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Post by wagstand on May 19, 2018 7:10:03 GMT
Our situation needs experience not a rookie. Now isn't the time for gambling on Potter. We need an Allardyce or McCarthy type to sort this mess out. People were calling Warnock a dinosaur not so long ago and look at the job he's just done with a far lower budget than our manager will have.
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Post by overthehills on May 19, 2018 7:37:53 GMT
Arsen-al had Arsen-e and that worked well overall, Stoke can have Potter and let's hope the name connection works just as well for us.
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Post by Northy on May 19, 2018 8:13:30 GMT
Lambert's only job was to keep us up and he failed. Let's start again with Potter - we've got nothing to lose. yes we have, we've got our championship status to lose.
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Post by musik on May 19, 2018 9:04:07 GMT
Shush. Having said that they got a decent draw at AIK a few days back, they've been inconsistent this season. Today Potter's Östersund FK are playing GIF Sundsvall away. A northern region derby they call it. GIF Sundsvall has a very talented american central attacking midfielder, a 23 year old called Romain Gall. He was born in Paris, began his career at FC Lorient. 5 goals already so far this season. Played US U20 (13 goals in 25 games). Östersunds FK has most of their players still there after the European League adventure, Ken Sema, Ghoddos, Nouri etc. But a couple has left, for instance the important playmaker in the middle Fouad Bachirou (to champions 2017/18 Malmö FF). Plus the fact the chairman is under investigation (some financial crime eventually). So it's been a turbulent state.
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Post by stokie223 on May 19, 2018 9:59:44 GMT
I know people have concerns and let's start a debate here, seriously, let's have one. The concerns are valid aren't they? All he's done is managed a bunch of non league players in Sweden and took them through the divisions and into Europe. Sounds daft doesn't it? 'That's all he's done'. How will that translate to English football and the types of ego's that knock around here? Could you deal with players the same way? Could you manage players with expectations on them with bigger fee's etc? Personally, I like what little i've seen and heard about him. I like his down to earth, almost psychologist approach to managing players as humans and not robots. I like the videos i've seen of him coaching, where he gets his players to think about the situations they find themselves in, and gives them options to think about, rather than the same old shape drilling and turning players into robots. "Do as I say, not as I do" approach. I might be wrong, a million times wrong, but I think that approach is more sustainable, and frankly, more transferrable for when he leaves and we have to replace (think long term here) than bringing in a dinosaur that might get results but drills his players to his methods. If you can teach players to think for themselves it makes them more adaptable to other styles of football surely? His side is struggling this year in Sweden and that might go against him. It might be construed as a flash in the pan but it could also be the rapid rise catching up with them, something that always happens to smaller clubs on the rise - think Stockport years ago. That doesn't mean he isn't transferrable to our league or our standard. It doesn't mean he automatically is either to be fair. He openly talks about building identities at football clubs, embedding that identity and aligning it with the local community (something we are already excellent at). He talks about he benefits of that in recruitment, and how it filters into it and makes it easier. I honestly think that rings true at this club and ticks a lot of boxes, because there is a lot of synergy in that with our owners and their business with Bet365 and the local area. Personally, i'd have him here tomorrow. It's a risk, of course it is, and it should be respected of those that say we don't need that risk right now. What if though? What if he came in and turned us right round, gave us a better identity and eventually got us back up playing a different brand of football, and helped forge a club that went hand in hand with the local community? Wouldn't that be a story? Wouldn't that be doing things right? Let's have a go? What have we really got to lose by trying? this is perfect! I would sooner see us, as a club, take a bold step & try to actually build something rather than give another dinosaur merry-go-round manager a job for 1-2 years. If you employ an Allardyce/Pardew/Moyes/Warnock/McCarthy type manager, a 'safe pair of hands', you have AT BEST 1-2 years of relative success before they inevitably mess things up; moving on to pastures new & collecting a few million in the process. I'm completely fed up of it. Football has moved on significantly in the last few years where the 'jobs for the boys' mentality is being phased out as these old, tired managers are largely getting found out. You only have to look at the teams who've been promoted from the championship in the last few years... almost all are good, attacking footballing sides who've spent a lot of money to do so. When you actually do some research into what Potter has done, it's remarkable & fascinating. I have no doubt he'll end up getting a great job somewhere because he's a footballing man, but also delves into what makes each individual tick. It might be in a sub-standard league but his achievements for a little team from the North of Sweden are outstanding. It also doesn't make one iota difference to me that he used to play for Stoke, I don't really think that's seriously the only reason some fans want him...
