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nonzi
Sept 21, 2015 17:48:33 GMT
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Post by MrMagic on Sept 21, 2015 17:48:33 GMT
Yep, the best midfielder in the world currently plays for the team bottom in La Liga, he is that good he was sent off in his first match. He did score a goal in a game after (obviously non of our players score goals). The best midfielder I've watched in a Stoke shirt bar none. Oh come on! He was no David oldfield
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 21, 2015 18:11:31 GMT
Howard Kendall,Huddy,Mahoney,salmons,brace well plus a few more,I feel sorry for anyone who thinks the Fonz is the best midfield player they have seen.Because of there age not there fault they have not seen many good players playing for our great club.But you can only chose who you have seen. I'm very happy for you to feel sorry for me. I saw all of these players. While Huddy was in a league of his own, and its generally not clever to compare players from different eras, in my 50 years of watching Stoke N'Zonzi rates very high in my estimation. His ability to keep possession was priceless, he was the player who was most responsible for taking us to the next level. We will find it very difficult to replace him and we are suffering for his absence. Huge loss and irreplaceable for the fee we received, have said it before we should have kept him to honour his contract.
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Post by bornscfcdiescfc on Sept 21, 2015 18:15:47 GMT
Would we have more points had he been in the team first 6 games...probably and ive been there to watch them all and know what we miss a midfielder to take it from Whelen and take it on 10 yards andlook for the attacking pass,...its fucking simple what we lack
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Post by Davef on Sept 21, 2015 19:29:51 GMT
I'm very happy for you to feel sorry for me. I saw all of these players. While Huddy was in a league of his own, and its generally not clever to compare players from different eras, in my 50 years of watching Stoke N'Zonzi rates very high in my estimation. His ability to keep possession was priceless, he was the player who was most responsible for taking us to the next level. We will find it very difficult to replace him and we are suffering for his absence. Huge loss and irreplaceable for the fee we received, have said it before we should have kept him to honour his contract. Yeah, force a player who's asked for a transfer three years running to stay against his will after a Spanish Champions League club has bid for him. Great idea.
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nonzi
Sept 21, 2015 19:51:38 GMT
Post by kustokie on Sept 21, 2015 19:51:38 GMT
I was born 2 years after the second time he left...... That surprises me Bayern, as I always had the feeling you were a wrinkled, miserable 65 year old with only three of his own teeth He could still be a wrinkled, miserable old git with three teeth. Just 45 not 65. Sorry, Bayern - couldn't resist. Actually I'm a bit wrinkled, fairly miserable after the last 6 PL performances and the wrong side of 60 myself!. I do have my teeth except one. LOL.
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nonzi
Sept 21, 2015 19:57:13 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Sept 21, 2015 19:57:13 GMT
Huge loss and irreplaceable for the fee we received, have said it before we should have kept him to honour his contract. Yeah, force a player who's asked for a transfer three years running to stay against his will after a Spanish Champions League club has bid for him. Great idea. He was under contract, he signed that contract I know I would rather have a sulky Zonz who never refused to play like Bego than an ineffective VG.
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nonzi
Sept 21, 2015 20:12:10 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 20:12:10 GMT
Thanks everyone for their comments, we all have our own opinion of Nonz and good luck to him. He was bril for us, whp can forget his goal against Livo but he was a sulk, he was influenced by his family/agent to move on, he maybe could have stayed another season but that was it. As far as comparing him to the great Hudson - well I was able to see them both and sorry Nonz but Huddy was immense. In those days we had to sell our best - Heath, Crooks, Pejic to name a few. Good luck Nonz great to have known you as a Stokeie.
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Post by kustokie on Sept 21, 2015 21:20:05 GMT
N'zonzi was a good player, not great. He was also a selfish, self-centered, greedy little frog. Once Bojan comes into his own, we'll forget all about N'zonzi.
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nonzi
Sept 21, 2015 21:27:40 GMT
Post by Pugsley on Sept 21, 2015 21:27:40 GMT
Undoubted ability...but he was petulant, arrogant and a red card waiting to happen on many occasions.......
And..................................................he DIDN'T WANT TO BE HERE !!!!!!
We will be ok WITHOUT HIM
Our best player in these past 3 seasons. We probably will be ok. Is ok good enough? I had my sights set a bit higher than "ok". Well you did say we under performed last season so at least you are consistent with your bollocks.
