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Post by oslostokie1 on Aug 18, 2018 1:37:49 GMT
He presided over three consecutive 9th place finishes whilst playing the best football in my 43 years experience. As the dust settles on last year’s debacle, his time with us will be looked back upon with far more fondness. He was also always very complimentary of the less than stellar set of players he was left with, and introduced the flair which Pulis teams lacked. That blend of Pulis best players together with those he introduced gave us a winning blend which led to the best football we have seen for many a year in his second season with us. Rowett has not been left a bad hand at Championship level and together with the significant investment he has had should be getting a far better tune out of them sooner rather than later. Not this bollox again. What the truth you mean? You make yourself look foolish when you question something which actually happened on three consecutive occasions. By all means question posters opinions, but when they post facts, as I have done, at least think twice before posting really stupid responses. And I mean seriously stupid
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 18, 2018 8:58:11 GMT
Like Mills all them years ago Mark was most productive at transfers when he had to wheel and deal and scavenge for bargains. Also like Mills it went tits up when he got a budget to work with. He was out of a job for a while after being fired by QPR so he had plenty of time on his hands to scout diamonds in the rough. As a result Stoke signed on the cheap several players that were either out of favor, injury-prone or both (e.g Bojan, Arni, Affelay, Diouf). He plucked the low hanging fruit and it worked well for a time. However, it wasn’t sustainable when he had to put in a full day’s work because he’s fundamentally lazy and delegated all the heavy lifting to les incompetents. They spent a lot of money on players that they had obviously not scouted (5 minutes on the internet would have shown them that Imbula, Wimmer, and Berahino were going to be completely useless). This pattern will repeat itself until all the owners realize that he’s basically a fraud, stealing a living off his reputation as a player and his success as manager of Blackburn, which were both a long time ago. Again, that’s fundamentally not what happened.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 18, 2018 9:13:10 GMT
He may be a twat that’s subjective fact is he has finished outside the top ten twice in a dozen seasons in the premier league , if Rowett who has never managed in the premier league , never won promotion , left tomorrow who of that calibre would come and work in these circumstances for the money on offer . Hughes may have lost his way but his track record over the long term is miles better than the incumbent or anyone else we have been linked with . Rodgers lost his way at Liverpool , Martinez at Everton , clough at Notts forest , keegan at Newcastle , Redknapp at West Ham . Bruce at Sunderland , O’Neil at Sunderland ,Conte at Chelsea , but let’s not kid ourselves we improved by sacking Hughes , the question is what caused a proven manager to lose his way
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Post by milky on Aug 18, 2018 9:25:45 GMT
Like Mills all them years ago Mark was most productive at transfers when he had to wheel and deal and scavenge for bargains. Also like Mills it went tits up when he got a budget to work with. He was out of a job for a while after being fired by QPR so he had plenty of time on his hands to scout diamonds in the rough. As a result Stoke signed on the cheap several players that were either out of favor, injury-prone or both (e.g Bojan, Arni, Affelay, Diouf). He plucked the low hanging fruit and it worked well for a time. However, it wasn’t sustainable when he had to put in a full day’s work because he’s fundamentally lazy and delegated all the heavy lifting to les incompetents. They spent a lot of money on players that they had obviously not scouted (5 minutes on the internet would have shown them that Imbula, Wimmer, and Berahino were going to be completely useless). This pattern will repeat itself until all the owners realize that he’s basically a fraud, stealing a living off his reputation as a player and his success as manager of Blackburn, which were both a long time ago. History rewriting making stuff up complete horseshit.
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Post by lordb on Aug 18, 2018 9:27:56 GMT
He may be a twat that’s subjective fact is he has finished outside the top ten twice in a dozen seasons in the premier league , if Rowett who has never managed in the premier league , never won promotion , left tomorrow who of that calibre would come and work in these circumstances for the money on offer . Hughes may have lost his way but his track record over the long term is miles better than the incumbent or anyone else we have been linked with . Rodgers lost his way at Liverpool , Martinez at Everton , clough at Notts forest , keegan at Newcastle , Redknapp at West Ham . Bruce at Sunderland , O’Neil at Sunderland ,Conte at Chelsea , but let’s not kid ourselves we improved by sacking Hughes , the question is what caused a proven manager to lose his way Arrogance from the man himself, leading to complacency.
