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Post by Hannibal on May 5, 2018 14:58:11 GMT
Lambert's only job was to keep us up and he failed. Let's start again with Potter - we've got nothing to lose.
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Post by magwitch on May 5, 2018 15:12:55 GMT
Lambert's only job was to keep us up and he failed. Let's start again with Potter - we've got nothing to lose. Absoutely agree. Stoke need a new broom, not more of the old, so a new chairman is needed and CEO. Lambert has had his chance, even with £20m worth of additions in January his record is worse than Hughes. Peter Coates, as well as some of the players, has seen better years.
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Post by ravey123 on May 5, 2018 15:16:31 GMT
Lambert's only job was to keep us up and he failed. Let's start again with Potter - we've got nothing to lose. Absoutely agree. Stoke need a new broom, not more of the old, so a new chairman is needed and CEO. Lambert has had his chance, even with £20m worth of additions in January his record is worse than Hughes. Peter Coates, as well as some of the players, has seen better years. Get him in now - Potter I mean
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Post by spitthedog on May 5, 2018 15:20:41 GMT
We have got everything to lose!
Are you following whats happening in Sweden?
Poor start to the season for Ostersund...6th from bottom
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Post by FrankButcher on May 5, 2018 15:21:30 GMT
Allardyce knows best 👌⚽
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Post by flinteastwood on May 5, 2018 15:21:46 GMT
I like Lambert but hes not produced the goods, would Potter bother with us after relegation and the club ignoring his application after hughes was axed aswell.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2018 15:23:31 GMT
We need a new dynasty and I'd give him a go
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Post by Do it for dobing on May 18, 2018 15:55:09 GMT
Hes struggling this season only won two games?
Too risky
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on May 18, 2018 16:31:12 GMT
Lambert's only job was to keep us up and he failed. Let's start again with Potter - we've got nothing to lose. Not dissmissing the idea of having Potter, but we have got something to lose, blowing the 2? parachute payments on an untried manager for one. Once they're gone, I worry if the owners don't back the club as they might want to.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2018 17:00:21 GMT
Lambert's only job was to keep us up and he failed. Let's start again with Potter - we've got nothing to lose. Not dissmissing the idea of having Potter, but we have got something to lose, blowing the 2? parachute payments on an untried manager for one. Once they're gone, I worry if the owners don't back the club as they might want to. He is tried in europa football and did OK. Now look at Arteta linked with a top 4 or 6 team in arsenal. Now he's untried. It's this thought that's held back young English managers for the last 15 years.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 18, 2018 17:04:56 GMT
We've got nothing to lose....
...back in the real world....
No
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Post by mickstupp on May 18, 2018 17:06:05 GMT
No way, this is not a job for a rookie manager. The whole playing squad needs re-structuring.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2018 17:22:50 GMT
Potter in the Prem would have been a disaster waiting to happen. However, in the Champs, less expectation, less focus, clean sheet of paper, who knows...Go get him Lord Peter.
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on May 18, 2018 17:37:44 GMT
Not dissmissing the idea of having Potter, but we have got something to lose, blowing the 2? parachute payments on an untried manager for one. Once they're gone, I worry if the owners don't back the club as they might want to. He is tried in europa football and did OK. Now look at Arteta linked with a top 4 or 6 team in arsenal. Now he's untried. It's this thought that's held back young English managers for the last 15 years. Maybe, it's a huge risk for me and as for Arteta, I think that's mad considering whats on offer. What's happened to earning your stripes? They don't want to slug it out in lower leagues but want a top job. What's Arteta done to be considered. Fair play to Potter though what he has done is briliant, but personally still wouldn't take him yet.
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Post by professorplump on May 18, 2018 17:51:07 GMT
If it wasn't for his past Stoke connection I doubt whether many people would be wanting Potter. He has done well in Sweden but I think he would be a huge risk at the moment.
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Post by Hannibal on May 18, 2018 17:54:46 GMT
If it wasn't for his past Stoke connection I doubt whether many people would be wanting Potter. He has done well in Sweden but I think he would be a huge risk at the moment. All the Swansea fans seem to want him!
