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Post by greyman on Apr 26, 2016 10:19:11 GMT
Justice finally then. The next question QUESTION 7: Behaviour of the supporters Posted at 11:14 Was there any behaviour on the part of the football supporters which caused or contributed to the dangerous situation at the Leppings Lane turnstiles? Yes or no. No. Was there any behaviour on the part of the football supporters which may have caused or contributed to the dangerous situation at the Leppings Lane turnstiles? Yes or no. No. Can the rot spouted on this board finally be put to bed now? What do you think? It'll be along shortly |
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Post by greyman on Apr 26, 2016 10:17:29 GMT
Too late Joe. There are people who have always known better than this and previous inquests. The inquiry could have saved itself years of time and effort, forgot about the evidence and relied instead on the prejudices of some people on this messageboard. They'll be along shortly to tell the people who've spent two years sifting the evidence in minute detail exactly why they are wrong.
Q7 in particular will be eating some of them up.
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Post by greyman on Apr 13, 2016 8:18:00 GMT
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Post by greyman on Apr 7, 2016 12:28:04 GMT
It's a shockingly designed stadium in lots of ways and could be improved massively. Some things you can't do anything about however including the gap between the Q Railing stand and the pitch and the fact the place is 180 degrees out anyway. The design is fine, the car parking is ample, getting away was fine when the police were in charge, that soon changed when they put this management company in place. 180 degrees out? What? The gap between the Q Railing and pitch affects nothing. It affects nothing apart from the conditions, capacity and atmosphere obv. 180 degrees out as in the configuration means that players come out and leave next to the away fans, it makes getting off the main car parks more difficult while the official away coaches leave and it was often a source of crowd trouble in the past and may be again. That's before you even get to the bland design of the stadium and the fact we appear to have paid over the odds for it. |
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Post by greyman on Apr 7, 2016 10:46:39 GMT
All this negativity about the stadium. It's the team that matters more to me. I would watch Stoke in a pig sty if we could put a team together to win a trophy! And no, you already are quote's please! I like the Brit tbh. I really don't get the negativity towards it. I can see why people want to expand but the stadium as is is fine. It's a shockingly designed stadium in lots of ways and could be improved massively. Some things you can't do anything about however including the gap between the Q Railing stand and the pitch and the fact the place is 180 degrees out anyway. |
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Post by greyman on Apr 1, 2016 11:42:39 GMT
I can't understand why some people are surprised by most people's apathy towards England. Once you reach the age of, I don't know, 20ish and have seen England fail again and again by squeezing the big name players and a handful of manager's favourites into the team every single tournament it's hard to watch games with anything other than a mentality of hoping for the best and expecting the worst. Does Rooney deserve to be a guaranteed starter? Do Wilshere and Delph deserve to even be on the plane? Will England really benefit from not getting Vardy and Kane into the team even though they've been on fire since the end of last season? The thing is though it's so obvious what will happen in all those situations (and many others) that it's hard to even get annoyed by it anymore. You can only watch somebody shoot themselves in the foot so many times before you start to think it's not worth getting upset about. You can always make a case for Rooney. You'd like to think he won't be taking Wilshere and Phil Jones though. It's stuff like that that makes my heart sink. |
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Post by greyman on Mar 31, 2016 16:25:14 GMT
Well to be fair, Jamie Vardy has been picked after admitting and apologising for making dodgy racist remarks in a casino. John Terry was cleared in a court of law for his alleged misdemeanours yet hounded out of a Kangaroo court... Hold on there Rumpole. The court found that he had definitely called Ferdinand a 'fucking black cunt' but couldn't prove beyond reasonable doubt his intentions. Terry had initially denied it. His employer decided to charge him on the basis of a preponderance of evidence. Two different burdens of proof involved. The FA didn't sack him, Terry resigned even before the verdict. Personally, if I found out one of my employees had called somebody that, I wouldn't be interested in quibbling about what they may or may not have meant either. They'd be out the door. |
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Post by greyman on Mar 26, 2016 21:54:01 GMT
It's a lot worse now you're here Saturday night rubbish. Don't bother replying, signing off as I have a life. This is going to kill you then. Your life is so amazing, you're spending your Saturdays moaning on a thread you don't even like. |
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Post by greyman on Mar 26, 2016 21:44:43 GMT
Is this the worst thread ever posted on here? It's a lot worse now you're here |
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Post by greyman on Mar 26, 2016 18:15:22 GMT
