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Post by franklin66 on Feb 10, 2020 18:49:16 GMT
The usual suspects spilling the anti police guff as expected. The baton strike is to his arm from what I can see, common law accounts for lethal force and its use, the criminal justice and immigration act allows for "hindsight" how anyone can condemn somebody on that footage is beyond me. Issues yes condemnation no reasonable, proportionate and necessary who knows nobody was there on here so it's all bullshit. But hey crack on with the conspiracy cover up bile its embarrassing and predictable. Regardless of whether the lad was involved in any kind of trouble, the force in which that officer weighed in to deal with it is nowhere near reasonable and neither is it defensible. Punishment is supposed to be dished out by the courts, not these wannabe Robocops. Were you there? Do you know what went on ? No you weant and no you dont, so how about waiting before condemnation. You're right punishment is for the courts or in this case the Oatcake lynch mob of which you're one. All I've said is to wait before judgement and then see what the outcome is but that's not good enough for the likes of you, you've already cast your guilty vote. From that very short clip its impossible to make an informed decision but that dunna stop folk doing so. Typical oatcake bullshit anti Police guff. Pick up a baton and cuffs and do it yourself..... yeah thought not stick to what you do best whatever that is.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 18:56:19 GMT
Regardless of whether the lad was involved in any kind of trouble, the force in which that officer weighed in to deal with it is nowhere near reasonable and neither is it defensible. Punishment is supposed to be dished out by the courts, not these wannabe Robocops. Were you there? Do you know what went on ? No you weant and no you dont, so how about waiting before condemnation. You're right punishment is for the courts or in this case the Oatcake lynch mob of which you're one. All I've said is to wait before judgement and then see what the outcome is but that's not good enough for the likes of you, you've already cast your guilty vote. From that very short clip its impossible to make an informed decision but that dunna stop folk doing so. Typical oatcake bullshit anti Police guff. Pick up a baton and cuffs and do it yourself..... yeah thought not stick to what you do best whatever that is. Actually you questioned whether he'd even been hit with a baton despite the police themselves admitting that he had......
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 10, 2020 18:59:58 GMT
Were you there? Do you know what went on ? No you weant and no you dont, so how about waiting before condemnation. You're right punishment is for the courts or in this case the Oatcake lynch mob of which you're one. All I've said is to wait before judgement and then see what the outcome is but that's not good enough for the likes of you, you've already cast your guilty vote. From that very short clip its impossible to make an informed decision but that dunna stop folk doing so. Typical oatcake bullshit anti Police guff. Pick up a baton and cuffs and do it yourself..... yeah thought not stick to what you do best whatever that is. Actually you questioned whether he'd even been hit with a baton despite the police themselves admitting that he had...... No I didn't I said it looked like he had been hit on his arm from what I could see. And then I answered question of how he got a cut and I said from a fight or fall and that I dont know. More bullshit from the mob.
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Post by dexta on Feb 10, 2020 19:12:57 GMT
Actually you questioned whether he'd even been hit with a baton despite the police themselves admitting that he had...... No I didn't I said it looked like he had been hit on his arm from what I could see. And then I answered question of how he got a cut and I said from a fight or fall and that I dont know. More bullshit from the mob. old bill have always been the worst hooligans from the 70s onwards...if it had been a police officer who was attacked the guilty party would be on remand now for attempted murder
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Post by Davef on Feb 10, 2020 19:13:46 GMT
Regardless of whether the lad was involved in any kind of trouble, the force in which that officer weighed in to deal with it is nowhere near reasonable and neither is it defensible. Punishment is supposed to be dished out by the courts, not these wannabe Robocops. Were you there? Do you know what went on ? No you weant and no you dont, so how about waiting before condemnation. You're right punishment is for the courts or in this case the Oatcake lynch mob of which you're one. All I've said is to wait before judgement and then see what the outcome is but that's not good enough for the likes of you, you've already cast your guilty vote. From that very short clip its impossible to make an informed decision but that dunna stop folk doing so. Typical oatcake bullshit anti Police guff. Pick up a baton and cuffs and do it yourself..... yeah thought not stick to what you do best whatever that is. You've lost it.
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Post by Squeekster on Feb 10, 2020 19:19:45 GMT
Sadly this kind of thing is not unusual 70/80/90's was common place and usually unprovoked.
If your a football fan as far as the police are concerned your game.
