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nonzi
Sept 21, 2015 0:05:24 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2015 0:05:24 GMT
Top clubs that have just won a major European trophy two years in a row and now play in the Champions League. Top clubs like that yeah? So how many "top clubs" from the Premiership came in for him? You know, the clubs who see him close up regularly? He was an absolute bargain at £7 million we're told, so why didn't Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City come in for him? Man City even scouted him (according to you) and decided he wasn't even worth the type of small change that they'd lose down the back of the sofa. Even the likes of Spurs and Liverpool didn't see this superstar to be worthy as splashing out £7 million for. That clearly says he was a decent mid-table Premiership midfielder. Not some world beater like you're making out. But really that's we all saw. Like I said Man City scouted him, no idea if they ever came in for him. Man Yoo bought the best central midfielder in the world for 6.5 million! I'm guessing Man City needed the homegrown player more. It says we don't know who was actually in for him and are making shit up because he went to a top club and are clutching at straws!
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nonzi
Sept 21, 2015 0:11:37 GMT
Post by ukcstokie on Sept 21, 2015 0:11:37 GMT
"Under Hughes he's been our best player". Nope. Ryan is. Comfortably. We are missing Nzonzi. But he's fucking gone. He's not ours. Stop fucking pining for him. Really STOP. Pretty much any replacement would meant that we would have to change the way we play. That's the problem, we're adjusting to having to play a different way. But to continue to dwell on Nzonzi and make out that he was some kind of superstar is really not helping. And not true. Yes Ryan missed 6 games, and was struggling with the injury for a large chunk of the others. You know this - but you're happy to twist the facts to make Nzonzi look better. Of course he was player of the season last year. While even the Oatcake had him in third. Personally I had him as my player of the season, but that was because the other contenders either were poor (Bego) or had injury effected seasons (Ryan and Bojan). Nah. Ryan is a close second. I just want someone who can replicate what he did, we haven't got that person and we're third bottom for it. It is true though isn't it? He dictated our play, you know the two season we finished 9th in the Premier League, our best since the 70's. He was the heartbeat of that....... Not twisting anything you made out that he was out for a long time and affected him winning POTY awards, he wasn't and it didn't. Ryan not the most important player of Hughes time? That's just daft. Really you need to take down the posters of the Sevilla player and realise he's not coming back. He was the heartbeat of the team, but we need to find a way of making what we have work.
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nonzi
Sept 21, 2015 0:13:40 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2015 0:13:40 GMT
Nah. Ryan is a close second. I just want someone who can replicate what he did, we haven't got that person and we're third bottom for it. It is true though isn't it? He dictated our play, you know the two season we finished 9th in the Premier League, our best since the 70's. He was the heartbeat of that....... Not twisting anything you made out that he was out for a long time and affected him winning POTY awards, he wasn't and it didn't. Ryan not the most important player of Hughes time? That's just daft. Really you need to take down the posters of the Sevilla player and realise he's not coming back. He was the heartbeat of the team, but we need to find a way of making what we have work. No. And it isn't. The key to our change in style was the calmness of Fonzy in the middle of the park. He was the only one who at first could handle it. That calmness took the pressure off the others including Ryan. Whose natural ability on the ball then flourished.
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nonzi
Sept 21, 2015 0:13:47 GMT
Post by ukcstokie on Sept 21, 2015 0:13:47 GMT
So how many "top clubs" from the Premiership came in for him? You know, the clubs who see him close up regularly? He was an absolute bargain at £7 million we're told, so why didn't Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City come in for him? Man City even scouted him (according to you) and decided he wasn't even worth the type of small change that they'd lose down the back of the sofa. Even the likes of Spurs and Liverpool didn't see this superstar to be worthy as splashing out £7 million for. That clearly says he was a decent mid-table Premiership midfielder. Not some world beater like you're making out. But really that's we all saw. Like I said Man City scouted him, no idea if they ever came in for him. Man Yoo bought the best central midfielder in the world for 6.5 million! I'm guessing Man City needed the homegrown player more. It says we don't know who was actually in for him and are making shit up because he went to a top club and are clutching at straws! Man City didn't come in for him because they didn't rate him. Nobody else came in for him because they didn't see him as good enough. Football clubs don't turn down superstars for £7 million do they?
