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Post by magwitch on May 22, 2018 19:29:16 GMT
I hope Graham Potter gets the Swansea job, and I suspect he will surprise a lot of people and do very well. The competition between him and GR next season should be fascinating to watch.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 21:45:35 GMT
Looks favourite to land the job - been interviewed along with Jaap Stam and Frank De Boeur but is to be offered the job.
a bit of an unknown but I think he will do a good job there - a real motivator and gets 200% out of every player. Pity we couldn't have got him in as well!
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Post by wizzardofdribble on May 22, 2018 21:53:42 GMT
I hope Graham Potter gets the Swansea job, and I suspect he will surprise a lot of people and do very well. The competition between him and GR next season should be fascinating to watch. Let's hope it is fascinating rather than excruciating.
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Post by jzime on May 23, 2018 0:21:42 GMT
I hope Graham Potter gets the Swansea job, and I suspect he will surprise a lot of people and do very well. The competition between him and GR next season should be fascinating to watch. I really wanted Potter in January, especially after QSF turned us down. I wanted him this summer. I fully understand why we'd gone for somebody who is more experienced in England, mind; and am genuinely optimistic about life under Rowett. But I feel conflicted about Potter now. I would like to see him do well because it would be a real boost for young British coaches; it would hopefully encourage more of them to work outside their comfort zones in order to grow and also encourage clubs to punt on them a bit more (I'd also like to see him do well to vindicate my own opinions on him). But the selfish Stoke fan in me would like to see him struggle, just to keep a promotion rival at arms length.
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 23, 2018 0:58:22 GMT
I hope he gets the Swansea job so they are no danger to us.
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Post by Absolution on May 23, 2018 1:05:59 GMT
I have this gut feeling his methods are all a bit too thought out, a bit too scientific. With management you have to have an instinct for it. There’s a world of difference between the top tiers here and those in Sweden and I think the egos and pressures will be a lot harder to control.
I honestly hope he does well if he gets the job and I’ll be chuffed for him if he finishes second behind us next season, but initially at least I think managing in the Championship will be too big a step up.
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 23, 2018 1:12:58 GMT
I have this gut feeling his methods are all a bit too thought out, a bit too scientific. With management you have to have an instinct for it. There’s a world of difference between the top tiers here and those in Sweden and I think the egos and pressures will be a lot harder to control. I honestly hope he does well if he gets the job and I’ll be chuffed for him if he finishes second behind us next season, but initially at least I think managing in the Championship will be too big a step up. Why would you be 'chuffed' for him. He's not a Stokie or even came through the Stoke academy. He's from Solihull and played 45 games for us at a time when we were rather shit. He's no affinity for us whatsoever, may as well be championing Peter Handyside if he ever managed a football club.
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Post by Absolution on May 23, 2018 1:28:57 GMT
I have this gut feeling his methods are all a bit too thought out, a bit too scientific. With management you have to have an instinct for it. There’s a world of difference between the top tiers here and those in Sweden and I think the egos and pressures will be a lot harder to control. I honestly hope he does well if he gets the job and I’ll be chuffed for him if he finishes second behind us next season, but initially at least I think managing in the Championship will be too big a step up. Why would you be 'chuffed' for him. He's not a Stokie or even came through the Stoke academy. He's from Solihull and played 45 games for us at a time when we were rather shit. He's no affinity for us whatsoever, may as well be championing Peter Handyside if he ever managed a football club. Mainly because having listened to a couple of interviews with him and read a few articles about him he seems a decent bloke, plus he‘s an ex-Stoke player. I liked Peter Handysides too as it goes. Does that cause you a problem?
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Post by PotterLog on May 23, 2018 1:29:36 GMT
I have this gut feeling his methods are all a bit too thought out, a bit too scientific. With management you have to have an instinct for it. There’s a world of difference between the top tiers here and those in Sweden and I think the egos and pressures will be a lot harder to control. I honestly hope he does well if he gets the job and I’ll be chuffed for him if he finishes second behind us next season, but initially at least I think managing in the Championship will be too big a step up. Why would you be 'chuffed' for him. He's not a Stokie or even came through the Stoke academy. He's from Solihull and played 45 games for us at a time when we were rather shit. He's no affinity for us whatsoever, may as well be championing Peter Handyside if he ever managed a football club. Being nice?