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Post by scfc75 on Feb 10, 2020 19:22:43 GMT
Regardless of whether the lad was involved in any kind of trouble, the force in which that officer weighed in to deal with it is nowhere near reasonable and neither is it defensible. Punishment is supposed to be dished out by the courts, not these wannabe Robocops. Were you there? Do you know what went on ? No you weant and no you dont, so how about waiting before condemnation. You're right punishment is for the courts or in this case the Oatcake lynch mob of which you're one. All I've said is to wait before judgement and then see what the outcome is but that's not good enough for the likes of you, you've already cast your guilty vote. From that very short clip its impossible to make an informed decision but that dunna stop folk doing so. Typical oatcake bullshit anti Police guff. Pick up a baton and cuffs and do it yourself..... yeah thought not stick to what you do best whatever that is. I think ‘typical oatcake anti police’ is a very sweeping statement. I, along with many regular posters who have commented on this thread, am a reasonable guy and I appreciate that the police do a very difficult job (one I wouldn’t do for any money). However I also think that having seen the footage and the aftermath, it’s a reasonable reaction for somebody to think that the policeman in question has acted beyond his duty and with excessive force. It’s also perfectly reasonable, with plenty of historic evidence, to accept that there are some police officers who, whether the job is difficult or not, can be wrong ‘uns and cross the line. I don’t think anybody here is saying ‘it’s a copper, he must be in the wrong’ - from what I’ve seen I think it’s very likely that the officer in question is going to face some kind of punishment.
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 10, 2020 19:29:37 GMT
Were you there? Do you know what went on ? No you weant and no you dont, so how about waiting before condemnation. You're right punishment is for the courts or in this case the Oatcake lynch mob of which you're one. All I've said is to wait before judgement and then see what the outcome is but that's not good enough for the likes of you, you've already cast your guilty vote. From that very short clip its impossible to make an informed decision but that dunna stop folk doing so. Typical oatcake bullshit anti Police guff. Pick up a baton and cuffs and do it yourself..... yeah thought not stick to what you do best whatever that is. You've lost it. You never had it
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 10, 2020 19:33:42 GMT
Were you there? Do you know what went on ? No you weant and no you dont, so how about waiting before condemnation. You're right punishment is for the courts or in this case the Oatcake lynch mob of which you're one. All I've said is to wait before judgement and then see what the outcome is but that's not good enough for the likes of you, you've already cast your guilty vote. From that very short clip its impossible to make an informed decision but that dunna stop folk doing so. Typical oatcake bullshit anti Police guff. Pick up a baton and cuffs and do it yourself..... yeah thought not stick to what you do best whatever that is. I think ‘typical oatcake anti police’ is a very sweeping statement. I, along with many regular posters who have commented on this thread, am a reasonable guy and I appreciate that the police do a very difficult job (one I wouldn’t do for any money). However I also think that having seen the footage and the aftermath, it’s a reasonable reaction for somebody to think that the policeman in question has acted beyond his duty and with excessive force. It’s also perfectly reasonable, with plenty of historic evidence, to accept that there are some police officers who, whether the job is difficult or not, can be wrong ‘uns and cross the line. I don’t think anybody here is saying ‘it’s a copper, he must be in the wrong’ - from what I’ve seen I think it’s very likely that the officer in question is going to face some kind of punishment. Lol yeah they are read it again, most have condemned the bloke on a short video clip with no context or impact factors or any other evidence. I've not defended his actions I've stated let's wait and see. He will have to explain and justify his actions but it's clear from most of the posts it makes no difference and its already being called a cover up, copper defending coppers etc.
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Post by Eggybread on Feb 10, 2020 19:35:13 GMT
Franklin why dont you just admit that the copper over reacted? Its obvious whether you're a ex copper or not.I dont know whether or not he intended to hit the lad with such force but the point is on video evidence he obviously did.
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 10, 2020 19:39:43 GMT
Franklin why dont you just admit that the copper over reacted? Its obvious whether you're a ex copper or not.I dont know whether or not he intended to hit the lad with such force but the point is on video evidence he obviously did. Because I dont know the facts if hes wrong so be it but I'm not going to join the lynch mob of ignorants on here.