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Post by Gods on Aug 18, 2018 9:35:36 GMT
He presided over three consecutive 9th place finishes whilst playing the best football in my 43 years experience. As the dust settles on last year’s debacle, his time with us will be looked back upon with far more fondness. He was also always very complimentary of the less than stellar set of players he was left with, and introduced the flair which Pulis teams lacked. That blend of Pulis best players together with those he introduced gave us a winning blend which led to the best football we have seen for many a year in his second season with us. Rowett has not been left a bad hand at Championship level and together with the significant investment he has had should be getting a far better tune out of them sooner rather than later. Excellent post. I know it wasn't your main point of substance but you are right to point out what lengths Hughes went to when he first came to Stoke to point out what a tough minded set of players he had inherited from the Pulis team, the phrase he used I recall was players 'who knew what it took to win Premier League games' something like that anyway. He contrasted this with the the job lot of ridiculous fancy dans he had inherited at QPR. He took that base of players, gave them the confidence and license to express themselves, added some flare of his own and sprinkled some fairy dust on top and for 3 seasons we were really 'cooking' as you might say if you were in Crosby, Stills Nash and Young on the West Coast back in the day.
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Post by loosestools on Aug 18, 2018 9:39:38 GMT
He may be a twat that’s subjective fact is he has finished outside the top ten twice in a dozen seasons in the premier league , if Rowett who has never managed in the premier league , never won promotion , left tomorrow who of that calibre would come and work in these circumstances for the money on offer . Hughes may have lost his way but his track record over the long term is miles better than the incumbent or anyone else we have been linked with . Rodgers lost his way at Liverpool , Martinez at Everton , clough at Notts forest , keegan at Newcastle , Redknapp at West Ham . Bruce at Sunderland , O’Neil at Sunderland ,Conte at Chelsea , but let’s not kid ourselves we improved by sacking Hughes , the question is what caused a proven manager to lose his way Arrogance from the man himself, leading to complacency. A good point made by BB and I totally agree with lordb's assessment.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Aug 18, 2018 9:50:32 GMT
Leslie is great at getting more out of someone else's squad... ask me again how he's really doing at the end of the season, but the squad he's got there is well capable of top 10, and by the time he left, ours wasn't. That's it, really. What still puzzles the bejazus out of me is how good his early recruitment policy was here - ok there were mistakes but he added some cracking footballers to the Tone spine - amd how disastrously shite it was in his last two seasons, with the same key staff involved. I still feel like there's much more of a story to be told than we've yet heard (Martin Spinks if you're reading this, hiya... ). Like Mills all them years ago Mark was most productive at transfers when he had to wheel and deal and scavenge for bargains. Also like Mills it went tits up when he got a budget to work with. Yeah I always think of Mills when assessing the Hughes era. You can almost mirror it season by season. Had Mills been sacked at the end of his 4th season, he would have probably left with a half decent legacy (as would Hughes) Ironically enough, Mills's 2 big money signings before he left, Berty and Cranny, went on to become great servent for the club. Sadly the same ain't going to happen with Imbula, wimmer, Saido
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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 18, 2018 10:32:50 GMT
Like Mills all them years ago Mark was most productive at transfers when he had to wheel and deal and scavenge for bargains. Also like Mills it went tits up when he got a budget to work with. Yeah I always think of Mills when assessing the Hughes era. You can almost mirror it season by season. Had Mills been sacked at the end of his 4th season, he would have probably left with a half decent legacy (as would Hughes) Ironically enough, Mills's 2 big money signings before he left, Berty and Cranny, went on to become great servent for the club. Sadly the same ain't going to happen with Imbula, wimmer, Saido True mate. I really felt the ruthless way Pulis was sacked was driven by erroneously giving Mills the new contract in 1989. So when it was abundantly clear Mark had reached a dead end it seemed a formality a new manager would be brought in. Instead they fell into complacency, with their heads in the sand.
