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Post by biglad180 on May 20, 2018 9:32:38 GMT
don't think I would go for him mate with all the money peter coates and family have same as I said I think we can get a lot better manager. that is if we are serious in going back up. been honest I don't know who id choose
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Post by pavel on May 20, 2018 12:50:22 GMT
I know people have concerns and let's start a debate here, seriously, let's have one. The concerns are valid aren't they? All he's done is managed a bunch of non league players in Sweden and took them through the divisions and into Europe. Sounds daft doesn't it? 'That's all he's done'. How will that translate to English football and the types of ego's that knock around here? Could you deal with players the same way? Could you manage players with expectations on them with bigger fee's etc? Personally, I like what little i've seen and heard about him. I like his down to earth, almost psychologist approach to managing players as humans and not robots. I like the videos i've seen of him coaching, where he gets his players to think about the situations they find themselves in, and gives them options to think about, rather than the same old shape drilling and turning players into robots. "Do as I say, not as I do" approach. I might be wrong, a million times wrong, but I think that approach is more sustainable, and frankly, more transferrable for when he leaves and we have to replace (think long term here) than bringing in a dinosaur that might get results but drills his players to his methods. If you can teach players to think for themselves it makes them more adaptable to other styles of football surely? His side is struggling this year in Sweden and that might go against him. It might be construed as a flash in the pan but it could also be the rapid rise catching up with them, something that always happens to smaller clubs on the rise - think Stockport years ago. That doesn't mean he isn't transferrable to our league or our standard. It doesn't mean he automatically is either to be fair. He openly talks about building identities at football clubs, embedding that identity and aligning it with the local community (something we are already excellent at). He talks about he benefits of that in recruitment, and how it filters into it and makes it easier. I honestly think that rings true at this club and ticks a lot of boxes, because there is a lot of synergy in that with our owners and their business with Bet365 and the local area. Personally, i'd have him here tomorrow. It's a risk, of course it is, and it should be respected of those that say we don't need that risk right now. What if though? What if he came in and turned us right round, gave us a better identity and eventually got us back up playing a different brand of football, and helped forge a club that went hand in hand with the local community? Wouldn't that be a story? Wouldn't that be doing things right? Let's have a go? What have we really got to lose by trying? As good an argument for him that I have seen. Would love to see it happen, perhaps not us though, don’t think we’ve got the vision or the balls to go for it.
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Post by kerouac on May 20, 2018 13:24:49 GMT
I know people have concerns and let's start a debate here, seriously, let's have one. The concerns are valid aren't they? All he's done is managed a bunch of non league players in Sweden and took them through the divisions and into Europe. Sounds daft doesn't it? 'That's all he's done'. How will that translate to English football and the types of ego's that knock around here? Could you deal with players the same way? Could you manage players with expectations on them with bigger fee's etc? Personally, I like what little i've seen and heard about him. I like his down to earth, almost psychologist approach to managing players as humans and not robots. I like the videos i've seen of him coaching, where he gets his players to think about the situations they find themselves in, and gives them options to think about, rather than the same old shape drilling and turning players into robots. "Do as I say, not as I do" approach. I might be wrong, a million times wrong, but I think that approach is more sustainable, and frankly, more transferrable for when he leaves and we have to replace (think long term here) than bringing in a dinosaur that might get results but drills his players to his methods. If you can teach players to think for themselves it makes them more adaptable to other styles of football surely? His side is struggling this year in Sweden and that might go against him. It might be construed as a flash in the pan but it could also be the rapid rise catching up with them, something that always happens to smaller clubs on the rise - think Stockport years ago. That doesn't mean he isn't transferrable to our league or our standard. It doesn't mean he automatically is either to be fair. He openly talks about building identities at football clubs, embedding that identity and aligning it with the local community (something we are already excellent at). He talks about he benefits of that in recruitment, and how it filters into it and makes it easier. I honestly think that rings true at this club and ticks a lot of boxes, because there is a lot of synergy in that with our owners and their business with Bet365 and the local area. Personally, i'd have him here tomorrow. It's a risk, of course it is, and it should be respected of those that say we don't need that risk right now. What if though? What if he came in and turned us right round, gave us a better identity and eventually got us back up playing a different brand of football, and helped forge a club that went hand in hand with the local community? Wouldn't that be a story? Wouldn't that be doing things right? Let's have a go? What have we really got to lose by trying? One of the most insightful posts I’ve read in ages.......I’m in total agreement and would love it to happen.
