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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 26, 2016 10:14:17 GMT
Hillsborough Inquests: The jury has just determined that the 96 people who died WERE unlawfully killed.
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Post by greyman on Apr 26, 2016 10:17:29 GMT
Too late Joe. There are people who have always known better than this and previous inquests. The inquiry could have saved itself years of time and effort, forgot about the evidence and relied instead on the prejudices of some people on this messageboard. They'll be along shortly to tell the people who've spent two years sifting the evidence in minute detail exactly why they are wrong.
Q7 in particular will be eating some of them up.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 26, 2016 10:18:23 GMT
Justice finally then.
The next question
QUESTION 7: Behaviour of the supporters
Posted at 11:14
Was there any behaviour on the part of the football supporters which caused or contributed to the dangerous situation at the Leppings Lane turnstiles? Yes or no.
No.
Was there any behaviour on the part of the football supporters which may have caused or contributed to the dangerous situation at the Leppings Lane turnstiles? Yes or no.
No.
Can the rot spouted on this board finally be put to bed now?
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Post by greyman on Apr 26, 2016 10:19:11 GMT
Justice finally then. The next question QUESTION 7: Behaviour of the supporters Posted at 11:14 Was there any behaviour on the part of the football supporters which caused or contributed to the dangerous situation at the Leppings Lane turnstiles? Yes or no. No. Was there any behaviour on the part of the football supporters which may have caused or contributed to the dangerous situation at the Leppings Lane turnstiles? Yes or no. No. Can the rot spouted on this board finally be put to bed now? What do you think? It'll be along shortly |
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Post by werrington on Apr 26, 2016 10:20:16 GMT
Those campaigning should be knighted
Those wankers on here who have spewed their bile should hang their heads in shame
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Post by blooter on Apr 26, 2016 10:22:37 GMT
Anyone who attended games in those days knows the utter contempt the police had for supporters.
Justice at last for the victims. Let's hope Duckinfield and his cronies are charged.
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 26, 2016 10:27:51 GMT
The incredible work of Anne Williams. The relentless toil of confronting the British establishment while suffering the most sickening agony anyone can possibly endure.
There aren't the words to describe the scale of respect and admiration. And the despair.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 26, 2016 10:33:41 GMT
The inquest jury's decisions in detail link |
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Post by ukcstokie on Apr 26, 2016 10:34:18 GMT
Anyone who attended games in those days knows the utter contempt the police had for supporters. Justice at last for the victims. Let's hope Duckinfield and his cronies are charged. It's not just those in charge of the actual match though is it? The police behaved that day because they were allowed and encouraged to treat football fans with utter contempt. Who created that atmosphere? The media, the politicians and those fans who had turned the football into a battle ground over many years. |
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Post by SCFC92 on Apr 26, 2016 10:36:51 GMT
Justice.
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Post by greyman on Apr 26, 2016 10:36:55 GMT
Anyone who attended games in those days knows the utter contempt the police had for supporters. Justice at last for the victims. Let's hope Duckinfield and his cronies are charged. It's not just those in charge of the actual match though is it? The police behaved that day because they were allowed and encouraged to treat football fans with utter contempt. Who created that atmosphere? The media, the politicians and those fans who had turned the football into a battle ground over many years. Also bear in mind that they continued their attempted cover up at this inquest. |
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Post by stokefc on Apr 26, 2016 10:44:50 GMT
It's not just those in charge of the actual match though is it? The police behaved that day because they were allowed and encouraged to treat football fans with utter contempt. Who created that atmosphere? The media, the politicians and those fans who had turned the football into a battle ground over many years. Also bear in mind that they continued their attempted cover up at this inquest. and that's what makes this sorry tale even more of an injustice that the powers that be tried to wriggle out of it right till the end RIP to the 96 |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 26, 2016 10:44:53 GMT
It's not just those in charge of the actual match though is it? The police behaved that day because they were allowed and encouraged to treat football fans with utter contempt. Who created that atmosphere? The media, the politicians and those fans who had turned the football into a battle ground over many years. Also bear in mind that they continued their attempted cover up at this inquest. I'm assuming that Duckinfield will be tried and convicted but the interesting thing will be how far and wide they will be able to mount prosecutions and get convictions for the cover up. One hopes that there will be many former senior police officers who will not sleep soundly in the their beds - but will any politicians be dragged into the criminal justice system? |
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 26, 2016 10:45:39 GMT
It’s possible that younger people have no idea of what happened on that terrible day in April 1989. No idea of the contempt we, as football supporters, were held in by all tiers of authority… especially the police. No idea how for several years the moment we associated ourselves with a football match all civil rights were immediately lost. It was former Deputy Chief Constable of Greater Manchester Police John Stalker in the 80s who said he was aware that many police knew that football matches were one time they were “Let off the leash”. Anyone who regularly attended matches knew that the mismanagement and victimisation we received would be deemed unacceptable in any other area of society. Hillsborough was a tragedy for all football supporters. Sadly, the police cover up and scandalous tabloid lies led to many people, including football fans, just reinforcing their own prejudices about people from Merseyside. Hopefully todays verdict has helped to enlighten people regarding the terrible incidents of that day. Most importantly, we can hope that the families and friends of the bereaved can gain some comfort.
