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Post by Davef on Sept 27, 2015 9:14:58 GMT
The issue isn't about N'zonzi's quality. He's a good player who I wish was still playing for us and we probably should've brought in a more experienced player to replace him, but that wouldn't have guaranteed us a better start to the season.
We've spent £12M on a player who clearly is going to need time to settle - and who is being written off already by some. The same could've easily been the case with a big money N'zonzi replacement.
Bigger clubs than us have spent huge money on players who haven't hit the ground running and have needed time to settle in. Like I said, football isn't an exact science.
I'll be much happier when Ryan is in that team.
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nonzi
Sept 27, 2015 9:27:23 GMT
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Post by underdog on Sept 27, 2015 9:27:23 GMT
Good player, but a faithless cunt IMO.
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nonzi
Sept 27, 2015 9:32:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2015 9:32:31 GMT
I'm sick of hearing/reading Nzonzi's bloody name. Probably not a good idea opening an Nzonzi thread then Joe.......
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 27, 2015 10:35:33 GMT
Every Stoke game I witness is just a massive 'up yours' to any Stoke fans (and there was plenty) who claimed we wouldn't miss him. Shows just how little they know about football.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 27, 2015 10:37:11 GMT
Oh, spare me this shit about N'zonzi. You've only got to look at Shaqiri and other players who've cost more than him to realise that we could've spent millions on a replacement for N'zonzi and still been in the same position. Football isn't an exact science. It was around about this time last year that we were losing 3-1 at Sunderland and he was getting absolute pelters from some of the Stoke support. He was also part of the team that lost to Villa, Leicester and Burnley at home. The biggest miss by an absolute mile is Ryan Shawcross. Glad someone else can see it for what it actually is. MVG hasn't hit the heights of Nzonzi however that's no the biggest problem. The problem is Shawcross being out. Why we didn't operate in the close season I will never know. So the big fucking hole in the midfield isn't an issue then? Rightio!
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nonzi
Sept 27, 2015 12:58:17 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 27, 2015 12:58:17 GMT
I'm sick of hearing/reading Nzonzi's bloody name. Probably not a good idea opening an Nzonzi thread then Joe....... Mmmmm.
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nonzi
Sept 27, 2015 13:09:06 GMT
Post by no1972 on Sept 27, 2015 13:09:06 GMT
Yes we are missing the Fonz but only because the club failed to replace him,any with Ryan being out at the same time makes the situation worse.I do not think the club tried hard enough to keep him.But he was brought to the club by our previous manager and like others he left us with MH wanted out so he could call the shots with his players.
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Post by Davef on Sept 27, 2015 13:45:47 GMT
Yes we are missing the Fonz but only because the club failed to replace him,any with Ryan being out at the same time makes the situation worse.I do not think the club tried hard enough to keep him.But he was brought to the club by our previous manager and like others he left us with MH wanted out so he could call the shots with his players. Am I right in thinking that you think Mark Hughes wanted shot of N'zonzi because Pulis brought him to the club? If so, how do you explain the continued inclusion of Adam, Whelan, Wilson, Crouch, Walters, Cameron and obviously Shawcross when he returns?
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 27, 2015 13:47:50 GMT
Yes we are missing the Fonz but only because the club failed to replace him,any with Ryan being out at the same time makes the situation worse.I do not think the club tried hard enough to keep him.But he was brought to the club by our previous manager and like others he left us with MH wanted out so he could call the shots with his players. Am I right in thinking that you think Mark Hughes wanted shot of N'zonzi because Pulis brought him to the club? If so, how do you explain the continued inclusion of Adam, Whelan, Crouch, Walters, Cameron and obviously Shawcross when he returns? And begovic, Butland,
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 3, 2015 18:44:26 GMT
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nonzi
Oct 3, 2015 18:48:53 GMT
Post by mattintheprem on Oct 3, 2015 18:48:53 GMT
He must be a changed man, 8 yellow cards in the match but not one for young Steven, poor!
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Post by heavysoul on Oct 3, 2015 18:48:41 GMT
The outstanding player of the team under hughes his ability to keep the gall priceless , those who didn't appreciate him are getting a rude wake up call . Anyone wiith an ounce of football knowledge could see he was the fulcrum of the team last year . I think Nzonzi got better and better last season he played with a swagger. Think he would have been awesome this season.
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nonzi
Oct 3, 2015 18:49:14 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 3, 2015 18:49:14 GMT
Interesting that Konoplyanka can't get in that side even from the bench!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 18:50:56 GMT
The frustration for me is that I reckon he'd make more progress as a player here this season than with Sevilla, even accounting for their Champions League. Oh well.