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nonzi
Sept 21, 2015 0:15:38 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2015 0:15:38 GMT
Like I said Man City scouted him, no idea if they ever came in for him. Man Yoo bought the best central midfielder in the world for 6.5 million! I'm guessing Man City needed the homegrown player more. It says we don't know who was actually in for him and are making shit up because he went to a top club and are clutching at straws! Man City didn't come in for him because they didn't rate him. Nobody else came in for him because they didn't see him as good enough. Football clubs don't turn down superstars for £7 million do they? We don't know that. But we do know they had a shortage of homegrown players and needed more..... They don't. That's why a Champions League club who have a major European trophy two years running signed him!
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Sept 21, 2015 0:17:03 GMT
Post by ukcstokie on Sept 21, 2015 0:17:03 GMT
Ryan not the most important player of Hughes time? That's just daft. Really you need to take down the posters of the Sevilla player and realise he's not coming back. He was the heartbeat of the team, but we need to find a way of making what we have work. No. And it isn't. The key to our change in style was the calmness of Fonzy in the middle of the park. He was the only one who at first could handle it. That calmness took the pressure off the others including Ryan. Whose natural ability on the ball then flourished. And we've moved on. And so has he. He didn't want to be here any longer. Time to take down the posters now. So Ryan looking our best defender in a genration was down to Nzonzi?
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nonzi
Sept 21, 2015 0:19:50 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2015 0:19:50 GMT
No. And it isn't. The key to our change in style was the calmness of Fonzy in the middle of the park. He was the only one who at first could handle it. That calmness took the pressure off the others including Ryan. Whose natural ability on the ball then flourished. And we've moved on. And so has he. He didn't want to be here any longer. Time to take down the posters now. So Ryan looking our best defender in a genration was down to Nzonzi? We have and it's not good. Ryan has looked our best defender in a generation since about 2009. He got better but under Hughes, Fonzy was our best player.
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nonzi
Sept 21, 2015 0:21:46 GMT
Post by ukcstokie on Sept 21, 2015 0:21:46 GMT
Man City didn't come in for him because they didn't rate him. Nobody else came in for him because they didn't see him as good enough. Football clubs don't turn down superstars for £7 million do they? We don't know that. But we do know they had a shortage of homegrown players and needed more..... They don't. That's why a Champions League club who have a major European trophy two years running signed him! We do know that. Man City scouted him knowing he was not 'home grown'. They decided he wasn't worth £7 million. Sevilla took a chance on him. Nobody who know's what he's like directly would risk £7 million on him.
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nonzi
Sept 21, 2015 0:23:50 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2015 0:23:50 GMT
We don't know that. But we do know they had a shortage of homegrown players and needed more..... They don't. That's why a Champions League club who have a major European trophy two years running signed him! We do know that. Man City scouted him knowing he was not 'home grown'. They decided he wasn't worth £7 million. Sevilla took a chance on him. Nobody who know's what he's like directly would risk £7 million on him. No we don't. You didn't know Man City had scouted him until I told you. And I didn't know that until I got told it by a well known journo. Took a chance? They bought him for their first team. Don't know what he's like? What the fuck are you actually on about now? Do scouts and the tv not exist?
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nonzi
Sept 21, 2015 1:09:13 GMT
Post by PotterLog on Sept 21, 2015 1:09:13 GMT
Take it you never saw Hudson etc Howard Kendall,Huddy,Mahoney,salmons,brace well plus a few more,I feel sorry for anyone who thinks the Fonz is the best midfield player they have seen.Because of there age not there fault they have not seen many good players playing for our great club.But you can only chose who you have seen. To be fair, you don't have to be that young. You can be approaching 50 and Zonz would still apply.
