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Post by wadey on Aug 14, 2018 23:16:14 GMT
Anybody noticed how many of our players he's come in for....
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wadey
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Post by wadey on Aug 14, 2018 23:16:38 GMT
Anybody noticed how many of our players he's come in for....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 4:30:11 GMT
What do you think happened after the Liverpool thrashing? Have you considered that LMH (OBE) might have wanted to move onwards and upwards? Have you considered that SCFC might have said to him "Well now hold on a bit here Les, we are quite comfortable sitting mid table in the best League in the world". Les replies that he wants more..... So Les gets slapped down and plods on. Arnie spots what has happened here - and out comes the famous quote "Lack of ambition". We have all seen what happened next. LMH (OBE) is a very good manager. I'm sorry but people like PFL and GR are not even in his class. Rightio.. I'll have some of what your having, describing Hughes as a 'very good manager! What's he ever won or achieved in football management? He slides in to new jobs leaving a trail of destruction behind him whereever he's been. I'm no fan in the slightest of Joey Barton but his views on Hughes I do concur with. & to use an Arnie quote in the same subject as Hughes is farcical.. If Hughes & Arnie were singing off the same hymn sheet why has Arnie got nothing but contempt running through his veins towards LMH OBE (as you insist on calling him?! Hughes presided over our pre season & squad transfers in summer of 2017-18 & ultimately saw us slump & fail in the league, league cup & FA Cup with a squad that was & should of been more than capable of holding its own.. A team that he ultimately resorted to adopting TP's players & tactics with on his final throw of the dice! Regardless of Off field boardroom politics Hughes quickly became out of his depth with no back up plan B or C & as a consequence we are where are. Wake up & smell the coffee if you insist on thinking he's so wonderful. Hughes totally resurrected Arnautovic’s career. He should be grateful, if he’s not then it probably says more about Arnautovic......
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Post by callas12 on Aug 15, 2018 7:53:31 GMT
Rightio.. I'll have some of what your having, describing Hughes as a 'very good manager! What's he ever won or achieved in football management? He slides in to new jobs leaving a trail of destruction behind him whereever he's been. I'm no fan in the slightest of Joey Barton but his views on Hughes I do concur with. & to use an Arnie quote in the same subject as Hughes is farcical.. If Hughes & Arnie were singing off the same hymn sheet why has Arnie got nothing but contempt running through his veins towards LMH OBE (as you insist on calling him?! Hughes presided over our pre season & squad transfers in summer of 2017-18 & ultimately saw us slump & fail in the league, league cup & FA Cup with a squad that was & should of been more than capable of holding its own.. A team that he ultimately resorted to adopting TP's players & tactics with on his final throw of the dice! Regardless of Off field boardroom politics Hughes quickly became out of his depth with no back up plan B or C & as a consequence we are where are. Wake up & smell the coffee if you insist on thinking he's so wonderful. Hughes totally resurrected Arnautovic’s career. He should be grateful, if he’s not then it probably says more about Arnautovic...... Your right in that Hughes did resurrect Arnautovic's career & guess we'll never fully know what caused the friction to lead to their ongoing spat with each other. Perhaps Arnie is justified in holding a grudge. Was his comment about lacking ambition aimed at Hughes & the signings he was making or was it purely coz he wanted a pay rise & a move to London? Maybe a combination of both. If it was aimed at Hughes maybe Hughes took offence to this & the rift began.. Either way whether it be the fault of Hughes, the club or a mixture of both, the club did lack ambition & for that we are now in the Championship.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 9:09:52 GMT
The Stoke City Board sacked Mark Hughes and we are now in the Championship. The Southampton Board appointed Mark Hughes and they are still in the PL. Which club got it right? Nowhere near as black and white as you paint it Geoff, and you know it!! Let’s see how long LMH lasts, he is still working with someone else’s defence, I’m not sure he is capable of building his own.