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Post by werrington on Feb 10, 2020 19:42:11 GMT
I think ‘typical oatcake anti police’ is a very sweeping statement. I, along with many regular posters who have commented on this thread, am a reasonable guy and I appreciate that the police do a very difficult job (one I wouldn’t do for any money). However I also think that having seen the footage and the aftermath, it’s a reasonable reaction for somebody to think that the policeman in question has acted beyond his duty and with excessive force. It’s also perfectly reasonable, with plenty of historic evidence, to accept that there are some police officers who, whether the job is difficult or not, can be wrong ‘uns and cross the line. I don’t think anybody here is saying ‘it’s a copper, he must be in the wrong’ - from what I’ve seen I think it’s very likely that the officer in question is going to face some kind of punishment. Lol yeah they are read it again, most have condemned the bloke on a short video clip with no context or impact factors or any other evidence. I've not defended his actions I've stated let's wait and see. He will have to explain and justify his actions but it's clear from most of the posts it makes no difference and its already being called a cover up, copper defending coppers etc. Why wasn’t he arrested by one of his colleagues at the scene then? That’s assuming they would of done to that lad had he run 20 yards and cracked a Sheffield Wednesday fan over the head with a metal bar?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 19:49:22 GMT
Actually you questioned whether he'd even been hit with a baton despite the police themselves admitting that he had...... No I didn't I said it looked like he had been hit on his arm from what I could see. And then I answered question of how he got a cut and I said from a fight or fall and that I dont know. More bullshit from the mob. And you were wrong. And still won’t acknowledge you were wrong. And stop going on about the mob like you’re some kind of victim it’s a message board debate ffs......
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 10, 2020 19:51:38 GMT
Lol yeah they are read it again, most have condemned the bloke on a short video clip with no context or impact factors or any other evidence. I've not defended his actions I've stated let's wait and see. He will have to explain and justify his actions but it's clear from most of the posts it makes no difference and its already being called a cover up, copper defending coppers etc. Why wasn’t he arrested by one of his colleagues at the scene then? That’s assuming they would of done to that lad had he run 20 yards and cracked a Sheffield Wednesday fan over the head with a metal bar? Case in point you've no idea whats gone on but your assuming he's guilty and questioning why he was not arrested. I'll leave it to you guys I prefer innocent until guilty not the Oatcake lynch mob anti Police mentality.
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 10, 2020 19:53:30 GMT
No I didn't I said it looked like he had been hit on his arm from what I could see. And then I answered question of how he got a cut and I said from a fight or fall and that I dont know. More bullshit from the mob. And you were wrong. And still won’t acknowledge you were wrong. And stop going on about the mob like you’re some kind of victim it’s a message board debate ffs...... Which I acknowledge in another post another bullshit post. How embarrassing are you lol.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 19:57:21 GMT
Why wasn’t he arrested by one of his colleagues at the scene then? That’s assuming they would of done to that lad had he run 20 yards and cracked a Sheffield Wednesday fan over the head with a metal bar? Case in point you've no idea whats gone on but your assuming he's guilty and questioning why he was not arrested. I'll leave it to you guys I prefer innocent until guilty not the Oatcake lynch mob anti Police mentality. Franklin bingo. “Innocent until guilty” “Oatcake lynch mob” “Anti police mentality”
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 20:00:01 GMT
And you were wrong. And still won’t acknowledge you were wrong. And stop going on about the mob like you’re some kind of victim it’s a message board debate ffs...... Which I acknowledge in another post another bullshit post. How embarrassing are you lol. Try gathering the facts before posting then. You know, practice what you preach and all that. Anyway Im bored now I’m off for a run before the storm comes....
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 10, 2020 20:00:17 GMT
Case in point you've no idea whats gone on but your assuming he's guilty and questioning why he was not arrested. I'll leave it to you guys I prefer innocent until guilty not the Oatcake lynch mob anti Police mentality. Franklin bingo. “Innocent until guilty” “Oatcake lynch mob” “Anti police mentality” Lol true though is it not, you even told me it was admitted by his force and I said thanks for letting me know. Read your own posts pmsl.
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 10, 2020 20:04:23 GMT
Which I acknowledge in another post another bullshit post. How embarrassing are you lol. Try gathering the facts before posting then. You know, practice what you preach and all that. Anyway Im bored now I’m off for a run before the storm comes.... Which is what I've said all along in contrast to the rest. Laughable response 🤪
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Post by Billy the kid on Feb 10, 2020 20:09:17 GMT
I have been a bell end at football, let the beers go down too well and acted like a right cunt, but I have never had my skull whacked like that from a copper. Totally over the top reaction from the officer, as he was the only one wading in, if the lad was being a dick more than one would have charged forward.