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Post by cousindupree on Aug 18, 2018 11:56:43 GMT
The bile that continues to be poured out at Hughes is agenda riven and unfair. Facts are facts and in the record books it shows we were for 3 years one of the top ten best teams in the country...some achievement. Let's not forget that his brief was to make us more adventurous and attractive and he achieved that with some style and actually very quickly. Achieved with a decent spend at Prem level. He got us within a coat of paint to winning at Anfield to make a cup final and his crowning glory surely was the 6-1 hammering in Gerrard's last game for Liverpool. A performance that was as good as anything we did in the Waddo years. We all know he stayed too long and maybe many of his transfer targets failed to materialised didn't help. ALL managers need replacing after 4 years to refresh ideas and motivate players and even the top sides do this. Compare Hughes with the woeful Lambert and the struggling Rowett, who with a pre-season and significant incomings doesn't appear to have instigated change or even a shred of improvement, it's no surprise that Hughes is still a Premier League manager, Lambert is jobless and back having tea and biscuits with his mum and Rowett struggling in the second tier of football.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 12:21:17 GMT
Hughes totally resurrected Arnautovic’s career. He should be grateful, if he’s not then it probably says more about Arnautovic...... Arnautovic resurrected his career not Hughes. He basically just got his head down and grew up a bit which coincided with him becoming a father if I remember rightly. Could have happened at any club he played for. You never saw the bollockings Hughes gave to Arnie in his first 2 years here, then. Arnie knew nothing about being a team player till Hughes made him work it out by constantly being on his case. He still doesn't know it at the shammers, which is why Hughes was his guding light for a time.
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Post by Absolution on Aug 18, 2018 12:40:09 GMT
It's good to see a bit of balance for once where Hughes is concerned. I enjoyed those first three seasons enormously.
With hindsight, it would have been best for him to have gone after his fourth season when we finished 13th. But even then, he could point to the fact that we finished 2 points away from 8th position after a season where we'd had a number of injuries including being without Butland for most of it.
I can't blame the board for thinking that season was a glitch and sticking with him at that time.
Anyone who believes he only did well because of the players he was left by Pulis can just suck it up really. There's no manager who had any success at any club in the first couple of years that didn't use a majority of the previous manager's players. That's how football works.
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Post by superheroantonius on Aug 18, 2018 13:24:51 GMT
It's good to see a bit of balance for once where Hughes is concerned. I enjoyed those first three seasons enormously. With hindsight, it would have been best for him to have gone after his fourth season when we finished 13th. But even then, he could point to the fact that we finished 2 points away from 8th position after a season where we'd had a number of injuries including being without Butland for most of it. I can't blame the board for thinking that season was a glitch and sticking with him at that time. Anyone who believes he only did well because of the players he was left by Pulis can just suck it up really. There's no manager who had any success at any club in the first couple of years that didn't use a majority of the previous manager's players. That's how football works. I have no agenda against Hughes , but it was not his job to do well with someone else's players . It was his job to do well with them and then bring in good players of his own , and with a couple of notable exceptions , he didn't .
Huth , Walters , Nzonzi , Whelan were players Hughes could choose to do well with, or sell , lots of clubs wanted them .
Lord knows why , but Hughes/ scholes and carto have lumbered the club with players on mega wages , we cannot sell ... berahino , wimmer , fletcher , imbula ...
That's poor management . It is not entirely Hughes fault, but it's poor , and it's making GR's job harder than Hughes's was .
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 18, 2018 14:09:33 GMT
It's good to see a bit of balance for once where Hughes is concerned. I enjoyed those first three seasons enormously. With hindsight, it would have been best for him to have gone after his fourth season when we finished 13th. But even then, he could point to the fact that we finished 2 points away from 8th position after a season where we'd had a number of injuries including being without Butland for most of it. I can't blame the board for thinking that season was a glitch and sticking with him at that time. Anyone who believes he only did well because of the players he was left by Pulis can just suck it up really. There's no manager who had any success at any club in the first couple of years that didn't use a majority of the previous manager's players. That's how football works. I have no agenda against Hughes , but it was not his job to do well with someone else's players . It was his job to do well with them and then bring in good players of his own , and with a couple of notable exceptions , he didn't .
Huth , Walters , Nzonzi , Whelan were players Hughes could choose to do well with, or sell , lots of clubs wanted them .
Lord knows why , but Hughes/ scholes and carto have lumbered the club with players on mega wages , we cannot sell ... berahino , wimmer , fletcher , imbula ...
That's poor management . It is not entirely Hughes fault, but it's poor , and it's making GR's job harder than Hughes's was .
