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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 4, 2017 11:33:10 GMT
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jan 4, 2017 11:50:43 GMT
Funny how it's rarely players who are playing well that have a go at the fans.
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Post by andylgr on Jan 4, 2017 12:59:20 GMT
I didn't see any problem with what he did. Frankly the support last night was horrendous, of course we weren't playing very well by any stretch, but sometimes that happens. We can't have it our own way all the time. Shawcross would know that had he not scored that goal so late that we would have been booed off too.
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Post by Waggy on Jan 4, 2017 13:02:44 GMT
I didn't see any problem with what he did. Frankly the support last night was horrendous, of course we weren't playing very well by any stretch, but sometimes that happens. We can't have it our own way all the time. Shawcross would know that had he not scored that goal so late that we would have been booed off too. Yes OTT to do article on that. |
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Post by gibby1409 on Jan 4, 2017 13:13:57 GMT
Well over the top with that article.
There is an argument Ryan shouldn't react, but the article makes us out as a right load of luvvies who don't like any critiscism back!
Let's just fu***ng get on with it! 😉
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Post by alster on Jan 4, 2017 13:20:24 GMT
I didn't see any problem with what he did. Frankly the support last night was horrendous, of course we weren't playing very well by any stretch, but sometimes that happens. We can't have it our own way all the time. Shawcross would know that had he not scored that goal so late that we would have been booed off too. What are you talking about the support turned out on a cold midwinter night and were rewarded with an absolutely dross game of football. "We can't have it our own way all the time" we haven't put in a good home performance in over a fucking year. We won 2-0 the ground was more than half empty when I left god only knows what it was like at the final whistle, thats the next best thing to being booed off despite the result. |
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Post by andylgr on Jan 4, 2017 13:24:12 GMT
I didn't see any problem with what he did. Frankly the support last night was horrendous, of course we weren't playing very well by any stretch, but sometimes that happens. We can't have it our own way all the time. Shawcross would know that had he not scored that goal so late that we would have been booed off too. What are you talking about the support turned out on a cold midwinter night and were rewarded with an absolutely dross game of football. "We can't have it our own way all the time" we haven't put in a good home performance in over a fucking year. We won 2-0 the ground was more than half empty when I left god only knows what it was like at the final whistle, thats the next best thing to being booed off despite the result. Thats your definition of supporting the team - Just turn up, sit on your arse and expect to be entertained instead of backing the team? Get in the real world mate, theres 19 other teams competing in the premier league, it can't go our way all the time, we aren't going to win all the time and we're not going to play well every game, thats the reality. The standard of our support really has changed since those early days in the Prem, now some fans expect and want it on a plate. The weather and time of year has nowt to do with it. If its a bit cold for you then you're better off staying at home or supporting a big team instead that you can watch from the comfort of your nice warm living room where winning most games is virtually guaranteed. Anecdoctal stuff about the ground being half empty is just rubbish too. |
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Post by alster on Jan 4, 2017 13:34:50 GMT
What are you talking about the support turned out on a cold midwinter night and were rewarded with an absolutely dross game of football. "We can't have it our own way all the time" we haven't put in a good home performance in over a fucking year. We won 2-0 the ground was more than half empty when I left god only knows what it was like at the final whistle, thats the next best thing to being booed off despite the result. Thats you definition of supporting the team - Just turn up, sit on your arse and expect to be entertained instead of backing the team? Get in the real world mate, theres 19 other teams competing in the premier league, it can't go our way all the time. The weather and time of year has nowt to do with it. If its a bit cold for you then you're better off staying at home or supporting a big team instead that you can watch from the comfort of your nice warm living room. Another shithead superfan. I can watch every single Premier League game from the comfort of my living room I choose to have a ST and go to our home games but that doesn't mean I'll just happy clap whatever shit football our manager serves up. |
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Post by andylgr on Jan 4, 2017 13:39:34 GMT
Thats you definition of supporting the team - Just turn up, sit on your arse and expect to be entertained instead of backing the team? Get in the real world mate, theres 19 other teams competing in the premier league, it can't go our way all the time. The weather and time of year has nowt to do with it. If its a bit cold for you then you're better off staying at home or supporting a big team instead that you can watch from the comfort of your nice warm living room. Another shithead superfan. I can watch every single Premier League game from the comfort of my living room I choose to have a ST and go to our home games but that doesn't mean I'll just happy clap whatever shit football our manager serves up. I'm not unrealistic though, we aren't going to play well every game, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to sit their and moan and leave early, thats just backing your team. Over the years we've seen worse shit than that performance last night though. |
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Post by WhyDelilah on Jan 4, 2017 13:40:38 GMT
Smudge is spot on in my opinion.
I was going to post the same but feared a backlash.