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Post by march4 on May 19, 2018 10:03:47 GMT
I think Potter will have to start in England at a less profile job than SCFC.
Perhaps there will soon be a vacancy at Shrewsbury.
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Post by jamerg on May 19, 2018 10:10:30 GMT
I know people have concerns and let's start a debate here, seriously, let's have one. The concerns are valid aren't they? All he's done is managed a bunch of non league players in Sweden and took them through the divisions and into Europe. Sounds daft doesn't it? 'That's all he's done'. How will that translate to English football and the types of ego's that knock around here? Could you deal with players the same way? Could you manage players with expectations on them with bigger fee's etc? Personally, I like what little i've seen and heard about him. I like his down to earth, almost psychologist approach to managing players as humans and not robots. I like the videos i've seen of him coaching, where he gets his players to think about the situations they find themselves in, and gives them options to think about, rather than the same old shape drilling and turning players into robots. "Do as I say, not as I do" approach. I might be wrong, a million times wrong, but I think that approach is more sustainable, and frankly, more transferrable for when he leaves and we have to replace (think long term here) than bringing in a dinosaur that might get results but drills his players to his methods. If you can teach players to think for themselves it makes them more adaptable to other styles of football surely? His side is struggling this year in Sweden and that might go against him. It might be construed as a flash in the pan but it could also be the rapid rise catching up with them, something that always happens to smaller clubs on the rise - think Stockport years ago. That doesn't mean he isn't transferrable to our league or our standard. It doesn't mean he automatically is either to be fair. He openly talks about building identities at football clubs, embedding that identity and aligning it with the local community (something we are already excellent at). He talks about he benefits of that in recruitment, and how it filters into it and makes it easier. I honestly think that rings true at this club and ticks a lot of boxes, because there is a lot of synergy in that with our owners and their business with Bet365 and the local area. Personally, i'd have him here tomorrow. It's a risk, of course it is, and it should be respected of those that say we don't need that risk right now. What if though? What if he came in and turned us right round, gave us a better identity and eventually got us back up playing a different brand of football, and helped forge a club that went hand in hand with the local community? Wouldn't that be a story? Wouldn't that be doing things right? Let's have a go? What have we really got to lose by trying? Excellent post
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Post by kjpt140v on May 19, 2018 10:19:45 GMT
Agree
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Post by robrigo on May 19, 2018 10:29:30 GMT
I know people have concerns and let's start a debate here, seriously, let's have one. The concerns are valid aren't they? All he's done is managed a bunch of non league players in Sweden and took them through the divisions and into Europe. Sounds daft doesn't it? 'That's all he's done'. How will that translate to English football and the types of ego's that knock around here? Could you deal with players the same way? Could you manage players with expectations on them with bigger fee's etc? Personally, I like what little i've seen and heard about him. I like his down to earth, almost psychologist approach to managing players as humans and not robots. I like the videos i've seen of him coaching, where he gets his players to think about the situations they find themselves in, and gives them options to think about, rather than the same old shape drilling and turning players into robots. "Do as I say, not as I do" approach. I might be wrong, a million times wrong, but I think that approach is more sustainable, and frankly, more transferrable for when he leaves and we have to replace (think long term here) than bringing in a dinosaur that might get results but drills his players to his methods. If you can teach players to think for themselves it makes them more adaptable to other styles of football surely? His side is struggling this year in Sweden and that might go against him. It might be construed as a flash in the pan but it could also be the rapid rise catching up with them, something that always happens to smaller clubs on the rise - think Stockport years ago. That doesn't mean he isn't transferrable to our league or our standard. It doesn't mean he automatically is either to be fair. He openly talks about building identities at football clubs, embedding that identity and aligning it with the local community (something we are already excellent at). He talks about he benefits of that in recruitment, and how it filters into it and makes it easier. I honestly think that rings true at this club and ticks a lot of boxes, because there is a lot of synergy in that with our owners and their business with Bet365 and the local area. Personally, i'd have him here tomorrow. It's a risk, of course it is, and it should be respected of those that say we don't need that risk right now. What if though? What if he came in and turned us right round, gave us a better identity and eventually got us back up playing a different brand of football, and helped forge a club that went hand in hand with the local community? Wouldn't that be a story? Wouldn't that be doing things right? Let's have a go? What have we really got to lose by trying? I can completely concur. He would be my man. It depends who has the most influence now Peter or John. And whether we want a complete change of outlook. In saying that I want Potter I also acknowledge this is the single biggest decision the club has faced for a while and we have to get it right. I think the club won’t risk it. Interesting times.