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Sept 21, 2015 1:48:59 GMT
Post by PotterLog on Sept 21, 2015 1:48:59 GMT
Take it you never saw Hudson etc Howard Kendall,Huddy,Mahoney,salmons,brace well plus a few more,I feel sorry for anyone who thinks the Fonz is the best midfield player they have seen.Because of there age not there fault they have not seen many good players playing for our great club.But you can only chose who you have seen. To be fair, you don't have to be that young. You can be approaching 50 and Zonz would still apply.
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Post by kustokie on Sept 21, 2015 3:27:43 GMT
Yep, the best midfielder in the world currently plays for the team bottom in La Liga, he is that good he was sent off in his first match. He did score a goal in a game after (obviously non of our players score goals). The best midfielder I've watched in a Stoke shirt bar none. 'You poor bastard! Erm...Bojan is much more talented and a hell of a lot more exciting. Prior to Bojan's injury N'zonzi was regularly vilified on here for being lazy and the master of the sideways and backward passes. If Bojan hadn't been injured I seriously doubt we'd hear the same wailing and gnashing of teeth about N'zonzi's departure. In thee years, he had one good half of season, which was enough to get him noticed by one Champion's League team.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Sept 21, 2015 9:16:09 GMT
Can we have a new N'Zonzi thread every week? Seriously, can we?
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nonzi
Sept 21, 2015 9:30:58 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 21, 2015 9:30:58 GMT
How many would take him back for £15 million now?
Virtually all is the answer our definition of next level was a crystal palace reserve , albeit they may well be next level by May . Still they won't have £7 million. in the bank and a bunch of unproven Subs from across Europe .
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Sept 21, 2015 9:34:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 9:34:48 GMT
Drivel.
I love Zonz as much as the next person, but most of these manic threads/posts scream 'I don't like change'. Get behind the team!
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Sept 21, 2015 9:42:55 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 9:42:55 GMT
Early days but the general sentiment amongst Sevilla fans is that they've got a bargain (which we knew... most of us). He's certainly got one fan. Beto 6 Andreolli 6 Coke 6 Kolodziejczak 6 Trémoulinas 2 Kakuta 0 Krychowiak 2 N'Zonzi 10 Vitolo 6 Fernando Llorente 2 Gameiro 2 Konoplyanka 6 Immobile 2 Krohn-Dehli 2 However, midfield teething problems and a shaky defence seem to be a common theme. The Curva Espana @thecurvaespana 23h23 hours ago N'Zonzi & Krychowiak are both good players but as a partnership I'm not convinced. Konoplyanka & Immobile should start every game Chris @moarfootball 23h23 hours ago Emery has injuries in defence, but N'Zonzi/Krycho doing very little to protect those behind them. Wass, Orellana & Nolito running circles.
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Post by foster on Sept 21, 2015 9:43:23 GMT
The best midfielder I've watched in a Stoke shirt bar none. 'You poor bastard! Erm...Bojan is much more talented and a hell of a lot more exciting. Prior to Bojan's injury N'zonzi was regularly vilified on here for being lazy and the master of the sideways and backward passes. If Bojan hadn't been injured I seriously doubt we'd hear the same wailing and gnashing of teeth about N'zonzi's departure. In thee years, he had one good half of season, which was enough to get him noticed by one Champion's League team. 1 good half a season? Bollocks. Zonzi was vilified by people who didn't look up the stats, which spoke for themselves regarding his passing and running. In much the same way as people believed that Stoke Rugby team bullshit. Founded on no basis whatsoever.
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Sept 21, 2015 11:13:37 GMT
Post by Davef on Sept 21, 2015 11:13:37 GMT
Can we have a new N'Zonzi thread every week? Seriously, can we? This is a Nonzi thread.
