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Post by cousindupree on Sept 25, 2019 18:11:40 GMT
I genuinely thought he was the wrong appointment for where we were. Our objective was for a quick promotion with a team full of premier league players, sky money and one of the richest owners in the championship. Yet no inexperienced manager at Jones's level has ever achieved promotion from the champs in decades. He has no experience whatsoever of managing premier league players or even championship players. They are a completely different animal to Div 1 or 2 players.
I had some patience and intrigued to see what he could do in the transfer window. The result was absolutely fuck all. I thought he would bring in a couple of players of real potential from his beloved Luton...he signed no-one from his former club! He knew League 1 very well yet his signings from there were Davies and Lindsay...Davies I could have picked from the Div 1 team of the season myself and Lindsay for 2m and was available.....and that's it.
The rest of the recruits in the summer were an absolute shambles not all his fault, but question what he saw in Cousins when other DM were available....Sawyers and Bielik
His aversion against foreign players will have to change if he has any ambition left to be a top manager...they are an integral part of a successful side in modern football. Also he needs to learn how to use the loan market....Hogan Duffy and Carter-Vickers look like pointless loanees.
So to give him another transfer window would be catastrophic even after he brought in his buddy recruitment guy.
Basically no knowledge or experience above div 1 level and the board thought he was the man to get us promotion....jesus wept these guys run a multi million dollar business!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 25, 2019 6:15:38 GMT
When everyone has finished laying into the board about Jones’ appointment perhaps they will take a moment to reflect how many people on this message board thought this was the greatest decision of all time. He is ‘young and up and coming’ , not another ‘dinosaur’ , he’s so ‘passionate ‘ etc etc etc. Cliche after cliche. But the fact remains all those people were taken in in just the same way as the owners of this club presumably were. I thought at the time it was the wrong appointment for where we were, recently relegated lots of sky dosh and a belief we could get back up quickly. Jones was way too inexperienced to achieve this. No manager with his limited experience has been promoted from the championship. The board shat their pants after Hughes debacle at Coventry and made probably the worst decision they have ever made (and thats saying something) by firing Hughes without a cast iron replacement lined up. No matter how incompetent the board are they won't make that mistake again. So I don't see any immediate firing. This season has already gone! All that's left is a fight to survive and we may as well stick rather than twist. Worryingly though, Jones has shown zero competence in anything he does apart from the PR spin. His tactics are muddled and confusing, his team selection random and his summer transfers were absolutely abysmal...if he stays it doesn't bode well for the future unless somehow he learns fast or the club bring in a DOF to support and guide him. |
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 24, 2019 18:24:14 GMT
The creativity rests on the shoulders of Woods and Cousins....Christ on a bike!
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 23, 2019 7:35:45 GMT
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 22, 2019 9:30:18 GMT
We knew from last year that Jones can engineer 0-0 draws and yesterday seems like a carbon copy of some of those games. So he can organise a defensive unit but it's the most easiest aspect of coaching to do. Lambert did it, Rowett did it and most lower league managers can do it. The real coaching skill is to be solid defensively and attack dynamically and score. It's pretty cleat that Jones can't do that at this level.
He's now had loads of time with the squad, brought in his new players and drilled them in a pre-season. we haven't progressed a single degree. The results are likely to follow a similar pattern to the second half of last season but for a whole season and that will mean only one thing....relegation.
I have been in the 'too good to go down' but I am slowly coming to the nightmare scenario that unless something radical changes we will be down.
The only radical change to turn this around is a new manager because continuing like this with just 2 points from 8 games....well do the math.
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 22, 2019 7:37:12 GMT
Winner Winner...Steak and Chips Dinner... I just managed back to back wins and shot up the league! Maybe I can inspire the boys in red and white to do the same. 3 on the spin? Why not I am on a roll!  |
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 20, 2019 19:06:03 GMT
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 19, 2019 11:53:30 GMT
Changing domestic football to accommodate the obscene fashion show that is the Champions League is when I'll probably check out of none Stoke related football completely. I am absolutely with you Sheikhy. We will see more changes ahead to reduce the number of fixtures the elite teams have to play, slowly but surely this will happen and slowly but surely my love for the game ebbs away  |
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 19, 2019 8:29:33 GMT
Wow that's awful news! I have laughed off the notion that the club is cursed..... but maybe Coates should be looking for an exorcist rather than anew manager |
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 17, 2019 18:45:14 GMT
He signed McClean and Ince enough said. And Afobe... Indeed any manager who thinks Ince Afobe Mcclean is the answer to a front 3 in a 4-3-3 needs sectioning. In addition to that car crash he was, and still is an absolute arsehole who thinks he is better than he is. A complete dumb ass for turning on fans favourite players and fans themselves otherwise it's likely he would still be in a job. Let's see where he ends up. |
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 17, 2019 18:20:36 GMT
Quite a few posters bigging up Brentford. Apart from the Derby performance the rest of their results haven't been impressive at all. Bizarrely they have scored less goals than us...5 and 3 came against Derby and they have drawn a blank 4 games out of 7. Struggling to score without Maupay so if we can get our shit together defensively than could be 0-0 and Jones gets credit in the bank.
