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Post by PotterLog on Jan 27, 2024 5:10:14 GMT
“He doesn’t know such a thing as giving up on a through-ball”
Cracking Nige line
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 26, 2024 13:10:26 GMT
What are you saying then? You seem upset that people "don't know the rules" in relation to the Madrid penalty decision, but all you've provided in support is your arbitrary assertion that "VAR decisions are not on pushing and shoving". This is inaccurate - if a push (foul) constitutes a "missed incident" in relation to a penalty, then of course VAR can be used to make a decision on it, per the protocol which you helpfully provided. Essentially there's no reason the ref couldn't have given a foul by the attacker in that review, and people fairly reasonably think he should have. That's a situation that didn't apply. The review wasn't on the push. It was on the handball. And you know this how exactly? You have no idea whether the VAR didn’t say “possible handball and possible push by attacking player”. You also have no idea whether the on-pitch ref didn’t consider it of his own accord when watching the replay, also a possibility. More than one element of an incident can be looked at in the same review. You seem determined to speak with authority on this but you’re just painting yourself into corners with these arbitrary (and flawed) pronouncements like “VAR is not for pushing and shoving” and “the review was [only] on the handball”. The ref could have given the foul for the push on the review - including even if the VAR only referred the handball. End of story.
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 26, 2024 1:47:09 GMT
It’s unfortunate that things have gotten this bad but not entirely surprising. It wouldn’t be necessary if it wasn’t for a reason though and I’m not tarring everyone with the same brush. I’m sure many will disagree but it is a sad indictment of elements of society today. Yes it used to be prevalent but that’s no excuse. People just need to behave. I don’t agree with this by the way but I can understand why it is being implemented, although unfairly and without parity. I hope everyone stays safe and we win, but won’t be surprised if we get one or neither 😂 Aren’t they the only club in the division doing this? Why have “things gotten this bad” there but nowhere else?
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 26, 2024 1:40:02 GMT
I remember Lads n Dads days we had a not bad side and think we finished quite high up. I was keeper at start of the season but someone brought their mate who was much better than me so I was basically sub thereafter unless we were a few short. One week it was freezing, windy, absolutely pissing down 45 degree frozen rain and we just had 11. The other side were wank and only had 9 or 10 from memory and were one of few sides in plain green so always stuck with me for some reason. We won something like 10-0 but I've never enjoyed a game of football less - I played left back and never touched it once. The entirety of my involvement was standing on the half way line then swapping sides at half time. My record defeat as a player was when me and my mates decided to form a 5-a-side team, despite having spent the most of the previous three years since Uni solidly drinking "John Smiths", and eating Balti Chicken Tikka Masala. We didn't realise how unfit we were, but I knew I was in real trouble 60 seconds into our first game, when I started to sweat heavily, and it smelled like pure mango chutney. Sure enough we got absolutely bummed, 23 goals to 3! 😮 But then a couple of years later, the roles were reversed; with us now the experienced side; playing against a team of newbies in their first ever competitive league game. They turned out to be a group of uncoordinated, morbidly obese, pony-tailed, bespectacled, computer-programming virgin-nerds; who rocked up for the game wearing Red Dwarf t-shirts, denim jeans and casual work shoes. We however were incredible, ruthless, and 31-0 up with seconds to play, when the referee decided to give them a consolation penalty; for a completely imaginary offence. Only for their striker, (a particularly Penn-Jillete-looking-motherf*cker), to stumble over the ball and miss it. So the ref dreamt up another infringement, but the useless twat missed it again. Cue more bullsh*t refereeing, to award a third attempt, which Fatty McF*ck finally scored; and promptly celebrated by raising his t-shirt over his head, like he'd won the f*cking World Cup! Still; great memories..! 🙂 I once played in a real rag-tag Sunday league team in Leeds. We were pretty dreadful, losing was the norm and we’d scrape maybe three wins in a season when all the decent players turned up. However we were only the second-worst team in the league, and the worst team was a long, long way behind. While we were used to losing 3 and 4 nil, their defeats often ran into twenty goals.. they were so bad that when we beat them 18-0, it was their best result of the season 😂
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 25, 2024 13:45:20 GMT
?? Sorry, are you under the impression that because your words “pushing and shoving” do not appear explicitly in the VAR protocol, it wouldn’t have been possible for the ref to give a foul by the attacker as part of his review of the penalty decision? Seems like this sofa expert might need to brush up on his rules 😉 I haven't said that, have I ? What are you saying then? You seem upset that people "don't know the rules" in relation to the Madrid penalty decision, but all you've provided in support is your arbitrary assertion that "VAR decisions are not on pushing and shoving". This is inaccurate - if a push (foul) constitutes a "missed incident" in relation to a penalty, then of course VAR can be used to make a decision on it, per the protocol which you helpfully provided. Essentially there's no reason the ref couldn't have given a foul by the attacker in that review, and people fairly reasonably think he should have.
