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Post by unknown182 on Sept 19, 2019 11:31:07 GMT
www.espn.co.uk/football/french-coupe-de-la-ligue/story/3945762/au-revoir!-french-football-ending-league-cup How long until one of our cups is gone to make room for the elite's champions league campaign? "The French football league says it's ending the League Cup competition after this season's edition. The decision comes as the European Club Association pushes for cuts in national fixture schedules to create more space for an expanded Champions League in 2024."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 11:39:52 GMT
Only really need one domestic cup and clearly it should be the FA cup.
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Post by Davef on Sept 19, 2019 11:45:54 GMT
The League Cup has been dominated by the top clubs over the last ten years anyway.
9 of the last eleven winners have ended the season with a Champions League place, so the allotted European place hasn't been taken. The same can be said for the FA Cup now that the European place for runners up has been removed.
I suppose the competition could carry on without the clubs who're playing in European football, but it will then lose its prestige even more.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 19, 2019 11:46:11 GMT
The League Cup is a weird one in as much that it's essentially become a reserve competition until the Semi-Finals. Can't even say the fans are that interested with the low attendances it generates.
If they did try to scrap it in this country I'd like to see the European spot it opens up go to a kind of staggered end of season one game playoff for clubs 6-11th (changeable depending on FA Cup winner) in the Premier League.
8th plays 11th Game A
9th plays 10th Game B
The winners of A and B then play 6th and 7th then the winners of those games square off for the final spot.
I definitely would spice up the Premier League mid-table which is quickly becoming very stale if you're knocked out of the FA Cup early on. They do something similar in the Netherlands and it works quite well. Additionally if one of those clubs can somehow win the Europa is opens them up to CL football. How this would work with any Champions League expansion is obviously going to be more complex.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 11:48:34 GMT
Rather than scrap the league cup, maybe a better idea would be to only make it open to clubs either a) in the EFL or b) not in European competition.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 19, 2019 11:48:53 GMT
Changing domestic football to accommodate the obscene fashion show that is the Champions League is when I'll probably check out of none Stoke related football completely.
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 19, 2019 11:53:30 GMT
Changing domestic football to accommodate the obscene fashion show that is the Champions League is when I'll probably check out of none Stoke related football completely. I am absolutely with you Sheikhy. We will see more changes ahead to reduce the number of fixtures the elite teams have to play, slowly but surely this will happen and slowly but surely my love for the game ebbs away  |
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 19, 2019 12:10:07 GMT
The top clubs are just totally of the 'want their cake and eat it' mentality.
They want more Champions League games but they also want to be dominating all domestic competitions.
In England, they couldn't even leave the EFL Trophy alone, they have to get their reserve teams involved and use it as a training ground.
They get byes for the first x amount of rounds of the League Cup so they only have to win 3 or 4 games to win the bloody thing, have been behind the idea of scrapping replays and extra time, don't give a shit what fans from lower leagues want from the game.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 19, 2019 12:12:40 GMT
Its all part of the same road where the glass ceiling eventually becomes a closed shop, just to ensure the usual snouts are in the usual troughs.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 19, 2019 13:06:28 GMT
Isn't the real death of the League Cup linked with clubs like us and lower putting reserve sides out in it?
It is a competiton that's on its arse imo and I only like watching the games because it usually does mean you're watching players you don't normally watch.
But that's not what it should be about. Something needs changing with it.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 19, 2019 13:15:32 GMT
Isn't the real death of the League Cup linked with clubs like us and lower putting reserve sides out in it? It is a competiton that's on its arse imo and I only like watching the games because it usually does mean you're watching players you don't normally watch. But that's not what it should be about. Something needs changing with it. TBH it's pretty much all clubs. Michael Flynn, Newport County manager urged fans not to travel to Gillingham in the League Cup because he'd prefer them at a league game and he'd be resting several starters: "No I'm not taking it seriously, there's no competition money in it and I've got to concentrate on what is actually important" If clubs like that can't get up for it, then it's become truly redundant IMO. It's not like it brings the same commercial benefits of the FA Cup either. |
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Post by Cast no shadow on Sept 19, 2019 13:44:05 GMT
I like the league Cup, 1 of the main reasons is that clubs get 40k each allocation. Compared to fa Cup over 1/3 filled with corporate.