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 15, 2019 0:35:12 GMT
Given we are owned by bookies, surely they should see this and at the very least play the odds to avoid this? If they looking at the odds, they would have looked at which managers/DOFs are getting teams up and would have recognised that they come with three sorts of experience. 1) An intimate understanding of their own players and what makes them tick, from having got them promoted from L1: Howe and Wilder 2) An intimate knowledge of what it takes to get a team promoted before from this league: Hughton, Warnock, Bruce. Jokanavic, Dyke 3) A good knowledge of elite performance gained from having a senior footballing position in a top/wealthy/successful club or international set up: Farke/Webber, Wagner, Gil (Villa DOF), Espirito Santo, Benitez, Karanka. In the last 5 seasons, the one exception has been Alex Neil at Norwich (15/16). They would have then examined the odds of plucking a L1 manager - with no experience in the Championship or of a league of similar or better standard - and doing well in the Champs. Recent examples of where boards have done this are relatively rarer than you might expect: I might have missed a couple, but these are the ones i found since about 2012. - Paul Hurst at Ipswich (17/18) got them relegated.
- Paul Trollope at Cardiff in May 2016 who was sacked after winning 2 in 12 at Cardiff.
- Lee Johnson is the best success story, taking over relegation threatened Bristol City from Barnsley in Feb 2016 and overseeing an admirable evolution ever since.
- Warren Joyce took over Wigan in Nov 16 after coaching in Belgium and was sacked after winning 6 in 24.
- Dean Smith got the Brentford job in Nov 15 after being at Walsall and did what was seen as a good job there to build a mid table team - though, at a similar time as they appointed a sports science company owner, Phil Giles and bought about 10 new players, so questionable who drove this success!?.
- Gary Caldwell took over Wigan in 2015 with no past experience, when they were 23rd in April and took them down.
- Kit Symons took over ambitious Fulham on the back of caretaker roles at Palace and Colchester (and 9 games at Fulham), and was sacked 13mths later having won 22 and lost 25, with Fulham 12th.
- David Hockaday took over Leeds in June 2014 on the back of success at Forest Green and was sacked after 6 games.
- Russel Slade did okay with Cardiff after taking over in 2014 - getting them to 2 mid table finishes after taking over from L2 Orient, but which wasn't deemed good enough.
- Neil Redfearn took over Leeds after being Academy Head, and was sacked after 11 wins and 15 defeats in 33 with the owner calling him "weak" and a "baby" over handling of the squad.
- Paul Dickov took over newly prompted Doncaster, having managed Oldham in L1. They survived for a year with the promotion team and were then relegated and he was sacked.
- Lee Clarke took over Birmingham in 2012 after managing L1 Huddersfield and getting them into the PO finals twice - He did okayish for a year and then sacked with Birmingham 21st. He had another stab at Blackpool in the Champs, where he achieved a 9% win ratio in 33 games and was sacked again (Sound familiar?).
Not all abject failures, but failure is rarer than success, and there is barely a sniff of promotion in all this - So, if you were the board of a Champs side aspiring for promotion, what would you conclude about the odds for Jones succeeding with promotion? I genuinely thought it was an odd choice to hire Jones if our ambition was a quick promotion. In terms of an inexperienced manager like Jones getting promotion from this league quickly is just about unprecedented. Only Eddie Howe springs to mind and even he although young had more experience than Jones. As your analysis above shows a hugely inexperienced manager just doesn't get you out of this division. I think Jones is a good number of years away in terms of having enough experience to get a team promoted from this division. Maybe the board backing him are in it for the long haul which could well be 5 years away under Jones. That's if he actually manages to keep the team in this league. |
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 14, 2019 19:47:10 GMT
6 Although I didn't like the starting line up even with 10 men we played OK nothing great but not a bottom of the table performance. Don't like just one striker, don't like Ince in such a pivotal position and don't get me started on McClean at LWB!
His subs were ok so no complaints.