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 25, 2024 13:15:57 GMT
What do you mean “No”? The ref *did* decide it was a foul then? How does that work? On the review the ref decided the player who handled the ball wasn’t fouled. Or, and this is another possibility, he missed the foul because he was focussed on the handball. Of course the ref “followed the rules” - the issue is whether he made the right decision on the review. I don’t quite know what you’re disagreeing with You say, "of course VAR decisions are on pushing and shoving in the box" and I say "no" as in VAR decisions are NOT on pushing and shoving in the box. As per the VAR protocol linked to above. ?? Sorry, are you under the impression that because your words “pushing and shoving” do not appear explicitly in the VAR protocol, it wouldn’t have been possible for the ref to give a foul by the attacker as part of his review of the penalty decision? Seems like this sofa expert might need to brush up on his rules 😉
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 25, 2024 12:40:48 GMT
I mean that last part is just objectively the opposite of what is supposed to happen with VAR - of course VAR decisions are on pushing and shoving in the box, just like they're on any other foul the ref apparently didn't see. On this occasion either the VAR decided not to refer that element of the incident, or the on-pitch ref decided it wasn't a foul on the review. But in both cases s/he just as well could and maybe should have. No. VAR just followed the rules. It'd be great if the experts in the sofas learned them as well. What do you mean “No”? The ref *did* decide it was a foul then? How does that work? On the review the ref decided the player who handled the ball wasn’t fouled. Or, and this is another possibility, he missed the foul because he was focussed on the handball. Of course the ref “followed the rules” - the issue is whether he made the right decision on the review. I don’t quite know what you’re disagreeing with
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 24, 2024 21:31:32 GMT
I was playing a gig at the Full Moon in castle the night of the Liverpool League Cup game. My pal showed up and told me the score while I was on stage, played the rest of the show in a right funk
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 24, 2024 20:35:11 GMT
The minor occurrence being the push in the back that led directly to the handball you mean? You know like when they rule out goals because there has been a foul in the build up. It shouldn't have been a penalty but I'm fighting a loosing battle here with you so let's leave it at that shall we. In your earlier post you said, " we can't change the rules to please everyone", yet here we are, you're demanding VAR to be something it isn't. Var decisions are not on pushing and shoving in the penalty area, therefore it's up to the ref to decide if there was a push, and apparently he didn't see it, from his position. You saw it from 10 different angles and are adamant it happened, so you feel justice must be served. But football rarely serves that purpose. Once the ref doesn't see a foul, the debate is over. I mean that last part is just objectively the opposite of what is supposed to happen with VAR - of course VAR decisions are on pushing and shoving in the box, just like they're on any other foul the ref apparently didn't see. On this occasion either the VAR decided not to refer that element of the incident, or the on-pitch ref decided it wasn't a foul on the review. But in both cases s/he just as well could and maybe should have.
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 24, 2024 20:04:31 GMT
First non-top flight team on there ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/cj7bsBj2jOTuEAUVaPt5.gif)
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 24, 2024 18:46:10 GMT
If Bojan’s goal wasn’t ruled out against Arsenal we’d have gone on to win that game 8 or 9 nil I’m convinced of it. We absolutely destroyed the cunts. It took ESPN about three or four minutes to realise it had been ruled out, they changed the scoreboard and everything. When Arsenal scored their first I still thought we were 4-0 up.
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 24, 2024 16:15:17 GMT
I have a running debate with a group of mates about what constitutes a thrashing. I think a four-goal difference is enough but they insist on five. I think that's too stringent a standard (cutely referred to as the "thrashold").
Gets more interesting when considering two-leg ties.. if you win the 1st leg 6-0 but then draw the 2nd 1-1, I don't think that can be called an overall thrashing. I think you have to win both games.
In the Prem, aside from the 6-1 did we ever hit anyone for 5? Don't think so. Think we beat Villa and Newcastle 4-0, anyone else?