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Post by cousindupree on May 18, 2018 17:59:06 GMT
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Post by professorplump on May 18, 2018 18:02:31 GMT
If it wasn't for his past Stoke connection I doubt whether many people would be wanting Potter. He has done well in Sweden but I think he would be a huge risk at the moment. All the Swansea fans seem to want him! Yeah but Swansea go through their managers quickly so if he starts to struggle he will soon be out on his ear. Unless we have a complete disaster and get relegated, I think our next manager will be here for at least 2-3 years so it increases the pressure to get the decision right.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on May 18, 2018 18:31:02 GMT
Lambert's only job was to keep us up and he failed. Let's start again with Potter - we've got nothing to lose. Nothing to lose??? Only our championship status.... Big gamble for anyone thinking of having him above league one!!! He's not proven in England yet....big risk if ya ask me!!!
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Post by pbpotter on May 18, 2018 19:07:20 GMT
I'd take the risk.
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Post by jezzascfc on May 18, 2018 19:12:57 GMT
We need a complete overhaul, but we need to get it right in the first two years, so we can get back up whilst we still have the parachute payments. I am not sure we can afford to further Junior Potter's football managerial apprenticeship. We need an experienced man to hit the ground running.
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Post by gingerninja on May 18, 2018 19:47:14 GMT
I have to agree, it's no time to experiment, this appointment has to be spot on..
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2018 19:51:48 GMT
I know people have concerns and let's start a debate here, seriously, let's have one. The concerns are valid aren't they?
All he's done is managed a bunch of non league players in Sweden and took them through the divisions and into Europe. Sounds daft doesn't it? 'That's all he's done'.
How will that translate to English football and the types of ego's that knock around here? Could you deal with players the same way? Could you manage players with expectations on them with bigger fee's etc?
Personally, I like what little i've seen and heard about him. I like his down to earth, almost psychologist approach to managing players as humans and not robots. I like the videos i've seen of him coaching, where he gets his players to think about the situations they find themselves in, and gives them options to think about, rather than the same old shape drilling and turning players into robots. "Do as I say, not as I do" approach.
I might be wrong, a million times wrong, but I think that approach is more sustainable, and frankly, more transferrable for when he leaves and we have to replace (think long term here) than bringing in a dinosaur that might get results but drills his players to his methods. If you can teach players to think for themselves it makes them more adaptable to other styles of football surely?
His side is struggling this year in Sweden and that might go against him. It might be construed as a flash in the pan but it could also be the rapid rise catching up with them, something that always happens to smaller clubs on the rise - think Stockport years ago. That doesn't mean he isn't transferrable to our league or our standard. It doesn't mean he automatically is either to be fair.
He openly talks about building identities at football clubs, embedding that identity and aligning it with the local community (something we are already excellent at). He talks about he benefits of that in recruitment, and how it filters into it and makes it easier. I honestly think that rings true at this club and ticks a lot of boxes, because there is a lot of synergy in that with our owners and their business with Bet365 and the local area.
Personally, i'd have him here tomorrow. It's a risk, of course it is, and it should be respected of those that say we don't need that risk right now.
What if though? What if he came in and turned us right round, gave us a better identity and eventually got us back up playing a different brand of football, and helped forge a club that went hand in hand with the local community?
Wouldn't that be a story? Wouldn't that be doing things right?
Let's have a go? What have we really got to lose by trying?
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Post by ProctorDre on May 18, 2018 19:54:32 GMT
I HATE the “get someone with experience” argument.
Lambert had experience FFS! That worked well didn’t it.
Get Potter in, let him take the project and back him. A few years in the championship won’t hurt anything if we get things set up right for the long run.
How’s he ever going to prove he can do the job without getting a chance? Why not be the club who gives him that chance? Yes it’s a risk but a risk wort taking based on what he has already achieved.
Rather do that than get someone in who has experience in getting promoted from the championship ten years ago and has always failed at a higher level.
