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Post by Waggy on Jan 4, 2017 16:56:31 GMT
I don't remember Denis Smith cupping his hands to his ears. He just got on with the game. The only goal celebration before sky tv was one arm raised with either a finger point in the air or a hand raise.
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Post by gibby1409 on Jan 4, 2017 17:05:13 GMT
I don't remember Denis Smith cupping his hands to his ears. He just got on with the game. If the Oatcake had been in existence when Smithy played,and someone said the things about him that they said about Ryan, he'd have twatted them 😉
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Post by OldStokie on Jan 4, 2017 17:53:44 GMT
His reaction was silly and petulant. The only thing he's achieved with it is to drive an even deeper wedge between the players and the over-critical supporters. So who wins from that situation? There are no winners. And I'm thinking that if he did that when he did, then he must have taken that attitude onto the pitch with him before the game, and because he's the captain, that attitude will also have rubbed off on other players. Not a good place to be methinks. He needs to sort his mind out. No supporters in the land have watched his back so well since the Ramsay incident as we Stoke fans have. Has he forgotten that? And as for Smudge's piece, it wasn't just about THAT incident. The general tone of the article was spot on.
OS.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Jan 4, 2017 17:56:30 GMT
His reaction was silly and petulant. The only thing he's achieved with it is to drive an even deeper wedge between the players and the over-critical supporters. So who wins from that situation? There are no winners. And I'm thinking that if he did that when he did, then he must have taken that attitude onto the pitch with him before the game, and because he's the captain, that attitude will also have rubbed off on other players. Not a good place to be methinks. He needs to sort his mind out. No supporters in the land have watched his back so well since the Ramsay incident as we Stoke fans have. Has he forgotten that? And as for Smudge's piece, it wasn't just about THAT incident. The general tone of the article was spot on. OS. Ever the voice of reason, M.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jan 4, 2017 17:59:01 GMT
If I was the captain, and I scored right before half time, I'd run right to WD's seat and lay out a glistening, marauding turd on it.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 4, 2017 18:01:02 GMT
His reaction was silly and petulant. The only thing he's achieved with it is to drive an even deeper wedge between the players and the over-critical supporters. So who wins from that situation? There are no winners. And I'm thinking that if he did that when he did, then he must have taken that attitude onto the pitch with him before the game, and because he's the captain, that attitude will also have rubbed off on other players. Not a good place to be methinks. He needs to sort his mind out. No supporters in the land have watched his back so well since the Ramsay incident as we Stoke fans have. Has he forgotten that? And as for Smudge's piece, it wasn't just about THAT incident. The general tone of the article was spot on. OS. So he planned the whole thing now No one has ever reacted instinctively with a very very minor gesture after a goal before ........ever!
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Post by greyman on Jan 4, 2017 18:03:09 GMT
His reaction was silly and petulant. The only thing he's achieved with it is to drive an even deeper wedge between the players and the over-critical supporters. So who wins from that situation? There are no winners. And I'm thinking that if he did that when he did, then he must have taken that attitude onto the pitch with him before the game, and because he's the captain, that attitude will also have rubbed off on other players. Not a good place to be methinks. He needs to sort his mind out. No supporters in the land have watched his back so well since the Ramsay incident as we Stoke fans have. Has he forgotten that? And as for Smudge's piece, it wasn't just about THAT incident. The general tone of the article was spot on. OS. So he planned the whole thing now No one has ever reacted instinctively with a very very minor gesture after a goal before ........ever! Come on mate. Don't resort to strawman arguments. He never said that.
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 4, 2017 18:03:25 GMT
I didn't see any problem with what he did. Frankly the support last night was horrendous, of course we weren't playing very well by any stretch, but sometimes that happens. We can't have it our own way all the time. Shawcross would know that had he not scored that goal so late that we would have been booed off too. What are you talking about the support turned out on a cold midwinter night and were rewarded with an absolutely dross game of football. "We can't have it our own way all the time" we haven't put in a good home performance in over a fucking year. We won 2-0 the ground was more than half empty when I left god only knows what it was like at the final whistle, thats the next best thing to being booed off despite the result. Christ you are a brave man to confess to this forum that you didn't stay to the end,like a proper fan.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Jan 4, 2017 18:04:09 GMT
If I was the captain, and I scored right before half time, I'd run right to WD's seat and lay out a glistening, marauding turd on it. 😘
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 4, 2017 18:05:29 GMT
So he planned the whole thing now No one has ever reacted instinctively with a very very minor gesture after a goal before ........ever! Come on mate. Don't resort to strawman arguments. He never said that. Oh come on Mark, he's talking about an 'attitude' before the game that's now 'rubbed off' on to other players. Old Pissy Slippers has entered the realms of fantasy now
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jan 4, 2017 18:05:59 GMT
Ffs....just because it's Ryan, get over it, he's deserved a little bit of criticism over recent weeks....at Liverpool he was dire, along with the majority of the side....accept it Ryan and just get on with what your paid to do!!! With all his money, if he went out and brought something that he wasn't happy about, I'm sure he'd complain!!!