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nonzi
Sept 21, 2015 21:33:45 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2015 21:33:45 GMT
Our best player in these past 3 seasons. We probably will be ok. Is ok good enough? I had my sights set a bit higher than "ok". Well you did say we under performed last season so at least you are consistent with your bollocks. We did really, it was a very strange season. But good to see you're treating Hughes like you did TP
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 21, 2015 21:35:40 GMT
Huge loss and irreplaceable for the fee we received, have said it before we should have kept him to honour his contract. Yeah, force a player who's asked for a transfer three years running to stay against his will after a Spanish Champions League club has bid for him. Great idea. We are playing with a sulky Walters, and that doesn't seem such a bad idea
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Post by Davef on Sept 21, 2015 21:44:25 GMT
Yeah, force a player who's asked for a transfer three years running to stay against his will after a Spanish Champions League club has bid for him. Great idea. We are playing with a sulky Walters, and that doesn't seem such a bad idea Big difference. Walters doesn't want to leave and he's a much better character than N'zonzi.
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nonzi
Sept 21, 2015 21:49:33 GMT
Post by kustokie on Sept 21, 2015 21:49:33 GMT
Would we have more points had he been in the team first 6 games...probably and ive been there to watch them all and know what we miss a midfielder to take it from Whelen and take it on 10 yards andlook for the attacking pass,...its fucking simple what we lack Of course we are going ship goals, with a make-shift defence. As you say, the main problem is the DM. If we had someone to partner Whelan we'd attack more, defend less, score more goals and conceed less. It's not very complicated. Unfortunately we didn't sign anyone over the Summer that fits the bill. Van Ginkel's is not ready for prime-time, Charlie can play there, but he's a head-case that get's carried away. Of course really dumb starting line-ups and even dumber substitutions aren't helping.
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nonzi
Sept 21, 2015 21:51:09 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 21, 2015 21:51:09 GMT
We got money for him. If he had stayed for the last year of his contract we'd get nowt for him. Coates would rightly demand to know why we we were getting zilch when the season before we would have got a wad.
The other issue at stake is would it be right of Stoke City to hold a player back who wants to move to a club offering opportunities we are unlikely to ever be able to?
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nonzi
Sept 21, 2015 21:51:40 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Sept 21, 2015 21:51:40 GMT
Yeah, force a player who's asked for a transfer three years running to stay against his will after a Spanish Champions League club has bid for him. Great idea. We are playing with a sulky Walters, and that doesn't seem such a bad idea Do you think that has anything to do with any potential transfer fee ?
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Post by kustokie on Sept 21, 2015 21:51:37 GMT
We are playing with a sulky Walters, and that doesn't seem such a bad idea Big difference. Walters doesn't want to leave and he's a much better character than N'zonzi. N'zonzi would have had not choice but to play well and put in a shift this season, otherwise his value in the 2016 Summer transfer window would be in the toilet.
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nonzi
Sept 21, 2015 21:53:56 GMT
Post by kustokie on Sept 21, 2015 21:53:56 GMT
We got money for him. If he had stayed for the last year of his contract we'd get nowt for him. Coates would rightly demand to know why we we were getting zilch when the season before we would have got a wad. The other issue at stake is would it be right of Stoke City to hold a player back who wants to move to a club offering opportunities we are unlikely to ever be able to? Not necessarily. If N'zonzi had stayed and Stoke qualified for Europe, they would look much more attractive to potential signees in 2016.
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nonzi
Sept 21, 2015 21:56:48 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Sept 21, 2015 21:56:48 GMT
We are playing with a sulky Walters, and that doesn't seem such a bad idea Big difference. Walters doesn't want to leave and he's a much better character than N'zonzi. If that is indeed the case and it may be why did he put in a transfer request before the end of the lateat transfer window .Or is it a case or that does that not fit in with the agenda of the get a grippers.
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nonzi
Sept 21, 2015 21:57:01 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 21, 2015 21:57:01 GMT
We got money for him. If he had stayed for the last year of his contract we'd get nowt for him. Coates would rightly demand to know why we we were getting zilch when the season before we would have got a wad. The other issue at stake is would it be right of Stoke City to hold a player back who wants to move to a club offering opportunities we are unlikely to ever be able to? Not necessarily. If N'zonzi had stayed and Stoke qualified for Europe, they would look much more attractive to potential signees in 2016. But he would have left on a free. And he wanted to go now. I personally don't hold against him his ambition to play on the huge stage. He's gone and that's that.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 21, 2015 22:04:00 GMT
We should of persuaded N'Zonzi to sign a new contract and give him a promise that he could go at the end of this season. In the meantime we should of pulled our finger out and signed the players that showed him and his people that we meant business. Not loads of players, just good quality footballers to push us on.