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Post by Absolution on May 23, 2018 1:36:21 GMT
Why would you be 'chuffed' for him. He's not a Stokie or even came through the Stoke academy. He's from Solihull and played 45 games for us at a time when we were rather shit. He's no affinity for us whatsoever, may as well be championing Peter Handyside if he ever managed a football club. Being nice? Seemed a bit of a strange thing to be picking me up over, particularly as I’d given a rationale as to why I thought he’d probably fall short at this level. Maybe should have called him an absolute cunt for daring to hail from Solihull.
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Post by sheffieldstokie82 on May 23, 2018 1:47:18 GMT
He played for us, his surname is our nickname, he's been outrageously successful with a tiny club and he seems like a decent chap. What's not to like?
Potter for the Potters, one day it must happen. I'm a little disappointed it hasn't happened this time but Rowett would've probably been my second choice.
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Post by houstonsteve on May 23, 2018 2:58:09 GMT
I know the town of Ostersund (no ability to spell correctly on my laptop) well ( I have skied close by a lot, walked on the frozen lake, chilled there). What Graham has achieved is phenomenal and may be unique, but it is the type of achievement that only happens with a certain type of leadership (the key is delivery and behavior). How that translates remains to be seen. Rosenberg in Trondheim had a similar type of manager in Nils Arne Eggen (basically the Brian Clough of Norwegian football - albeit starting from a higher level and budget than Potter) and I saw them beat Real Madrid in the champions league which was both special and surreal.
Potter is a savant leader who will succeed. He is already beyond Stokes "big club in a small league ambition" because by the time we get back to the "golden sow" this lad will be in a different stratosphere.
Bring this back up when we get promoted please. A Potter managing the Potters - how can this be passed up.......... good lord
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Post by pbpotter on May 23, 2018 4:09:23 GMT
I know the town of Ostersund (no ability to spell correctly on my laptop) well ( I have skied close by a lot, walked on the frozen lake, chilled there). What Graham has achieved is phenomenal and may be unique, but it is the type of achievement that only happens with a certain type of leadership (the key is delivery and behavior). How that translates remains to be seen. Rosenberg in Trondheim had a similar type of manager in Nils Arne Eggen (basically the Brian Clough of Norwegian football - albeit starting from a higher level and budget than Potter) and I saw them beat Real Madrid in the champions league which was both special and surreal. Potter is a savant leader who will succeed. He is already beyond Stokes "big club in a small league ambition" because by the time we get back to the "golden sow" this lad will be in a different stratosphere. Bring this back up when we get promoted please. A Potter managing the Potters - how can this be passed up.......... good lord I think you could be right. He could be destined for greatness. Equally he could have just found the right club for him in Ostersund and find in a more complex challenging and sometimes completely unfair and unjust environment that his core principles around management are much harder to execute. I would have like for us to have taken the risk. It's beyond that now although i wish him well except against us.
