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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 26, 2015 21:06:37 GMT
We miss him massively.
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Sept 26, 2015 21:11:29 GMT
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 26, 2015 21:11:29 GMT
He's gone get over it , I miss my hair and it's not coming back
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 26, 2015 21:13:37 GMT
Nah. Not when I've got to watch that shit like today.
Not even I thought we'd find it this hard to replace him.
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Post by Davef on Sept 27, 2015 0:24:40 GMT
Oh, spare me this shit about N'zonzi. You've only got to look at Shaqiri and other players who've cost more than him to realise that we could've spent millions on a replacement for N'zonzi and still been in the same position. Football isn't an exact science.
It was around about this time last year that we were losing 3-1 at Sunderland and he was getting absolute pelters from some of the Stoke support. He was also part of the team that lost to Villa, Leicester and Burnley at home.
The biggest miss by an absolute mile is Ryan Shawcross.
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Sept 27, 2015 0:27:19 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 27, 2015 0:27:19 GMT
Oh, spare me this shit about N'zonzi. You've only got to look at Shaqiri and other players who've cost more than him to realise that we could've spent millions on a replacement for N'zonzi and still been in the same position. Football isn't an exact science. It was around about this time last year that we were losing 3-1 at Sunderland and he was getting absolute pelters from some of the Stoke support. He was also part of the team that lost to Villa, Leicester and Burnley at home. The biggest miss by an absolute mile is Ryan Shawcross. Nonsense.
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Post by Davef on Sept 27, 2015 0:30:29 GMT
Oh, spare me this shit about N'zonzi. You've only got to look at Shaqiri and other players who've cost more than him to realise that we could've spent millions on a replacement for N'zonzi and still been in the same position. Football isn't an exact science. It was around about this time last year that we were losing 3-1 at Sunderland and he was getting absolute pelters from some of the Stoke support. He was also part of the team that lost to Villa, Leicester and Burnley at home. The biggest miss by an absolute mile is Ryan Shawcross. Nonsense. How is it nonsense? How the hell do you know that a multi-million pound replacement for N'zonzi wouldn't have needed time to settle into the team and our results wouldn't have been similar?
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Sept 27, 2015 0:38:03 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 27, 2015 0:38:03 GMT
How is it nonsense? How the hell do you know that a multi-million pound replacement for N'zonzi wouldn't have needed time to settle into the team and our results wouldn't have been similar? You don't but it was clearly an area we needed to throw money at and get a ready made replacement in and not a project. As it has showed as we've had no midfield in the season so far despite Whelan's best efforts. The rest of the argument is just nonsensical.....Shawcross played in those games too, we can't be missing him! We both know that's bollocks.
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Post by Davef on Sept 27, 2015 0:45:31 GMT
How is it nonsense? How the hell do you know that a multi-million pound replacement for N'zonzi wouldn't have needed time to settle into the team and our results wouldn't have been similar? You don't but it was clearly an area we needed to throw money at and get a ready made replacement in and not a project. As it has showed as we've had no midfield in the season so far despite Whelan's best efforts. The rest of the argument is just nonsensical.....Shawcross played in those games too, we can't be missing him! We both know that's bollocks. You think van Ginkel would have been any different if we'd brought him to the club permanently and spent £12-15M on him?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 27, 2015 0:52:39 GMT
You don't but it was clearly an area we needed to throw money at and get a ready made replacement in and not a project. As it has showed as we've had no midfield in the season so far despite Whelan's best efforts. The rest of the argument is just nonsensical.....Shawcross played in those games too, we can't be missing him! We both know that's bollocks. You think van Ginkel would have been any different if we'd brought him to the club permanently and spent £12-15M on him? No but then I don't think Hughes is that stupid either to spend such money on an unproven player. It needed money throwing at a proven midfielder not a kid who has done fuck all in his life. That gap in the middle of the park is getting bigger with no real fix to the problem in sight.
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Post by Roy Cropper on Sept 27, 2015 4:05:09 GMT
Saying "loads of Stoke fans slated him" just shows what morons they were, not that N'zonzi was a bad footballer.
True he didn't want to be here, but he was a class act, best midfielder I've ever seen in a Stoke shirt.