Look at the shit Wilson got week after week after week!!!
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Post by alster on Jan 4, 2017 18:06:31 GMT
What are you talking about the support turned out on a cold midwinter night and were rewarded with an absolutely dross game of football. "We can't have it our own way all the time" we haven't put in a good home performance in over a fucking year. We won 2-0 the ground was more than half empty when I left god only knows what it was like at the final whistle, thats the next best thing to being booed off despite the result. Christ you are a brave man to confess to this forum that you didn't stay to the end,like a proper fan. Fucking good job I didn't leave when I got bored I would have missed both goals.
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 4, 2017 18:09:38 GMT
That article is well over the top. Football is an emotional game. Yes he is highly paid but he just scored a goal after seeing the palpable frustration in the crowd and the whole team was about to get booed off at half-time. Good on Shawcross. It actually shows he GIVES A FUCK about Stoke and what the fans think. Hes hardly stuck his fingers up at the crowd. Just giving us the ear is a bit of a GEE UP to the library that BET365 has become. We are so precious at times. More like Arsenal fans every day This. He's not stupid. He knows what's being said by the fans and he can sense the mood in the stadium. He cares about this club as much as any one of us. He's probably also a bit pissed off about fans moaning and getting on the backs of players, as opposed to supporting and attempting to lift them. Due to being on the other side of the world, I can't attend games unfortunately. I have, however, seen on TV and heard from fans that attend, that the atmosphere at the stadium has become a bit toxic in recent months. No surprises that performances have dipped too. Performances on the pitch and reactions in the stands are more closely related than most seem to realize. The siege mentality that helped us through our first couple of years in the Prem is a prime example that we all witnessed. Unfortunately, our fans would rather have a good old moan and write players representing our club off, as opposed to trying to be constructive and getting behind the team. Some seem to be getting ahead of ourselves. We are Stoke and we used to be a team. Things won't always go right and we won't always play well. When that happens, we, the fans, have a role to play to help the team. Or we could throw a big wobbly and chuck our toys out the pram... It's quite bizarre really it's almost like some fans want us to fail.I can't figure it out myself, i'm talking about fans that have followed this club a long time and have followed them all over the country through thick and very thin. I really can't fathom it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 18:09:41 GMT
What a load of tosh over nothing I have no issue whatsoever with Ryan he's human and some of the shite posted is pathetic personal abuse so good on him.
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 4, 2017 18:14:37 GMT
Ffs....just because it's Ryan, get over it, he's deserved a little bit of criticism over recent weeks....at Liverpool he was dire, along with the majority of the side....accept it Ryan and just get on with what your paid to do!!! With all his money, if he went out and brought something that he wasn't happy about, I'm sure he'd complain!!! Look at the shit Wilson got week after week after week!!! Your right,but Wilson was that extra bit shit you have to say . Certainly not the best left back in the premier as was often proclaimed by one previous incumbent.
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Post by OldStokie on Jan 4, 2017 18:16:02 GMT
Come on mate. Don't resort to strawman arguments. He never said that. Oh come on Mark, he's talking about an 'attitude' before the game that's now 'rubbed off' on to other players. Old Pissy Slippers has entered the realms of fantasy now Fuck off you rotund cunt! With me and greyers on the case... I'll provide you with the tools... OS.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 4, 2017 18:17:27 GMT
Talk about over reaction on both sides. Who really gives a shit?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 18:18:05 GMT
Are the same fans abusing our own players and manager on here week after week upset because Ryan "cupped" his ears ?
laughable hypocrites.
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Post by Onneravineet on Jan 4, 2017 18:20:12 GMT
Ryan would have eliminated shit loads of the negative rumblings on here if he had celebrated the goal with passion instead of petulance.
I think that is what Smudge is saying in his article. It's obvious that the verbals he gets from, let's face it, the MINORITY OF THE MINORITY ( or morons ) haven't fallen on deaf ears but to respond in the manner he did landed on a wider audience. That audience is one that would have celebrated with as much passion as you would expect from a Club Captain that had netted his first goal for two years.
Instead we were left going "oh? Why's that? Is that a dig at us?"..."that's a bit off". In my opinion it took the shine off what should have been one of the brighter parts of a pretty dull and turgid night.
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Post by alster on Jan 4, 2017 18:21:39 GMT
Ffs....just because it's Ryan, get over it, he's deserved a little bit of criticism over recent weeks....at Liverpool he was dire, along with the majority of the side....accept it Ryan and just get on with what your paid to do!!! With all his money, if he went out and brought something that he wasn't happy about, I'm sure he'd complain!!! Look at the shit Wilson got week after week after week!!! Your right,but Wilson was that extra bit shit you have to say . Certainly not the best left back in the premier as was often proclaimed by one previous incumbent. I don't like to get on players backs at the game but I have to confess I lost it with Wilson in the Watford home fixture last season where he came on as a sub and got raped in every way imaginable by Ighalo.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jan 4, 2017 18:24:47 GMT
Your right,but Wilson was that extra bit shit you have to say . Certainly not the best left back in the premier as was often proclaimed by one previous incumbent. I don't like to get on players backs at the game but I have to confess I lost it with Wilson in the Watford home fixture last season where he came on as a sub and got raped in every way imaginable by Ighalo. raped in EVERY way imaginable? Isnt there only one way for a man to rape another man? Maybe ive lead a sheltered life
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Jan 4, 2017 18:27:13 GMT
I don't remember Denis Smith cupping his hands to his ears. He just got on with the game. so?