It was his job to do well with Stoke City’s players, those he inherited and those he signed. And for about half his time here he did that extremely well, and for about half his time here he did it fairly atrociously. But the bad times don’t mean the good times never happened.
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Post by Absolution on Aug 18, 2018 14:12:07 GMT
It's good to see a bit of balance for once where Hughes is concerned. I enjoyed those first three seasons enormously. With hindsight, it would have been best for him to have gone after his fourth season when we finished 13th. But even then, he could point to the fact that we finished 2 points away from 8th position after a season where we'd had a number of injuries including being without Butland for most of it. I can't blame the board for thinking that season was a glitch and sticking with him at that time. Anyone who believes he only did well because of the players he was left by Pulis can just suck it up really. There's no manager who had any success at any club in the first couple of years that didn't use a majority of the previous manager's players. That's how football works. I have no agenda against Hughes , but it was not his job to do well with someone else's players . It was his job to do well with them and then bring in good players of his own , and with a couple of notable exceptions , he didn't .
Huth , Walters , Nzonzi , Whelan were players Hughes could choose to do well with, or sell , lots of clubs wanted them .
Lord knows why , but Hughes/ scholes and carto have lumbered the club with players on mega wages , we cannot sell ... berahino , wimmer , fletcher , imbula ...
That's poor management . It is not entirely Hughes fault, but it's poor , and it's making GR's job harder than Hughes's was .
I'm not excusing him for anything that happened in that last season or the poor signings in the latter half of the previous season. It was shocking. But you can't say he didn't perform well with his own or Pulis' players in that first three seasons. He bought in plenty of talent during that time and gave us some good football and very decent league positions. It went badly wrong and it left us in the shit, but re-writing the first three years to make his time here look far worse than it was serves no good purpose.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Aug 18, 2018 14:20:18 GMT
Did alright overall - positionally great for 3 seasons but completely and utterley lost the plot last 18 months of tenure - had to go providing we brought in someone who would improve results rapidly and save our bacon - enter Lambert and the rest history.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 14:20:57 GMT
I see he's working his early season magic at Southampton as well
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Post by stokief on Aug 18, 2018 14:25:42 GMT
I see he's working his early season magic at Southampton as well He's maybe going for the destruction of teams/ Clubs hat-trick
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 18, 2018 14:47:53 GMT
I see he's working his early season magic at Southampton as well Could have conceded six, apparently. Someone on BT pointed to a "porous' defence.
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Post by tribe on Aug 18, 2018 14:51:28 GMT
I see he's working his early season magic at Southampton as well He'll be ecstatic with a point last week
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Aug 18, 2018 14:54:56 GMT
How smug is he looking right now?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 15:06:55 GMT
How smug is he looking right now? not very... clearly
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 18, 2018 15:19:54 GMT
Coming back into it, now. 2-1.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 15:24:24 GMT
I see he's working his early season magic at Southampton as well Could have conceded six, apparently. Someone on BT pointed to a "porous' defence. That's most unlike a Hughes side
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 15:25:00 GMT
I see he's working his early season magic at Southampton as well He'll be ecstatic with a point last week Clearly.
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Post by greenhoff on Aug 18, 2018 15:33:20 GMT
Southampton growing into the season
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Post by kidcrewbob on Aug 18, 2018 15:37:16 GMT
Southampton growing into the season Slow start - they'll be fine .......
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Post by chumley on Aug 19, 2018 9:10:40 GMT
Complaining that for last two games Southampton haven't been in the game for the first half and only started playing for the second, now why does that sound familiar, the rot is set in already and Everton fan said he has turned them into Stoke already, obviously getting better at his job...
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Post by miltonpotterfan on Aug 19, 2018 9:25:34 GMT
Why are people so bitter towards Hughes?
We played some of the best football I’ve seen and some of the players he got join, were amazing.
You should be venting your anger elsewhere.
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Post by rondogmcmuffin on Aug 19, 2018 9:28:17 GMT
Why are people so bitter towards Hughes? We played some of the best football I’ve seen and some of the players he got join, were amazing. You should be venting your anger elsewhere. My general feeling towards Hughes is meh, thanks for the memories. He's a smug bugger, who never learns from his mistakes though, and because I'm still bitter about relegation I want him to fail and relegate Southampton. That being said I want 2 thirds of the premier league to get relegated
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