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Post by mermaidsal on Sept 14, 2019 17:11:53 GMT
Why the **** is this doofus still here? I don't care that we played better (which imo we did). A manager has to 1) stop the other team beating us and then 2) beat the other team. Nathan demonstrably cannot do these two basic things at this level with these players. End of. Maybe he's just unlucky for us and deserves better luck but I don't care about that either. Having a spineless deputy chairman who doesn't know how to find the big wave let alone surf it just compounds this whole trainwreck.
JONES OUT
4* for today - as I say there genuinely were good things. But that's just no longer the point
add * if you were there please
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Post by Veritas on Sept 14, 2019 17:40:39 GMT
8*
Well balanced team selection, team clearly up for the fight, great performance from Badou, right subs at the right time. Undone by a poor challenge from Allen, dire ref and individual errors for the goals.
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Post by loosestools on Sept 14, 2019 17:42:29 GMT
Same pattern of a game generally, difficult to give a judgement when playing with 10 for so long, same old mistakes though. So - 5 as at least the players he chose did put a shift in. *
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 14, 2019 17:43:05 GMT
P45 out of 10.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 14, 2019 17:43:18 GMT
2
2 marks for the way we started the game. But picking Allen is always asking for trouble
But my main gripes:-
1. He didn't change the team until we were 2-1 down i.e. Too Late!!!!
2. We were worse after his team talk at half time?
Second half was one of the most toothless performance I have seen at Stoke. No fight or strategy and had Relegation and Resignation written all over it.
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Post by Veritas on Sept 14, 2019 17:49:34 GMT
2 2 marks for the way we started the game. But picking Allen is always asking for trouble But my main gripes:- 1. He didn't change the team until we were 2-1 down i.e. Too Late!!!! 2. We were worse after his team talk at half time? Second half was one of the most toothless performance I have seen at Stoke. No fight or strategy and had Relegation and Resignation written all over it. Toothless second half performance? Either you weren't there or are just thick.
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Post by jeycov on Sept 14, 2019 17:56:57 GMT
Should have selected a central defender to take the arm band
I do believe we would have won with 11 players for 90 minutes
He needs to start most of these players in our next game imo
* 6
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Post by mrcholmondleywarner on Sept 14, 2019 17:58:30 GMT
9*
We were pissing on them until the dwarf cunt in the blue top fucked it up.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 14, 2019 18:13:08 GMT
7, Not happy Allen started but we played well for the first 10 and didn't lack effort for the rest of it, plenty have moaned and moaned about Clucas but he keeps showing why he should be starting and credit to Jones for getting Ndiaye on side and playing well too.
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Post by Miles Offside on Sept 14, 2019 18:16:29 GMT
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Post by redsaturday on Sept 14, 2019 18:28:33 GMT
5* Losses a point for picking butland Losses point for picking Allen Losses point for making Allen Captain Losses a point for not taking off Tom ince at half time Losses a point for losing
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 18:29:09 GMT
8* for me
Don't think he did much wrong really, I would've bought Etebo on for Ince 10 minutes earlier.
Thought he set them up really well.
Hard to judge really but I thought the game plan, in general, was a good one.
I advocated for sacking early on last season but I'm in the reluctant, stick with him camp now.
Today would've been a win against a really poor side, I'm sure of that.
But here we are again having lost another gae - it's continuously one reason or another to excuse defeats...
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 14, 2019 18:30:24 GMT
It doesn't matter if we're 10 or 11 players out there, we still concede at least 2 goals every game!
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 14, 2019 19:47:10 GMT
6 Although I didn't like the starting line up even with 10 men we played OK nothing great but not a bottom of the table performance. Don't like just one striker, don't like Ince in such a pivotal position and don't get me started on McClean at LWB! His subs were ok so no complaints. Not sure Allen sending off was that pivotal we would have still conceded the 2 goals through appalling defending.
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Post by claytonscrubs on Sept 14, 2019 19:49:41 GMT
I genuinely feel sorry for Jones, he’s had no luck whatsoever... I’d give him until the end of October to see if he can turn things around. Having said that, if he was sacked in the meantime, I’d have no complaints.
5* ... I must be going soft.
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Post by mattyd on Sept 14, 2019 19:51:49 GMT
The same as our point tally today ...ZERO.
It's all about points.
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Post by madeleyite on Sept 14, 2019 19:56:23 GMT
Can't blame him for Allen. Still, he'll be gone on Monday. Lucky for him he'll miss Luton at home and away!
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Sept 14, 2019 19:57:10 GMT
5* If he's still here for the next game, drop Ince for Campbell play Gregory in Ince's position, Play Etebo for the suspended Allen and get the full backs to stop easy crosses going in and defend the far post! Gouranga.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 19:58:11 GMT
8* Did everything possible (including the right subs) to get something out of the game.
11 v 11 we would have won, I’m certain of that.
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Post by werrington on Sept 14, 2019 20:01:49 GMT
8* Did everything possible (including the right subs) to get something out of the game. 11 v 11 we would have won, I’m certain of that. We’ve had 11 v 11 in every game so far this season Wake up and smell the coffee lad 2*
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Post by serpico on Sept 14, 2019 20:02:11 GMT
Hard to properly judge him after the sending off, pretty much f-ed us, didn't it ?