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Post by MilanStokie on May 19, 2018 10:41:24 GMT
I think Potter will have to start in England at a less profile job than SCFC. Perhaps there will soon be a vacancy at Shrewsbury. Really? I don't like to draw too many comparisons between the quality of the Swedish league and the English league(s) but a manager that has got Ostersunds into the knockouts of European footy cropping up at a 3rd division team in England? I cannot see him leaving top league in Sweden for anything below Championship. There would be nothing in it for him. I wouldn't be surprised to see him in this league within the next 8 months.
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Post by thedarkknight on May 19, 2018 10:49:21 GMT
8 points from 8 games this season, sat 5th from bottom. Great work over the last couple of years, but he's not invincibile. I'd like know how many of his fans on here actually have watched a game not including the European games last season. Not many I suspect, and if hasten to add I bet most of you wouldn't know him if he was sat next to you in the pub!
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Post by ohbottom on May 19, 2018 12:21:25 GMT
I know people have concerns and let's start a debate here, seriously, let's have one. The concerns are valid aren't they? All he's done is managed a bunch of non league players in Sweden and took them through the divisions and into Europe. Sounds daft doesn't it? 'That's all he's done'. How will that translate to English football and the types of ego's that knock around here? Could you deal with players the same way? Could you manage players with expectations on them with bigger fee's etc? Personally, I like what little i've seen and heard about him. I like his down to earth, almost psychologist approach to managing players as humans and not robots. I like the videos i've seen of him coaching, where he gets his players to think about the situations they find themselves in, and gives them options to think about, rather than the same old shape drilling and turning players into robots. "Do as I say, not as I do" approach. I might be wrong, a million times wrong, but I think that approach is more sustainable, and frankly, more transferrable for when he leaves and we have to replace (think long term here) than bringing in a dinosaur that might get results but drills his players to his methods. If you can teach players to think for themselves it makes them more adaptable to other styles of football surely? His side is struggling this year in Sweden and that might go against him. It might be construed as a flash in the pan but it could also be the rapid rise catching up with them, something that always happens to smaller clubs on the rise - think Stockport years ago. That doesn't mean he isn't transferrable to our league or our standard. It doesn't mean he automatically is either to be fair. He openly talks about building identities at football clubs, embedding that identity and aligning it with the local community (something we are already excellent at). He talks about he benefits of that in recruitment, and how it filters into it and makes it easier. I honestly think that rings true at this club and ticks a lot of boxes, because there is a lot of synergy in that with our owners and their business with Bet365 and the local area. Personally, i'd have him here tomorrow. It's a risk, of course it is, and it should be respected of those that say we don't need that risk right now. What if though? What if he came in and turned us right round, gave us a better identity and eventually got us back up playing a different brand of football, and helped forge a club that went hand in hand with the local community? Wouldn't that be a story? Wouldn't that be doing things right? Let's have a go? What have we really got to lose by trying? Bravo! The man is clearly very intelligent, masters degree in Leadership & Emotional Intelligence (according to wiki) and he's obviously formulated his own methodology and way of working rather than just re-using the same old same old. The big question is, how would the novelty of this translate to the money (and ego) orientated world of top level English soccer? He's had the chance to build a culture from scratch, and given chances to players who failed to make it elsewhere. Would grizzled old pros or hugely wealthy "prima donnas" buy in to the project? How would the likes of Ryan, BMI, Shaq or Allen react when asked to do karaoke or morris dancing or play a Mongolian nose flute in front of the rest of the staff? There's undoubtedly a risk involved, but I've no doubt at some point a bigger club over here will give him a chance. Personally, I'd be quite excited if it was us.