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Post by jjinks5 on Aug 15, 2018 10:08:55 GMT
Am I on my own. Does this guy actually exist. I've wiped him out of my world. Actually replying to this thread is minutes of life that I will never get back. We've had bad managers in the past and we will have them in the future. Glad he's gone.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 15, 2018 18:20:03 GMT
7.30 tonight, Premier League World on Sky. Mark Hughes looks ahead to Southampton's season, if anyone's interested 😉
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Aug 15, 2018 18:39:56 GMT
Rightio.. I'll have some of what your having, describing Hughes as a 'very good manager! What's he ever won or achieved in football management? He slides in to new jobs leaving a trail of destruction behind him whereever he's been. I'm no fan in the slightest of Joey Barton but his views on Hughes I do concur with. & to use an Arnie quote in the same subject as Hughes is farcical.. If Hughes & Arnie were singing off the same hymn sheet why has Arnie got nothing but contempt running through his veins towards LMH OBE (as you insist on calling him?! Hughes presided over our pre season & squad transfers in summer of 2017-18 & ultimately saw us slump & fail in the league, league cup & FA Cup with a squad that was & should of been more than capable of holding its own.. A team that he ultimately resorted to adopting TP's players & tactics with on his final throw of the dice! Regardless of Off field boardroom politics Hughes quickly became out of his depth with no back up plan B or C & as a consequence we are where are. Wake up & smell the coffee if you insist on thinking he's so wonderful. Hughes totally resurrected Arnautovic’s career. He should be grateful, if he’s not then it probably says more about Arnautovic...... Arnautovic resurrected his career not Hughes. He basically just got his head down and grew up a bit which coincided with him becoming a father if I remember rightly. Could have happened at any club he played for.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 15, 2018 18:41:46 GMT
Hughes totally resurrected Arnautovic’s career. He should be grateful, if he’s not then it probably says more about Arnautovic...... Arnautovic resurrected his career not Hughes. He basically just got his head down and grew up a bit which coincided with him becoming a father if I remember rightly. Could have happened at any club he played for. There wasn’t exactly a queue for him...
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Post by Miles Offside on Aug 15, 2018 18:48:50 GMT
Relegation aside, I'm not sure whether the damage that was done to the club during the last 18 months or so of his tenure was ever fully appreciated.
The total cost of his three big signings (all fees plus contracts) must've been around £100M. That's a lot of money for a club like Stoke. And all for next to no return on the pitch.
Then the club had to make other signings to replace these failures, which added another substantial cost.
And for a club that's supposedly striving for self-sufficiency, that punched a bloody big hole in the plan.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 22:07:33 GMT
Hughes totally resurrected Arnautovic’s career. He should be grateful, if he’s not then it probably says more about Arnautovic...... Either way whether it be the fault of Hughes, the club or a mixture of both, the club did lack ambition & for that we are now in the Championship. So you are now unsure about where the blame lies for us now being in the Championship League?
Maybe you should wake up and smell the coffee.
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Post by nigelkeyercoker on Aug 15, 2018 22:23:01 GMT
Mark Hughes was a total fuck up. He seems to have been everywhere bar Blackburn, I believe. Spends loads of money on fuck all. His signings were fucking awful bar the odd one. Kudos to Hughes though, some of the best football ive seen was under Hughes, with Bojan and Imbula etc playing. But that matters not one bit. We played beautiful football here and there but Hughes survived on Pulis players. He replaced barely anyone we sold, and we bought in total shite. He fucked the club up. When he managed us the whole club hated him and wanted him out. I cant believe im seeing people on here saying 'he would of have kept us up', he fucking would not, we looked soulless every game, we'd have finished rock bottom. The reason we appointed Lambert because no one else would have wanted the job, except for dave down the pub. I honestly watched everygame under Lambert and I felt he was the unluckiest man on the planet. Literally nothing went our way under him. I remember 3 games in a row Leicester, Brighton and Everton. We should have had 9 points, we got 3. Lambert was cursed. We did really well at Liverpool away and got a point. Although Lambert had a really shite record, i thought he was ok. In all honesty, i was a bit gutted when he went, I thought he'd be the right sort of manager for the Championship. He's a grafter, he doesnt fuck about, and he would have us grafting every game. I feel thats what we're missing now. We look soulless.
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Post by callas12 on Aug 15, 2018 22:45:54 GMT
Either way whether it be the fault of Hughes, the club or a mixture of both, the club did lack ambition & for that we are now in the Championship. So you are now unsure about where the blame lies for us now being in the Championship League? Maybe you should wake up and smell the coffee.