On a Stoke City message board being called an ex Man Utd fan is a damning accusation. I don't know the facts but wouldn't be surprised if it has the same validity as other accusations in this thread. People should be better than to mindlessly slander others. This might be the Internet but we are also a very small niche' band of people, we should be above some of the pitfalls of modern internet usage such as bullying, trolling, the spread of false, damaging rumours etc and yet in this small thread we have seen all of those ills. I just don't get where some people are coming from and never will. True. I know fornside was talking to his wife Monica Hartland about this. Malcolm Clarke is their son, you know although he's likely to deny it in public. Martin Smith doesn't even exist. He's an amalgam of different people like the Secret Footballer. I'm surprised Martin Spinks didn't know this. |
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Post by greyman on Mar 26, 2016 13:47:17 GMT
My main frustration with Hodgson and seemingly most recent England managers (or is it the FA...) is the inconsistency in selection strategy. Lallana, Henderson, Cahill and Smalling are the ones that spring to mind for tonight's game - all underperforming at the worst / bag on average at best on current / this season's form. Yet will get in the starting XI of any England team. Yet players like Mark Noble or Shawcross who have been their club's strongest player for seasons in and out never seem to get a proper look in. Flip side of that players in good immediate form like Michail Antonio or Arron Creswell also get overlooked. Unless that is you play for a bigger club where you can seemingly play about 3 good games and get straight in. What will we learn from playing Lallana on the left again and Henderson in the middle? They're both very 'beige' players that don't inspire me to watch England play. To be fair, when it comes to Jack Wilshere and Phil Jones, you don't have to be playing at all to get in, |
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Post by greyman on Mar 26, 2016 8:29:58 GMT
Don't get worked up buddy... You're a top guy and better than that.. Let's just let the new "boys" have their fun while we reminisce about fenetre and the importance of rooster linking in with Bertie ???? I' not really worked up mate - they can say me, Duck, my missus etc are s***. That's fine, their opinion. But the comments are wrong. We have 22K season tickets: I'd put myslef a way down the influence list if there's to be one. I can't afford to do aways, others put far more into the club than me etc. It's a cringy list - I could not believe ot when I saw it. I think he was kidding. It was just a shit joke |
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Post by greyman on Mar 26, 2016 8:28:52 GMT
Monica should be in there a more passionate and knowledgable Stokey you cannot meet travelling 100s of miles to every game. Puts me and my 2-3 games a season to shame. She needs a medal for being married to fornside |
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Post by greyman on Mar 25, 2016 14:38:20 GMT
1. Martin Smith
2. Malcolm Clarke
3. Angela Smith / Monica Hartland
4. Dave Frith
5. Neil Baldwin
You heard it here first
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Post by greyman on Mar 24, 2016 11:05:43 GMT
See. Now you're just making stuff up. Creating straw men is not the way forward with this. As I've said repeatedly it's possible to believe Pulis did a good job but that he's a cock and an egomaniac. I don't even base that view on his time at other clubs. He was a cock and an egomaniac at Stoke too. So. Just to summarise because I know you're struggling without just making stuff up. Good job. Wanker. Your whole point is an exercise in building straw men to justify your previous dreadful behaviour. Guilt's a terrible thing! This has to be the last thing I say on this because it was boring hours ago. I don't feel guilty. I've never booed the man, never demanded he be sacked, even when asked directly by the Chairman. I think he did a good job. I don't hate him. I just think he's a wanker and I've got plenty of good reasons to hold that opinion. |
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Post by greyman on Mar 24, 2016 8:31:35 GMT
I refer you to my earlier point. Just because Scally is a wanker, doesn't mean Pulis isn't. You still struggle with the idea that people can have two separate thoughts in their head at any one time. You've got a binary brain. No I struggle with the fact that Pulis has been viciously abused since the day he joined the club by some of our shit fans. I struggle with the fact that something he has supposed to done at other clubs is used to justify that shitty stance of some of our shitty fans. I struggle with the fact that promotions, great survival feats, cup finals and Europe being belittled by some of our shitty fans because of who delivered them but most of all I struggle with being preached at by a bloke who genuinely thinks that Boskmap did a better job than Pulis and a bloke who followed Boskamp around Europe to fellate him whilst Pulis was busy getting promoted in deepest Essex! These are the things I struggle with! See. Now you're just making stuff up. Creating straw men is not the way forward with this. As I've said repeatedly it's possible to believe Pulis did a good job but that he's a cock and an egomaniac. I don't even base that view on his time at other clubs. He was a cock and an egomaniac at Stoke too. So. Just to summarise because I know you're struggling without just making stuff up. Good job. Wanker. |
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Post by greyman on Mar 24, 2016 5:19:09 GMT
He took them too court spent 3 or 4 days in the witness box and then settled at less than 25% of what he claimed he was owed and £20k more than Gillingham had accepted he should be paid which another website claimed was just his contractual notice. I stand corrected too Scally never even had to take the stand before TP did a Valencia away in court and settled  I just thought it was worth mentioning that the honourable and virtuous Mr Scally had to pay up. It seemed to have got lost in 'some peoples' recounting of events for some reason. Can't think why. I refer you to my earlier point. Just because Scally is a wanker, doesn't mean Pulis isn't. You still struggle with the idea that people can have two separate thoughts in their head at any one time. You've got a binary brain. |
