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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jan 26, 2019 20:24:40 GMT
I can remember for along time. Right from the word go it was bad, picking Tymon at LB when he was dreadful against Shrewsbury, Clucas keeping his place in the side after some of the most abject displays barring his goal against Leeds he had been woeful. Playing a back 5 just because we were lucky with it last week - that's Hughes, Lambert, Rowett now Jones who've tried it and its shite. Subbing Tymon with less than 3 minutes to half time, the lads head dropped so low the worms were winking at him, he could have waited until half time surely. No game plan no urgency and whatever tactics he was using were baffling to everyone around me and I still can't fathom them out over 3 hours after the game. Nothing seemed to change at half time either except that BMI appeared to be our LWB. The subs were just as clueless, taking off Campbell instead of Afobe and replacing him with the goal machine McClean when we needed to score then subbing Afobe for Crouch we then had to rely on a 37 year old beanpole who's lost the ability to jump to try and get us into the game our only recognised striker on the pitch. Still no one seemed to know what tactics or system we were trying to play. This was fucking Preston at home and we looked clueless, the manager looked clueless, the crowd looked shocked and bewildered and nothing happened to change what was being dished up on the pitch. I am prepared to give Jones a bit of time for him to deliver his "fast, exciting, attacking" brand of football but it can't be acceptable to be served up much more of what was witnessed today or the honeymoon period will be a very short lived one. Gouranga.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 20:26:48 GMT
We weren't lucky last week. It was a deserved win.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Jan 26, 2019 20:26:55 GMT
Can't disagree with that
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Post by henry on Jan 26, 2019 20:28:56 GMT
It was poor man management of Tymon, but he needs time
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jan 26, 2019 20:30:23 GMT
I can remember for along time. Right from the word go it was bad, picking Tymon at LB when he was dreadful against Shrewsbury, Clucas keeping his place in the side after some of the most abject displays barring his goal against Leeds he had been woeful. Playing a back 5 just because we were lucky with it last week - that's Hughes, Lambert, Rowett now Jones who've tried it and its shite. Subbing Tymon with less than 3 minutes to half time, the lads head dropped so low the worms were winking at him, he could have waited until half time surely. No game plan no urgency and whatever tactics he was using were baffling to everyone around me and I still can't fathom them out over 3 hours after the game. Nothing seemed to change at half time either except that BMI appeared to be our LWB. The subs were just as clueless, taking off Campbell instead of Afobe and replacing him with the goal machine McClean when we needed to score then subbing Afobe for Crouch we then had to rely on a 37 year old beanpole who's lost the ability to jump to try and get us into the game our only recognised striker on the pitch. Still no one seemed to know what tactics or system we were trying to play. This was fucking Preston at home and we looked clueless, the manager looked clueless, the crowd looked shocked and bewildered and nothing happened to change what was being dished up on the pitch. I am prepared to give Jones a bit of time for him to deliver his "fast, exciting, attacking" brand of football but it can't be acceptable to be served up much more of what was witnessed today or the honeymoon period will be a very short lived one. Gouranga. Great post. Well put. |
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Post by Dingdangdoo on Jan 26, 2019 20:31:19 GMT
I can remember for along time. Right from the word go it was bad, picking Tymon at LB when he was dreadful against Shrewsbury, Clucas keeping his place in the side after some of the most abject displays barring his goal against Leeds he had been woeful. Playing a back 5 just because we were lucky with it last week - that's Hughes, Lambert, Rowett now Jones who've tried it and its shite. Subbing Tymon with less than 3 minutes to half time, the lads head dropped so low the worms were winking at him, he could have waited until half time surely. No game plan no urgency and whatever tactics he was using were baffling to everyone around me and I still can't fathom them out over 3 hours after the game. Nothing seemed to change at half time either except that BMI appeared to be our LWB. The subs were just as clueless, taking off Campbell instead of Afobe and replacing him with the goal machine McClean when we needed to score then subbing Afobe for Crouch we then had to rely on a 37 year old beanpole who's lost the ability to jump to try and get us into the game our only recognised striker on the pitch. Still no one seemed to know what tactics or system we were trying to play. This was fucking Preston at home and we looked clueless, the manager looked clueless, the crowd looked shocked and bewildered and nothing happened to change what was being dished up on the pitch. I am prepared to give Jones a bit of time for him to deliver his "fast, exciting, attacking" brand of football but it can't be acceptable to be served up much more of what was witnessed today or the honeymoon period will be a very short lived one. Gouranga. Glad you typed that so I didn’t have to 👀 |
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Jan 26, 2019 20:32:19 GMT
We weren't lucky last week. It was a deserved win. That was the new manager bounce you only get one when its SCFC. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 20:32:35 GMT
If Charlie and Woods got injured yesterday it didn’t give him much time to adapt and that system can’t work without Charlie. Woods at a push. But I agree it was very poor.