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Post by M on May 19, 2018 14:14:13 GMT
I know people have concerns and let's start a debate here, seriously, let's have one. The concerns are valid aren't they? All he's done is managed a bunch of non league players in Sweden and took them through the divisions and into Europe. Sounds daft doesn't it? 'That's all he's done'. How will that translate to English football and the types of ego's that knock around here? Could you deal with players the same way? Could you manage players with expectations on them with bigger fee's etc? Personally, I like what little i've seen and heard about him. I like his down to earth, almost psychologist approach to managing players as humans and not robots. I like the videos i've seen of him coaching, where he gets his players to think about the situations they find themselves in, and gives them options to think about, rather than the same old shape drilling and turning players into robots. "Do as I say, not as I do" approach. I might be wrong, a million times wrong, but I think that approach is more sustainable, and frankly, more transferrable for when he leaves and we have to replace (think long term here) than bringing in a dinosaur that might get results but drills his players to his methods. If you can teach players to think for themselves it makes them more adaptable to other styles of football surely? His side is struggling this year in Sweden and that might go against him. It might be construed as a flash in the pan but it could also be the rapid rise catching up with them, something that always happens to smaller clubs on the rise - think Stockport years ago. That doesn't mean he isn't transferrable to our league or our standard. It doesn't mean he automatically is either to be fair. He openly talks about building identities at football clubs, embedding that identity and aligning it with the local community (something we are already excellent at). He talks about he benefits of that in recruitment, and how it filters into it and makes it easier. I honestly think that rings true at this club and ticks a lot of boxes, because there is a lot of synergy in that with our owners and their business with Bet365 and the local area. Personally, i'd have him here tomorrow. It's a risk, of course it is, and it should be respected of those that say we don't need that risk right now. What if though? What if he came in and turned us right round, gave us a better identity and eventually got us back up playing a different brand of football, and helped forge a club that went hand in hand with the local community? Wouldn't that be a story? Wouldn't that be doing things right? Let's have a go? What have we really got to lose by trying? From my perspective the biggest question mark is managing the different egos you've rightly highlighted. The egos, expectations of players/fans and even youth players coupled with the pressure from all those angles and a ferocious media, it is a world away from what he will be used to. But if he is a master in emotional intelligence and with a big psychological twist I couldn't think of anyone better placed to deal with it either... If we are taking a risk. He's the type of risk I'd take in a heartbeat.