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Post by Clem Fandango on May 18, 2018 19:56:53 GMT
I know people have concerns and let's start a debate here, seriously, let's have one. The concerns are valid aren't they? All he's done is managed a bunch of non league players in Sweden and took them through the divisions and into Europe. Sounds daft doesn't it? 'That's all he's done'. How will that translate to English football and the types of ego's that knock around here? Could you deal with players the same way? Could you manage players with expectations on them with bigger fee's etc? Personally, I like what little i've seen and heard about him. I like his down to earth, almost psychologist approach to managing players as humans and not robots. I like the videos i've seen of him coaching, where he gets his players to think about the situations they find themselves in, and gives them options to think about, rather than the same old shape drilling and turning players into robots. "Do as I say, not as I do" approach. I might be wrong, a million times wrong, but I think that approach is more sustainable, and frankly, more transferrable for when he leaves and we have to replace (think long term here) than bringing in a dinosaur that might get results but drills his players to his methods. If you can teach players to think for themselves it makes them more adaptable to other styles of football surely? His side is struggling this year in Sweden and that might go against him. It might be construed as a flash in the pan but it could also be the rapid rise catching up with them, something that always happens to smaller clubs on the rise - think Stockport years ago. That doesn't mean he isn't transferrable to our league or our standard. It doesn't mean he automatically is either to be fair. He openly talks about building identities at football clubs, embedding that identity and aligning it with the local community (something we are already excellent at). He talks about he benefits of that in recruitment, and how it filters into it and makes it easier. I honestly think that rings true at this club and ticks a lot of boxes, because there is a lot of synergy in that with our owners and their business with Bet365 and the local area. Personally, i'd have him here tomorrow. It's a risk, of course it is, and it should be respected of those that say we don't need that risk right now. What if though? What if he came in and turned us right round, gave us a better identity and eventually got us back up playing a different brand of football, and helped forge a club that went hand in hand with the local community? Wouldn't that be a story? Wouldn't that be doing things right? Let's have a go? What have we really got to lose by trying? All interesting points mate. I just worry that maybe he wouldnt be given the time to get his methods across. To be honest my patience runs thin these days so not sure I'd be able to get behind him if we found ourselves struggling in November. That said Im extremely intrigued by the idea of him just to get away from the humdrum of tired british managers.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2018 20:02:41 GMT
I know people have concerns and let's start a debate here, seriously, let's have one. The concerns are valid aren't they? All he's done is managed a bunch of non league players in Sweden and took them through the divisions and into Europe. Sounds daft doesn't it? 'That's all he's done'. How will that translate to English football and the types of ego's that knock around here? Could you deal with players the same way? Could you manage players with expectations on them with bigger fee's etc? Personally, I like what little i've seen and heard about him. I like his down to earth, almost psychologist approach to managing players as humans and not robots. I like the videos i've seen of him coaching, where he gets his players to think about the situations they find themselves in, and gives them options to think about, rather than the same old shape drilling and turning players into robots. "Do as I say, not as I do" approach. I might be wrong, a million times wrong, but I think that approach is more sustainable, and frankly, more transferrable for when he leaves and we have to replace (think long term here) than bringing in a dinosaur that might get results but drills his players to his methods. If you can teach players to think for themselves it makes them more adaptable to other styles of football surely? His side is struggling this year in Sweden and that might go against him. It might be construed as a flash in the pan but it could also be the rapid rise catching up with them, something that always happens to smaller clubs on the rise - think Stockport years ago. That doesn't mean he isn't transferrable to our league or our standard. It doesn't mean he automatically is either to be fair. He openly talks about building identities at football clubs, embedding that identity and aligning it with the local community (something we are already excellent at). He talks about he benefits of that in recruitment, and how it filters into it and makes it easier. I honestly think that rings true at this club and ticks a lot of boxes, because there is a lot of synergy in that with our owners and their business with Bet365 and the local area. Personally, i'd have him here tomorrow. It's a risk, of course it is, and it should be respected of those that say we don't need that risk right now. What if though? What if he came in and turned us right round, gave us a better identity and eventually got us back up playing a different brand of football, and helped forge a club that went hand in hand with the local community? Wouldn't that be a story? Wouldn't that be doing things right? Let's have a go? What have we really got to lose by trying? All interesting points mate. I just worry that maybe he wouldnt be given the time to get his methods across. To be honest my patience runs thin these days so not sure I'd be able to get behind him if we found ourselves struggling in November. That said Im extremely intrigued by the idea of him just to get away from the humdrum of tired british managers. I get that angle of argument totally and I honestly cant sit here and say anything other than 'its a risk'. I'm not a manager, never have been and i'm not an owner. I'm just a regular fan like yourself, that has certain ideas on the game and how I want it to be played. I'm a bit of a romantic if truth be told, one for the bigger story rather than hard cold results. I can honestly see a situation where he could come in and be stuck in the bottom half in November time and have people groaning in the stands, totally. That doesn't mean he couldn't turn it around in Season 2 or 3. Yes, it's a valid question as to whether he would get that time. Personally, I'm expecting tough times regardless and think this will be a long project to get us back properly anyway, so am of the opinion to totally strip it back and rebuild, although I get that not everyone is of that opinion and some (many?) will expect a quick return.