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Post by numpty40 on May 23, 2018 17:54:45 GMT
I was calling for Potter in January and I still have this thought that we've passed up on a golden opportunity. Posters are talking about managing players of a significant level above what Potter has managed so far and I accept that. The thing is though all professional footballers are institutionalised from very young ages and if a coach connects with them early then the coaches playing career becomes irrelevant: Sir Alex Mourinho Wenger Klopp Ranieri.... for example. I genuinely hope Potter is a success if he gets the Swansea gig because he's taken himself out of a comfort zone, studied in his own time and at his own cost before moving his family into a wilderness to improve himself as a coach. I just hope the Swansea board have the patience to pursue the bigger picture if he starts poorly because appointing Potter is a longer term project.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 17:58:21 GMT
I hope he gets the Swansea job so they are no danger to us. Even the Championship is a massive step up from Sweden 👍
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Post by PotterLog on May 23, 2018 18:08:50 GMT
I hope he gets the Swansea job so they are no danger to us. Even the Championship is a massive step up from Sweden 👍 Not a massive step up from Galatasaray and Arsenal in the Europa League though
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Post by numpty40 on May 23, 2018 18:18:16 GMT
Even the Championship is a massive step up from Sweden 👍 Not a massive step up from Galatasaray and Arsenal in the Europa League though That's what's so impressive about him, Ostersund's were played off the park in the first leg. Potter learned from that game and beat Arsenal away and frightened the life out of them. He studies the game and then works with his players in the week.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 18:21:30 GMT
Even the Championship is a massive step up from Sweden 👍 Not a massive step up from Galatasaray and Arsenal in the Europa League though Cup finals for the players, no need for any motivation. Very, very long 46 game season will be a huge step up, impatient fans and owners as opposed to an owner with a long-term vision, but I get what you're saying mate 👍
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Post by numpty40 on May 23, 2018 18:28:29 GMT
Not a massive step up from Galatasaray and Arsenal in the Europa League though Cup finals for the players, no need for any motivation. Very, very long 46 game season will be a huge step up, impatient fans and owners as opposed to an owner with a long-term vision, but I get what you're saying mate 👍 Three promotions, a domestic cup win and wins against Galatasaray and Arsenal in Europa Cup games needs a little more than motivation
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 18:37:01 GMT
Cup finals for the players, no need for any motivation. Very, very long 46 game season will be a huge step up, impatient fans and owners as opposed to an owner with a long-term vision, but I get what you're saying mate 👍 Three promotions, a domestic cup win and wins against Galatasaray and Arsenal in Europa Cup games needs a little more than motivation Try geeing up a load of Premier League prima donnas players at the likes of Leeds, Derby, Rotherham et Al 😬 But yes he's punched above his weight and will be a success, hopefully not next season IF he gets the job 👍
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 18:40:56 GMT
I have this gut feeling his methods are all a bit too thought out, a bit too scientific. With management you have to have an instinct for it. There’s a world of difference between the top tiers here and those in Sweden and I think the egos and pressures will be a lot harder to control. I honestly hope he does well if he gets the job and I’ll be chuffed for him if he finishes second behind us next season, but initially at least I think managing in the Championship will be too big a step up. Why would you be 'chuffed' for him. He's not a Stokie or even came through the Stoke academy. He's from Solihull and played 45 games for us at a time when we were rather shit. He's no affinity for us whatsoever, may as well be championing Peter Handyside if he ever managed a football club. He was playing for us when we reached the first division play offs under Macari, when to be fair we were far from shit.
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Post by thischarmingmanc on May 23, 2018 22:35:07 GMT
Whats he done shat in your cornflakes? I wanted him here i thought the would have done good job, we now get to see if would have been good enough. I have this gut feeling his methods are all a bit too thought out, a bit too scientific. With management you have to have an instinct for it. There’s a world of difference between the top tiers here and those in Sweden and I think the egos and pressures will be a lot harder to control. I honestly hope he does well if he gets the job and I’ll be chuffed for him if he finishes second behind us next season, but initially at least I think managing in the Championship will be too big a step up. Why would you be 'chuffed' for him. He's not a Stokie or even came through the Stoke academy. He's from Solihull and played 45 games for us at a time when we were rather shit. He's no affinity for us whatsoever, may as well be championing Peter Handyside if he ever managed a football club.
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Post by Bagwash on May 24, 2018 0:32:31 GMT
Hope Graham Potter does well wherever he ends up(ex Stokie and all that)but not at our expense.As someone stated on another thread if he hadn't played for us then no one would give him a second thought. I would have chosen Rowett over Potter every time and I am happy with his appointment but if he does get a job in our division then it will be interesting to see how it pans out.
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Post by magwitch on May 24, 2018 6:00:51 GMT
Hope Graham Potter does well wherever he ends up(ex Stokie and all that)but not at our expense.As someone stated on another thread if he hadn't played for us then no one would give him a second thought.I would have chosen Rowett over Potter every time and I am happy with his appointment but if he does get a job in our division then it will be interesting to see how it pans out. I was in favour of Graham Potter in January, and think a huge opportunity was lost. I suspect Swansea will do well under his regime and be a major competitor in the Championship. As far as I know he has never played for Swansea, but they have given him rather more than a second thought. Does that mean Swansea supporters think differently than up here in Stoke?