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Post by kustokie on Sept 27, 2015 4:18:29 GMT
You think van Ginkel would have been any different if we'd brought him to the club permanently and spent £12-15M on him? No but then I don't think Hughes is that stupid either to spend such money on an unproven player. It needed money throwing at a proven midfielder not a kid who has done fuck all in his life. That gap in the middle of the park is getting bigger with no real fix to the problem in sight. Are you sure about that. He hasn't shown himself too adept this season in the some of the other areas of management such as team selection, substitutions and now it's pretty clear that fitness is an issue with some players not being able last more than 60 minutes and others pulling up lame. At times he looks in a total panic on the side-lines and today he was clearly having a dust up with Walters about tactics. Not exactly reassuring for the new players. I wasn't too keen on Sparky when he first came but the last two seasons proved me wrong. Now I'm having second thoughts -I hope I'm wrong, but it is a bit worrying. Good players don't guarantee a good team, especially if the manager looks like he's cracking under the pressure.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2015 5:32:52 GMT
Are we missing Nzonzi per se or are we missing his replacement?
Van Ginkel is a different type of player. He's not a poor player nor is he a lesser player.
He looks a lesser player in this side because our requirements of that role in our setup are slightly different than his natural game.
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 27, 2015 6:24:47 GMT
Oh, spare me this shit about N'zonzi. You've only got to look at Shaqiri and other players who've cost more than him to realise that we could've spent millions on a replacement for N'zonzi and still been in the same position. Football isn't an exact science. It was around about this time last year that we were losing 3-1 at Sunderland and he was getting absolute pelters from some of the Stoke support. He was also part of the team that lost to Villa, Leicester and Burnley at home. The biggest miss by an absolute mile is Ryan Shawcross. Glad someone else can see it for what it actually is. MVG hasn't hit the heights of Nzonzi however that's no the biggest problem. The problem is Shawcross being out. Why we didn't operate in the close season I will never know.
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Post by nik80 on Sept 27, 2015 6:33:12 GMT
Oh, spare me this shit about N'zonzi. You've only got to look at Shaqiri and other players who've cost more than him to realise that we could've spent millions on a replacement for N'zonzi and still been in the same position. Football isn't an exact science. It was around about this time last year that we were losing 3-1 at Sunderland and he was getting absolute pelters from some of the Stoke support. He was also part of the team that lost to Villa, Leicester and Burnley at home. The biggest miss by an absolute mile is Ryan Shawcross. Glad someone else can see it for what it actually is. MVG hasn't hit the heights of Nzonzi however that's no the biggest problem. The problem is Shawcross being out. Why we didn't operate in the close season I will never know. We do miss Shawcross, undoubtedly, but if what you're saying is true, then how come we weren't totally panicking last season too? Ryan missed a fair few games I seem to recall. N'Zonzi's loss is huge, very difficult player to replace.
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 27, 2015 6:38:44 GMT
Glad someone else can see it for what it actually is. MVG hasn't hit the heights of Nzonzi however that's no the biggest problem. The problem is Shawcross being out. Why we didn't operate in the close season I will never know. We do miss Shawcross, undoubtedly, but if what you're saying is true, then how come we weren't totally panicking last season too? Ryan missed a fair few games I seem to recall. N'Zonzi's loss is huge, very difficult player to replace. I'm not saying we don't, I said in another thread 75% of this 'Nzonzi sized hole' everyone keeps banging on about is shawcross missing and the other 25% is actually Nzonzi. I think van ginkle will come good.
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Sept 27, 2015 6:43:43 GMT
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Post by werrington on Sept 27, 2015 6:43:43 GMT
Glad someone else can see it for what it actually is. MVG hasn't hit the heights of Nzonzi however that's no the biggest problem. The problem is Shawcross being out. Why we didn't operate in the close season I will never know. We do miss Shawcross, undoubtedly, but if what you're saying is true, then how come we weren't totally panicking last season too? Ryan missed a fair few games I seem to recall. N'Zonzi's loss is huge, very difficult player to replace. Are you joking about people not panicking last season ....oh and the season before Have a trawl back through the threads and you'll see it's the same faces saying the same things
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Post by sportsman on Sept 27, 2015 6:49:15 GMT
Fuck off nzonzi!!!! God, some need go have a wank. Did we miss him in the first half against Leicester when we ripped then apart with quick play? Would he have just passed it back or sideways?
Now delete this bloody thread!!!