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 24, 2024 12:46:18 GMT
They were my Plan B for Madrid tickets recently. Didn’t actually use them in the end but looked into it and was confident enough to go with them if necessary. Reviews are mixed but mainly positive. They guarantee you the tickets but I think sometimes you don’t get them until quite close to the day of the game because they’re waiting for returns and whatnot. Best to go for the e-ticket option if it’s on offer. Also I don’t think they’ll take any responsibility if there are changes to the fixture ko time and you can’t make it (for example)
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 23, 2024 23:41:45 GMT
Musically we are a bit disappinting Slash, Aha, Candy Flip and 2 members of the original Quireboys Any advance on that? We can’t claim Slash any more than we can claim Lemmy can we? Has a connection to the area but zero interest in football and wouldn’t know the first thing about us apart from (maybe) our name Edit- I see he did a couple of tweets congratulating us in the Prem days, I guess we can admit that
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 23, 2024 22:53:09 GMT
Fun fact, Stoke have lost more league games than they've won in 14 of the last 15 seasons. The one exception was 14/15, when they won 15 and lost 14Is that bizarre? Bottom-half teams tend to lose more than they win and that's largely what we've been for the last fifteen years It was more the occurrence of 14 & 15 than anything? Oh! Haha that completely passed me by
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 23, 2024 20:34:08 GMT
Despite the fact Aha wrote a song about him Is Toby Jones actually a football fan ? I always remember Lemmy being out in these football lists as was born locally but his quote in Kerrang think it was... " I f###ing hate football" when once asked, puts that one to bed Vale fan then
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 23, 2024 19:38:32 GMT
God. Those people should never have microphones anywhere near their mouths ever again
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 23, 2024 18:21:07 GMT
Fun fact, Stoke have lost more league games than they've won in 14 of the last 15 seasons. The one exception was 14/15, when they won 15 and lost 14Is that bizarre? Bottom-half teams tend to lose more than they win and that's largely what we've been for the last fifteen years With that record you'd think we'd have been relegated more than once in that period. Not really for the Prem, it's a bloody hard ask for any team outside the top 6/7 to win more than you lose. For example Palace, Brighton and WHU (the three longest-serving "best of the rest") have only mustered 5 "winning seasons" out of 27 between them, and four of those were Brighton and WHU in the last couple of seasons. Palace have never done it, and that's almost certainly true of all the up-and-downers like Baggies, Norwich, Sheff U, Watford etc The fact we managed it once under Hughes is a big achievement I think
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 23, 2024 17:22:47 GMT
Fun fact, Stoke have lost more league games than they've won in 14 of the last 15 seasons. The one exception was 14/15, when they won 15 and lost 14
Is that bizarre? Bottom-half teams tend to lose more than they win and that's largely what we've been for the last fifteen years
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 23, 2024 14:49:25 GMT
Frank Mountford Cliff Carr Clint Hill Aden Flint
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 23, 2024 2:15:53 GMT
Because it’s how you pronounce it? Like Nunyez is how you pronounce that? Piss off Bayern, just let me have my rant ffs ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif) 3-0 Jotta, which definitely won't be how they pronounce it in Portugal ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif) The funny one about Portuguese is that the R is pronounced as a rasping H sound, something like the Spanish J in José. So Ronaldo and Ronaldinho and Romario etc are all Hhhonaldo, Hhonaldinho. The J is a soft J, like zzhhh, which is totally different from Spanish. Confusing..
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 22, 2024 18:51:31 GMT
I’ll kick myself for this, but… Who’s TGO? Toddy G Orlygsson? The Golden One, Mark Stein
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 22, 2024 18:48:30 GMT
You’d think he’d be in plane clothes
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 22, 2024 17:14:00 GMT
It looks bad because it was three close calls that all went Madrid’s way but they also had a goal VARed and a reasonable penalty shout declined. Only the penalty handball was debatable for the push in the back.
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 22, 2024 11:40:06 GMT
I genuinely couldn’t remember the last time I saw us win a game. Turns out it was September v Watford 🤷♂️🤦♂️ If it makes you feel any better, for me it was 2013 😂
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 22, 2024 2:01:31 GMT
No that's me done, can't think of any more. There’s no room for any more
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 21, 2024 19:53:01 GMT
Trying to think about the history I think it’d have to be Matthews, Banks, Waddo and Shawcross. I took “your” to mean personal, as in a subjective during your time thing. If it’s an all-time icons thing it might be hard to argue Ryan over Skeels, Ritchie or Denis.. even Soo or Franklyn.. but then they’re all from 50+ years ago ☹️
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 21, 2024 17:48:32 GMT
Liverpool 1 up. Nunyez. Fucking winds me up how they call him that, I've not heard one single pundit or commentator call Gomez, Gomyez. Well that’s cos that’s not how you pronounce it 😉
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 21, 2024 17:47:55 GMT
Would the ref have given that holding on Bowen if he hadn't given the previous ones? Think he took the easy way out here Wilder talking bollox about the Brewster red card though Only saw one replay but it looked a bloody solid shout for a pen to me
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 21, 2024 15:56:07 GMT
I still worry about us in the longer term but Schumacher’s Stoke would have to be cataclysmically bad - worse than almost everything we’ve seen in the last six years in this wretched division - for us to go down this season. We have plenty enough to avoid that, our aversion to goalscoring notwithstanding.
We’re fine, even if we contrive to lose the next two.
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