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Post by Clem Fandango on May 18, 2018 20:08:37 GMT
All interesting points mate. I just worry that maybe he wouldnt be given the time to get his methods across. To be honest my patience runs thin these days so not sure I'd be able to get behind him if we found ourselves struggling in November. That said Im extremely intrigued by the idea of him just to get away from the humdrum of tired british managers. I get that angle of argument totally and I honestly cant sit here and say anything other than 'its a risk'. I'm not a manager, never have been and i'm not an owner. I'm just a regular fan like yourself, that has certain ideas on the game and how I want it to be played. I'm a bit of a romantic if truth be told, one for the bigger story rather than hard cold results. I can honestly see a situation where he could come in and be stuck in the bottom half in November time and have people groaning in the stands, totally. That doesn't mean he couldn't turn it around in Season 2 or 3. Yes, it's a valid question as to whether he would get that time. Personally, I'm expecting tough times regardless and think this will be a long project to get us back properly anyway, so am of the opinion to totally strip it back and rebuild, although I get that not everyone is of that opinion and some (many?) will expect a quick return. Yeah I dont think I really expect a quick return deep down I'm half expecting us to go the way of Hull or even worse Sunderland given the state of the squad. I'm at odds with myself because I'd love to get behind a project like you've described which might reignite my passion for the sport. I'd like to see a manager who'd invest some time in building a young powerful side. for all his faults Coates has spent a fortune on the youth setup here and Id like to see somebody come in and look at it and use it The other side of that is that I hate seeing my team lose and an inexperienced side could get their arse handed to it. Whats Potter's record like with youth players? do we know?
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Post by owdestokie2 on May 18, 2018 20:45:49 GMT
We have got everything to lose! Are you following whats happening in Sweden? Poor start to the season for Ostersund...6th from bottom Shush.
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Post by spitthedog on May 18, 2018 21:42:34 GMT
We have got everything to lose! Are you following whats happening in Sweden? Poor start to the season for Ostersund...6th from bottom Shush. Having said that they got a decent draw at AIK a few days back, they've been inconsistent this season.
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Post by M on May 18, 2018 22:19:05 GMT
It's a weird one.
On one hand he's done amazing in Sweden and you should only really get measured on what you've achieved versus what you could. On the other, some people thrive in one country, league and die in another. Pressure can get to them.
I'll tell you a story though. Our accountant left about 9 months ago because they wanted to do less hours and we needed her to do more because we were growing and getting busier. We made a mistake and didn't have strength in depth to cover for eventualities like her going (we're only a small business, 18 people so the equivalent of a match day squad). Shitting it I frantically got a job advert out with recruiters. Got a load of CV's, some shit, some great first interviewed a load and narrowed it down to 2.
One was young and raw with minimal experience but daft smart, people skills and did a fast track degree (which he got a 1st in 2 years) and was desperate to show he could do it. The other had more years experience, qualifications and form in total than the age of the young chap.
How did I make my choice? Well it wasn't money. Interviewed them both. Listened to how they worked. Got them to look over the business and asked them what they would do. They both clearly had the knowledge but their experiences were totally different, but I made a decision based on the passion (not passion as in screaming on the touchline) to do the job well.
Age never came in to it, nor experience. I hired the young chap and even though he grates me at times, he was the best risk I'd taken. That area of the business works better than it's ever worked.
The only thing I really hope PC does is he interviews him, and anyone else on his shortlist and makes his mind up from that.
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