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Post by werrington on Feb 10, 2020 20:15:12 GMT
Why wasn’t he arrested by one of his colleagues at the scene then? That’s assuming they would of done to that lad had he run 20 yards and cracked a Sheffield Wednesday fan over the head with a metal bar? Case in point you've no idea whats gone on but your assuming he's guilty and questioning why he was not arrested. I'll leave it to you guys I prefer innocent until guilty not the Oatcake lynch mob anti Police mentality. So why wasn’t he arrested? If I was being attacked and I picked up a baton and cracked somebody over the head ( let alone run 20 yards to do it )would I be arrested and taken in for questioning to determine the facts? Yes or no will suffice
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 10, 2020 20:22:01 GMT
I’m with Franklin on this one.
Said nobody.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 20:55:21 GMT
Why wasn’t he arrested by one of his colleagues at the scene then? That’s assuming they would of done to that lad had he run 20 yards and cracked a Sheffield Wednesday fan over the head with a metal bar? Case in point you've no idea whats gone on but your assuming he's guilty and questioning why he was not arrested. I'll leave it to you guys I prefer innocent until guilty not the Oatcake lynch mob anti Police mentality. You come to the situation late but catch a man hitting another man over the head with a baton. You're saying when you were a Bobby you wouldn't have arrested that person. Utter nonsense.
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Post by heyzeus on Feb 10, 2020 21:07:57 GMT
Regardless of whether the lad was involved in any kind of trouble, the force in which that officer weighed in to deal with it is nowhere near reasonable and neither is it defensible. Punishment is supposed to be dished out by the courts, not these wannabe Robocops. Were you there? Do you know what went on ? No you weant and no you dont, so how about waiting before condemnation. You're right punishment is for the courts or in this case the Oatcake lynch mob of which you're one. All I've said is to wait before judgement and then see what the outcome is but that's not good enough for the likes of you, you've already cast your guilty vote. From that very short clip its impossible to make an informed decision but that dunna stop folk doing so. Typical oatcake bullshit anti Police guff. Pick up a baton and cuffs and do it yourself..... yeah thought not stick to what you do best whatever that is. Mate. They're told not to hit on the head, groin etc. This fucker took a run up and went overarm onto his bonce. There's a video that shows exactly this. What happened before is utterly irrelevant unless this youth had pulled a gun or had a bomb strapped to his chest. Based on the video I think it's fair to say this absolute goblin of a bloke could see neither since he ran from behind and twatted him. I hope he gets buggered senseless in prison. PS. Are/were you one of them?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 21:27:44 GMT
Were you there? Do you know what went on ? No you weant and no you dont, so how about waiting before condemnation. You're right punishment is for the courts or in this case the Oatcake lynch mob of which you're one. All I've said is to wait before judgement and then see what the outcome is but that's not good enough for the likes of you, you've already cast your guilty vote. From that very short clip its impossible to make an informed decision but that dunna stop folk doing so. Typical oatcake bullshit anti Police guff. Pick up a baton and cuffs and do it yourself..... yeah thought not stick to what you do best whatever that is. I hope he gets buggered senseless in prison. Could you please explain how your anger over one man commiting a crime is quelled by the thought of another man commiting a crime?
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Post by heyzeus on Feb 10, 2020 21:52:07 GMT
I hope he gets buggered senseless in prison. Could you please explain how your anger over one man commiting a crime is quelled by the thought of another man commiting a crime? Hyperbole mate. It makes posting more fun dunnit.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Feb 10, 2020 22:14:34 GMT
The noise of that crack on the head is pretty startling.
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Post by Gods on Feb 11, 2020 7:33:45 GMT
Blimey this thread has gone a little off piste since I last visited it!
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 11, 2020 9:31:13 GMT
Like I said you all crack on hanging a bloke with no idea of the circumstances, I might be a lone voice but that says more about the mentality of the contributors on this thread. No investigation, no trial just send him to jail. Anti Police strokers, fair minded bebate my arse.
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Post by werrington on Feb 11, 2020 9:34:51 GMT
Like I said you all crack on hanging a bloke with no idea of the circumstances, I might be a lone voice but that says more about the mentality of the contributors on this thread. No investigation, no trial just send him to jail. Anti Police strokers, fair minded bebate my arse. I’m certainly not anti police mate, and that’s from somebody whose fallen the wrong side of the law on many occasions when I was young and daft .....I will say they do a fantastic job in trying to keep us all safe in these terrible times whilst horrendously short on numbers BUT you can’t defend this bloke given the images available to us, the action he took was not in keeping with what was taking place
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