We're dripping in cash but don't spend any of it, as usual we just fanny around the edges making do and blowing another golden chance to do something really special.
Just as an edit - we sold him for peanuts. Piss poor Stoke, piss poor.
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nonzi
Sept 21, 2015 22:05:31 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Sept 21, 2015 22:05:31 GMT
We got money for him. If he had stayed for the last year of his contract we'd get nowt for him. Coates would rightly demand to know why we we were getting zilch when the season before we would have got a wad. The other issue at stake is would it be right of Stoke City to hold a player back who wants to move to a club offering opportunities we are unlikely to ever be able to? Not necessarily. If N'zonzi had stayed and Stoke qualified for Europe, they would look much more attractive to potential signees in 2016. Please stop talking common sense, we act so small time as a club sometimes it is scary, first sign of money we leapt at it like lemmings over the edge fuck the consequences, Hughes and Co. were so focused on bringing in a big named player he took his eye off the ball completely, just proves to me how much the purse strings have been tightened, we have played Russian roulette (BET 365) style maybe once too often this time, let's hope we can turn this around as we look so poor in defence and midfield all self inflicted with poor options in both areas.
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nonzi
Sept 21, 2015 22:08:57 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Sept 21, 2015 22:08:57 GMT
We should of persuaded N'Zonzi to sign a new contract and give him a promise that he could go at the end of this season. In the meantime we should of pulled our finger out and signed the players that showed him and his people that we meant business. Not loads of players, just good quality footballers to push us on. We're dripping in cash but don't spend any of it, as usual we just fanny around the edges making do and blowing another golden chance to do something really special. Fuck me sideways Pugs I agree with you now, what a monumental day maybe we could agree a truce deal
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nonzi
Sept 21, 2015 23:09:30 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 21, 2015 23:09:30 GMT
We should of persuaded N'Zonzi to sign a new contract and give him a promise that he could go at the end of this season. In the meantime we should of pulled our finger out and signed the players that showed him and his people that we meant business. Not loads of players, just good quality footballers to push us on. We're dripping in cash but don't spend any of it, as usual we just fanny around the edges making do and blowing another golden chance to do something really special. Just as an edit - we sold him for peanuts. Piss poor Stoke, piss poor. Spot on with everything there, Pugs.
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nonzi
Sept 21, 2015 23:49:08 GMT
Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 21, 2015 23:49:08 GMT
Not necessarily. If N'zonzi had stayed and Stoke qualified for Europe, they would look much more attractive to potential signees in 2016. Please stop talking common sense, we act so small time as a club sometimes it is scary, first sign of money we leapt at it like lemmings over the edge fuck the consequences, Hughes and Co. were so focused on bringing in a big named player he took his eye off the ball completely, just proves to me how much the purse strings have been tightened, we have played Russian roulette (BET 365) style maybe once too often this time, let's hope we can turn this around as we look so poor in defence and midfield all self inflicted with poor options in both areas. Obviously unaware of the saying: 'The bookies always win.' Bookies tend to be proficient at managing risks. Bet 365 are perhaps the best around. It's better to enjoy the ride rather than the incessant carping. You are quite funny though.
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nonzi
Sept 21, 2015 23:56:27 GMT
Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 21, 2015 23:56:27 GMT
We should of persuaded N'Zonzi to sign a new contract and give him a promise that he could go at the end of this season. In the meantime we should of pulled our finger out and signed the players that showed him and his people that we meant business. Not loads of players, just good quality footballers to push us on. We're dripping in cash but don't spend any of it, as usual we just fanny around the edges making do and blowing another golden chance to do something really special. Just as an edit - we sold him for peanuts. Piss poor Stoke, piss poor. There were loads of personal issues compounding the N'Zonzi move too. Far from just footballing stuff. Did you think that sacking Pulis would automatically give us a pass into the Champions League? {Like it has Crystal Palace?}. You're the fella dancing between threads, telling folk to get a grip, moaning that everyone is like Arsenal fans. Or is that someone else? Seriously what were you expecting. Piss poor Stoke indeed!
