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Post by oggyoggy on May 6, 2024 19:11:41 GMT
Braverman is one of the group of plotters trying to overthrow the PM. I’d rather never hear from her or the likes of her again. But she could have made headlines. She is irrelevant to the majority of the electorate. Following the council elections there was plenty of possible guests. It's a machine designed to suck itself off and the LK show is a part of it's machinery. I'm not surprised democracy is dying on its arse. Do you think this tripe appeals to young voters, or anyone? Yes, all good points with which I agree. The BBC, like every other media outlet, wants a so called rebel to rebel. That’s why they got her in.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 6, 2024 18:44:00 GMT
Nobody watching that can have possibly thought anything other than Braverman is an absolute lunatic though. I don't disagree but why did she choose her to come on and then let her spout?. Tommy Robinson, Nick Griffin or Jeremy Corbyn can't get a gig. Braverman is one of the group of plotters trying to overthrow the PM. I’d rather never hear from her or the likes of her again. But she could have made headlines.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 6, 2024 18:35:24 GMT
How can the BBC go into a General Election with a Political Editor that blatantly displays such bias? If you didn't know who she was, you'd think she was a spokesperson for the Tory party, she doesn't even try to hide it anymore ... I'm still trying to fathom why she invited the irrelevant Cruella onto Sunday's show just to launch into an insane tirade. Nobody watching that can have possibly thought anything other than Braverman is an absolute lunatic though.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 6, 2024 17:09:54 GMT
😂 doubtful. Starmer has been pathetically weak when it comes to Gaza. No more so than most.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 6, 2024 11:31:09 GMT
And it will set a record. Records without context are not that impressive. If the Tories were somewhat competent and Starmer were to win big based on his ability to engage with the public, then fair enough. If people are simply voting Labour through lack of choice while Tory voters stay home, then that’s not really anything to brag about. Biden received a record voter turnout. It had little to do with him though. I agree. The context was that on 13 December 2019 we were facing a decade or so of Tory governance with Johnson in power with a big majority. I agree Starmer isn’t hugely popular or doing an awful lot, but he doesn’t have to. Play the hand you are dealt. And he has done so well so far. He has skilfully turned the Labour party into something inoffensive and no longer devisive. That is despite endless attacks by the press and tories to undermine him. Obvious Corbyn fans will be unhappy about that but that’s what it took. Labour isn’t popular, but it is electable. Corbyn wasn’t electable but had very loyal followers who loved him, but not enough to win, and general elections are entirely about winning. With first past the post, you need to be electable, not necessarily popular. Like Blair, not like Miliband, like Cameron, not like corbyn.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 6, 2024 9:17:20 GMT
I think there’s a very good Championship player and potentially even a relegation battling Prem player in him with the right guidance and support.
Good luck to him. He is going to bag a goal every time he plays us, isn’t he.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 6, 2024 9:11:25 GMT
No shops on it A bit of a let down Was hoping you could see the fish and stuff under the water like on of those fancy , glass aquariums. There are “magic glasses” for that. It is aimed at kids.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 6, 2024 6:48:22 GMT
Good at first but now long queues, high fares and dropped destinations. Still brilliant.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 5, 2024 21:32:57 GMT
He is yet to make an election promise. His manifesto isn’t out yet. No party will have ever achieved anything close to what labour will have done if they win a majority, and that is under Starmer’s leadership. Binface could be in charge and they would win. All Starmer has to do is not implode. No sex offences against children and he is set. Labour winning has very little to do with Labour being good enough. And it will set a record.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 5, 2024 20:11:08 GMT
It would take the biggest swing of all time for Labour to win any majority, let alone a massive one. I predict a small majority which would be a monumental win for Labour given where we were the days after the 2019 election. Completely unforeseeable. Everyone was saying a a decade of Johnson government! Labour and Starmer may not be super popular, but they are obviously doing something right. They won’t win a majority if they only get the same voters as at the last election. The downfall of the SNP, the way the Lib-Dems are performing, and the Reform Party will be the only reasons Labour get a majority. Many traditional Labour members (me included) resigned from the party after Starmer & Co stabbed Corbyn in the back. The way Starmer is going and the way he's defaulted on most of his election promises, including not raising taxes for the rich, plus the fact that the Tories will leave Labour footing the bill for billions over the blood scandal could mean 5 more years of austerity and massive cuts to public services. The only thing he's got going for him is that his Labour party isn't a right-wing Tory one. OS. He is yet to make an election promise. His manifesto isn’t out yet. No party will have ever achieved anything close to what labour will have done if they win a majority, and that is under Starmer’s leadership.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 5, 2024 20:01:47 GMT
And incredibly stupid with it And yet there are those in the Tory Party who think she should be PM. Unbelievable. People elected Boris Johnson!
