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nonzi
Sept 22, 2015 5:15:30 GMT
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Post by malteser68 on Sept 22, 2015 5:15:30 GMT
Big difference. Walters doesn't want to leave and he's a much better character than N'zonzi. N'zonzi would have had not choice but to play well and put in a shift this season, otherwise his value in the 2016 Summer transfer window would be in the toilet. Agreed That just goes to show the incompetence if whoever is meant to take these decisions
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nonzi
Sept 22, 2015 5:19:58 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 22, 2015 5:19:58 GMT
We got money for him. If he had stayed for the last year of his contract we'd get nowt for him. Coates would rightly demand to know why we we were getting zilch when the season before we would have got a wad. The other issue at stake is would it be right of Stoke City to hold a player back who wants to move to a club offering opportunities we are unlikely to ever be able to? So what if we got money for him ??!!! Should have at least spent that money to buy a good replacement for him !! Instead we got a greener than green MVG on loan We should have had money to spend without off-loading nzonzi as we hadn't spent anything for a good part of 3years Nzonzi wanted to leave. He wanted to go.
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Post by malteser68 on Sept 22, 2015 5:20:09 GMT
We should of persuaded N'Zonzi to sign a new contract and give him a promise that he could go at the end of this season. In the meantime we should of pulled our finger out and signed the players that showed him and his people that we meant business. Not loads of players, just good quality footballers to push us on. We're dripping in cash but don't spend any of it, as usual we just fanny around the edges making do and blowing another golden chance to do something really special. Just as an edit - we sold him for peanuts. Piss poor Stoke, piss poor. I agree. We sold our best player for peanuts. I reiterate something I've already said on an other thread - nzonzi is as good as schneiderlin (at least) so his value is 25 million Schneiderlin attracted more attention and a better price not coz he is better than nzonzi (I strongly beleive the zonz is the better player) but because the premier league shithead managers find it more fashionable to buy Southampton players for big money (even if they turn out to be flops) than a good player from 'hoofball' stoke
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Post by malteser68 on Sept 22, 2015 5:21:16 GMT
So what if we got money for him ??!!! Should have at least spent that money to buy a good replacement for him !! Instead we got a greener than green MVG on loan We should have had money to spend without off-loading nzonzi as we hadn't spent anything for a good part of 3years Nzonzi wanted to leave. He wanted to go. By the was under contract and we could have made him to stay But the people who decide just couldn't resist cashing 7 million
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 22, 2015 5:23:12 GMT
We got money for him. If he had stayed for the last year of his contract we'd get nowt for him. Coates would rightly demand to know why we we were getting zilch when the season before we would have got a wad. The other issue at stake is would it be right of Stoke City to hold a player back who wants to move to a club offering opportunities we are unlikely to ever be able to? So what if we got money for him ??!!! Should have at least spent that money to buy a good replacement for him !! Instead we got a greener than green MVG on loan We should have had money to spend without off-loading nzonzi as we hadn't spent anything for a good part of 3years We tried to sign jedinak perfect replacement . He wanted Stoke to pay up his loyalty bonus as palace didn't want too , righty we walked away
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nonzi
Sept 22, 2015 5:26:19 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 22, 2015 5:26:19 GMT
Nzonzi wanted to leave. He wanted to go. By the was under contract and we could have made him to stay But the people who decide just couldn't resist cashing 7 million So we make him stay...despite it being blindingly obvious for yonks he wants to go. What if we were stuck with a player who refused to play and we have to deal with all the crap a situation like that brings....like having to spend a wage on a player who isn't doing anything. Can you imagine how distracting that would be for everybody?
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nonzi
Sept 22, 2015 5:28:15 GMT
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Post by malteser68 on Sept 22, 2015 5:28:15 GMT
So what if we got money for him ??!!! Should have at least spent that money to buy a good replacement for him !! Instead we got a greener than green MVG on loan We should have had money to spend without off-loading nzonzi as we hadn't spent anything for a good part of 3years We tried to sign jedinak perfect replacement . He wanted Stoke to pay up his loyalty bonus as palace didn't want too , righty we walked away Jedinak would have been a good replacement though nzonzi is by far the better player Hope the loyalty bonus money we saved on doesn't bite us in the arse come the end of the season
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Sept 22, 2015 5:30:40 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 22, 2015 5:30:40 GMT
We tried to sign jedinak perfect replacement . He wanted Stoke to pay up his loyalty bonus as palace didn't want too , righty we walked away Jedinak would have been a good replacement though nzonzi is by far the better player Hope the loyalty bonus money we saved on doesn't bite us in the arse come the end of the season Depends largely on the definition of arse bitten. Some of us probably reckon if we don't finish top 4 it's bit our arse.