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Post by magwitch on May 19, 2018 14:15:34 GMT
I know people have concerns and let's start a debate here, seriously, let's have one. The concerns are valid aren't they? All he's done is managed a bunch of non league players in Sweden and took them through the divisions and into Europe. Sounds daft doesn't it? 'That's all he's done'. How will that translate to English football and the types of ego's that knock around here? Could you deal with players the same way? Could you manage players with expectations on them with bigger fee's etc? Personally, I like what little i've seen and heard about him. I like his down to earth, almost psychologist approach to managing players as humans and not robots. I like the videos i've seen of him coaching, where he gets his players to think about the situations they find themselves in, and gives them options to think about, rather than the same old shape drilling and turning players into robots. "Do as I say, not as I do" approach. I might be wrong, a million times wrong, but I think that approach is more sustainable, and frankly, more transferrable for when he leaves and we have to replace (think long term here) than bringing in a dinosaur that might get results but drills his players to his methods. If you can teach players to think for themselves it makes them more adaptable to other styles of football surely? His side is struggling this year in Sweden and that might go against him. It might be construed as a flash in the pan but it could also be the rapid rise catching up with them, something that always happens to smaller clubs on the rise - think Stockport years ago. That doesn't mean he isn't transferrable to our league or our standard. It doesn't mean he automatically is either to be fair. He openly talks about building identities at football clubs, embedding that identity and aligning it with the local community (something we are already excellent at). He talks about he benefits of that in recruitment, and how it filters into it and makes it easier. I honestly think that rings true at this club and ticks a lot of boxes, because there is a lot of synergy in that with our owners and their business with Bet365 and the local area. Personally, i'd have him here tomorrow. It's a risk, of course it is, and it should be respected of those that say we don't need that risk right now. What if though? What if he came in and turned us right round, gave us a better identity and eventually got us back up playing a different brand of football, and helped forge a club that went hand in hand with the local community? Wouldn't that be a story? Wouldn't that be doing things right? Let's have a go? What have we really got to lose by trying? Excellent post Great post. Graham Potter is the manager of the future, the 'thinking man's manager', and the first to realize his potential in the modern game will reap the benefits. The psychology of the player is everything and successful managers employ their own brand of it whether they understand exactly what they are doing or are just acting instinctively. Also the idea of building identities strikes a chord although I have never heard it explained by any manager like this before. Waddington achieved this at Stoke but it was lost after he went, which was a tragedy for the Club. I would like to see Potter at Stoke so he can put his ideas into effect.
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Post by spitthedog on May 19, 2018 15:26:23 GMT
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Post by spitthedog on May 19, 2018 15:42:22 GMT
oh dear 2-3 now...sloppy goal
maybe....lets just think about this Peter?
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Post by kerouac on May 19, 2018 15:44:30 GMT
If we are serious about evolving....yes there’s that word again.....and could perhaps be patient for a season,then he’s our man for sure. I’d love it if we showed some balls and took a risk because I think he could do wonders with some time and decent financial backing.Hes a thinker,perhaps a new Wenger of someone of that ilk,but we will never know if we don’t give him a chance.
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Post by spitthedog on May 19, 2018 15:47:55 GMT
Looks about League 2 level to me.
I don't know how relevant that is?
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Post by adamsson on May 19, 2018 19:52:47 GMT
Looks about League 2 level to me. I don't know how relevant that is? Knock out stages of the Europa league is premier league not league 2.
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Post by owdestokie2 on May 19, 2018 19:58:28 GMT
IMHO this post is completely irrelevant. Potter will not be our manager next season.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2018 19:59:23 GMT
IMHO this post is completely irrelevant. Potter will not be our manager next season. Very true sir.
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Post by numpty40 on May 19, 2018 20:12:39 GMT
IMHO this post is completely irrelevant. Potter will not be our manager next season. Sadly you are right. This last January we employed a 'proven, experienced manager'. Look at what a complete and utter fuck up that turned into. Potter would have been better than Lambert, of that I have no doubt.
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on May 19, 2018 20:28:43 GMT
8 points from 8 games this season, sat 5th from bottom. Great work over the last couple of years, but he's not invincibile. I'd like know how many of his fans on here actually have watched a game not including the European games last season. Not many I suspect, and if hasten to add I bet most of you wouldn't know him if he was sat next to you in the pub! I don't think anyone has suggested that he's taken a small team in Sweden to dominate their league. They're still a small club and there will be limits to what he can do with it. I'd expect him to struggle year on year in their too flight. Incidentally it's 8 bloody games. Why would you judge him on that and not the last 5 years?! Anyway, as another poster said. I only hope he is interviewed. Lots of the speculation in this thread is irrelevant as we don't know him personally. People laughed at Ferguson coming down to England and dismissed his achievements in a pub league. Wenger was laughed at initially coming from Japan. Then you've had the likes of Christian Gross who didn't work out. It's a risk but rather a risk than another short term dinosaur we've all seen millions of times.