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Post by greyman on Mar 23, 2016 16:48:20 GMT
I think you need to read a West Brom or Palace message board. We're back where we were though aren't we? You still think people aren't allowed to think he's a cunt who did a good job for us, which is what I believe along with lots of other people here, in Smethwick, Gillingham and London. Well get used to it because we have the facts on our side. Oh come on now. I've seen him get a standing ovation at Preistfield. Palace fans are remarkably sanguine about the fact he apparently tried to cheat them out of 2 million quid, preferring to concentrate on the job he did. I read a West Brom messagebaord the other day and itv was nothing like the vitriol on this mad house. Perhaps we're just a bit wanker fans than most? For that to develop, they'd need a full decade of him like we had. |
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Post by greyman on Mar 23, 2016 16:13:28 GMT
Yes, like I forgave Pulis and didn't even call for his head when I knew what he was up to. Keep up. Like I've just said, it's possible to hold more than one opinion on somebody. If Peter Coates kept digging holes for himself, like Pulis does, then I'd have a problem with that. The fact is that everywhere Pulis goes, he creates problems and the fans turn on him. I'm still waiting for you to explain this massive coincidence. I told you yesterday, supporters wise I can only think of Bristol City and Portsmouth fans who outright hate him and that’s based on their feeling he was simply a wank manager more than anything else. The two clubs where he has ‘done something’ the fans still by and large hold him in good esteem. Yet here where he committed the crime of finishing 12th in the Championship on a relative minute budget for absentee owners he is subjected to continual vile abuse. Compared to the other fans and bearing in mind the undeniable upsides of his tenure here I think we take the spitting venom to a whole new level. I think you need to read a West Brom or Palace message board. We're back where we were though aren't we? You still think people aren't allowed to think he's a cunt who did a good job for us, which is what I believe along with lots of other people here, in Smethwick, Gillingham and London. Well get used to it because we have the facts on our side. |
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Post by greyman on Mar 23, 2016 15:59:41 GMT
What I suspect is that many fans had got over what he was up to during the binary season or were unaware of it. But a lot of people have never forgiven him for Valencia and it opened up a lot of wounds, both old and new. But you've forgiven Peter Coates for that whole period around binary? Yes, like I forgave Pulis and didn't even call for his head when I knew what he was up to. Keep up. Like I've just said, it's possible to hold more than one opinion on somebody. If Peter Coates kept digging holes for himself, like Pulis does, then I'd have a problem with that. The fact is that everywhere Pulis goes, he creates problems and the fans turn on him. I'm still waiting for you to explain this massive coincidence. |
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Post by greyman on Mar 23, 2016 15:46:38 GMT
What I suspect is that many fans had got over what he was up to during the binary season or were unaware of it. But a lot of people have never forgiven him for Valencia and it opened up a lot of wounds, both old and new. It is ironic that our scratch team actually played better at Valencia than we did when Valencia visited the Brit. That doesn't excuse what Pulis did in hyping the game up and then putting out a reserve side, of course, but it does mean he probably got less flack over it than if we had taken a heavy beating.  I think he'd have got even less flack if he'd bothered to fill the bench. Managers can always argue that they need to rest players when they put out weakened teams. Not taking a full squad smacks of somebody who couldn't give a toss about the match or the fans. |
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Post by greyman on Mar 23, 2016 15:28:05 GMT
His behaviour in the binary season was snide, his behaviour away at Valencia was a blatant piss take out of the travelling fans. They're equally but differently bad. What I suspect is that many fans had got over what he was up to during the binary season or were unaware of it. But a lot of people have never forgiven him for Valencia and it opened up a lot of wounds, both old and new. |
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Post by greyman on Mar 23, 2016 15:15:09 GMT
To be fair,I base my opinion of him as a wanker on the basis of some of his time at Stoke. Fair enough. I'm aware there are two camps regarding Pulis and his time at Stoke.  To be honest it's the latter of my points that really grinds my gears. But you could, for example, state that Tony Fernandez made life difficult for Hughes at QPR. It's seems (to me) that an evaluation of Paul Scally's character might not pass without debate. All owners and football mangers have an element of the raging egomaniac about them I'd wager. I've seen many Palace fans comment that Parish should have let it go, whilst agreeing that Pulis is a wanker. Fair enough. I've also seen the argument that because Scally is clearly a wanker then that must mean Pulis isn't. Whereas I think it was just two wankers What I don't get with this whole argument - and I've joined it against my better judgement - is the idea that you can't think two things at the same time. Namely that Tony Pulis did a good job for us but is not a particularly nice man and has done some seriously shady things in his time, including at Stoke. I know people mention him throwing the Valencia match but the bigger issue for me, and it fits with his behaviour at other clubs, was his behaviour during the binary season. |