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Post by royalewithcheese on Sept 14, 2019 20:03:11 GMT
I said the same on the team news thread before the game.
The starting line up just made no sense.
5 changes again (which seems the norm for Nath now).
Etebo (probably our best player) dropped. Allen (who has been garbage all season) picked (and captain to boot!!). The decidedly average Lindsay picked over our only gem, Collins (who didn't even make the bench).
Woods nowhere to be seen again (hes just disappeared after showing a bit of form in his short stint).
Can anybody track his train of thought, ever?
We got off to the perfect start but then one of the managers mistakes bit him on the arse. I blame Allen but I also blame the manager for picking him in the first place.
If I was Joe Allen I'd be feeling absolutely fucking dreadful right now. Stoke City Football Club is paying him millions and all he has contributed this season is dreadful performances, two open goal misses which have cost us points, and now a red card which has cost even more points. He was supposed to be captain for f**k sake. The team is in an absolute mess and crying out for a result. You get your noses in front early doors and you're looking to your captain to steady the ship, organise the team and encourage them to secure the 3 points. Less than 10 minutes later he gets himself needlessly sent off! You'd be fu**king embarrassed picking up your 40 grand wages, wouldn't you?
Jones is the nicest guy in the world but he seems to be afraid of his own shadow. I wouldn't mind going out for a pint with him but I wouldn't trust him to manage anything that carried any level of pressure or expectation.
Hes completely out of his depth.
0.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 14, 2019 20:05:17 GMT
2 2 marks for the way we started the game. But picking Allen is always asking for trouble But my main gripes:- 1. He didn't change the team until we were 2-1 down i.e. Too Late!!!! 2. We were worse after his team talk at half time? Second half was one of the most toothless performance I have seen at Stoke. No fight or strategy and had Relegation and Resignation written all over it. Toothless second half performance? Either you weren't there or are just thick. Thanks for the insult. I watched the whole performance. The second half had relegation written all over it. Ineptitude on and off the field. The first half was decent. the second half was abysmal and frankly quite pathetic against an ordinary side. What do you think was the game-plan for the second half??? I don't think there was one. Can't organise a defence is the first of his many problems.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 20:22:53 GMT
8* Did everything possible (including the right subs) to get something out of the game. 11 v 11 we would have won, I’m certain of that. We’ve had 11 v 11 in every game so far this season Wake up and smell the coffee lad 2* No coffee needed, BCFC were poor. With 11 today we would have won, quite easily in my opinion. We’ve been really poor in most games this season, but actually did OK under the circumstances. Fortunately Allen will miss a few now, and Jones might stumble on a midfield of Etebo, Badou and Clucas, and I can see us starting to turn a corner.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Sept 14, 2019 20:29:33 GMT
Tired of other teams being poorer than us but we still lose. Its getting beyond a joke. Birmingham were poor but we lost QPR were poor but we lost. Charlton were poor but we lost. Same old story and its getting fucking boring
Cant see any change next week either
2* for 10 minutes of football.
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Post by tony1234 on Sept 14, 2019 20:30:23 GMT
0/10 The guy just can't "manage"
Moments of bad luck are repeatedly brought about because of bad game-management. Inviting pressure, playing out of form players, rotating people until everyone is dizzy, taking off the wrong players, failing to have plans to get back into games etc. He can't manage games - so we might start off okay in matches but its a matter of time before the opposing manager and team susses his tactics as the game wears on; we can't hold leads.
While his in-game management is really poor, his wider management of creating a best XI, and the even wider management job of transforming the squad has been even worse than that.
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Post by werrington on Sept 14, 2019 20:45:11 GMT
We’ve had 11 v 11 in every game so far this season Wake up and smell the coffee lad 2* No coffee needed, BCFC were poor. With 11 today we would have won, quite easily in my opinion. We’ve been really poor in most games this season, but actually did OK under the circumstances. Fortunately Allen will miss a few now, and Jones might stumble on a midfield of Etebo, Badou and Clucas, and I can see us starting to turn a corner. Derby QPR Charlton Birmingham etc etc were poor I’m not sure of your point
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Post by pavel on Sept 14, 2019 20:46:07 GMT
A big fat ZERO
5 changes again, different players, same shit tactics, negative team selection and lack of a player who could change a game. No pace, no organisation, no guile and no chance. Don’t let Allen’s sending off cloud the reality, it was another shit scared defensive team selection devoid of coherence and spark.
1 point out of 21, 3 wins since he came here, only at Stoke, a club deficient of direction at the top and with a 2nd rate senior management team could Jones still be here. At any ambitious, modern thinking and competent club he would have been shown the long ago. Rudderless from top to bottom.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 14, 2019 20:50:58 GMT
0,he will keep getting 0 if he keeps on picking that useless Cunt Allen.
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Post by datguy on Sept 14, 2019 20:51:28 GMT
8* Well balanced team selection, team clearly up for the fight, great performance from Badou, right subs at the right time. Undone by a poor challenge from Allen, dire ref and individual errors for the goals. Why is Joe Allen starting?
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