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Post by loosestools on Jan 26, 2019 22:01:38 GMT
Taking Tymon off before half time was very poor management. Injury or not he looked distraught Very poor Mr Jones Injury or not? So are you suggesting that Jones should have kept him on even if injured, just to avoid hurting his feeling? He’s a professional footballer for fucks sake, not some fucking child who was on the pitch as some sort of Jim’ll Fix It case. Well he played like one whilst he was on the pitch! He was awful.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jan 26, 2019 22:03:17 GMT
It was a bizarre display all round today.
I predicted a 2 1 defeat. It’s stoke, it was written in the stars we would lose.
But that aside, Jones did make some utterly perplexing decisions before and through the game.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 26, 2019 22:04:28 GMT
Jones appointment is a joke history will show that he was picked as a cheap option to get fans off back to buy into the idea the club needs time to get rid of all the dross etc there by giving the board and idiots running club time he is out of his depth If we wanted cheap we wouldn't have paid another club for their manager, there were plenty of options without a club.
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Post by expectedtoulouse on Jan 26, 2019 22:04:28 GMT
Tymon is not ready. Send him on loan to League 1 for a season and then lets look at him.
Let’s have a look at Ryan Sweeney next season now he’s learnt his trade in the lower leagues rather than the half arsed non-contact U23s.
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Jan 26, 2019 22:06:32 GMT
Fuck off. Just fuck off He’s testing out the squad. If you can’t see that you’re a stupid cunt Fuck this season off and post the same this time next year. We’ll be top of the championship. 5 points clear Testing out the squad? How many times do our managers have to bring on Crouch before they get it into their thick skulls that he’s just not effective anymore? Meanwhile Bojan is left on the bench along with Ince when we are crying out for some creativity!
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jan 26, 2019 22:08:00 GMT
Utter fucking clueless waffle. Pugs Not quite as “pointed” your comment. No manager can (or should) shoulder the blame for a generally lethargic (diplomatic) performance by a high % of players whose overall play was sloppy and non commital to say the least. My thread isn't about how shit the players were today (I'll leave that for others to post), it was solely about how poor the management was today, anyone who thinks that the manager did a good job today is IMHO deluded. I can't think of a single decision he got right today - can you? If Hughes, Lambert or Rowett had been in charge of that debacle they would have faced the full force of the vitriol and venom of this board, Jones was responsible for it so IMO it needs to be said I just hope he knows how to stop it happening again and learns from his mistakes. It really comes to something when people keep saying how badly we missed Adam today fucking hell he's played 2 games and it isn't as though there aren't any other options in centre midfield. Gouranga.
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Post by steewee on Jan 26, 2019 22:08:15 GMT
Agree with the OP
Dismal display and absolutely awful start to what could be a very short career with Stoke.
Awful, low league expertise shining right through
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Jan 26, 2019 22:10:37 GMT
It was obvious before the match that if we gave Gallagher time and space he would dictate the pace of the game and tear us apart AGAIN. So guess what we did! Is it too much to ask our management to set out a method of nullifying his effectiveness?
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Post by loosestools on Jan 26, 2019 22:12:59 GMT
Pugs Not quite as “pointed” your comment. No manager can (or should) shoulder the blame for a generally lethargic (diplomatic) performance by a high % of players whose overall play was sloppy and non commital to say the least. My thread isn't about how shit the players were today (I'll leave that for others to post), it was solely about how poor the management was today, anyone who thinks that the manager did a good job today is IMHO deluded. I can't think of a single decision he got right today - can you? If Hughes, Lambert or Rowett had been in charge of that debacle they would have faced the full force of the vitriol and venom of this board, Jones was responsible for it so IMO it needs to be said I just hope he knows how to stop it happening again and learns from his mistakes. It really comes to something when people keep saying how badly we missed Adam today fucking hell he's played 2 games and it isn't as though there aren't any other options in centre midfield. Gouranga. Albert, spot on. We have not moved on since Hughes was sacked, and I couldn't do with him. We cannot rely on Charlie Adam alone to pull us out of this mess.
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Post by jontimmis on Jan 26, 2019 22:16:52 GMT
I didn’t go the game, but when I heard Tymon started I was like what?! And then when I heard him bring him off, I was like wtf!
At the end of the day that’s all Jones own doing. Poor very poor.
That mighty Preston beat us at home.
I’m beginning to hate our football club, lol!!
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 26, 2019 22:23:08 GMT
I didn’t go the game, but when I heard Tymon started I was like what?! And then when I heard him bring him off, I was like wtf! At the end of the day that’s all Jones own doing. Poor very poor. That mighty Preston beat us at home.