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Post by harrysburrow on May 20, 2018 13:40:40 GMT
I know people have concerns and let's start a debate here, seriously, let's have one. The concerns are valid aren't they? All he's done is managed a bunch of non league players in Sweden and took them through the divisions and into Europe. Sounds daft doesn't it? 'That's all he's done'. How will that translate to English football and the types of ego's that knock around here? Could you deal with players the same way? Could you manage players with expectations on them with bigger fee's etc? Personally, I like what little i've seen and heard about him. I like his down to earth, almost psychologist approach to managing players as humans and not robots. I like the videos i've seen of him coaching, where he gets his players to think about the situations they find themselves in, and gives them options to think about, rather than the same old shape drilling and turning players into robots. "Do as I say, not as I do" approach. I might be wrong, a million times wrong, but I think that approach is more sustainable, and frankly, more transferrable for when he leaves and we have to replace (think long term here) than bringing in a dinosaur that might get results but drills his players to his methods. If you can teach players to think for themselves it makes them more adaptable to other styles of football surely? His side is struggling this year in Sweden and that might go against him. It might be construed as a flash in the pan but it could also be the rapid rise catching up with them, something that always happens to smaller clubs on the rise - think Stockport years ago. That doesn't mean he isn't transferrable to our league or our standard. It doesn't mean he automatically is either to be fair. He openly talks about building identities at football clubs, embedding that identity and aligning it with the local community (something we are already excellent at). He talks about he benefits of that in recruitment, and how it filters into it and makes it easier. I honestly think that rings true at this club and ticks a lot of boxes, because there is a lot of synergy in that with our owners and their business with Bet365 and the local area. Personally, i'd have him here tomorrow. It's a risk, of course it is, and it should be respected of those that say we don't need that risk right now. What if though? What if he came in and turned us right round, gave us a better identity and eventually got us back up playing a different brand of football, and helped forge a club that went hand in hand with the local community? Wouldn't that be a story? Wouldn't that be doing things right? Let's have a go? What have we really got to lose by trying? One of the most insightful posts I’ve read in ages.......I’m in total agreement and would love it to happen. Very interesting point and would be inspiring if it all came off. No way I can see our board being that progressive though?
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Post by thischarmingmanc on May 20, 2018 13:45:15 GMT
Your really are a first rate arse. Knock out stages of the europa league equates to shrewburys town... The ignorant, arrogant, anglo centric view of some cretins on here is a fuckin embarrassment. I think Potter will have to start in England at a less profile job than SCFC. Perhaps there will soon be a vacancy at Shrewsbury.
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Post by thischarmingmanc on May 20, 2018 13:46:33 GMT
With the big money all we could get when we were ion the premiership was paul lambert ... don't think I would go for him mate with all the money peter coates and family have same as I said I think we can get a lot better manager. that is if we are serious in going back up. been honest I don't know who id choose
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Post by thevoid on May 20, 2018 14:01:53 GMT
With the big money all we could get when we were ion the premiership was paul lambert ... don't think I would go for him mate with all the money peter coates and family have same as I said I think we can get a lot better manager. that is if we are serious in going back up. been honest I don't know who id choose That's because managers don't want a relegation on their CV. Rowett, for example, probably thought he could get to the Prem with Derby so leaving then was a risk. This summer is a clean slate.
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Post by AlliG on May 20, 2018 17:42:27 GMT
With the big money all we could get when we were ion the premiership was paul lambert ... don't think I would go for him mate with all the money peter coates and family have same as I said I think we can get a lot better manager. that is if we are serious in going back up. been honest I don't know who id choose There are just the 46 Premier League / Championship managers jobs and probably hundreds of coaches/managers across Europe who would jump at the opportunity. I presume the old statistic that 50% of all managers fail to get a second job is still valid. There are 2 reasons why we ended up with Lambert in January 1) We sacked Mark Hughes far too late and had no time to do a thorough recruitment exercise and panicked when QSF failed to materialise. 2) The incredibly narrow criteria we put in place meant we were shopping in a very small pool, where all but one of the fish had recently been caught. If we were to do a proper recruitment job, advertised with an open mind, a decent salary with a big promotion bonus and a reasonable player budget, we ought to be able to get the right man for the job (whoever that might be). I can't say I have any great optimism that we have an open mind about the next manager but I hope to be surprised.
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Post by marshy on May 22, 2018 14:12:22 GMT
Interesting
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on May 22, 2018 14:16:21 GMT
It'll be good to watch how he get's on from a safe distance. IMO he's not near the standard needed, but I'd like to find out. All the best to him if he gets it - still, I don't think they'd take the risk.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 14:30:27 GMT
I have to say he was my first choice. I can see why they picked GR over him as it ticks boxes for both Pete and John Coates. Young upcoming but with already gained experience in the championship. Don't really want to wish him that much good luck now if he goes there but would be nice see him do well and prove the knicker wetter's who said he's not experienced enough wrong.