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Post by harrysburrow on Jan 26, 2019 20:34:57 GMT
I think/hope Nathan Jones is a good bloke who will sort the club out given time. He's made some interesting and quite progressive decisions in his first 2 weeks and is clearly throwing himself whole-heartedly into the job. He had a very poor day today though.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jan 26, 2019 20:36:03 GMT
Taking Tymon off before half time was very poor management. Injury or not he looked distraught
Very poor Mr Jones
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jan 26, 2019 20:36:23 GMT
We weren't lucky last week. It was a deserved win. It's all about opinions and mine at the time was we were lucky to come away with a win against the 10 men of Leeds, apart from a worldy save from Butland we wouldn't have. I've seen nothing since to change my opinion. Today though was on another planet of dog shit management, I honestly can't draw onw positive from today either the team selection, team mangement (including the negative subs) or the team performance. It was as bad as anything Rowett, Hughes or Lambert dished up. Jones has had a few weeks now to assess the squad and a full uninterupted week of training after what should have been a morale boosting victory over a very good Leeds side last week. Gouranga. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 20:38:07 GMT
I can remember for along time. Right from the word go it was bad, picking Tymon at LB when he was dreadful against Shrewsbury, Clucas keeping his place in the side after some of the most abject displays barring his goal against Leeds he had been woeful. Playing a back 5 just because we were lucky with it last week - that's Hughes, Lambert, Rowett now Jones who've tried it and its shite. Subbing Tymon with less than 3 minutes to half time, the lads head dropped so low the worms were winking at him, he could have waited until half time surely. No game plan no urgency and whatever tactics he was using were baffling to everyone around me and I still can't fathom them out over 3 hours after the game. Nothing seemed to change at half time either except that BMI appeared to be our LWB. The subs were just as clueless, taking off Campbell instead of Afobe and replacing him with the goal machine McClean when we needed to score then subbing Afobe for Crouch we then had to rely on a 37 year old beanpole who's lost the ability to jump to try and get us into the game our only recognised striker on the pitch. Still no one seemed to know what tactics or system we were trying to play. This was fucking Preston at home and we looked clueless, the manager looked clueless, the crowd looked shocked and bewildered and nothing happened to change what was being dished up on the pitch. I am prepared to give Jones a bit of time for him to deliver his "fast, exciting, attacking" brand of football but it can't be acceptable to be served up much more of what was witnessed today or the honeymoon period will be a very short lived one. Gouranga. All of that. It was the opposite of last week. |
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Post by Dingdangdoo on Jan 26, 2019 20:39:52 GMT
I do want to give him time though.....
I think he has it in him.....just a hunch 🤷♀️
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 26, 2019 20:41:38 GMT
Sounds like I was lucky to miss the match today. I was busy attending Prayers for the Nation, maybe Nathan should have joined us?
I understand the 3 CBs, 2 WB system but for it to work you need to have two WBs who are good enough to be FBs and good enough to be wingers. If they aren't it doesn't work.
In fact I would go further and say they not only have to be excellent defenders and can beat a man and centre, they also need to be fast and supremely fit to keep getting up and down the pitch. We have never had and player good enough to do that although I accept Chelsea turned Moses into a good WB after he left us.
There have been a number of posters on here who have said for some time that our season is over, especially after losing to Shrewsbury, I think I am now coming round to that point of view, I hope NJ proves me wrong.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jan 26, 2019 20:42:23 GMT
Taking Tymon off before half time was very poor management. Injury or not he looked distraught Very poor Mr Jones Tymon didn't look injured at the time, he was shaking his head and gesturing why with both his hands held out, the lad looked shocked and almost in tears, I just hope it doesn't destroy any confidence he has. Almost 43 minutes on the clock surely he could have waited 2 minutes then put his arm around him in the dressing room and explained what he was intending to do and why. Gouranga. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 20:43:10 GMT
4 managers and still the same problems......how many more managers before we find a fix?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 20:45:20 GMT
If Tymon was injured you take him off no matter it's just before half time.