Not sure Allen sending off was that pivotal we would have still conceded the 2 goals through appalling defending.
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 14, 2019 13:37:35 GMT
Etebo dropped for a bloke who doesn't want to play for us... Let's see how that turns out. Etebo has been in Nigeria. He didn't return to training until yesterday. I get we are shit. I get that Jones is rightly being questioned but can we please stop making mountains out of molehills about absolutely everything. It really is tiresome. It's a fair point but he was actually playing in Ukraine and it was tuesday and could have flown back from there to the UK, not sure why he doesn't return until friday. But hey IJWT |
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 14, 2019 13:20:20 GMT
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 14, 2019 13:12:42 GMT
Hi cousindupree Are you hoping for a HiNathan Divorce? Robins. That's actually very good. Only what I would expect from someone who knows the Dan |
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 14, 2019 8:25:36 GMT
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 14, 2019 8:24:56 GMT
I am hoping with everything crossed that Nath can get back to what he does best and what he was doing successfully last season and that's getting draws.
Cheers Nath loving the journey. IJWT...yeah right.
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 11, 2019 13:08:07 GMT
I am all for improving our scouting if that is the plan with this appointment. Lord knows our recruitment from scouting to signing players has not been fit for purpose ever. The concern for me is that it is a Jones recommendation and based on Jones summer recruitment I suggest Jones strategy so far has been to simply take a look at the players released lists and go down the list with a pin. Or in the case of the woeful Cousins recruit a player you worked with 4/5 years ago. We have mega rich owners who could afford to hire the best if only we could be arsed to look. Instead we once again go for a lazy option and back the manager's recommendation. Is Chapple the best we could hire? According to Houghton Brighton recruited poorly and this guy appears to have been a European Scout for the last 3 years. Bizarre that Jones doesn't recruit foreign only British yet he wants a scout who presumably has had his eyes turned towards Europe not UK for the last 3 years....smart move SCFC |
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 10, 2019 12:52:38 GMT
Anyone get a stream for this? In Dublin and unless it's on in a pub somewhere, can't access itv player or sky from here so a stream would be great! You have to be careful in bars in places like Dublin and Glasgow to ask to watch any sport featuring England. Your best bet is to brush up on a bit of Albanian or Serbian and use it to appear Kosovarian and ask the guy behind the bar to put it on the tv. Remember to look increasingly glum as the England goals rain in |
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 9, 2019 12:18:24 GMT
The title of the poll is who YOU would you go for as the next manager - not who would Peter Coates go for as the next manager. I think you are right in that if Peter Coates takes charge of the decision we will end up with some boring British has been - and a lot of posters will be happy to return to their xenophobic unimaginative comfort blanket. Jones was a gamble - but at least it showed some bravery and imaginition. Lots of posters were delighted at the appointment but at the first signs of trouble have crapped themselves and joined forces with goat slaughters alliance and dinosaur lovers who never got over the removal of Tony Pulis. My preference is to stick with Jones - even it means relegation. It was a gamble and for me it's too early to cash in - if you are going to gamble at least have the balls to see it out. Any new manager has the same players to work with so they have the same issues as Jones in turning what we have into an effective team. If Jones does go my preference is for a foreign manager. It's no coincidence we've that we've gone downhill with a series of British managers. For one thing going British artificially restricts the gene pool you're fishing in and secondly there are far more gifted, better trained managers overseas - British managers are on the whole a bit crap compared to their overseas counterparts. You can be xenophobic and accept mediocrity or you reject xenophobia and open up your horizons. If Stoke-on-Trent nails it's mast to Project Little Britain it will get what it deserves - dull grey monotonous mediocrity. Christ on a bike! You are slating Coates and fans for Xenophobia! And yet you are obviously a big fan of Jones who is probably our most Xenophobic manager to date. He has stated he wants British only players, fucked off all the foreigners bar one (even Verlinden), his first xi includes just one foreigner, Etebo, and non of his 12 recruits were from overseas. Perhaps you should be calling for Jones to broaden his horizons, most managers at this level will look at overseas recruitment and it works if done properly |
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 9, 2019 7:41:49 GMT
Jeez I am sick of hearing about what a great job you did at Luton Nathan. It was Luton Div 2 promotion well done lad. Maybe you should go back there and take them all the way to the Champions league.....Christ he is beginning to piss me off. Get on with the job here of actually winning a few games.
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 7, 2019 8:40:36 GMT
Yes its FA Cup day and games at
Northwich
Kidsgrove
Nantwich
and a little further afield Whitchurch v Leek Town.