He was out of order in my opinion. You can argue he's free to his opinion too. And he is. But if he's going to start publicly dishing it out to us moving forward, he will lose a lot of support and respect.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 4, 2017 13:41:54 GMT
Very touchy stuff from Smudge there. Shawcross using social media has probably heard about some of the filth on this messageboard about him recently and is probably a bit fed up of walking off the pitch to a wall of red seats after every match, whatever the result.
Personally I find charlatans like £18M Imbula taking the piss out of every hard working Stoke fan a little harder to take than an exceptionally minor dig by the Captain but there you go.
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Post by gibby1409 on Jan 4, 2017 13:45:33 GMT
Smudge is spot on in my opinion. I was going to post the same but feared a backlash. He was out of order in my opinion. You can argue he's free to his opinion too. And he is. But if he's going to start publicly dishing it out to us moving forward, he will lose a lot of support and respect. Don't you think it makes us look over sensitive and a bit precious though? It can be dodgy ground I agree with that, and maybe he should know better, but at least he cares. There's the old adage that we pay our money and are free to criticise/praise as we see fit, which is fine. But to get all precious when we get a bit back doesn't look good imo. |
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Post by Davef on Jan 4, 2017 13:47:10 GMT
Very touchy stuff from Smudge there. Shawcross using social media has probably heard about some of the filth on this messageboard about him recently and is probably a bit fed up of walking off the pitch to a wall of red seats after every match, whatever the result. Personally I find charlatans like £18M Imbula taking the piss out of every hard working Stoke fan a little harder to take than an exceptionally minor dig by the Captain but there you go. Could you point me in the direction of some of this "filth"? |
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Post by alster on Jan 4, 2017 13:48:51 GMT
Another shithead superfan. I can watch every single Premier League game from the comfort of my living room I choose to have a ST and go to our home games but that doesn't mean I'll just happy clap whatever shit football our manager serves up. I'm not unrealistic though, we aren't going to play well every game, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to sit their and moan and leave early, thats just backing your team. Over the years we've seen worse shit than that performance last night though. " Play well every game " we haven't played well at home for over a year. Not only a shithead superfan but a shithead super fan with alzheimer's. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 13:50:06 GMT
Very touchy stuff from Smudge there. Shawcross using social media has probably heard about some of the filth on this messageboard about him recently and is probably a bit fed up of walking off the pitch to a wall of red seats after every match, whatever the result. Personally I find charlatans like £18M Imbula taking the piss out of every hard working Stoke fan a little harder to take than an exceptionally minor dig by the Captain but there you go. Bob on Sheikh. |
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Post by WhyDelilah on Jan 4, 2017 13:51:37 GMT
Smudge is spot on in my opinion. I was going to post the same but feared a backlash. He was out of order in my opinion. You can argue he's free to his opinion too. And he is. But if he's going to start publicly dishing it out to us moving forward, he will lose a lot of support and respect. Don't you think it makes us look over sensitive and a bit precious though? It can be dodgy ground I agree with that, and maybe he should know better, but at least he cares. There's the old adage that we pay our money and are free to criticise/praise as we see fit, which is fine. But to get all precious when we get a bit back doesn't look good imo. Who is getting precious? Are you going to accuse Ryan of being "precious" for reacting in a petulant and naive way in the first place? Smudge has given an opinion and it's one I happen to agree with. |
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Post by andylgr on Jan 4, 2017 13:51:44 GMT
I'm not unrealistic though, we aren't going to play well every game, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to sit their and moan and leave early, thats just backing your team. Over the years we've seen worse shit than that performance last night though. " Play well every game " we haven't played well at home for over a year. In your opinion. Not only a shithead superfan but a shithead super fan with alzheimer's. Pretty clear you haven't got much to say for yourself when it descends into personal abuse. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 4, 2017 13:57:28 GMT
Very touchy stuff from Smudge there. Shawcross using social media has probably heard about some of the filth on this messageboard about him recently and is probably a bit fed up of walking off the pitch to a wall of red seats after every match, whatever the result. Personally I find charlatans like £18M Imbula taking the piss out of every hard working Stoke fan a little harder to take than an exceptionally minor dig by the Captain but there you go. Could you point me in the direction of some of this "filth"? It may have been tidied up but the five page thread about him that surfaced over new year was beyond the pale for a modern day Stoke City hero. |
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Post by mrred on Jan 4, 2017 13:59:52 GMT
Can someone copy / paste, please? I'm not going on that turd of a website.