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 6:23:46 GMT
Why would you be 'chuffed' for him. He's not a Stokie or even came through the Stoke academy. He's from Solihull and played 45 games for us at a time when we were rather shit. He's no affinity for us whatsoever, may as well be championing Peter Handyside if he ever managed a football club. Mainly because having listened to a couple of interviews with him and read a few articles about him he seems a decent bloke, plus he‘s an ex-Stoke player. I liked Peter Handysides too as it goes. Does that cause you a problem? Didn't we sign him from Grimsby? Heady days those 😁👍
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 24, 2018 9:58:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 10:10:54 GMT
Hope Graham Potter does well wherever he ends up(ex Stokie and all that)but not at our expense.As someone stated on another thread if he hadn't played for us then no one would give him a second thought.I would have chosen Rowett over Potter every time and I am happy with his appointment but if he does get a job in our division then it will be interesting to see how it pans out. I was in favour of Graham Potter in January, and think a huge opportunity was lost. I suspect Swansea will do well under his regime and be a major competitor in the Championship. As far as I know he has never played for Swansea, but they have given him rather more than a second thought. Does that mean Swansea supporters think differently than up here in Stoke? I don't think so at all. If this MB is any barometer, he was very much in people's thoughts despite him never being seriously linked with the vacancy back in January or this time around. It would be a huge gamble to bring in someone like Potter; one that may pay off. It might be an experiment that fails spectacularly too.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 24, 2018 10:26:02 GMT
The theory that some of our fans have that he is only popular with some Stokies because he played briefly for us is simply bollox. His exploits in the Swedish League and in the Europa League have caused a lot of the footballing world to "take notice" that he may have a great future ahead of him. If he goes to Swansea then it won't only be Stokies who follow his career with interest.
He has done a remarkable job with a very small club in Sweden. To put it in perspective, in winning the Europa League second leg at the Emirates, he has done something we never managed in 10 attempts in the PL - win away at Arsenal.
I'm happy with Rowett - but I would certainly have been happy with Potter. Of course it is a gamble - it appears Swansea are prepared to take that gamble but the Stoke board aren't. I won't criticise the Stoke board for not taking that gamble - but I certainly won't be criticising the Swansea board if they do take it as it could pay off big time.
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on May 24, 2018 11:35:02 GMT
I did not think for one moment that Stoke would consider Potter, the Coates' are to risk averse ( hence why they are bookies) Swansea on the other hand have history in appointing "left field" candidates some of which paid off (Martinez) some which didn't ( Bradley) It will indeed be interesting to see how things pan out if they do appoint Potter.
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Post by santy on May 24, 2018 11:53:31 GMT
The biggest issue hanging over Potter is not so much even managerial capability. It's the environment. It's very likely he has a club set-up and run to his specification, probably even establishing various parts of it as the club became more successful and they transitioned from what was presumably a part time set-up to something on the fringes of European football. When going into an already well established club he's going to find staff that aren't his (executives, scouts, data analysts etc) who will not be working the way he has been used to in a set-up where he is seen as the pivotal figure.
Also its a different dressing room, coming into another club he doesn't have players who perhaps owe their career to him. Instead he will have players who, even if not openly, will have a niggling bit of doubt in their minds that he doesn't know enough about their level of ability to tell them what to do. There won't be a dressing room of ardent Potter supporters there who will help lessen this sentiment. We'll have it to with Rowett, but Rowett should have already come up against that perhaps a little bit at Derby and Birmingham to a lesser degree.
Ultimately though, if Potter comes in and starts well then its very likely everything will be fine. At least he'll get time if it later takes a bit of a downturn. But if things start bad, he will lose the support of those who have their own jobs to preserve at the club very quickly, he'll lose the support of the players who will have numerous negatives about him to fall back on that are 'reasonable' and so it will deal a hefty blow to his career.
Stale Solbakken was the Potter before Potter about 5 years ago. Promising, had done some impressive stuff in Scandinavia (had a small team then went to one of the bigger teams) and was 'ready' for English football. He lasted about 6 months at Wolves in a similar set-up to what Potter is coming into.
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