Keep sticking up for Hughes all you like, your in the minority with your Hughes loving! I've made it quite clear in rest of my posts youve chosen to ignore that Hughes in my opinion is a poor manager and has left a trail of destruction wherever he has been and was out of his depth at Stoke for a good period of time before he was fired. I'd also said this was in addition to off field politics.. Hughes became arrogant, had lost the dressing room and the fans & 'LMH OBE' (again as you refer to him) was steering the ship at this point. To clear up any misunderstanding you may have on my views, that made him responsible..
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Post by oslostokie1 on Aug 15, 2018 23:06:11 GMT
He presided over three consecutive 9th place finishes whilst playing the best football in my 43 years experience. As the dust settles on last year’s debacle, his time with us will be looked back upon with far more fondness.
He was also always very complimentary of the less than stellar set of players he was left with, and introduced the flair which Pulis teams lacked. That blend of Pulis best players together with those he introduced gave us a winning blend which led to the best football we have seen for many a year in his second season with us.
Rowett has not been left a bad hand at Championship level and together with the significant investment he has had should be getting a far better tune out of them sooner rather than later.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 15, 2018 23:36:37 GMT
I wanted Mark Hughes fired but in hindsight it was the wrong decision as the total fuckwittery that followed is far worse.
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Post by generationex on Aug 16, 2018 0:13:23 GMT
He’s a twat.
We’ll be paying his legacy of tawttery for a decade yet.
Twat.
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Post by djduncanjames on Aug 16, 2018 2:48:18 GMT
Rightio.. I'll have some of what your having, describing Hughes as a 'very good manager! What's he ever won or achieved in football management? He slides in to new jobs leaving a trail of destruction behind him whereever he's been. I'm no fan in the slightest of Joey Barton but his views on Hughes I do concur with. & to use an Arnie quote in the same subject as Hughes is farcical.. If Hughes & Arnie were singing off the same hymn sheet why has Arnie got nothing but contempt running through his veins towards LMH OBE (as you insist on calling him?! Hughes presided over our pre season & squad transfers in summer of 2017-18 & ultimately saw us slump & fail in the league, league cup & FA Cup with a squad that was & should of been more than capable of holding its own.. A team that he ultimately resorted to adopting TP's players & tactics with on his final throw of the dice! Regardless of Off field boardroom politics Hughes quickly became out of his depth with no back up plan B or C & as a consequence we are where are. Wake up & smell the coffee if you insist on thinking he's so wonderful. Hughes totally resurrected Arnautovic’s career. He should be grateful, if he’s not then it probably says more about Arnautovic...... To be fair, Arnie did recognise and state those exact words to the press after Mark Hughes temper tantrum that day --- after he ran riot on us
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 16, 2018 5:15:05 GMT
Mark Hughes was a total fuck up. He seems to have been everywhere bar Blackburn, I believe. Spends loads of money on fuck all. His signings were fucking awful bar the odd one. Kudos to Hughes though, some of the best football ive seen was under Hughes, with Bojan and Imbula etc playing. But that matters not one bit. We played beautiful football here and there but Hughes survived on Pulis players. He replaced barely anyone we sold, and we bought in total shite. He fucked the club up. When he managed us the whole club hated him and wanted him out. I cant believe im seeing people on here saying 'he would of have kept us up', he fucking would not, we looked soulless every game, we'd have finished rock bottom. The reason we appointed Lambert because no one else would have wanted the job, except for dave down the pub. I honestly watched everygame under Lambert and I felt he was the unluckiest man on the planet. Literally nothing went our way under him. I remember 3 games in a row Leicester, Brighton and Everton. We should have had 9 points, we got 3. Lambert was cursed. We did really well at Liverpool away and got a point. Although Lambert had a really shite record, i thought he was ok. In all honesty, i was a bit gutted when he went, I thought he'd be the right sort of manager for the Championship. He's a grafter, he doesnt fuck about, and he would have us grafting every game. I feel thats what we're missing now. We look soulless. Lambert was awful. His substitutions were more bizarre and negative than Hughes’.