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on May 19, 2018 20:29:53 GMT
8 points from 8 games this season, sat 5th from bottom. Great work over the last couple of years, but he's not invincibile. I'd like know how many of his fans on here actually have watched a game not including the European games last season. Not many I suspect, and if hasten to add I bet most of you wouldn't know him if he was sat next to you in the pub! And another thing....I'd recognise loads of shit managers if they sat next to me in the pub. What's your point?
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Post by thedarkknight on May 19, 2018 23:40:38 GMT
8 points from 8 games this season, sat 5th from bottom. Great work over the last couple of years, but he's not invincibile. I'd like know how many of his fans on here actually have watched a game not including the European games last season. Not many I suspect, and if hasten to add I bet most of you wouldn't know him if he was sat next to you in the pub! And another thing....I'd recognise loads of shit managers if they sat next to me in the pub. What's your point? Good for you.
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Post by spitthedog on May 19, 2018 23:50:51 GMT
Looks about League 2 level to me. I don't know how relevant that is? Knock out stages of the Europa league is premier league not league 2. Have you watched their games? I have seen them a few times now it is League 2 at best. They obviously had a good run in the cup, but they would struggle in League 1 thats for sure.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on May 20, 2018 0:43:32 GMT
Lambert's only job was to keep us up and he failed. Let's start again with Potter - we've got nothing to lose. The club have a huge amount to lose.
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Post by s7oke on May 20, 2018 5:26:10 GMT
I know people have concerns and let's start a debate here, seriously, let's have one. The concerns are valid aren't they? All he's done is managed a bunch of non league players in Sweden and took them through the divisions and into Europe. Sounds daft doesn't it? 'That's all he's done'. How will that translate to English football and the types of ego's that knock around here? Could you deal with players the same way? Could you manage players with expectations on them with bigger fee's etc? Personally, I like what little i've seen and heard about him. I like his down to earth, almost psychologist approach to managing players as humans and not robots. I like the videos i've seen of him coaching, where he gets his players to think about the situations they find themselves in, and gives them options to think about, rather than the same old shape drilling and turning players into robots. "Do as I say, not as I do" approach. I might be wrong, a million times wrong, but I think that approach is more sustainable, and frankly, more transferrable for when he leaves and we have to replace (think long term here) than bringing in a dinosaur that might get results but drills his players to his methods. If you can teach players to think for themselves it makes them more adaptable to other styles of football surely? His side is struggling this year in Sweden and that might go against him. It might be construed as a flash in the pan but it could also be the rapid rise catching up with them, something that always happens to smaller clubs on the rise - think Stockport years ago. That doesn't mean he isn't transferrable to our league or our standard. It doesn't mean he automatically is either to be fair. He openly talks about building identities at football clubs, embedding that identity and aligning it with the local community (something we are already excellent at). He talks about he benefits of that in recruitment, and how it filters into it and makes it easier. I honestly think that rings true at this club and ticks a lot of boxes, because there is a lot of synergy in that with our owners and their business with Bet365 and the local area. Personally, i'd have him here tomorrow. It's a risk, of course it is, and it should be respected of those that say we don't need that risk right now. What if though? What if he came in and turned us right round, gave us a better identity and eventually got us back up playing a different brand of football, and helped forge a club that went hand in hand with the local community? Wouldn't that be a story? Wouldn't that be doing things right? Let's have a go? What have we really got to lose by trying? Probably one of the best posts I have ever read 👍Bravo
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Post by biglad180 on May 20, 2018 8:30:53 GMT
if peter coates is serious about getting us back up fuck going for cheap options we want the best he can get. we have 100 million in parachute payments . they are the richest family in the midlands. if they cannot get us up with that money its god help the rest of the championship . its all about ambition. so lets not fuck about with asbins buy the best we can and we will piss the league.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 20, 2018 8:36:55 GMT
if peter coates is serious about getting us back up fuck going for cheap options we want the best he can get. we have 100 million in parachute payments . they are the richest family in the midlands. if they cannot get us up with that money its god help the rest of the championship . its all about ambition. so lets not fuck about with asbins buy the best we can and we will piss the league. You haven't actually said whether you think we should go for Graham Potter in that post!
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