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Post by oggyoggy on May 5, 2024 16:34:09 GMT
What relevance does that have to this thread mate? This is what you're welcoming in Who on this board has welcomed that in?
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Post by oggyoggy on May 5, 2024 8:03:41 GMT
Achieving a record breaking swing would be the least impressive election win of all time? Please explain why. Its probably going to be the lowest turnout in living memory. Traditional Tory voters, like myself, feel so disappointed with our party that we cant vote for them, but could never do the unthinkable and vote Labour. Whereas traditional Labour voters will vote for their party, not because of Wishy Washy, or because of their policies ( if they actually announce any...) but because they are desperate to get rid of the Tories. The Labour vote will grow Percenrage wise, but in terms of actual ticks in boxes will be pretty much the same as last time.. I am seriously considering voting Reform, but it depends on who stands here in Mid Staffs, and if others do the same this will hand power to Captain Indecisive.. I guess we will have to see.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 5, 2024 4:44:10 GMT
In case you need another reason never to vote Tory, here is a monumental one: www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/04/spending-cuts-are-often-false-economies-that-end-up-costing-society-dearlyI know every violent crime is now considered Sadiq Khan’s fault from the neanderthals who still support this appalling party, but the Tory policy of austerity has utterly destroyed our economy: Institute for fiscal studies found that violent crime increased by 11% in neighbourhoods where police stations were closed (70% were closed). They found that for each pound “saved”, it raised costs faced by society by £3. By then I guess some tory donor got to buy up lots of prime real estate on the cheap when the police stations were sold. For those idiots who still want to see benefits cut, freezing housing support in line with 2019 rent levels, even as rents soared, drove homelessness to record highs (145,800 children are now in temporary accommodation) leaving some, already stretched, councils seeing their temporary accommodation spend rise by nearly 40% last year. I guess it meant the tories could keep open the tax breaks for their rich friends and family. Not funding social care has meant hospitals cannot get rid of long term patients taking up beds and resources at a high cost to the taxpayer. Voting Tory means you support the above, and the further 13% cuts to some government departments (NHS and schools perhaps?) their spending plans require!
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Post by oggyoggy on May 5, 2024 4:34:06 GMT
The hysterical thing is that this scheme, which Sunak was against as Chancellor, is supposed to save Sunak. You’d have to be as thick as Lee Anderson to think this policy is going to do anything but harm harm the tories. Record daily arrivals on small boats have continued since it became law….some deterrent!
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Post by oggyoggy on May 5, 2024 4:29:41 GMT
I head the new mayor’s victory speech and Street’s departing speech. I felt that almost every single politician could learn a thing or two about the two candidates in the way they respected each other yet disagreed. None of the bitterness of Susan Hall in London, instead it genuinely came across that they both support one another in getting the best for their region. They seemed genuinely to prioritise their electorate over party politics.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 4, 2024 21:41:07 GMT
London deserves all it gets.. only trouble is what happens in London tends to spread everywhere else eventually. So it deserves to be the most affluent part of the country with the most jobs and opportunities for its residents?
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Post by oggyoggy on May 4, 2024 21:09:18 GMT
If that happens it will be the most impressive general election win of all time. Or least impressive, depending how you view it. Achieving a record breaking swing would be the least impressive election win of all time? Please explain why.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 4, 2024 20:13:53 GMT
It would take the biggest swing of all time for Labour to win any majority, let alone a massive one. I predict a small majority which would be a monumental win for Labour given where we were the days after the 2019 election. Completely unforeseeable. Everyone was saying a a decade of Johnson government! Labour and Starmer may not be super popular, but they are obviously doing something right. They won’t win a majority if they only get the same voters as at the last election. Yes they will if they get the same voters as last time. Tories will stay away or vote Reform. I predict min 80 seat majority, and some huge Tory casualties, even Rishi is not safe If that happens it will be the most impressive general election win of all time.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 4, 2024 19:42:42 GMT