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Post by burberrybassist on May 22, 2018 14:40:29 GMT
Out of the 3 relegated teams I'm so happy we have gone for somebody who knows the league. Wish him all the best (bar two matches of course) but a massive, massive risk.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 14:55:57 GMT
I'd have loved him to come here.
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Post by bathstoke on May 22, 2018 15:18:15 GMT
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Post by fubar1972 on May 22, 2018 15:37:29 GMT
What is the big thing with Graham Potter when he missed that header at filbert Street in the playoffs his name changed to Graham f... ING Potter and it will never change in my mind . Some people do have short memories..
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Post by jimmygscfc on May 22, 2018 15:39:41 GMT
He had a blank canvas at Ostersunds and a long time to achieve. He's done a great job but he won't be given the luxury of years to plan and propose at Swansea.
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Post by JoeinOz on May 22, 2018 15:49:00 GMT
He looks like Jonathan Pie.
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Post by PotterLog on May 22, 2018 15:51:01 GMT
What is the big thing with Graham Potter when he missed that header at filbert Street in the playoffs his name changed to Graham f... ING Potter and it will never change in my mind . Some people do have short memories.. You wouldn't want a manager because he missed a chance for us once as a player? that's a hell of a grudge
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Post by JoeinOz on May 22, 2018 15:54:25 GMT
What is the big thing with Graham Potter when he missed that header at filbert Street in the playoffs his name changed to Graham f... ING Potter and it will never change in my mind . Some people do have short memories.. Short memories? Short? It was 22 years ago.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on May 22, 2018 15:54:44 GMT
The absolute meltdown that will happen on here if Swansea get a better result in the first game of the season than us. "See, see! Fucking wank Stoke! We should of[sic] had him! Coates out!"
Then we'll spend the season sitting at the top, Swansea will fall away, he'll get sacked like the other two dozen managers they've had in the last few years, and it'll all be forgotten about... Untill everyone finds something else to batter the club over anyway.
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Post by fubar1972 on May 22, 2018 15:56:10 GMT
It was the playoffs. So yes I still hold a grudge.. Therapy did not help much when I had it at the time lol
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Post by Gods on May 22, 2018 16:41:36 GMT
Swans fans reaction pretty much as I think ours would have been, same reservations and hopes, greeted with muted enthusiasm Potter
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Post by roylandstoke on May 22, 2018 16:51:20 GMT
Potter took a virtually non league group of players to trhe knockout stages of the Europa League.
If someone took us that far there'd be people calling for a knighthood.
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Post by loosestools on May 22, 2018 17:03:08 GMT
Potter took a virtually non league group of players to trhe knockout stages of the Europa League. If someone took us that far there'd be people calling for a knighthood. Players with much smaller ego's who don't think that they are better than they are and had everything to play for with no pressure, and don't think that the world and its fan base owes them a living. Still, a good effort, one I would be proud of.
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Post by thevoid on May 22, 2018 17:08:04 GMT
Potter took a virtually non league group of players to trhe knockout stages of the Europa League. If someone took us that far there'd be people calling for a knighthood. They took a full squad away for their second leg too 😚
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Post by simple on May 22, 2018 17:38:34 GMT
I do not understand all this Potter thing,fans slated him when he played for us.
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Post by Pugsley on May 22, 2018 17:57:46 GMT
He had a blank canvas at Ostersunds and a long time to achieve. He's done a great job but he won't be given the luxury of years to plan and propose at Swansea. Correct, as well as zero expectation in Sweden. It's a colossal step up.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 18:02:34 GMT
I do not understand all this Potter thing,fans slated him when he played for us. What's that got to do with his potential ability as a manager?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 18:35:55 GMT
It'll be good to watch how he get's on from a safe distance. IMO he's not near the standard needed, but I'd like to find out. All the best to him if he gets it - still, I don't think they'd take the risk. I feel sorry for him. He's a real talent. He'll be the n'th manager at Swansea who will fail to live up to their wayward expectations and he'll be out of a job before the season is over. Whereas with us he could have had a job for a sustained period of time provided he didn't do a Lambert and got us relegated.
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Post by spiderpuss on May 22, 2018 19:15:39 GMT
It's annoying where he's not even been asked/given an interview. Again we seem to have gone down the "first in, you'll do route". The same way we went with Mark Hughes. I'm not sure GR is the man for the job. We'll plod along for a few years under him.
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