RIP the 96.
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Post by pottarius on Apr 26, 2016 10:47:15 GMT
Anyone who attended games in those days knows the utter contempt the police had for supporters. Justice at last for the victims. Let's hope Duckinfield and his cronies are charged. It's not just those in charge of the actual match though is it? The police behaved that day because they were allowed and encouraged to treat football fans with utter contempt. Who created that atmosphere? The media, the politicians and those fans who had turned the football into a battle ground over many years. Who can forget the Sun's shameful front page and pathetic apology (blaming it on an MP)? (a list of the sick comments from the story is here) Hope they have the decency to finally apologize properly and not hide behind some made up excuse |
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Post by sage on Apr 26, 2016 10:47:43 GMT
Though it cannot undo the harm done, justice has finally been done. As others have said, those on here and elsewhere who spouted their ridiculous bile should be ashamed and stand thoroughly corrected.
I also agree with ukcstokie that the conditions that allowed the Hillsborough tragedy to happen were due in part to the contempt shown to the common football fan by politicians and the media. There are very important lessons to be learned to this very day about the dangers and moral repugnance of demonising groups of people, the vast majority of whom are innocent.
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Post by greyman on Apr 26, 2016 10:49:15 GMT
Though it cannot undo the harm done, justice has finally been done. As others have said, those on here and elsewhere who spouted their ridiculous bile should be ashamed and stand thoroughly corrected. I also agree with ukcstokie that the conditions that allowed the Hillsborough tragedy to happen were due in part to the contempt shown to the common football fan by politicians and the media. There are very important lessons to be learned to this very day about the dangers and moral repugnance of demonising groups of people, the vast majority of whom are innocent. It's not done yet. Prosecutions of individuals should now follow. |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Apr 26, 2016 10:49:33 GMT
May the families now find the peace denied to them
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Post by agingerstokie on Apr 26, 2016 10:50:57 GMT
I was born in 93 so for a long time the events at Hillsborough were unknown to me but I'm glad that there's finally been a verdict made officially and hopefully the families of those who died can find some peace if they haven't already
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Post by sage on Apr 26, 2016 10:58:24 GMT
Though it cannot undo the harm done, justice has finally been done. As others have said, those on here and elsewhere who spouted their ridiculous bile should be ashamed and stand thoroughly corrected. I also agree with ukcstokie that the conditions that allowed the Hillsborough tragedy to happen were due in part to the contempt shown to the common football fan by politicians and the media. There are very important lessons to be learned to this very day about the dangers and moral repugnance of demonising groups of people, the vast majority of whom are innocent. It's not done yet. Prosecutions of individuals should now follow. Yes, you are right of course. Hopefully the glare of publicity will prevent the sheltering of 'insiders' as we have seen so many times before. |
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Post by cheadlepotter on Apr 26, 2016 11:02:08 GMT
Justice finally then. The next question QUESTION 7: Behaviour of the supporters Posted at 11:14 Was there any behaviour on the part of the football supporters which caused or contributed to the dangerous situation at the Leppings Lane turnstiles? Yes or no. No. Was there any behaviour on the part of the football supporters which may have caused or contributed to the dangerous situation at the Leppings Lane turnstiles? Yes or no. No. Can the rot spouted on this board finally be put to bed now? I'm 29, so been around for a bit but obviously know a lot less about the disaster than folk older than me. Hundreds of Liverpool fans turned up ticketless that day and made their way into the ground that way. How are the fans not at all to blame? I'm not arguing with the findings, and I can see how the major contributor to the disaster was the police, but I'd just like someone to explain it to me without being abusive. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 26, 2016 11:04:51 GMT