If it was purely tactical it was a dreadful decision
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 20:45:57 GMT
I personally thought taking him off was the right decision. The lad is truly woeful and could of costed us another goal. However replacing him with Sorensen was mind boggling. Surely put clucas to left back and bring Bojan on. Drop Allen with Etebo and push Bojan to the tip.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jan 26, 2019 20:46:56 GMT
Sounds like I was lucky to miss the match today. I was busy attending Prayers for the Nation, maybe Nathan should have joined us? I understand the 3 CBs, 2 WB system but for it to work you need to have two WBs who are good enough to be FBs and good enough to be wingers. If they aren't it doesn't work. In fact I would go further and say they not only have to be excellent defenders and can beat a man and centre, they also need to be fast and supremely fit to keep getting up and down the pitch. We have never had and player good enough to do that although I accept Chelsea turned Moses into a good WB after he left us. There have been a number of posters on here who have said for some time that our season is over, especially after losing to Shrewsbury, I think I am now coming round to that point of view, I hope NJ proves me wrong. I have always hung on to the hope we can turn things around, I did last season until it was a certainty BUT I have to admit that we now have no chance of making the play-offs it would take a miracle and we just aren't that lucky. I would love to proved wrong but in all honesty can anyone see it happening? Gouranga. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 20:46:56 GMT
Taking Tymon off before half time was very poor management. Injury or not he looked distraught Very poor Mr Jones Tymon didn't look injured at the time, he was shaking his head and gesturing why with both his hands held out, the lad looked shocked and almost in tears, I just hope it doesn't destroy any confidence he has. Almost 43 minutes on the clock surely he could have waited 2 minutes then put his arm around him in the dressing room and explained what he was intending to do and why. Gouranga. Well he had been watched about 25 times before we signed h so I could just be a couple of bad games. Nathan as picked him on Cartwright's advice! 😀 |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jan 26, 2019 20:48:40 GMT
It was complete shit but he did try and change it at least twice throughout the game. He said he wanted to give the same players a chance after last week which you can only agree with him on but we didn’t have that same side available to play and Tymon had a disaster of a game. Even with Clucas at LWB it won’t have been great but we might not have gone one down so early on.
He kept faith in the players from last week and gave youth a chance but it backfired today and it was a rancid watch.
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Post by shrewspotter on Jan 26, 2019 20:49:28 GMT
Taking Tymon off before half time was very poor management. Injury or not he looked distraught Very poor Mr Jones Tymon didn't look injured at the time, he was shaking his head and gesturing why with both his hands held out, the lad looked shocked and almost in tears, I just hope it doesn't destroy any confidence he has. Almost 43 minutes on the clock surely he could have waited 2 minutes then put his arm around him in the dressing room and explained what he was intending to do and why. Gouranga. you don't need the manager to destroy Tymons confidence Albert when you post what you do. You do it for him |
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jan 26, 2019 20:49:35 GMT
If Tymon was injured you take him off no matter it's just before half time. If it was purely tactical it was a dreadful decision No matter what anyone says now, at the time Tymon was not injured he came off shaking his head and holding his hands out gesturing why. It was a shocking demoralising decision to make. Gouranga. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 26, 2019 20:50:31 GMT
As a matter of interest what did people expect , he’s been a manager just a couple of years ,he’s never managed at this level or higher , he’s youngish more mailable and much cheaper than any elite option , he is going to make mistakes .it was a guranteed roller coaster which may well get much much worse before the hoped for improvement .
He was selected by those running a process who had just made two catastrophic appointments in 12 months .
He is very likeable and understandably naive he is doing exactly what his CV suggests he would , if people have an issue with that look to those who own endorse and run the process that selected him and the players at his disposal .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 20:50:33 GMT
He had to take Campbell off, he's incapable of playing more than 60/65 mins currently.....
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 26, 2019 20:50:52 GMT
Almost in tears  , if he was he needs to get a fucking grip |
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 26, 2019 20:53:52 GMT
What happened to the 'at them' attitude we showed against Leeds!? Today we dropped back and invited them to have as much time as they wanteed on the ball. I really can't understand why we changed our approach when it was so successful the last time we played!? Were we unable to do this without old Charlie on the pitch? If so we're really in for a long and dry season! Jesus wept, this was truely awful!  |
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jan 26, 2019 20:56:54 GMT
Tymon didn't look injured at the time, he was shaking his head and gesturing why with both his hands held out, the lad looked shocked and almost in tears, I just hope it doesn't destroy any confidence he has. Almost 43 minutes on the clock surely he could have waited 2 minutes then put his arm around him in the dressing room and explained what he was intending to do and why. Gouranga. you don't need the manager to destroy Tymons confidence Albert when you post what you do. You do it for him Absolute fucking bollocks. I posted that he was dreadful (not the only one albeit) against Shrewsbury that's it. I didn't haul him off before half time in front of 25k supporters when the substitution could have happened 2 minutes later in the dressing room with an explanation as to why. I suppose there are some people so desperate for Jones to succeed that they will look for any excuse to excuse the inexcusable Gouranga. |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jan 26, 2019 20:56:57 GMT
I personally thought taking him off was the right decision. The lad is truly woeful and could of costed us another goal. However replacing him with Sorensen was mind boggling. Surely put clucas to left back and bring Bojan on. Drop Allen with Etebo and push Bojan to the tip. Not that close to half time. That was shit and stank of look at me and then he brought Crouch on Deary me |
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Post by slicko on Jan 26, 2019 20:57:26 GMT
Ckufing sith today, hated every minute of that crap.
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, if he was he needs to get a fucking grip 