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Post by Gods on Aug 16, 2018 9:14:33 GMT
Mark Hughes was a total fuck up. He seems to have been everywhere bar Blackburn, I believe. Spends loads of money on fuck all. His signings were fucking awful bar the odd one. Kudos to Hughes though, some of the best football ive seen was under Hughes, with Bojan and Imbula etc playing. But that matters not one bit. We played beautiful football here and there but Hughes survived on Pulis players. He replaced barely anyone we sold, and we bought in total shite. He fucked the club up. When he managed us the whole club hated him and wanted him out. I cant believe im seeing people on here saying 'he would of have kept us up', he fucking would not, we looked soulless every game, we'd have finished rock bottom. The reason we appointed Lambert because no one else would have wanted the job, except for dave down the pub. I honestly watched everygame under Lambert and I felt he was the unluckiest man on the planet. Literally nothing went our way under him. I remember 3 games in a row Leicester, Brighton and Everton. We should have had 9 points, we got 3. Lambert was cursed. We did really well at Liverpool away and got a point. Although Lambert had a really shite record, i thought he was ok. In all honesty, i was a bit gutted when he went, I thought he'd be the right sort of manager for the Championship. He's a grafter, he doesnt fuck about, and he would have us grafting every game. I feel thats what we're missing now. We look soulless. You seem to have casually erased from the history books the only 3 consecutive top half finishes in the history of the football club that Hughes produced. For sure he lost his way in the last 2 seasons but you can't deny he got Pulis players performing with a swagger and added some flair of his own in to the mix. As for Lambert he won his first match at home to Huddersfield and his last one at Swansea when both teams were already relegated. He won exactly none of the critical 14 matches in between despite some really tasty opportunities at home. Look at the stats for those games, we barely got a kick let alone any shots on goal in most of them. My personal opinion is he wasted way too much energy on falling out with the playing staff when he should have been getting everyone pulling in the same direction. Recriminations could have waited for the summer.
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Post by RAF on Aug 16, 2018 19:33:32 GMT
He’s a twat. We’ll be paying his legacy of tawttery for a decade yet. Twat. Ironic H
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Post by mrteddysalad on Aug 16, 2018 21:21:05 GMT
didn't have anything against Sparky until him and scholes started recklessly throwing money at crap players they barely scouted
now we're stuck with his crap and he's off getting a sun tan on the south coast
cunt
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Aug 16, 2018 22:05:29 GMT
History will judge Hughes’ tenure less harshly. It was worrying what we became under him in the end, but when it came to pushing on from those 9th place finishes he should be judged by the players that the recruitment team failed to get him and not just the ones that they did. Would we have got the 4 points extra we needed under Hughes? Didn't feel like it at the time but in hindsight probably. Ones things for sure I don’t see Southampton being anywhere near the bottom this season. We have more important things to worry about anyway...... Not in my history. He was responsible but gets away with it. If he does ever return with another club, I will be one that boos him SGS
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Post by kustokie on Aug 17, 2018 0:00:23 GMT
Sacking Hughes was fine, sacking Hughes for Lambert was a joke Like every other club in the world you have your new manager signed up before you sack the current one. You don’t then go scraping around looking for anyone to take it I said it at the time and I firmly believe it, Hughes would have kept us up That’s not what happened. Hughes was sacked with no-one lined up to replace him. Even Lambert admitted he was surprised that he was offered a PL job - now we know why. The club has totally lost the plot. No way Hughes would have kept us, no way in hell.
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Post by kustokie on Aug 17, 2018 0:04:03 GMT
He presided over three consecutive 9th place finishes whilst playing the best football in my 43 years experience. As the dust settles on last year’s debacle, his time with us will be looked back upon with far more fondness. He was also always very complimentary of the less than stellar set of players he was left with, and introduced the flair which Pulis teams lacked. That blend of Pulis best players together with those he introduced gave us a winning blend which led to the best football we have seen for many a year in his second season with us. Rowett has not been left a bad hand at Championship level and together with the significant investment he has had should be getting a far better tune out of them sooner rather than later. Not this bollox again.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 17, 2018 6:59:31 GMT
He presided over three consecutive 9th place finishes whilst playing the best football in my 43 years experience. As the dust settles on last year’s debacle, his time with us will be looked back upon with far more fondness. He was also always very complimentary of the less than stellar set of players he was left with, and introduced the flair which Pulis teams lacked. That blend of Pulis best players together with those he introduced gave us a winning blend which led to the best football we have seen for many a year in his second season with us. Rowett has not been left a bad hand at Championship level and together with the significant investment he has had should be getting a far better tune out of them sooner rather than later. Not this bollox again. It's not actually bollocks though is it?