Anyone going to a game? If you haven't watched at this level then give it a go, you will be surprised and it's a damn sight better than going shopping with the missus
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 5, 2019 6:29:03 GMT
352 with Badou and Etebo behind Powell in the middle could be just what we need. How good does this look? Seriously, that is a top six side and one which really should, if allowed to gel, see us charging up the table: Butland Collins Carter Vickers Martins Indi Edwards Badou Powell Etebo Clucas Gregory Campbell Hardly any goals in that team, Gregory is 10 max a season and Campbell who knows but we need a 15+ player in their somewhere and we don't have one. Most of the creativity has to come from Powell and who knows how many games he will play. Etebo and Badou are not creative. In fact Etebo in his Stoke career so far has 2 goals and 2 assists in 38 games! Sadly the team is light years from top 6 |
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 4, 2019 18:28:07 GMT
Tut tut Chris, you forgot Whitchurch Alport v Leek Town....tie of the round  I hadn't forgot it's just not the immediate Stoke area. I was actually looking at the WAFC facebook page earlier, they are asking for volunteers to give the place a spruce up. Maybe if local lass Christina Trevanion went along, there may be a few more men along to help. Good luck for Saturday, it'll be a tough game. Also noted you get a mention on Didcot Town's website, strange link I know. I used to live near there years ago and keep an eye out for them. www.pitchero.com/clubs/didcottownI guess Whitchurch to Stoke is a bit of a stretch (26 mls) although there has always been a solid hard core Potters support in the town mingled of course with the usual glory hunting Manure and Liverpool fans. It will be very a very tough game so not expecting much, but maybe if Ms Trevanion turned up it might inspire them |
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 4, 2019 12:05:34 GMT
Last Night Newcastle Town 1 - 2 Kidsgrove Athletic This Saturday @ 3PM sees Kidsgrove v Cleethorpes Town for those wanting a football fix whilst it's international weekend Stafford Rangers v Mickleover Sports Nantwich Town v Grantham town Tut tut Chris, you forgot Whitchurch Alport v Leek Town....tie of the round |
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 3, 2019 18:43:15 GMT
Davies - ???
Who?
Batth - 4
A solid mediocre championship defender with poor distribution
Lyndsey - 4
Often looks like he has a mistake or two in him. But he's young and maybe with Jones's genius coaching he might improve or he may turn into Steven Tweed.
Ward - 2
A bit of an insult to Erik Pieters that basically we swapped him for Ward. Thought when he signed he was looking for a final payday and nothing since has changed my mind. That wing backs are crucial to Jones's formation, Ward was the only option in the whole of Europe we could come up with. Man Alive!
Smith - 4
Came with a big reputation but disappointing so far, at least we have two capable right backs
Cousins - 0
Another one of Jones's little projects sees an attempt to turn him into the next Kante. Classic case of not having scouted the player and allowing Jones to sign him on a whim because he workd with him a few years ago. He will be playing league 2 next season....nice one Jonesy
Duffy - 3
Think he is still sulking about not being part of a Prem squad doesn't look like he wants to be here and was signed because our key signing Powell clearly isn't going to play many games
Gregory - 6
A likeable hard worker with a bit about him. He will never in a million years score more than 10 goals, so for a team that lacks goals not really the answer
Hogan - 3
Signed on a hope that he would recreate his Brentford form of 2 years ago, great idea! Does have an eye for goal so a glimmer of hope
Powell - ???
Well as a freebie it was worth a punt, but will spend more time on the physio's couch than on the pitch which is a shame.
Vokes - 3
Showed little of his Burnley form and his career seems to be on the wane. Another signing who will soon move on for a fraction of the price we paid for him.
Conclusion....if these are the examples of Jones's choice of players, then his scouting is as shit as his coaching and his game management.
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 3, 2019 10:03:13 GMT
People are missing the point with a move to Bolton. He is going into a team -11 pts and player morale at rock bottom. It's the equivalent of football purgatory. In what way will it be good for him. Surely there was other options but no doubt we couldn't be arsed to check.
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 2, 2019 20:34:26 GMT
Why do you have to drop down a league to rebuild? Can't you do it from bottom half champs with the right manager.
We drop down spend a year out of champs get promoted and we are back where we were.....its total bollox
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 2, 2019 14:21:23 GMT
The more I think about this move the more bizarre it is. Bolton haven't got a bean to spend so I can only assume we are paying virtually all his wages. If that's the case based on the fact it wouldn't cost very much for any Div 1 club to loan him, is this really the best option we could find?
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