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Post by redstriper on Jan 27, 2019 13:22:42 GMT
I got dogs abuse on here last week for saying it was laughable that NJ was suddenly the messiah after 1 win. Apparently he deserved all the credit for masterful tactics against leeds and none of the blame for brentford and shrewsbury. Therefore, as the OP is saying, he must also deserve the criticism for this weeks risible effort.
The leeds result looked like a fluke to me given we had 29% possession at home, the two games before and yesterdays garbage suggest this also.
I'm not getting on his back, just pointing out the hypocrisy from some on here.
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Post by palerider on Jan 27, 2019 13:33:42 GMT
Tymon been dog shit from day one,absolute shocking decision to play him Banks statue would of made more effort to stop the ball coming in for the first goal
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 27, 2019 13:46:49 GMT
I got dogs abuse on here last week for saying it was laughable that NJ was suddenly the messiah after 1 win. Apparently he deserved all the credit for masterful tactics against leeds and none of the blame for brentford and shrewsbury. Therefore, as the OP is saying, he must also deserve the criticism for this weeks risible effort. The leeds result looked like a fluke to me given we had 29% possession at home, the two games before and yesterdays garbage suggest this also. I'm not getting on his back, just pointing out the hypocrisy from some on here. "hypocrisy from some on here"......... .............never
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Post by mozzer on Jan 27, 2019 13:48:47 GMT
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Post by mozzer on Jan 27, 2019 13:50:01 GMT
Jones appointment is a joke history will show that he was picked as a cheap option to get fans off back to buy into the idea the club needs time to get rid of all the dross etc there by giving the board and idiots running club time he is out of his depth If we wanted cheap we wouldn't have paid another club for their manager, there were plenty of options without a club. Yep, just like we did with Lambert when our prem survival was hanging by a thread
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Post by pistol on Jan 27, 2019 14:03:54 GMT
Sounds like I was lucky to miss the match today. I was busy attending Prayers for the Nation, maybe Nathan should have joined us? I understand the 3 CBs, 2 WB system but for it to work you need to have two WBs who are good enough to be FBs and good enough to be wingers. If they aren't it doesn't work. In fact I would go further and say they not only have to be excellent defenders and can beat a man and centre, they also need to be fast and supremely fit to keep getting up and down the pitch. We have never had and player good enough to do that although I accept Chelsea turned Moses into a good WB after he left us. There have been a number of posters on here who have said for some time that our season is over, especially after losing to Shrewsbury, I think I am now coming round to that point of view, I hope NJ proves me wrong. I have always hung on to the hope we can turn things around, I did last season until it was a certainty BUT I have to admit that we now have no chance of making the play-offs it would take a miracle and we just aren't that lucky. I would love to proved wrong but in all honesty can anyone see it happening? Gouranga. Why the hell do you want us to go up this season. If we are as bad as you say then one close season of transfers isn’t going to be enough to avoid a season of hideous defeats
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Post by deadwait on Jan 27, 2019 14:11:41 GMT
Tymon's facial and body language suggested to me that he was shocked to be substituted. It was so close to half time that I think the Manager was making a point. Yes, Tymon was terrible but I felt it was almost a humiliation.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2019 14:28:23 GMT
Can no one see the shambles this squad is. It was shocking as we dropped from the Prem. It's garbage now. Surely the powers that be can see it. Rubbish players on long contracts. Heads must roll. We are far too soft a touch as a football club. Someone has got to man up, and somehow shift the shite! This is nowhere near good enough for this great club. Finger out somebody, please!!!!!!!!!
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Post by nott1 on Jan 27, 2019 15:25:11 GMT
One thing is now certain......we ain't makin' no playoffs.