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nonzi
Sept 22, 2015 3:49:34 GMT
Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Sept 22, 2015 3:49:34 GMT
Howard Kendall,Huddy,Mahoney,salmons,brace well plus a few more,I feel sorry for anyone who thinks the Fonz is the best midfield player they have seen.Because of there age not there fault they have not seen many good players playing for our great club.But you can only chose who you have seen. I'm very happy for you to feel sorry for me. I saw all of these players. While Huddy was in a league of his own, and its generally not clever to compare players from different eras, in my 50 years of watching Stoke N'Zonzi rates very high in my estimation. His ability to keep possession was priceless, he was the player who was most responsible for taking us to the next level. We will find it very difficult to replace him and we are suffering for his absence. I really don't get the massive love-in, he played really well last season I admit, but the previous 2 seasons I felt he never took on the responsibility that he should have. I always felt he slowed our play down too much and he was never really consistent, we have missed him tremendously though (a lot more than I thought we would).
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nonzi
Sept 22, 2015 4:07:29 GMT
Post by kustokie on Sept 22, 2015 4:07:29 GMT
Not necessarily. If N'zonzi had stayed and Stoke qualified for Europe, they would look much more attractive to potential signees in 2016. But he would have left on a free. And he wanted to go now. I personally don't hold against him his ambition to play on the huge stage. He's gone and that's that. True. However, don't you think finishing this season in 7th or 8th place and winning a cup would have increased Stoke's value by significantly more than 7 million, especially given the fact we seem to have pissed the money away over the Summer. Right now we do well to finish in the top half unless something changes PDQ. Very short sighted management. Does anyone know how much the difference in TV money is between finishing, say 7th or 8th, versus finishing 11th or 12th? Having said all that, I am more excited about watching a fully fit Bojan than I am upset about N'zonzi leaving.
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nonzi
Sept 22, 2015 4:25:03 GMT
Post by kustokie on Sept 22, 2015 4:25:03 GMT
I'm very happy for you to feel sorry for me. I saw all of these players. While Huddy was in a league of his own, and its generally not clever to compare players from different eras, in my 50 years of watching Stoke N'Zonzi rates very high in my estimation. His ability to keep possession was priceless, he was the player who was most responsible for taking us to the next level. We will find it very difficult to replace him and we are suffering for his absence. I really don't get the massive love-in, he played really well last season I admit, but the previous 2 seasons I felt he never took on the responsibility that he should have. I always felt he slowed our play down too much and he was never really consistent, we have missed him tremendously though (a lot more than I thought we would). Be careful, mate. I said that a couple of times and got my ass kicked for expressing an opinion. So I'll say it again because to quote Vincent Gambino in My Cousin Vinny, "I could use good ass kicking". So here goes, N'zonzi was good for about 20 games at the end of 2014/15 and partially filled the gap left by Bojan. Before that he was average, and tended to slow things up. His attitude was also piss poor. Arnie and Bojan is, potentially a very exciting combination. Of course, Nzonzi, Whelan, Arnie, Bojan and Shaq, all on form, would have been a very exciting prospect and one of the best MFs in the league But it ain't gonna happen, so let's move on. Right now we are one MF and one CB player short of being a great team - as long as Hughes and Bowen don't select a dumb starting 11 and don't make even dumber substitutions. Dunner werrit, we'll be fine (I think hope!).
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nonzi
Sept 22, 2015 4:41:24 GMT
Post by kustokie on Sept 22, 2015 4:41:24 GMT
But he would have left on a free. And he wanted to go now. I personally don't hold against him his ambition to play on the huge stage. He's gone and that's that. True. However, don't you think finishing this season in 7th or 8th place and winning a cup would have increased Stoke's value by significantly more than 7 million, especially given the fact we seem to have pissed the money away over the Summer. Right now we do well to finish in the top half unless something changes PDQ. Very short sighted management. Does anyone know how much the difference in TV money is between finishing, say 7th or 8th, versus finishing 11th or 12th? Having said all that, I am more excited about watching a fully fit Bojan than I am upset about N'zonzi leaving. Just Googled it. The difference between finishing 7th and finishing 11th is 22 million quid. So investing 7 million to get 22 million looks like a pretty good ROI to me - actually more than 200%. Not to mention the increased value of the franchise and the potential to attract a better quality player in 2016. Erm...I must be missing something.
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nonzi
Sept 22, 2015 5:13:52 GMT
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Post by malteser68 on Sept 22, 2015 5:13:52 GMT
We got money for him. If he had stayed for the last year of his contract we'd get nowt for him. Coates would rightly demand to know why we we were getting zilch when the season before we would have got a wad. The other issue at stake is would it be right of Stoke City to hold a player back who wants to move to a club offering opportunities we are unlikely to ever be able to? So what if we got money for him ??!!! Should have at least spent that money to buy a good replacement for him !! Instead we got a greener than green MVG on loan We should have had money to spend without off-loading nzonzi as we hadn't spent anything for a good part of 3years
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