as well.
The pair of them (or the lot of them, depending on how many split personalities they have) have more or less destroyed the EE board nowadays because of their personal battles with each other.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 11, 2020 16:46:25 GMT
I assume there has been a whole tranche of posts deleted from this thread. Any reason? My guess is because most of the threads on the EE board completely move off topic and degenerate into a couple of posters sniping at each other and accusing each other of having multiple personas/accounts on here. Exactly the way this thread was going as well. The pair of them (or the lot of them, depending on how many split personalities they have) have more or less destroyed the EE board nowadays because of their personal battles with each other.
Ok mate I just wondered why the specific posts a couple of which were mine and Crouch Potato’s. And I’m definitely not schizophrenic am I? No your’e not. Neither is Crouchie as far as I know. 😉
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 11, 2020 17:20:35 GMT
Am I now being blamed for the EE board now? This is hilarious stuff it's no wonder I dont bother most of the time and why its deserted but for a few.
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Post by kronkie on Feb 11, 2020 17:31:53 GMT
Sorry to interrupt, but what is EE?
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Post by boshinthekipper on Feb 11, 2020 17:35:53 GMT
Sorry to interrupt, but what is EE? Erotic Equestrians.
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Post by dexta on Feb 11, 2020 17:41:21 GMT
Sorry to interrupt, but what is EE? a mobile network
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 11, 2020 17:58:29 GMT
Sorry to interrupt, but what is EE? Another forum Everything Else it's quite lively 👍
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 11, 2020 18:20:18 GMT
Sorry to interrupt, but what is EE? Erotic Equestrians. Energetic Egomaniacs.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 12, 2020 10:57:25 GMT
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Feb 12, 2020 13:12:20 GMT
Surely police officers are taught to use a baton responsibly? If he'd whacked that kid across the arse or leg there wouldn't be the reaction the video has rightly received. The fact is, the officer's actions could've brain damaged or even killed the kid and despite what our idiotic friend on this friend says, it was not warranted, we do not need see the lead upto the incident, a blow to the like we saw is not acceptable full stop.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 13:52:19 GMT
Wonder what the 'wider disorder' the Police mention was ? GD
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 12, 2020 13:57:28 GMT
Surely police officers are taught to use a baton responsibly? If he'd whacked that kid across the arse or leg there wouldn't be the reaction the video has rightly received. The fact is, the officer's actions could've brain damaged or even killed the kid and despite what our idiotic friend on this friend says, it was not warranted, we do not need see the lead upto the incident, a blow to the like we saw is not acceptable full stop. Nonsensencical claptrap but in keeping with the rest of the jury.
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Post by Davef on Feb 12, 2020 14:08:52 GMT
Surely police officers are taught to use a baton responsibly? If he'd whacked that kid across the arse or leg there wouldn't be the reaction the video has rightly received. The fact is, the officer's actions could've brain damaged or even killed the kid and despite what our idiotic friend on this friend says, it was not warranted, we do not need see the lead upto the incident, a blow to the like we saw is not acceptable full stop. Nonsensencical claptrap but in keeping with the rest of the jury. The opinion that a baton struck around the head in the way it was in that video doesn't have the potential to kill or cause brain damage is "nonsensencical claptrap"? Seriously?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 12, 2020 14:10:49 GMT
Wonder what the 'wider disorder' the Police mention was ? GD Give them time GD. They probably haven't decided yet what the wider disorder was!
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 12, 2020 14:11:13 GMT
Nonsensencical claptrap but in keeping with the rest of the jury. The opinion that a baton struck around the head in the way it was in that video doesn't have the potential to kill or cause brain damage is "nonsensencical claptrap"? Seriously? Typical pick the one bit you like, so we dont need to know what went on before so you agree self defence should be scrapped yes? You agree if you break ribs doing CPR its assault because we dont need to know what went on before. Unbelievable bullshit.
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Post by Davef on Feb 12, 2020 14:17:48 GMT
The opinion that a baton struck around the head in the way it was in that video doesn't have the potential to kill or cause brain damage is "nonsensencical claptrap"? Seriously? Typical pick the one bit you like, so we dont need to know what went on before so you agree self defence should be scrapped yes? You agree if you break ribs doing CPR its assault because we dont need to know what went on before. Unbelievable bullshit. Okay. Give me a scenario that could have possibly been happening before the officer waded in with his baton that could justify his action?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 14:21:24 GMT
Typical pick the one bit you like, so we dont need to know what went on before so you agree self defence should be scrapped yes? You agree if you break ribs doing CPR its assault because we dont need to know what went on before. Unbelievable bullshit. Okay. Give me a scenario that could have possibly been happening before the officer waded in with his baton that could justify his action? The 16 year old stole his doughnut ? GD
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 12, 2020 14:25:14 GMT
Typical pick the one bit you like, so we dont need to know what went on before so you agree self defence should be scrapped yes? You agree if you break ribs doing CPR its assault because we dont need to know what went on before. Unbelievable bullshit. Okay. Give me a scenario that could have possibly been happening before the officer waded in with his baton that could justify his action? Franklin MIGHT attempt to say the the young lad COULD have been in possession of a knife, a hand gun or a grenade. However, if he wants to go down that route, Franklin needs to explain why there was no attempt, after the baton strike, by any of the several police present, to disarm the lad who clearly was in no position to prevent himself being disarmed. I rest my case!