I’m beginning to hate our football club, lol!! As bad as we were I thought Preston were excellent. In fact I'd go as far as to say they were the best team I've seen at home this season and in all honesty they outclassed us in every department today. Gallagher ran the game and Potts and Browne caused us problems all game.
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Post by jontimmis on Jan 26, 2019 22:36:45 GMT
Don’t want to make a big deal of it, but it’s a good job we are 15 points above relegation.
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Post by eriksson74 on Jan 26, 2019 22:43:34 GMT
Taking Tymon off before half time was very poor management. Injury or not he looked distraught Very poor Mr Jones Thought it was good strong management to be honest. Tyson was weak, tough shit if he was distraught he wasn't up to helping stoke win a game if football.
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Jan 26, 2019 22:46:42 GMT
Taking Tymon off before half time was very poor management. Injury or not he looked distraught Very poor Mr Jones Thought it was good strong management to be honest. Tyson was weak, tough shit if he was distraught he wasn't up to helping stoke win a game if football. Was that Mike Tyson or Tyson Fury?
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Post by marcofstoke on Jan 26, 2019 22:48:21 GMT
Fuck off. Just fuck off He’s testing out the squad. If you can’t see that you’re a stupid cunt Fuck this season off and post the same this time next year. We’ll be top of the championship. 5 points clear Does your mummy and daddy know you're using the internet after your bed time? Gouranga. I agree with his sentiment though! He’s been here just over TWO weeks, give the bloke a chance FFS I have every confidence that he will sort things out but it will take time
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Post by tony1234 on Jan 26, 2019 22:59:01 GMT
He is shuffling around 5-6 decent players and then trying to patch up a side with has-beens and youngsters who've not proven themselves even in the league below; then add in Rowett's transfer choices.
We all know the characteristics of the league - you go a long way with 11 good, fit, disciplined pros and 3-4 who add quality in front of goal. You get yourself organised. You can beat and lose to anyone, but over 46 games, the superior quality pays off, along with fact you've made fewer mistakes than your opponents. But you do need a few formulae for getting goals and players who can make and take a chance, as well as a system when you don't have the ball.
The name of the game is consistency though - so its no good showing flashes. Players need to reach a good performance level 4 games in 5, 8 times in 10.
Edwards, Tymon, Cuco, Fletcher, Campbell, Maclean, Shawx (sadly), Beharinho, Bojan,... and probably Adam... are never going to be them
NJ (or anyone)'s job is futile until he gets 11 Championship ready pros including 3-4 players who can create and make a chance.
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Post by marcofstoke on Jan 26, 2019 23:03:36 GMT
Jones appointment is a joke history will show that he was picked as a cheap option to get fans off back to buy into the idea the club needs time to get rid of all the dross etc there by giving the board and idiots running club time he is out of his depth Come back and say it this time next year, I’ve got a feeling you are going to look very stupid.
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Post by fisty lizard on Jan 26, 2019 23:15:06 GMT
Today was another huge eye opener for Jones, much like Brentford was into what he has at his disposable and player adaptability. If he’s as astute and clever as he talks, he’ll learn from this to insure things will change going forward.
Keep the faith 🙄
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Post by robstokie on Jan 27, 2019 0:01:29 GMT
Just where do we start?
Firstly, the shape - 3-5-2 might work against a side such as Leeds who will come out gung-ho and offer us the chances to hit them on the break, but when you are playing a team that will sit 2 banks of 4 behind the ball, it won't work, particularly considering the back 3 didn't look to get the ball forward with any real urgency or had the vision to pick out the wing-backs when they were in acres of space almost looking scared to lose it, the few times we did play incisive passes, we won throw ins and set pieces higher up the pitch, the midfield 3 were sat too deep, isolated from the front pair and didn't look to get into space between their 2 banks of 4 or offer an outlet and the two up top played too far apart to complement or link up with each other. Today's game was crying out for Bojan, who could pick the ball up in those spaces, run at the centre-halves and create more space and options for the front pair and pin them back - it would have been worth sacrificing a centre-half as we would have been under less pressure as we would be making the play further up.
However, it's not just about the shape. Why did NJ go with Tymon as a wing-back? Granted, Charlie was injured (NJs reasoning of pushing Clucas inside) and Erik wasn't even on bench, but why not a) change back to a diamond and Play Indi at lb (even though it's not ideal) and revert to the diamond with Woods at base, or, if we had to go with 3 at the back, play Clucas at wing-back, Allen deep, Etebo to bring ball out and Bojan/Ince at 10. And why was the poor kid hauled off before half-time? Granted he was out of his depth (as always, particularly as a wing back with no protection in front of him) but just take him off at h/t and don't hang him out to dry by dragging him off Why is Clucas playing through the middle? Hi is positionally dodgy, tackles clumsily and makes poor choices in possession. And just why are we bringing on Jimmy Mac at 1-0 down to effectively play as a 10? He puts himself about, but he hardly has the quality to break down teams. Why was Campbell hauled off instead of Afobe when, quite frankly, Afobe offered fuck all and looked like he couldn't be fucking bothered? And Crouch? Particularly when we are going to just launch aimless hoofs in his general direction that most half-decent pub centre backs can deal with.