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Sept 21, 2015 11:17:50 GMT
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Post by werrington on Sept 21, 2015 11:17:50 GMT
'You poor bastard! Erm...Bojan is much more talented and a hell of a lot more exciting. Prior to Bojan's injury N'zonzi was regularly vilified on here for being lazy and the master of the sideways and backward passes. If Bojan hadn't been injured I seriously doubt we'd hear the same wailing and gnashing of teeth about N'zonzi's departure. In thee years, he had one good half of season, which was enough to get him noticed by one Champion's League team. 1 good half a season? Bollocks. Zonzi was vilified by people who didn't look up the stats, which spoke for themselves regarding his passing and running. In much the same way as people believed that Stoke Rugby team bullshit. Founded on no basis whatsoever. Mate I had a row with a Stoke fan at Sunderland away last season as he and a big majority of the support were turning on Nzonzi Clueless
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Sept 21, 2015 11:39:42 GMT
Yep, the best midfielder in the world currently plays for the team bottom in La Liga, he is that good he was sent off in his first match. He did score a goal in a game after (obviously non of our players score goals). The best midfielder I've watched in a Stoke shirt bar none. Alan Hudson
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Post by sportsman on Sept 21, 2015 11:40:16 GMT
'You poor bastard! Erm...Bojan is much more talented and a hell of a lot more exciting. Prior to Bojan's injury N'zonzi was regularly vilified on here for being lazy and the master of the sideways and backward passes. If Bojan hadn't been injured I seriously doubt we'd hear the same wailing and gnashing of teeth about N'zonzi's departure. In thee years, he had one good half of season, which was enough to get him noticed by one Champion's League team. 1 good half a season? Bollocks. Zonzi was vilified by people who didn't look up the stats, which spoke for themselves regarding his passing and running. In much the same way as people believed that Stoke Rugby team bullshit. Founded on no basis whatsoever. Bollocks. I posted all his stats on here many a time. Most were bang average to lower compared to other midfielders.
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Sept 21, 2015 12:03:42 GMT
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Post by chamberlain on Sept 21, 2015 12:03:42 GMT
I saw Alan Hudson and N'Zonzi was the best since then by a country mile, his departure has left a gaping hole, he almost single handedly defined the transition from Pulis to Hughes. Pretty spot on gods
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Post by foster on Sept 21, 2015 12:19:34 GMT
1 good half a season? Bollocks. Zonzi was vilified by people who didn't look up the stats, which spoke for themselves regarding his passing and running. In much the same way as people believed that Stoke Rugby team bullshit. Founded on no basis whatsoever. Bollocks. I posted all his stats on here many a time. Most were bang average to lower compared to other midfielders. Yeah ok, I believe you Attachment Deleted
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Sept 21, 2015 12:44:49 GMT
Post by huddy on Sept 21, 2015 12:44:49 GMT
+Hudson by far the best.Nzonzi very very good.Hope he reaches his true potential which I think is even better than he showed for us which was bloody good. Tendency to not put in 100% every game
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Sept 21, 2015 13:01:46 GMT
Post by roylandstoke on Sept 21, 2015 13:01:46 GMT
Top clubs that have just won a major European trophy two years in a row and now play in the Champions League. Top clubs like that yeah? So how many "top clubs" from the Premiership came in for him? You know, the clubs who see him close up regularly? He was an absolute bargain at £7 million we're told, so why didn't Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City come in for him? Man City even scouted him (according to you) and decided he wasn't even worth the type of small change that they'd lose down the back of the sofa. Even the likes of Spurs and Liverpool didn't see this superstar to be worthy as splashing out £7 million for. That clearly says he was a decent mid-table Premiership midfielder. Not some world beater like you're making out. But really that's we all saw. The top clubs in the Prem do make mistakes in the transfer market. There was no queue for Pogba or Pique when they left ManU. Liverpool spent £35M on Andy Carrol. Chelsea recently dumped £30M on Cuadrado and then got shot of him inside a season. Manu gave Falcao £300,000 a week. Man City spent millions on the Fernando/inhos. Spurs ditto with Paulinho. Stoke spent £8M on some lump of lard from Spurs. There are many more examples. The price a player attracts is just a guide to their ability; it is not an infallible assessment of their value as a player.