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Sept 22, 2015 5:32:51 GMT
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Post by malteser68 on Sept 22, 2015 5:32:51 GMT
Jedinak would have been a good replacement though nzonzi is by far the better player Hope the loyalty bonus money we saved on doesn't bite us in the arse come the end of the season Depends largely on the definition of arse bitten. Some of us probably reckon if we don't finish top 4 it's bit our arse. For me it means that we finish in s worse position than last year (which I strongly believe we will) but it might slso mean much worse than that ...
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Post by roostershair on Sept 22, 2015 5:48:55 GMT
Yep, the best midfielder in the world currently plays for the team bottom in La Liga, he is that good he was sent off in his first match. He did score a goal in a game after (obviously non of our players score goals). The best midfielder I've watched in a Stoke shirt bar none. You obviously never saw Hudson then
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nonzi
Sept 22, 2015 6:15:53 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Sept 22, 2015 6:15:53 GMT
So what if we got money for him ??!!! Should have at least spent that money to buy a good replacement for him !! Instead we got a greener than green MVG on loan We should have had money to spend without off-loading nzonzi as we hadn't spent anything for a good part of 3years We tried to sign jedinak perfect replacement . He wanted Stoke to pay up his loyalty bonus as palace didn't want too , righty we walked away We tried to sign him at the last minute for peanuts Harry, this penny pinching is going to come back and bite us in the bollocks.
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nonzi
Sept 22, 2015 6:23:43 GMT
Post by stokemanusa on Sept 22, 2015 6:23:43 GMT
bojan is the best midfielder to ever play for stoke.
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nonzi
Sept 22, 2015 7:04:36 GMT
Post by Pugsley on Sept 22, 2015 7:04:36 GMT
We should of persuaded N'Zonzi to sign a new contract and give him a promise that he could go at the end of this season. In the meantime we should of pulled our finger out and signed the players that showed him and his people that we meant business. Not loads of players, just good quality footballers to push us on. We're dripping in cash but don't spend any of it, as usual we just fanny around the edges making do and blowing another golden chance to do something really special. Just as an edit - we sold him for peanuts. Piss poor Stoke, piss poor. There were loads of personal issues compounding the N'Zonzi move too. Far from just footballing stuff. Did you think that sacking Pulis would automatically give us a pass into the Champions League? {Like it has Crystal Palace?}. You're the fella dancing between threads, telling folk to get a grip, moaning that everyone is like Arsenal fans. Or is that someone else? Seriously what were you expecting. Piss poor Stoke indeed! I told you all two years before Tony Pulis left what we could expect if we got in a manager and coaches who concentrated on playing football. I was bang on the money - we got better football and better results. That's a fact. You won't find a post from me saying I expected CL football as that is pie in the sky stuff. It is piss poor - do you really think selling N'Zonzi for £7million is a good deal for Stoke City and replacing him with a loan? (Forget MvG's ability, he's decent, but he's not ours) We are weak and naive off the pitch - we always have been. We have a long history of letting good players go for peanuts.
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nonzi
Sept 22, 2015 7:19:09 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Sept 22, 2015 7:19:09 GMT
bojan is the best midfielder to ever play for stoke. He may well be the best midfielder you have seen play for Stoke.
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Sept 22, 2015 7:20:21 GMT
Post by stokemanusa on Sept 22, 2015 7:20:21 GMT
bojan is the best midfielder to ever play for stoke. He may well be the best midfielder you have seen play for Stoke. He's not even done yet, he's only beginning and when he's done he'll be far better than anyone. You'd never know it. You think everyone is shit.
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nonzi
Sept 22, 2015 7:21:55 GMT
Post by cheekymatt71 on Sept 22, 2015 7:21:55 GMT
No doubt about it that the handling of the Nzonzi situation shows we are still totally naive.
7m is nothing compared to his value to us, in staying up this year.
The fact we replaced one of the most important positions in the team with a youngish loan player with zero Prem experience just screams of a royal fuck up.
Will we accept 8M for Shawcross next summer?
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nonzi
Sept 22, 2015 7:22:57 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Sept 22, 2015 7:22:57 GMT
He may well be the best midfielder you have seen play for Stoke. He's not even done yet, he's only beginning and when he's done he'll be far better than anyone. You'd never know it. You think everyone is shit. Bojan is far from shit however he is not the best midfielder to play for Stoke City.
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nonzi
Sept 22, 2015 7:33:55 GMT
Post by stokemanusa on Sept 22, 2015 7:33:55 GMT
He's not even done yet, he's only beginning and when he's done he'll be far better than anyone. You'd never know it. You think everyone is shit. Bojan is far from shit however he is not the best midfielder to play for Stoke City. "Yet." He's only 25. If you think Nzonzi is a better player to have than Bojan in your side you're clearly mistaken. The Spaniard is miles better.