Ultimately though, the thing that showed today was the lack of grit, nous and passion our over-paid and hyped, yet under performing side showed. It was quite frankly pathetic - apart from Etebo and Bauer (and Jimmy Mac when he came on). No one else bust a gut to beat a man, close down in any area of the pitch or looked to step up to the plate and fight for it.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jan 27, 2019 0:09:07 GMT
Jones' reaction to the second goal was a thing of beauty. He encapsulated almost everything that I was thinking at the time in a series of wonderfully animated actions.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jan 27, 2019 0:11:26 GMT
If Tymon was injured you take him off no matter it's just before half time. If it was purely tactical it was a dreadful decision Was it fuck. The bloke was wank, at fault for the goal and offered nothing all half. At least he had the balls make the change when he saw it was necessary.
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Post by generationex on Jan 27, 2019 0:13:35 GMT
You cannot over come 5 years of recruitment incompetence in 2 weeks.
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Jan 27, 2019 0:18:34 GMT
Fuck off. Just fuck off He’s testing out the squad. If you can’t see that you’re a stupid cunt Fuck this season off and post the same this time next year. We’ll be top of the championship. 5 points clear Are you alright pal? SGS
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 27, 2019 0:23:30 GMT
You cannot over come 5 years of recruitment incompetence in 2 weeks. I'd argue 15 years, bar the odd few...
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Post by generationex on Jan 27, 2019 1:05:43 GMT
You might argue that. But it would be bat-shit mental.
There was a golden generation until 2012.
How we failed to build on the 2012 team is unbelievable.
The most expensive team we have ever had in the history of stoke city and we’ve ended up with this lot.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jan 27, 2019 1:10:58 GMT
You cannot over come 5 years of recruitment incompetence in 2 weeks. I'd argue 15 years, bar the odd few... That would make our last good set of dealings the ones in 2004. Some excellent signings there... Dave Brammer Free 07 Jul, 2004 Steve Simonsen Free 08 Jul, 2004 Steve Guppy Free 13 Sep, 2004 Adam Vass Signed 01 Nov, 2004 Lewis Buxton Free 23 Dec, 2004 Anthony Pulis Free 23 Dec, 2004 We also signed Gerry Taggart in February 2003, so it wasn't all bad!
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Post by onefatcopper on Jan 27, 2019 1:21:39 GMT
I'd argue 15 years, bar the odd few... That would make our last good set of dealings the ones in 2004. Some excellent signings there... Dave Brammer Free 07 Jul, 2004 Steve Simonsen Free 08 Jul, 2004 Steve Guppy Free 13 Sep, 2004 Adam Vass Signed 01 Nov, 2004 Lewis Buxton Free 23 Dec, 2004 Anthony Pulis Free 23 Dec, 2004 We also signed Gerry Taggart in February 2003, so it wasn't all bad! I plead my ignorance with this one, did we honestly sign Steve Guppy ? Where was I ? Did he make a appearance and who was running the show ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2019 1:29:16 GMT
Don’t want to make a big deal of it, but it’s a good job we are 15 points above relegation. Why? we can be caught if we continue to make things easy for our opponents.
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Post by robboleek on Jan 27, 2019 8:21:59 GMT
BMI at LWB was comical to be honest. Not wanting GR back but people slammed his weird team selections. You won’t get much weirder than yesterday.....
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Post by shrewspotter on Jan 27, 2019 8:23:49 GMT
you don't need the manager to destroy Tymons confidence Albert when you post what you do. You do it for him Absolute fucking bollocks. I posted that he was dreadful (not the only one albeit) against Shrewsbury that's it. I didn't haul him off before half time in front of 25k supporters when the substitution could have happened 2 minutes later in the dressing room with an explanation as to why. I suppose there are some people so desperate for Jones to succeed that they will look for any excuse to excuse the inexcusable Gouranga. Ok I guess I was a bit ott so I apologise. it just rankles me when our fans single out Tymon, if not Tymon, then Edwards, then it will be Campbell and Sorensen. I know Tymon is no Roberto Carlos but he may still make a very decent full back in my opinion, he’s very young and needs our support along with of course the managers. I actually agree that taking him off towards the end of the half was a poor thing to do from Jones and now he will have to build him back up. For what it’s worth I didn’t think he was too bad, he even got by his man on the byline on one occasion For me the senior pros need to pull their socks up, they should shoulder the blame
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