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Post by greyman on Mar 23, 2016 11:48:08 GMT
Haven't read the thread in it's entirety, but I sense one of the two Oatcake truths are at play? We can't judge Pulis solely on what he did at Stoke, we have to take into account what happened at other clubs to come to the conclusion that he's a wanker. The other Oatcake truth, we can't judge ANY player on what's happened elsewhere in his career, what he does for Stoke is the only thing that matters.  To be fair,I base my opinion of him as a wanker on the basis of some of his time at Stoke. |
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Post by greyman on Mar 22, 2016 22:48:23 GMT
Yes indeed. Fancy trying to gauge the feelings of people. The meeting also shows up your attempt to create straw man arguments for what they are. Let me know when you've worked out why Pulis is subject to exactly the same venom wherever he works. Don't be so ridiculous. Serious operators don't conduct themselves in that fashion. Imagine Coates holding a shall we sack Mark Hughes meeting in May. I bet Hughes would find it absolutely hilarious. He was a joke chairman and it's a silly point but then again I forget you were on the Boskamp Bang Bus in Brussels so your testimony of that whole period is somewhat tainted! That wasn't what the meeting was for though. I'll ask you one more time then I'll give up. Why has Tony Pulis been subject to the same venom wherever he's been? What's the common factor? |
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Post by greyman on Mar 22, 2016 18:45:36 GMT
Momo is also forgetting a meeting with Gunnar Gislason I attended with a number of other people in that season (including you?) to ask whether we wanted Pulis sacked. I believe we all said no although with strong reservations. Hardly the blind hatred Momo thinks exists and in spite of what Pulis was doing that season. The fact the meeting took place at all tells you all you need to know about that cretin Gislason. Yes indeed. Fancy trying to gauge the feelings of people. The meeting also shows up your attempt to create straw man arguments for what they are. Let me know when you've worked out why Pulis is subject to exactly the same venom wherever he works. |
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Post by greyman on Mar 22, 2016 12:59:10 GMT
Were the Police involved in these serious crimes? Can you send me the links of what he did at Stoke which of course should be your main concern. I can remmeber him being sacked by the incompetent and idiotic Icelanders. Other than that it seems that personal hatred and bigotry is all that's left. You mean you supported the destructive actions he took during the binary season to prove his point, shift all blame and get his own way? You are a more misguided apologist and defender of the indefensible artist than I credited you for. Bloody hell! That season was a far more clear insight into the morals and values of the bloke than any of his charades he played later. I don't care what smart arse excuse you try and make for it. His actions that season were a fucking disgrace. Momo is also forgetting a meeting with Gunnar Gislason I attended with a number of other people in that season (including you?) to ask whether we wanted Pulis sacked. I believe we all said no although with strong reservations. Hardly the blind hatred Momo thinks exists and in spite of what Pulis was doing that season. |
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Post by greyman on Mar 22, 2016 12:51:30 GMT
The evidence that he tried to blackmail Gillingham and then lied to Crystal Palace to take them for £2 million. All in court transcripts. The reason for the venom is that he attracts it. I think even his harshest critic has to concede he did a good job. I'm grateful to him but see him for what he is. Peter Coates saw fit to employ him. Maybe because of the reputation of Mr Scally whom you presumably feel sorry for. So we can then agree that he did a fantastic job at Stoke City and is not guilty of any of the accusations you suggest elsewhere in over a decade at the club. I'll think I'll stand by me reason for the continued venom held by a group of Stoke fans. It certainly makes more sense. Well you are free to do that but then you also have to explain the venom aimed at him at all his other clubs, including his current one. Feel free to come up with some theories about that. I'm all ears. |
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Post by greyman on Mar 22, 2016 12:32:13 GMT
Sheikh The evidence is all there. Go read it. The venom is something he attracts all by himself. The atmosphere at West Brom is increasingly toxic and you'll hear all the same stuff wherever he's been. He's not even universally liked when he's getting results. When things are going against him and the mask slips, then the animosity really kicks in. The evidence for what? Of course we all know the what the real reason for the venom held by most Stoke fans is based upon. Years of proving them wrong and making them look extremely foolish. The evidence that he tried to blackmail Gillingham and then lied to Crystal Palace to take them for £2 million. All in court transcripts. The reason for the venom is that he attracts it. I think even his harshest critic has to concede he did a good job. I'm grateful to him but see him for what he is. |
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Post by greyman on Mar 22, 2016 12:23:05 GMT
Sheikh
The evidence is all there. Go read it.
The venom is something he attracts all by himself. The atmosphere at West Brom is increasingly toxic and you'll hear all the same stuff wherever he's been. He's not even universally liked when he's getting results. When things are going against him and the mask slips, then the animosity really kicks in.
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