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 17, 2018 8:16:08 GMT
Sacking Hughes was fine, sacking Hughes for Lambert was a joke Like every other club in the world you have your new manager signed up before you sack the current one. You don’t then go scraping around looking for anyone to take it I said it at the time and I firmly believe it, Hughes would have kept us up That’s not what happened. Hughes was sacked with no-one lined up to replace him. Even Lambert admitted he was surprised that he was offered a PL job - now we know why. The club has totally lost the plot. No way Hughes would have kept us, no way in hell. Agree, he completely lost it, he had lost it 18 months before he was sacked. It was obvious even then
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Post by padders01 on Aug 17, 2018 20:30:17 GMT
Sacking Hughes was fine, sacking Hughes for Lambert was a joke Like every other club in the world you have your new manager signed up before you sack the current one. You don’t then go scraping around looking for anyone to take it I said it at the time and I firmly believe it, Hughes would have kept us up That’s not what happened. Hughes was sacked with no-one lined up to replace him. Even Lambert admitted he was surprised that he was offered a PL job - now we know why. The club has totally lost the plot. No way Hughes would have kept us, no way in hell. I know! That’s my point?? Why? A new manager should have been liined up!
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Post by mermaidsal on Aug 17, 2018 22:17:21 GMT
Leslie is great at getting more out of someone else's squad... ask me again how he's really doing at the end of the season, but the squad he's got there is well capable of top 10, and by the time he left, ours wasn't. That's it, really. What still puzzles the bejazus out of me is how good his early recruitment policy was here - ok there were mistakes but he added some cracking footballers to the Tone spine - amd how disastrously shite it was in his last two seasons, with the same key staff involved. I still feel like there's much more of a story to be told than we've yet heard (Martin Spinks if you're reading this, hiya... ).
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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 18, 2018 0:21:36 GMT
Leslie is great at getting more out of someone else's squad... ask me again how he's really doing at the end of the season, but the squad he's got there is well capable of top 10, and by the time he left, ours wasn't. That's it, really. What still puzzles the bejazus out of me is how good his early recruitment policy was here - ok there were mistakes but he added some cracking footballers to the Tone spine - amd how disastrously shite it was in his last two seasons, with the same key staff involved. I still feel like there's much more of a story to be told than we've yet heard (Martin Spinks if you're reading this, hiya... ). Like Mills all them years ago Mark was most productive at transfers when he had to wheel and deal and scavenge for bargains. Also like Mills it went tits up when he got a budget to work with.
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Post by kustokie on Aug 18, 2018 0:54:00 GMT
Leslie is great at getting more out of someone else's squad... ask me again how he's really doing at the end of the season, but the squad he's got there is well capable of top 10, and by the time he left, ours wasn't. That's it, really. What still puzzles the bejazus out of me is how good his early recruitment policy was here - ok there were mistakes but he added some cracking footballers to the Tone spine - amd how disastrously shite it was in his last two seasons, with the same key staff involved. I still feel like there's much more of a story to be told than we've yet heard (Martin Spinks if you're reading this, hiya... ). Like Mills all them years ago Mark was most productive at transfers when he had to wheel and deal and scavenge for bargains. Also like Mills it went tits up when he got a budget to work with. He was out of a job for a while after being fired by QPR so he had plenty of time on his hands to scout diamonds in the rough. As a result Stoke signed on the cheap several players that were either out of favor, injury-prone or both (e.g Bojan, Arni, Affelay, Diouf). He plucked the low hanging fruit and it worked well for a time. However, it wasn’t sustainable when he had to put in a full day’s work because he’s fundamentally lazy and delegated all the heavy lifting to les incompetents. They spent a lot of money on players that they had obviously not scouted (5 minutes on the internet would have shown them that Imbula, Wimmer, and Berahino were going to be completely useless). This pattern will repeat itself until all the owners realize that he’s basically a fraud, stealing a living off his reputation as a player and his success as manager of Blackburn, which were both a long time ago.
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