Bias corbyn post coming in. I think one huge difference maker which nobody discusses when it comes to comparing Corbyn and Starmer is the Reform/UKIP effect. - In 2015 & 2016 Local Elections Farages UKIP took 13% and 12% of vote. - In 2015 GE under Farage, UKIP contested nearly every seat and took 12.8% of the vote. - In 2017 GE Farage wasn't leader, they contested nearly half the seats and took 1.8% of the vote. - In 2019 GE Reform/UKIP contested around 70 less seats than 2017 and took 2.1% of the vote. - From 2017 to 2019 Ukip took 5%, 1.4%, 4% of vote - Now all of a sudden Reform are polling at 15% for the next General Election. Basically pre Corbyn years there was a right wing alternative contesting most seats and taking 12%-13% of the vote share. Then during the corbyn years they contested significantly less seats not splting the vote and always taking less than 5%. Now Starmers about to face his first GE and Reform are polling at 15% with intent to contest most seats. Had there been a viable right wing alternative with ambition to contest seats and campaign then Corbyn would have performed much better at Elections. Fair points. But Labour just hammered the Tories in these elections, and Reform/Ukip/Brexit Party were almost nowhere to be seen.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 4, 2024 19:12:43 GMT
Sad state of affairs is that Captain Wishy Washy will win not because of his policies, or his appeal to the electorate, but because it is very much an anti Tory election. And rank and file Tories wont necessarily vote for Labour, but will stay away. Couple that with a diluted Tory vote due to reform and there is only one outcome. HUGE...And I mean fookin mahooooosive Labour majority, and history has told us a huge majority is never a good thing. It would take the biggest swing of all time for Labour to win any majority, let alone a massive one. I predict a small majority which would be a monumental win for Labour given where we were the days after the 2019 election. Completely unforeseeable. Everyone was saying a a decade of Johnson government! Labour and Starmer may not be super popular, but they are obviously doing something right. They won’t win a majority if they only get the same voters as at the last election.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 4, 2024 19:09:35 GMT
West Midlands is Labour. A very good set of results for Labour and Starmer.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 4, 2024 17:25:28 GMT
Susan Hall is a very sore loser! I don’t get why the Tories thought she’d get them votes. She’s a dinosaur with little charisma which is a real vote winner. They’ll have to up their game next time with someone younger and more in tune with what the majority of Londoners want. They have a history of terrible mayoral candidates: Susan Hall, Shaun Bailey, Zack Goldsmith, Boris Johnson. An absolute shambles.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 4, 2024 16:54:51 GMT
Susan Hall is a very sore loser!
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Post by oggyoggy on May 4, 2024 16:39:55 GMT
Seems to be alot of people predicting a tory win in london mayor election now. And they were very much wrong too. Well done Khan: Seems tories change from STV to FPTP hasn't really benefited them. Count Binface beat Britain First.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 4, 2024 16:38:00 GMT
Even better, Count Binface beat the Britain First candidate. London is great.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 4, 2024 16:36:52 GMT
Rumours of Sadiq Khan's demise were greatly exaggerated - Mark Twain He smashed it. And great to see the lib dems win the south west London assembly seat, where the incumbent Tories were also beaten by Labour.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 3, 2024 22:10:21 GMT
Sorry for disagreeing Oggy - I hope my views don't offend and appreciate your replies. Don’t apologise for disagreeing! Life would be so dull if we all agreed.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 3, 2024 20:33:11 GMT
It would be an all time record swing for Starmer to win a majority. Arguably it would be the most impressive election result of any party ever to do it. It is a nonsense as FPTP means everyone goes back to labour or tory. You were taking the piss oggy right? Especially following it up with this subsequent post. Or were you being serious? Taking the piss about what? In 2019 the tories got 365 seats to labour’s 202. It would be a monumental turnaround for Labour to win a majority. A record swing: www.reuters.com/world/uk/britains-labour-would-need-record-vote-swing-win-majority-research-shows-2024-01-16/Other (including Greens) won’t get a quarter of the votes at the GE I doubt. At the 2019 GE, Tory, Labour and lib dems got 87.3% of votes.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 3, 2024 20:09:48 GMT
So labour being up (currently) 132 seats, and the tories down by 195, with potentially fewer overall counsellors than the lib dems of those up for election, in other words, the tories may finish third overall, and Labour winning one of the most brexity constituencies in a byelection is not a good night for Labour!?!? Corbyn would have snapped your hand off for success like that! Labour have gained, so far, 8 councils, 4 from the tories and 4 from NOC. Yet people don’t apparently don’t like them and aren’t voting for them!?!? In comparison to forecasts it's not been a great election in my opinion. Here is one I posted yesterday: Labour were predicted to win 273 seats. At the time of writing 99/107 councils are complete they've won 169. Labour - +20% councillors Lib Dem - +24% councillors Independent - +67% Green - +71% Residents Association - +31% Workers Party - Infinity% Reform - Infinity% Out of all the parties to benefit from the tories downfall, they've seen the lowest percentage increase. Considering the tories have lost 432 seats. You'd have expected labour to gain more than 169 as predicted. Some other predictions from political commentators in build up where even more optimistic for labour: Interesting predictions. Wildly optimistic for Labour! They have still had very good results.
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