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Post by Goonie on Sept 19, 2019 14:51:30 GMT
The League Cup has been dominated by the top clubs over the last ten years anyway. 9 of the last eleven winners have ended the season with a Champions League place, so the allotted European place hasn't been taken. The same can be said for the FA Cup now that the European place for runners up has been removed. I suppose the competition could carry on without the clubs who're playing in European football, but it will then lose its prestige even more. Not been a decent LC winner for 47 years! |
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Post by Mendicant on Sept 19, 2019 17:50:49 GMT
Mendicant used goo dine PSG and stand in the Boulogne most weeks in the early 2000's. A bad-tempered League Cup semi-final against Bordeaux resulted in me boycotting Bordeaux wine until last year when I drank some without knowing it. My bad, I should have recognised the signature woody highnotes and echoes of hazelnut of the Bordeaux in the bouquet before I tasted it but being as I am I just swilled it down me without a thought like it was Pedigree in the Pig Pen. How PSG ever lost with Ronaldinho in the team I don't know.
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Post by lordb on Sept 19, 2019 20:29:22 GMT
Scrap the League Cup
Scrap the FA Cup
Scrap the Championship
Scrap all football outside the top six
Because that's all that matters.
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Post by woodstein on Sept 19, 2019 21:48:23 GMT
www.espn.co.uk/football/french-coupe-de-la-ligue/story/3945762/au-revoir!-french-football-ending-league-cup How long until one of our cups is gone to make room for the elite's champions league campaign? "The French football league says it's ending the League Cup competition after this season's edition. The decision comes as the European Club Association pushes for cuts in national fixture schedules to create more space for an expanded Champions League in 2024." Expanded champions league for teams that are not champions! |
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Post by Veritas on Sept 20, 2019 8:31:50 GMT
Rather than scrap the league cup, maybe a better idea would be to only make it open to clubs either a) in the EFL or b) not in European competition. I would go with only EFL clubs and scrap the other ridiculous cup we played Vale in whose name I can't remember. |
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 20, 2019 10:09:49 GMT
Rather than scrap the league cup, maybe a better idea would be to only make it open to clubs either a) in the EFL or b) not in European competition. I would go with only EFL clubs and scrap the other ridiculous cup we played Vale in whose name is can't remember. that ridiculous cup competition was absolutely fine until Prem teams hijacked it as a playground for their reserve teams. Remember the argument being that this was going to transform English football. A 19 year old playing at Rochdale on a Tuesday night in front of 120 people was somehow going to prepare him for playing in front of 90,000 against Brazil in Mexico City in the 2026 World Cup Finals. The only thing of any note to come out of that competition for us is that we are now top of the Arrests League. |
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Post by ravey123 on Sept 20, 2019 11:32:09 GMT
Changing domestic football to accommodate the obscene fashion show that is the Champions League is when I'll probably check out of none Stoke related football completely. I checked out of the non stoke football scene about 3 years ago (and I have a Sky Sports subscription too). The game is slowly dying before our eyes. Accelerated by VAR |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 12:27:36 GMT
Changing domestic football to accommodate the obscene fashion show that is the Champions League is when I'll probably check out of none Stoke related football completely. I checked out of the non stoke football scene about 3 years ago (and I have a Sky Sports subscription too). The game is slowly dying before our eyes. Accelerated by VAR Ye I have to admit I don't even class myself as a football fan these days. Will love SCFC until the end but if we stopped existing today and never returned as a phoenix club I'd quite possibly never go out of my way to watch another minute of football. |
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Post by RF10 on Sept 20, 2019 14:53:55 GMT
My interest in football as a whole has dropped off as got older and more the money has got to a level which is like another did.
From late 90's till around 2010 ish I could name most full teams from 'big' clubs over Europe now I can only name a few players from the teams and in some cases struggle to name any. Same with Premier League before I would know every player in the division and now I would class my knowledge as pretty average.
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