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Post by nik80 on Sept 27, 2015 6:49:26 GMT
We do miss Shawcross, undoubtedly, but if what you're saying is true, then how come we weren't totally panicking last season too? Ryan missed a fair few games I seem to recall. N'Zonzi's loss is huge, very difficult player to replace. I'm not saying we don't, I said in another thread 75% of this 'Nzonzi sized hole' everyone keeps banging on about is shawcross missing and the other 25% is actually Nzonzi. I think van ginkle will come good. I thought Van Ginkle played well against Leicester and was very unlucky to lose his place yesterday, as much as I like Charlie. Let's face it, not having either of N'Zonzi or Shawcross would be a loss for most sides in the league but to lose them both has proved very unsettling. All I was really saying was that when we lost Shawcross last season we still seemed reasonably solid with N'Zonzi and Whelan protecting our makeshift defence. For me N'Zonzi's loss was the biggest, especially the way he was playing in the last few months with us.
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Post by sportsman on Sept 27, 2015 6:56:01 GMT
I'm not saying we don't, I said in another thread 75% of this 'Nzonzi sized hole' everyone keeps banging on about is shawcross missing and the other 25% is actually Nzonzi. I think van ginkle will come good. I thought Van Ginkle played well against Leicester and was very unlucky to lose his place yesterday, as much as I like Charlie. Let's face it, not having either of N'Zonzi or Shawcross would be a loss for most sides in the league but to lose them both has proved very unsettling. All I was really saying was that when we lost Shawcross last season we still seemed reasonably solid with N'Zonzi and Whelan protecting our makeshift defence. For me N'Zonzi's loss was the biggest, especially the way he was playing in the last few months with us. And that was the only time he played.
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Post by werrington on Sept 27, 2015 6:56:13 GMT
Fuck off nzonzi!!!! God, some need go have a wank. Did we miss him in the first half against Leicester when we ripped then apart with quick play? Would he have just passed it back or sideways? Now delete this bloody thread!!! I loved Nzonzi but many on here are trying to rewrite history The abuse he took from the support at the beginning of last season seems to have just been eradicated from their memory The crowd turned on him at home v whu when he turned play back towards his own goal but the daft fuckers weren't moaning when a goal came from it ....and Sunderland away I had an argument with s few who were slaughtering him It all seems to have been forgotten and that he was actually Patrick Viera we had
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Post by nik80 on Sept 27, 2015 6:58:14 GMT
We do miss Shawcross, undoubtedly, but if what you're saying is true, then how come we weren't totally panicking last season too? Ryan missed a fair few games I seem to recall. N'Zonzi's loss is huge, very difficult player to replace. Are you joking about people not panicking last season ....oh and the season before Have a trawl back through the threads and you'll see it's the same faces saying the same things I'm sure you're right. The panic this season does seem a bit more valid though, like everybody else I'm hoping something will eventually click, we just don't appear to be communicating very well on the pitch, defensively we don't seem to be talking to one another, there is a lack of leadership in that back four at the moment. Just gotta ride it out I suppose. Glad for the win yesterday, but it was an awful game IMO.
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Post by nik80 on Sept 27, 2015 7:08:04 GMT
Fuck off nzonzi!!!! God, some need go have a wank. Did we miss him in the first half against Leicester when we ripped then apart with quick play? Would he have just passed it back or sideways? Now delete this bloody thread!!! I loved Nzonzi but many on here are trying to rewrite history The abuse he took from the support at the beginning of last season seems to have just been eradicated from their memory The crowd turned on him at home v whu when he turned play back towards his own goal but the daft fuckers weren't moaning when a goal came from it ....and Sunderland away I had an argument with s few who were slaughtering him It all seems to have been forgotten and that he was actually Patrick Viera we had I'm certainly not trying to rewrite history, or suggesting that N'Zonzi was the be all and end all of why we were so good in the end last season. Yes, he could be frustrating at times, more so attitude wise than in his ability but he'd have always been in our best eleven. Just a very difficult player to replace like for like.
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Post by Kjones9 on Sept 27, 2015 7:12:26 GMT
I loved Nzonzi but many on here are trying to rewrite history The abuse he took from the support at the beginning of last season seems to have just been eradicated from their memory The crowd turned on him at home v whu when he turned play back towards his own goal but the daft fuckers weren't moaning when a goal came from it ....and Sunderland away I had an argument with s few who were slaughtering him It all seems to have been forgotten and that he was actually Patrick Viera we had I'm certainly not trying to rewrite history, or suggesting that N'Zonzi was the be all and end all of why we were so good in the end last season. Yes, he could be frustrating at times, more so attitude wise than in his ability but he'd have always been in our best eleven. Just a very difficult player to replace like for like. That last sentence is so true. I don't know of another player that could replace him 'like for like' we need to ourselves, adapt.