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 12, 2020 14:27:12 GMT
Typical pick the one bit you like, so we dont need to know what went on before so you agree self defence should be scrapped yes? You agree if you break ribs doing CPR its assault because we dont need to know what went on before. Unbelievable bullshit. Okay. Give me a scenario that could have possibly been happening before the officer waded in with his baton that could justify his action? How many times I could do but you would just throw it on my face because that's how you and the other work. The simple answer is I dont know and until I do I wont join the lynch mob. There could be any number of things to impact of this case, everyone keeps going on about he had a baton and if it were me I'd get arrested quite possible however if you picked it up because a person was going to stick a screwdriver in your neck its justified. If anyone is genuinely interested I'll gladly explain but unfortunately nobody gives a shit the result is already in. Read the thread at no point have I denied or found him innocent all I've done is caution to wait until the facts are known. There are laws, legislation that could explain those actions but I repeat nobody gives a toss I'm a bellend. If he's committed a crime then he deserves what he gets but I wont condemn him before hand. If that makes me an idiot or whatever I dont care but I wont bow to ignorance.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 12, 2020 14:28:22 GMT
Typical pick the one bit you like, so we dont need to know what went on before so you agree self defence should be scrapped yes? You agree if you break ribs doing CPR its assault because we dont need to know what went on before. Unbelievable bullshit. Okay. Give me a scenario that could have possibly been happening before the officer waded in with his baton that could justify his action?
He won't
He tells everyone on here that they don't know what happened so they're talking bollocks. He also doesn't know what happened but has such a lack of self awareness that he doesn't realise he therefore MUST also be talking bollocks.
Typical copper....knows fuck all yet thinks he can throw his weight around. And people like him wonder why no one has any respect for or trust in the police force anymore. A large proportion of them spend their days sat on their arses doing fuck all, telling people to sort out crimes themselves and then throw their weight around when people question them. they are NOT (and never have been) above the law!
Some of them would do well to remember that they are "Public servants". Nowadays most (well, the few that are actually out there nowadays) are just flat track bullies who think thye're above everyone else.
Franklin....answer ONE simple question:
What do you know that no-one else does that, for you, deems this to be "appropriate force"? If you can't/don't answer then we'll all know that you're just a prick with as little knoweldge as the rest of us haveabout the incident (so therefore your opinion is no more valid). If you do have an answer, don't you think you should be doing more productive with that evidence than spouting unqualified, unevidenced shit on a message board?
You Sir, are pretty much the exact type of policeman that have caused the force to lose so much respect from the people it claims to protect.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Feb 12, 2020 14:28:48 GMT
I assume there has been a whole tranche of posts deleted from this thread. Any reason? Where’ve you been mate? Missed your bit of humour around the swamp
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 12, 2020 14:29:02 GMT
Typical pick the one bit you like, so we dont need to know what went on before so you agree self defence should be scrapped yes? You agree if you break ribs doing CPR its assault because we dont need to know what went on before. Unbelievable bullshit. Okay. Give me a scenario that could have possibly been happening before the officer waded in with his baton that could justify his action? "walking on the cracks in the pavement?" "walking in a loud shirt in a built-up area during the hours of darkness?" "walking around with an offensive wife?" "Do you not think you're being a little overzealous Officer Franklin"?
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 12, 2020 14:29:49 GMT
Okay. Give me a scenario that could have possibly been happening before the officer waded in with his baton that could justify his action?
He won't
He tells everyone on here that they don't know what happened so they're talking bollocks. He also doesn't know what happened but has such a lack of self awareness that he doesn't realise he therefore MUST also be talking bollocks.
Typical copper....knows fuck all yet thinks he can throw his weight around. And people like him wonder why no one has any respect for or trust in the police force anymore. A large proportion of them spend their days sat on their arses doing fuck all, telling people to sort out crimes themselves and then throw their weight around when people question them. they are NOT (and never have been) above the law!
Some of them would do well to remember that they are "Public servants". Nowadays most (well, the few that are actually out there nowadays) are just flat track bullies who think thye're above everyone else.
Franklin....answer ONE simple question:
What do you know that no-one else does that, for you, deems this to be "appropriate force"? If you can't/don't answer then we'll all know that you're just a prick with as little knoweldge as the rest of us haveabout the incident (so therefore your opinion is no more valid). If you do have an answer, don't you think you should be doing more productive with that evidence than spouting unqualified, unevidenced shit on a message board?
You Sir, are pretty much the exact type of policeman that have caused the force to lose so much respect from the people it claims to protect.
You've not read one thing I've said.
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