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Post by Miles Offside on Jan 27, 2019 18:40:44 GMT
I can remember for along time. Right from the word go it was bad, picking Tymon at LB when he was dreadful against Shrewsbury, Clucas keeping his place in the side after some of the most abject displays barring his goal against Leeds he had been woeful. Playing a back 5 just because we were lucky with it last week - that's Hughes, Lambert, Rowett now Jones who've tried it and its shite. Subbing Tymon with less than 3 minutes to half time, the lads head dropped so low the worms were winking at him, he could have waited until half time surely. No game plan no urgency and whatever tactics he was using were baffling to everyone around me and I still can't fathom them out over 3 hours after the game. Nothing seemed to change at half time either except that BMI appeared to be our LWB. The subs were just as clueless, taking off Campbell instead of Afobe and replacing him with the goal machine McClean when we needed to score then subbing Afobe for Crouch we then had to rely on a 37 year old beanpole who's lost the ability to jump to try and get us into the game our only recognised striker on the pitch. Still no one seemed to know what tactics or system we were trying to play. This was fucking Preston at home and we looked clueless, the manager looked clueless, the crowd looked shocked and bewildered and nothing happened to change what was being dished up on the pitch. I am prepared to give Jones a bit of time for him to deliver his "fast, exciting, attacking" brand of football but it can't be acceptable to be served up much more of what was witnessed today or the honeymoon period will be a very short lived one. Gouranga. I agree with most of that, except the bit about Leeds. I thought the tactics against Leeds, unlike the tactics yesterday, were spot on. NJ's performance last week was worthy of praise, yesterday it was worthy of criticism. I still hope he's the guy to improve us, but yesterday showed just how much he's got on his plate.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2019 18:51:11 GMT
Can no one see the shambles this squad is. It was shocking as we dropped from the Prem. It's garbage now. Surely the powers that be can see it. Rubbish players on long contracts. Heads must roll. We are far too soft a touch as a football club. Someone has got to man up, and somehow shift the shite! This is nowhere near good enough for this great club. Finger out somebody, please!!!!!!!!! I would agree, but coming in as a new man, Jones has little choice but playing the dinosaurs we have.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 27, 2019 18:58:54 GMT
As a matter of interest what did people expect , he’s been a manager just a couple of years ,he’s never managed at this level or higher , he’s youngish more mailable and much cheaper than any elite option , he is going to make mistakes .it was a guranteed roller coaster which may well get much much worse before the hoped for improvement . He was selected by those running a process who had just made two catastrophic appointments in 12 months . He is very likeable and understandably naive he is doing exactly what his CV suggests he would , if people have an issue with that look to those who own endorse and run the process that selected him and the players at his disposal . One of the country’s leading football writers told me last week that Jones has turned down a number of clubs and is widely regarded as one of the highest potential young mangers. He felt we had done really well to get him I’m sure that’s the case , and I love his attitude , but he is Young and inexperienced that means mistakes are inevitable so we just have to stick with it however bad it gets , as the owners were persuaded or believed or both that he was the best option. this one categorically cannot be thrown under the bus by the “artful dodgers “
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Post by kelw on Jan 27, 2019 19:07:45 GMT
Tymon been dog shit from day one,absolute shocking decision to play him Banks statue would of made more effort to stop the ball coming in for the first goal Absolutely- am all for giving youngsters games if they earn it but he has looked totally out of his depth. I know players need experience etc but why throw him in for this game and then replace him with another youngster in a game like this?
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Post by potterenfrance on Jan 27, 2019 19:15:16 GMT
Gone through plenty of players and managers in a short period now. Don't accept they can all be shot. The problem is elsewhere. Too easy to just say all the players are sit and lazy lol
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Post by potterenfrance on Jan 27, 2019 19:15:29 GMT
Shit lol
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Post by harrysburrow on Jan 27, 2019 19:17:09 GMT
This talk about not making the playoffs. We've had a new, extremely positive and enthusiastic manager for the last few weeks and during that time (Leeds game aside) we've been completely outplayed by Brentford and Preston and lost to Shrewsbury in the cup. It's very much a case of safety first now.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jan 27, 2019 19:33:33 GMT
This talk about not making the playoffs. We've had a new, extremely positive and enthusiastic manager for the last few weeks and during that time (Leeds game aside) we've been completely outplayed by Brentford and Preston and lost to Shrewsbury in the cup. It's very much a case of safety first now. Well put. 4 games is no length of time to judge but what do you do? You can only comment on what as happened and for 3 out of 4 games we’ve been very very shakey. And out played for most. Worrying, but hopefully come May we’ll be in a good place looking forward to 19/20 season.