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Sept 21, 2015 13:25:01 GMT
Post by ukcstokie on Sept 21, 2015 13:25:01 GMT
So how many "top clubs" from the Premiership came in for him? You know, the clubs who see him close up regularly? He was an absolute bargain at £7 million we're told, so why didn't Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City come in for him? Man City even scouted him (according to you) and decided he wasn't even worth the type of small change that they'd lose down the back of the sofa. Even the likes of Spurs and Liverpool didn't see this superstar to be worthy as splashing out £7 million for. That clearly says he was a decent mid-table Premiership midfielder. Not some world beater like you're making out. But really that's we all saw. The top clubs in the Prem do make mistakes in the transfer market. There was no queue for Pogba or Pique when they left ManU. Liverpool spent £35M on Andy Carrol. Chelsea recently dumped £30M on Cuadrado and then got shot of him inside a season. Manu gave Falcao £300,000 a week. Man City spent millions on the Fernando/inhos. Spurs ditto with Paulinho. Stoke spent £8M on some lump of lard from Spurs. There are many more examples. The price a player attracts is just a guide to their ability; it is not an infallible assessment of their value as a player. Most of those mistakes were made on the basis of little experience in the Premier League. Nzonzi had been playing in the Premier League for over 6 years. My view on Nzonzi is based on what I witnessed at Stoke. He's a bloody good footballer but not the world beater he's been made out to be since he left. That also seemed to be the view of pretty much all of the message board. But some are re-writing history now he's gone.
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Sept 21, 2015 13:43:00 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 13:43:00 GMT
The top clubs in the Prem do make mistakes in the transfer market. There was no queue for Pogba or Pique when they left ManU. Liverpool spent £35M on Andy Carrol. Chelsea recently dumped £30M on Cuadrado and then got shot of him inside a season. Manu gave Falcao £300,000 a week. Man City spent millions on the Fernando/inhos. Spurs ditto with Paulinho. Stoke spent £8M on some lump of lard from Spurs. There are many more examples. The price a player attracts is just a guide to their ability; it is not an infallible assessment of their value as a player. Most of those mistakes were made on the basis of little experience in the Premier League. Nzonzi had been playing in the Premier League for over 6 years. My view on Nzonzi is based on what I witnessed at Stoke. He's a bloody good footballer but not the world beater he's been made out to be since he left. That also seemed to be the view of pretty much all of the message board. But some are re-writing history now he's gone. To be fair I don't think many are calling N'Zonzi a world beater - just, as you say, a bloody good (Premier League) footballer. Arnie called him "The Boss", Bojan said he "conducted our performances". That doesn't mean he'd necessarily waltz into Chelsea or Man City's midfield, but it does mean that he's left a huge gaping hole in our side. How big that hole is will be seen as the next few months unfold. The lack of anyone remotely fitting his style of play in our current squad is probably exaggerating the loss too.
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Sept 21, 2015 14:26:22 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2015 14:26:22 GMT
The best midfielder I've watched in a Stoke shirt bar none. Alan Hudson I was born 2 years after the second time he left......
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Post by jimmygscfc on Sept 21, 2015 14:41:18 GMT
I was born 2 years after the second time he left...... That surprises me Bayern, as I always had the feeling you were a wrinkled, miserable 65 year old with only three of his own teeth
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 21, 2015 17:43:41 GMT
Take it you never saw Hudson etc Howard Kendall,Huddy,Mahoney,salmons,brace well plus a few more,I feel sorry for anyone who thinks the Fonz is the best midfield player they have seen.Because of there age not there fault they have not seen many good players playing for our great club.But you can only chose who you have seen. I'm very happy for you to feel sorry for me. I saw all of these players. While Huddy was in a league of his own, and its generally not clever to compare players from different eras, in my 50 years of watching Stoke N'Zonzi rates very high in my estimation. His ability to keep possession was priceless, he was the player who was most responsible for taking us to the next level. We will find it very difficult to replace him and we are suffering for his absence.
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