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Post by alster on Jan 4, 2017 18:28:29 GMT
Ryan would have eliminated shit loads of the negative rumblings on here if he had celebrated the goal with passion instead of petulance. I think that is what Smudge is saying in his article. It's obvious that the verbals he gets from, let's face it, the MINORITY OF THE MINORITY ( or morons ) haven't fallen on deaf ears but to respond in the manner he did landed on a wider audience. That audience is one that would have celebrated with as much passion as you would expect from a Club Captain that had netted his first goal for two years. Instead we were left going "oh? Why's that? Is that a dig at us?"..."that's a bit off". In my opinion it took the shine off what should have been one of the brighter parts of a pretty dull and turgid night. If something has got under his skin fair enough you don't always do the rational thing when something is needling you. He has though throughout the years had bucket loads of support from our fans and he should remember all the times they've had his back. He really doesn't want to be just another player in their eyes or else he might find they're a lot less forgiving a lot more often.
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Post by alster on Jan 4, 2017 18:29:49 GMT
I don't like to get on players backs at the game but I have to confess I lost it with Wilson in the Watford home fixture last season where he came on as a sub and got raped in every way imaginable by Ighalo. raped in EVERY way imaginable? Isnt there only one way for a man to rape another man? Maybe ive lead a sheltered life Think absolutely every orifice including the ears, that bad.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 18:31:18 GMT
Ryan would have eliminated shit loads of the negative rumblings on here if he had celebrated the goal with passion instead of petulance. I think that is what Smudge is saying in his article. It's obvious that the verbals he gets from, let's face it, the MINORITY OF THE MINORITY ( or morons ) haven't fallen on deaf ears but to respond in the manner he did landed on a wider audience. That audience is one that would have celebrated with as much passion as you would expect from a Club Captain that had netted his first goal for two years. Instead we were left going "oh? Why's that? Is that a dig at us?"..."that's a bit off". In my opinion it took the shine off what should have been one of the brighter parts of a pretty dull and turgid night. He did something similar after the Leicester game. He went over to the Boothen to applaud the fans and when he got nothing back, he just flicked his arms towards the fans and walked off. Again, nothing really to write home about but by the same token, why do it at all? Did he expect rapturous applause at chucking a 2 goal lead away to 10 men?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 18:32:07 GMT
A lot of the people criticising Ryan and the team were people that had spent hundreds of pounds and loads of their spare time to support the team through a spell where we were absolutely dog shit and conceding goals I wouldn't expect an under 13 team to concede,so they have/had every right to criticise him and other players,the management and players should knuckle down,stop mard arsing and get on with turning their form around.
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Post by skip on Jan 4, 2017 18:37:23 GMT
Your right,but Wilson was that extra bit shit you have to say . Certainly not the best left back in the premier as was often proclaimed by one previous incumbent. I don't like to get on players backs at the game but I have to confess I lost it with Wilson in the Watford home fixture last season where he came on as a sub and got raped in every way imaginable by Ighalo.Hopefully not totally literally, like. :/
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jan 4, 2017 18:39:05 GMT
Ffs....just because it's Ryan, get over it, he's deserved a little bit of criticism over recent weeks....at Liverpool he was dire, along with the majority of the side....accept it Ryan and just get on with what your paid to do!!! With all his money, if he went out and brought something that he wasn't happy about, I'm sure he'd complain!!! Look at the shit Wilson got week after week after week!!! Your right,but Wilson was that extra bit shit you have to say . Certainly not the best left back in the premier as was often proclaimed by one previous incumbent. Maybe, maybe not.....but it's the same scenario, trouble is, people become over sensitive when it's one of our better players, when it's NOT, it's seems acceptable to criticise.....Walters has been having it lately!!! Ryan needs to accept he's no different to anyone else....and if he can't accept a bit of criticism.....then fuckin UP his game a little and get back to the Ryan we know, the Ryan who in previous years has kept the likes of Costa, Adebayor, Giroud and the likes in his back pocket!!!
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Jan 4, 2017 18:39:55 GMT
Good. At least it shows that he cares.
Maybe the fans should stop acting like knickerwetting bubbles and they wouldn't get it pushed back in their faces.
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Post by spongebobflathead on Jan 4, 2017 18:57:50 GMT
It's a well guarded secret amongst the iner circle at Stoke, and it appears to have gone unnoticed by some of the fans but I will spill the beans in his defence ! Ryan isn't the brightest button to have ever walked on a football pitch , infact he's a little bit dence , I still love him to bits though !
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