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Post by starkiller on Jan 27, 2019 19:37:39 GMT
Taking Tymon off before half time was very poor management. Injury or not he looked distraught Very poor Mr Jones He needs to man up a bit then. As do many of the others.
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Post by starkiller on Jan 27, 2019 19:40:56 GMT
I have always hung on to the hope we can turn things around, I did last season until it was a certainty BUT I have to admit that we now have no chance of making the play-offs it would take a miracle and we just aren't that lucky. I would love to proved wrong but in all honesty can anyone see it happening? I hope to god that we don’t make the playoffs, as it would just be papering over the cracks ! The best that I could hope for is gain some momentum into the summer break. Give Nathan the close season to recruit his own players and to coach his philosophies but most importantly move on the deadwood and also say adios amigo to the player that will constantly be a thorn in his side as long that he remains in the background ! Can anyone honestly see Stoke in the Premier League next season ? What would we be trying to beat Derby’s points record, being constantly thrashed by the dregs of the League ? It would probably cause more financial problems than its worth, and what would it do to the morale and loyalty of the fans ? The best way is to completely rebuild this clubs footballing culture from the first team right down to the juniors, this job needs doing right no matter how long it takes. You don't make the playoffs by 'papering over the cracks' You're either good enough, or you're not. And currently we are not. What next, winning the league by 'papering over the cracks'?'
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Post by onefatcopper on Jan 27, 2019 19:50:15 GMT
I hope to god that we don’t make the playoffs, as it would just be papering over the cracks ! The best that I could hope for is gain some momentum into the summer break. Give Nathan the close season to recruit his own players and to coach his philosophies but most importantly move on the deadwood and also say adios amigo to the player that will constantly be a thorn in his side as long that he remains in the background ! Can anyone honestly see Stoke in the Premier League next season ? What would we be trying to beat Derby’s points record, being constantly thrashed by the dregs of the League ? It would probably cause more financial problems than its worth, and what would it do to the morale and loyalty of the fans ? The best way is to completely rebuild this clubs footballing culture from the first team right down to the juniors, this job needs doing right no matter how long it takes. You don't make the playoffs by 'papering over the cracks' You're either good enough, or you're not. And currently we are not. What next, winning the league by 'papering over the cracks'?' It’s politely called Bullshiting a willing public that everything is rosy in the garden ! And what’s even worse is that the public believes the shit that’s being served .
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 27, 2019 20:15:34 GMT
Tymon been dog shit from day one,absolute shocking decision to play him Banks statue would of made more effort to stop the ball coming in for the first goal Absolutely- am all for giving youngsters games if they earn it but he has looked totally out of his depth. I know players need experience etc but why throw him in for this game and then replace him with another youngster in a game like this? He may have looked totally out of his depth, but remember he has played for two premier League clubs, (us and Hull) so he not an absolute novice and the manager would not have given him a chance if he did not think he was ready. He is a left back being asked to step in as a wing back, and consequently his positioning was bad. I think NJ decided to stick with the same formation as Leeds but was thrown by Adam being injured and made the error of picking Tymon. Hopefully NJ is learning fast what resources he has got. Next week expect to see Fletcher being given a chance.