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nonzi
Sept 22, 2015 8:05:48 GMT
Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 22, 2015 8:05:48 GMT
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Sept 22, 2015 8:11:49 GMT
Post by stokemanusa on Sept 22, 2015 8:11:49 GMT
They are already putting him in the flop column in the sevillanas gazettes. Sad really the whole thing. Unai has been using Iborra more so now in La Liga than last year without Nzonzi.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 22, 2015 8:14:47 GMT
We get used to some British players not hacking it when they move abroad, but it does seem odd when a French player does very well in the Premier League and can't hack it in Spain. Cheeky loan bid in January?
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Sept 22, 2015 8:20:06 GMT
Post by stokemanusa on Sept 22, 2015 8:20:06 GMT
We get used to some British players not hacking it when they move abroad, but it does seem odd when a French player does very well in the Premier League and can't hack it in Spain. Cheeky loan bid in January? He'll be used in the cup and get a start here and there in the league and Europe, but if he keeps on this current lackadaisical form he's accustomed to showing here and there the spanish wont hold onto him long term. They're looking for a boo boy already with such as shit start and Nzonzi fits the bill for that perfectly and his individual performances aren't helping his cause either.
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Sept 22, 2015 8:39:00 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 22, 2015 8:39:00 GMT
Somebody is going to look very stupid if we have to meet his release claims to buy him back . I'd go for him for 7million in January without any doubt .
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Post by slpmarc on Sept 22, 2015 8:42:33 GMT
Somebody is going to look very stupid if we have to meet his release claims to buy him back . I'd go for him for 7million in January without any doubt . Nobody will meet his release clause it's €25mill
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2015 8:46:33 GMT
We get used to some British players not hacking it when they move abroad, but it does seem odd when a French player does very well in the Premier League and can't hack it in Spain. Cheeky loan bid in January? He'll be used in the cup and get a start here and there in the league and Europe, but if he keeps on this current lackadaisical form he's accustomed to showing here and there the spanish wont hold onto him long term. They're looking for a boo boy already with such as shit start and Nzonzi fits the bill for that perfectly and his individual performances aren't helping his cause either. Seems like it's not only playing in red & white that we have in common...
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Post by thebet365 on Sept 22, 2015 8:55:44 GMT
True. However, don't you think finishing this season in 7th or 8th place and winning a cup would have increased Stoke's value by significantly more than 7 million, especially given the fact we seem to have pissed the money away over the Summer. Right now we do well to finish in the top half unless something changes PDQ. Very short sighted management. Does anyone know how much the difference in TV money is between finishing, say 7th or 8th, versus finishing 11th or 12th? Having said all that, I am more excited about watching a fully fit Bojan than I am upset about N'zonzi leaving. Just Googled it. The difference between finishing 7th and finishing 11th is 22 million quid. So investing 7 million to get 22 million looks like a pretty good ROI to me - actually more than 200%. Not to mention the increased value of the franchise and the potential to attract a better quality player in 2016. Erm...I must be missing something. Not sure what you googled but the difference is 1.2 Million per place so 1.2 * 4 positions lower = 4.8 Million not 22 Million.
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nonzi
Sept 22, 2015 9:04:38 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 22, 2015 9:04:38 GMT
The best midfielder I've watched in a Stoke shirt bar none. You obviously never saw Hudson then Some of us were born after 1985 you know......
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 22, 2015 9:15:03 GMT
The funny thing about this thread apart from Nzonzi seemingly getting better with every game he doesn't play for us, is that the people decrying not keeping him would be the first shouting it was a mistake to keep a player who handed in so many transfer requests and who wasn't committed if he'd stayed and we'd had the start we have had.
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Sept 22, 2015 9:24:26 GMT
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Post by fentoninbloom on Sept 22, 2015 9:24:26 GMT
The simple fact of the matter is this lads: cashing in on him WAS the correct thing to do BUT had to be followed up by buying a suitable replacement. Had we done that, no one would be on here screaming "I told you so". As it is we're beginning to look fairly stupid not because we sold Nzonzi but because we haven't filled the hole he left.
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Sept 22, 2015 9:26:31 GMT
Post by Pugsley on Sept 22, 2015 9:26:31 GMT
The simple fact of the matter is this lads: cashing in on him WAS the correct thing to do BUT had to be followed up by buying a suitable replacement. Had we done that, no one would be on here screaming "I told you so". As it is we're beginning to look fairly stupid not because we sold Nzonzi but because we haven't filled the hole he left. We didn't cash in, we let him go for peanuts.
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