It's not done yet. Prosecutions of individuals should now follow. Yes, you are right of course. Hopefully the glare of publicity will prevent the sheltering of 'insiders' as we have seen so many times before. You would think so much media being in existence now would mean there is fewer places for authorities to lie. However, remember, Hillsborough occurred in the presence of dozens of TV cameras. When The S*n claimed what they claimed there was no footage of any of it. People believe what suits their mindset. |
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 26, 2016 11:05:54 GMT
Also bear in mind that they continued their attempted cover up at this inquest. I'm assuming that Duckinfield will be tried and convicted but the interesting thing will be how far and wide they will be able to mount prosecutions and get convictions for the cover up. One hopes that there will be many former senior police officers who will not sleep soundly in the their beds - but will any politicians be dragged into the criminal justice system? The worst politician was given a state funeral! Says everything about the British establishment, doesn't it! |
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Post by werrington on Apr 26, 2016 11:12:28 GMT
Justice finally then. The next question QUESTION 7: Behaviour of the supporters Posted at 11:14 Was there any behaviour on the part of the football supporters which caused or contributed to the dangerous situation at the Leppings Lane turnstiles? Yes or no. No. Was there any behaviour on the part of the football supporters which may have caused or contributed to the dangerous situation at the Leppings Lane turnstiles? Yes or no. No. Can the rot spouted on this board finally be put to bed now? I'm 29, so been around for a bit but obviously know a lot less about the disaster than folk older than me. Hundreds of Liverpool fans turned up ticketless that day and made their way into the ground that way. How are the fans not at all to blame? I'm not arguing with the findings, and I can see how the major contributor to the disaster was the police, but I'd just like someone to explain it to me without being abusive. That was a myth about the ticketless supporters as was proven by Lord justice Taylor I not having a go at you cheadle but that has been pointed out on numerous occasions but those who didn't want to hear it still chose to go with it |
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Post by werrington on Apr 26, 2016 11:13:55 GMT
Just a shame that bitch Thatcher is not around to see all this
May she rot in hell
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Post by tobeperfectlyhonest on Apr 26, 2016 11:15:38 GMT
Vindication at last for the 96 Liverpool fans who needlessly lost their lives and a victory (albeit a hollow one) for their families who worked tirelessy for 27 years for justice. All football supporters, regardless of allegiance, should applaud this result.
Now we need to see those responsible quickly face the full weight of the criminal justice system.
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 26, 2016 11:17:51 GMT
South Yorkshire police, blamed the victims themselves. Lies finally overturned after 27 years.
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Post by nott1 on Apr 26, 2016 11:22:41 GMT
I blame Kitson.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Apr 26, 2016 11:23:38 GMT
I'm 29, so been around for a bit but obviously know a lot less about the disaster than folk older than me. Hundreds of Liverpool fans turned up ticketless that day and made their way into the ground that way. How are the fans not at all to blame? I'm not arguing with the findings, and I can see how the major contributor to the disaster was the police, but I'd just like someone to explain it to me without being abusive. That was a myth about the ticketless supporters as was proven by Lord justice Taylor I not having a go at you cheadle but that has been pointed out on numerous occasions but those who didn't want to hear it still chose to go with it Cheers. I didn't realise it had been pointed out so often, sorry. To be honest most of what I know/thought I knew was from this message board and I've obviously been quite ignorant to the details. I'm still unsure as to how there happened to be such a crush if all fans were with tickets, maybe because they were put into the same area of their allocation rather than spread. I should probably have a proper read about it when I find time. Thanks again, Werrington. |
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Post by outspaced on Apr 26, 2016 11:32:20 GMT
Those of us who attended football matches in the 80's know all to well how the Police treated us. Randomly picked out and arrested for doing nothing, pushed around, shoved and sworn at. Stoke fans dragged out of Bramhall Lane for throwing Oatcakes on to the pitch as the the teams ran out.
We were on the same level as criminals.
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