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Post by kjpt140v on Jan 27, 2019 20:38:27 GMT
I can remember for along time. Right from the word go it was bad, picking Tymon at LB when he was dreadful against Shrewsbury, Clucas keeping his place in the side after some of the most abject displays barring his goal against Leeds he had been woeful. Playing a back 5 just because we were lucky with it last week - that's Hughes, Lambert, Rowett now Jones who've tried it and its shite. Subbing Tymon with less than 3 minutes to half time, the lads head dropped so low the worms were winking at him, he could have waited until half time surely. No game plan no urgency and whatever tactics he was using were baffling to everyone around me and I still can't fathom them out over 3 hours after the game. Nothing seemed to change at half time either except that BMI appeared to be our LWB. The subs were just as clueless, taking off Campbell instead of Afobe and replacing him with the goal machine McClean when we needed to score then subbing Afobe for Crouch we then had to rely on a 37 year old beanpole who's lost the ability to jump to try and get us into the game our only recognised striker on the pitch. Still no one seemed to know what tactics or system we were trying to play. This was fucking Preston at home and we looked clueless, the manager looked clueless, the crowd looked shocked and bewildered and nothing happened to change what was being dished up on the pitch. I am prepared to give Jones a bit of time for him to deliver his "fast, exciting, attacking" brand of football but it can't be acceptable to be served up much more of what was witnessed today or the honeymoon period will be a very short lived one. Gouranga. Here we go, zzzzzzz
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Post by kjpt140v on Jan 27, 2019 20:45:00 GMT
I can remember for along time. Right from the word go it was bad, picking Tymon at LB when he was dreadful against Shrewsbury, Clucas keeping his place in the side after some of the most abject displays barring his goal against Leeds he had been woeful. Playing a back 5 just because we were lucky with it last week - that's Hughes, Lambert, Rowett now Jones who've tried it and its shite. Subbing Tymon with less than 3 minutes to half time, the lads head dropped so low the worms were winking at him, he could have waited until half time surely. No game plan no urgency and whatever tactics he was using were baffling to everyone around me and I still can't fathom them out over 3 hours after the game. Nothing seemed to change at half time either except that BMI appeared to be our LWB. The subs were just as clueless, taking off Campbell instead of Afobe and replacing him with the goal machine McClean when we needed to score then subbing Afobe for Crouch we then had to rely on a 37 year old beanpole who's lost the ability to jump to try and get us into the game our only recognised striker on the pitch. Still no one seemed to know what tactics or system we were trying to play. This was fucking Preston at home and we looked clueless, the manager looked clueless, the crowd looked shocked and bewildered and nothing happened to change what was being dished up on the pitch. I am prepared to give Jones a bit of time for him to deliver his "fast, exciting, attacking" brand of football but it can't be acceptable to be served up much more of what was witnessed today or the honeymoon period will be a very short lived one. Gouranga. Didn't you advocate Phil Brown ROFL
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Post by tony1234 on Jan 27, 2019 22:11:14 GMT
You might argue that. But it would be bat-shit mental. There was a golden generation until 2012. How we failed to build on the 2012 team is unbelievable. The most expensive team we have ever had in the history of stoke city and we’ve ended up with this lot. Was there? There has not been any forward thinking about recruitment and player development for years. A series of ready made pros were signed to do a job but with no sell on value. Even when we have sold for a profit we haven't maximised the value with one exception. A club like Stoke City being the 6th highest net spenders (I think that is correct) in the PL when we were there tells you all you need to know about our recruitment. The process was flawed under Pulis, the club tried to fix it and made the biggest balls up of it in history. We're now paying the price. Nicely encapsulated.
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Post by itsajoytobeapotter on Jan 28, 2019 6:24:54 GMT
Taking Tymon off before half time was very poor management. Injury or not he looked distraught Very poor Mr Jones Tymon didn't look injured at the time, he was shaking his head and gesturing why with both his hands held out, the lad looked shocked and almost in tears, I just hope it doesn't destroy any confidence he has. Almost 43 minutes on the clock surely he could have waited 2 minutes then put his arm around him in the dressing room and explained what he was intending to do and why. . Gouranga. I agree the timing was ridiculous but let's face it the player isn't and never will be good enough. It's no coincidence that the first goal came from a move down his side and his attempt at defending it was non existent.
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Post by bossthemidfield on Jan 28, 2019 12:02:34 GMT
Tymon didn't look injured at the time, he was shaking his head and gesturing why with both his hands held out, the lad looked shocked and almost in tears, I just hope it doesn't destroy any confidence he has. Almost 43 minutes on the clock surely he could have waited 2 minutes then put his arm around him in the dressing room and explained what he was intending to do and why. . Gouranga. I agree the timing was ridiculous but let's face it the player isn't and never will be good enough. It's no coincidence that the first goal came from a move down his side and his attempt at defending it was non existent. To be fair to Tymon, Bruno should have had that side covered.... he left the lad in no mans land all the time, he is the experienced player and he didn’t help Tymon one bit. We were slow, inefective and downright digshite all game. What a difference a week makes eh?
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