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Sept 27, 2015 7:13:19 GMT
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Post by werrington on Sept 27, 2015 7:13:19 GMT
I loved Nzonzi but many on here are trying to rewrite history The abuse he took from the support at the beginning of last season seems to have just been eradicated from their memory The crowd turned on him at home v whu when he turned play back towards his own goal but the daft fuckers weren't moaning when a goal came from it ....and Sunderland away I had an argument with s few who were slaughtering him It all seems to have been forgotten and that he was actually Patrick Viera we had I'm certainly not trying to rewrite history, or suggesting that N'Zonzi was the be all and end all of why we were so good in the end last season. Yes, he could be frustrating at times, more so attitude wise than in his ability but he'd have always been in our best eleven. Just a very difficult player to replace like for like. It wasn't aimed at you in particular Nic Just 60% of this MB who slaughtered him last season and now talk like he was world class and the best player ever to wear a Stoke shirt and using it as a stick to beat Mark Hughes with Rewriting history at its finest
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Post by nik80 on Sept 27, 2015 7:20:03 GMT
I'm certainly not trying to rewrite history, or suggesting that N'Zonzi was the be all and end all of why we were so good in the end last season. Yes, he could be frustrating at times, more so attitude wise than in his ability but he'd have always been in our best eleven. Just a very difficult player to replace like for like. It wasn't aimed at you in particular Nic Just 60% of this MB who slaughtered him last season and now talk like he was world class and the best player ever to wear a Stoke shirt and using it as a stick to beat Mark Hughes with Rewriting history at its finest Well, it's true what they say mate, people don't miss what they've got until it's pissed off to Spain!
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Post by sportsman on Sept 27, 2015 7:21:12 GMT
Fuck off nzonzi!!!! God, some need go have a wank. Did we miss him in the first half against Leicester when we ripped then apart with quick play? Would he have just passed it back or sideways? Now delete this bloody thread!!! I loved Nzonzi but many on here are trying to rewrite history The abuse he took from the support at the beginning of last season seems to have just been eradicated from their memory The crowd turned on him at home v whu when he turned play back towards his own goal but the daft fuckers weren't moaning when a goal came from it ....and Sunderland away I had an argument with s few who were slaughtering him It all seems to have been forgotten and that he was actually Patrick Viera we had Spot on. I remember just before his good few games before he left we played Sunderland I think it was at home and kicking towards the boothen he was more or less through on goal and he actually turned back!! The whole stadium went mad. The worst thing that happened was his last three home games. They seemed to have clouded the previous anonymous and average few years.
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Sept 27, 2015 7:29:29 GMT
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Post by malteser68 on Sept 27, 2015 7:29:29 GMT
Oh, spare me this shit about N'zonzi. You've only got to look at Shaqiri and other players who've cost more than him to realise that we could've spent millions on a replacement for N'zonzi and still been in the same position. Football isn't an exact science. It was around about this time last year that we were losing 3-1 at Sunderland and he was getting absolute pelters from some of the Stoke support. He was also part of the team that lost to Villa, Leicester and Burnley at home. The biggest miss by an absolute mile is Ryan Shawcross. I definitely disagree Ryan is sorely missed but for me the biggest problem is the void left by nzonzi and in spite of the win and the 3 points which are great of course that void is so glaring that it literally hits you in the face when watching the team play
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Post by werrington on Sept 27, 2015 7:34:55 GMT
Oh, spare me this shit about N'zonzi. You've only got to look at Shaqiri and other players who've cost more than him to realise that we could've spent millions on a replacement for N'zonzi and still been in the same position. Football isn't an exact science. It was around about this time last year that we were losing 3-1 at Sunderland and he was getting absolute pelters from some of the Stoke support. He was also part of the team that lost to Villa, Leicester and Burnley at home. The biggest miss by an absolute mile is Ryan Shawcross. I definitely disagree Ryan is sorely missed but for me the biggest problem is the void left by nzonzi and in spite of the win and the 3 points which are great of course that void is so glaring that it literally hits you in the face when watching the team play Like it was v Burnley at home last season ? Or countless other games we lost
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Sept 27, 2015 7:36:01 GMT
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Post by Roy Cropper on Sept 27, 2015 7:36:01 GMT
Are we missing Nzonzi per se or are we missing his replacement? Van Ginkel is a different type of player. He's not a poor player nor is he a lesser player. He looks a lesser player in this side because our requirements of that role in our setup are slightly different than his natural game. He's a much lesser player, no disrespect to the lad like. N'zonzi is champions league level, we were never going to keep him or easily replace him. It's not the managers fault.
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 27, 2015 9:02:01 GMT
I'm sick of hearing/reading Nzonzi's bloody name.
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