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Post by gibby1409 on Jan 4, 2017 14:00:46 GMT
Don't you think it makes us look over sensitive and a bit precious though? It can be dodgy ground I agree with that, and maybe he should know better, but at least he cares. There's the old adage that we pay our money and are free to criticise/praise as we see fit, which is fine. But to get all precious when we get a bit back doesn't look good imo. Who is getting precious? Are you going to accuse Ryan of being "precious" for reacting in a petulant and naive way in the first place? Smudge has given an opinion and it's one I happen to agree with. I'm not questioning your choice to agree or disagree with Smudge, but surely you can already see the tone in this thread to pick up on how sensitive we are to any form of critiscism from the players? I think I'd already mentioned that it maybe wasn't the wisest thing for Ryan to do, but imo, Smudge is making the Stoke supporter's look "precious" in his article, and I think he's gone way over the top. |
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Post by jezzascfc on Jan 4, 2017 14:03:57 GMT
I am in Smudge's camp on this one.
Something has gone wrong in the past year or so - we ship goals, too often lack fight, the flair players waltz around with seemingly little care for the outcome (save for an honourable exception in Arnie). Now, even our captain and club legend is cupping his bloody ears after scoring - how dare we criticism the shit football he has been part of producing for large parts of 2016!!! Sit down and shut up, eh, Ryan?
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Post by reddipotter on Jan 4, 2017 14:05:19 GMT
I can't help feeling that such a tetchy response from as mild-mannered a man as Ryan Shawcross suggests that all is not happy in the players' camp.
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Post by mrred on Jan 4, 2017 14:06:20 GMT
I think his reaction maybe comes as a surprise as even as someone that's held in such high esteem, he's quite a private quiet bloke and doesn't have much / any interaction with fans in the ground as far as I know of. He'll wave (presumably to his mrs / kids in the box), I can't remember seeing him reciprocate the applause to the Boothen (we sit in the South) and shakes hands with his team mates / opposition after. Again- as far as I'm aware.
But yeah, I thought it was quite off par for your club captain to react to fans with that level of disdain.
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Post by alster on Jan 4, 2017 14:23:27 GMT
" Play well every game " we haven't played well at home for over a year. In your opinion. Not only a shithead superfan but a shithead super fan with alzheimer's. Pretty clear you haven't got much to say for yourself when it descends into personal abuse. I have plenty to say but you're right the abuse is uncalled for and not upto the standards I set for myself. My apologies for the words used but not the message they convey. Happy clap all you want but just because other fans see things differently doesn't make you a better fan apart from in your own mind |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 4, 2017 14:26:31 GMT
When you think of some of the piss taking wankers we've had playing for the club over the years and at a time when Stoke fans seem as split as they have for nearly four years it seems a particularly odd time to take agin a lad who has literally put his back on the line for the club.
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 4, 2017 14:27:26 GMT
I didn't see any problem with what he did. Frankly the support last night was horrendous, of course we weren't playing very well by any stretch, but sometimes that happens. We can't have it our own way all the time. Shawcross would know that had he not scored that goal so late that we would have been booed off too. Lets get some context here! How much do the supporters pay???......and how much do the players earn??? |
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Post by Gordon Marshall on Jan 4, 2017 14:28:19 GMT
We have become sensitive souls. So what if he cupped his fucking ears. Some abuse him saying hes gone shit , he cups his ears and some start mard arseing .
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Post by andylgr on Jan 4, 2017 14:29:49 GMT
In your opinion. Pretty clear you haven't got much to say for yourself when it descends into personal abuse. I have plenty to say but you're right the abuse is uncalled for and not upto the standards I set for myself. My apologies for the words used but not the message they convey. Happy clap all you want but just because other fans see things differently doesn't make you a better fan apart from in your own mind I don't think I'm a better fan, far from it, but last nights very vocal displeasure when players looked like they were genuinely struggling to get going, followed by listening to the radio on the way home made me think how much we've changed in terms of how we support the team. Thats probably a lot to do with the high standards we set with some of our performances over the last couple of years and I agree that is where I want us to be again, but we can't take it for granted. Maybe theres more going on than we know about, players are out of form, maybe they aren't responding to Hughes or maybe this is their level of inconsistency which is why they aren't at bigger clubs, Who knows, but I don't think how fans were reacting helps the situation much. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 4, 2017 14:31:40 GMT
We have become sensitive souls. So what if he cupped his fucking ears. Some abuse him saying hes gone shit , he cups his ears and some start mard arseing . And it really was the briefest of motions obviously borne out of frustration. You'd think he'd have that often overused phrase 'plenty in the bank', if it did offend your sensitive heart. |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jan 4, 2017 14:32:23 GMT
That article is well over the top.
Football is an emotional game. Yes he is highly paid but he just scored a goal after seeing the palpable frustration in the crowd and the whole team was about to get booed off at half-time.
Good on Shawcross. It actually shows he GIVES A FUCK about Stoke and what the fans think.
Hes hardly stuck his fingers up at the crowd. Just giving us the ear is a bit of a GEE UP to the library that BET365 has become.
We are so precious at times. More like Arsenal fans every day
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