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nonzi
Oct 3, 2015 18:53:39 GMT
Post by liathroid on Oct 3, 2015 18:53:39 GMT
Interesting that Konoplyanka can't get in that side even from the bench! saving himself for next week
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nonzi
Oct 3, 2015 19:04:04 GMT
Post by spitthedog on Oct 3, 2015 19:04:04 GMT
The frustration for me is that I reckon he'd make more progress as a player here this season than with Sevilla, even accounting for their Champions League. Oh well. You don't consider playing in a side that beats Barcelona as progress? I like your sense of humour.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 19:08:18 GMT
The frustration for me is that I reckon he'd make more progress as a player here this season than with Sevilla, even accounting for their Champions League. Oh well. You don't consider playing in a side that beats Barcelona as progress? I like your sense of humour. I reckon NZonzi in this side with the players we are bringing in would really kick on in familiar surroundings, rather than the plateau effect he'll have by upping sticks and changing clubs, league and country. I said it last season and still stick by it. One more season under Hughes and he'd have got a better side than Sevilla. Glad you find my posts funny.
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nonzi
Oct 3, 2015 20:29:18 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 20:29:18 GMT
You don't consider playing in a side that beats Barcelona as progress? I like your sense of humour. I reckon NZonzi in this side with the players we are bringing in would really kick on in familiar surroundings, rather than the plateau effect he'll have by upping sticks and changing clubs, league and country. I said it last season and still stick by it. One more season under Hughes and he'd have got a better side than Sevilla. Glad you find my posts funny. Completely agree with you, upping and leaving when you're on an upwards trajectory isn't often the right answer
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Oct 4, 2015 0:56:44 GMT
Post by spitthedog on Oct 4, 2015 0:56:44 GMT
I reckon NZonzi in this side with the players we are bringing in would really kick on in familiar surroundings, rather than the plateau effect he'll have by upping sticks and changing clubs, league and country. I said it last season and still stick by it. One more season under Hughes and he'd have got a better side than Sevilla. Glad you find my posts funny. Completely agree with you, upping and leaving when you're on an upwards trajectory isn't often the right answer Is it an upwards tajectory? How much higher than 9th can our club realistically finish in this league? He's not going to get Champions League Football here. Surely the reason he has moved is because he feels there is limited capacity for us to improve on what we achieved in the last 2 seasons. We might be better than Sevilla but they have better opportunities to succeed than we do and therefore more potential.
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nonzi
Oct 4, 2015 2:00:40 GMT
Post by Jimm on Oct 4, 2015 2:00:40 GMT
I miss him :-(
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 2:52:01 GMT
There's a small possibility that in terms of rate of improvement of technical attributes, staying here might have been a better option for zonz. The problems with that way of thinking are numerous though.
1. It's only a small possibility and I doubt there are any posters who would be qualified to make an accurate judgement on something so prone to variables. I'm not even sure many staff at either clubs could accurately make that assertion. It's purely conjecture and I'm not sure what good it serves.
2. In terms of experience there is no doubt that playing in the champions league against the best in the world, or playing in the later stages of europa against some amazing european sides, will give nzonzi much greater high-level exposure than staying with us could have done.
3. Even on the off chance that staying here would've made him a better all round player than being at Sevilla will, he's nowhere near young enough for that to be a legitimate consideration. He's very close to a now-or-never age in terms of testing himself in the champions league.
4. Whilst it pains us to think in these terms the reality is that a big part of nzonzi's decision to leave will have been financial. Maybe he isn't earning much more than he would be had he chosen to stay here, but you can guarantee he negotiated some sort of pay-rise, or failing that a substantial signing on fee especially when you consider how little Sevilla paid for his services. If you take your stoke hat off and look at the situation from his eyes, he's not got many years left at the top level. Football is a short-career and making this move now, and possibly getting an even bigger move before he begins to physically decline, is going to give him the greatest shot at earning as much money as possible.
Also for anybody who thinks our team/squad is stronger than Sevilla's, they've won europa the last two seasons. I know la liga doesn't have the strength in depth of our league, but last season they won the europa league and finished 5th with 76pts from 38 games. That's 2pts a game and the europa league title. We are not stronger than Sevilla, we could compete with them but to suggest we are at their level is deluded.
If he had stayed with us then, barring some miraculous success in the next few years, I think he would have risked having big regrets once his playing career is over. Even if he fails at the highest level at least he will never be tortured by what ifs?. He's gone and he was absolutely right to leave. We need to move on.
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nonzi
Oct 4, 2015 4:22:39 GMT
Post by hanibal7 on Oct 4, 2015 4:22:39 GMT
not in a gay way though ????
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nonzi
Oct 4, 2015 7:29:34 GMT
Post by Jimm on Oct 4, 2015 7:29:34 GMT
not in a gay way though ???? In the manliest way possible :D
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