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Post by PotterLog on Jun 16, 2024 23:59:42 GMT
We aren’t going to just roll everybody over and it was a great 3 points v no mugs …..if that was Italy or Spain winning that people would be waxing lyrical re professional job done etc Cmon England The second half was horrific. We won, so I guess got away with it, but dear god that should set alarm bells ringing. Absolutely ragged under the first tiny bit of pressure.
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 16, 2024 23:56:09 GMT
Feel like Bellingham is our best 8 and 10. Feel like we should him as 8 but somehow feels like a waste at the same time I get that completely but I think we have to just get over the feeling of it being a “waste”. He’s absolutely at his best picking it up deep and driving forward. We have other quality players in the attacking third, and he’ll get forward and join them anyway.
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EURO 2024
Jun 15, 2024 19:05:08 GMT
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 15, 2024 19:05:08 GMT
That feels like the start of the tournament
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 15, 2024 18:16:50 GMT
Just seen Wouter in Limone in Italy! Looked very tanned with his girlfriend and hopefully ready to get back firing! He’s in Mallorca proposing to her according to his insta
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 15, 2024 18:07:21 GMT
Yet the keeper moved off his line before too. It’s shite. I agree. The penalty should have been retaken. His foot was still on the goal-line. Meanwhile the Croatia player encroached. It all feels very picky but was the correct decision
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 15, 2024 17:51:12 GMT
Was it for encroachment? Not going to get away with it now we have VAR Yet the keeper moved off his line before too. It’s shite. Only one foot, which I think is still ok
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 15, 2024 17:45:57 GMT
wrong , as every commentator, pundit , fans , tweeter and on here , but Bayern says different so he’s right , mate it’s why you’re abhorred on here , you think you’re right when your mostly wrong Apart from Tierney fouled him in the area when the ball was live. And another crap var call there. Was it for encroachment? Not going to get away with it now we have VAR
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 15, 2024 13:44:06 GMT
What awful, awful news. Really liked him here. Thoughts with his family.
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 14, 2024 20:43:53 GMT
Well that VAR process for the offside was a marked improvement
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 14, 2024 19:36:25 GMT
33rd minute and just discovered what colour the German goalie is wearing
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 14, 2024 15:04:45 GMT
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 14, 2024 13:11:09 GMT
Kyle 'Lightbulb' Lightbourne Or “stillborn”, less charitably. Ringtone was a lesser-used one of more recent times
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 14, 2024 1:19:55 GMT
How can you so blithely dismiss this as the "reality of her own brainwashing" that is causing her reaction? She's displaying abject, incredulous horror at what she is seeing What is it that you think she is reacting to? Something like a profound and visceral sense of abandonment and betrayal. Outrage at the existence of her (and their) homeland being attacked by her own people. The victim-blaming, the incredulity at them siding with the enemy in a war triggered by an unspeakably cruel antisemitic massacre. Quite possibly fear for her child’s future. That’s if I had to guess, obviously I can’t speak for her. You won’t agree with the legitimacy of that I’m sure. Fine, but I’m taking issue with the characterisation of her as “brainwashed”. Her reaction is emotional but understandable and in step with mainstream opinion - they are the radicals here, not her. This thread is now so completely one-sided that I think that kind of thing is lost.
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 13, 2024 21:41:43 GMT
Where will we get better,unless we spend £illions? You're obviously a bloke who'd buy a Porche with a million miles on the clock instead of a low milage VW that would almost certainly last you many years. You're obviously a bloke who'd pass up the opportunity to have some fun with a Porsche for a couple of years in favour of driving a Passat for the next 15 ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif)
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 13, 2024 20:15:33 GMT
Literally came to post the same video. It's incredibly sad and hard to watch to be honest. The lady screaming hasn't done anything wrong but it shows the levels of indoctrination amongst some communities. Very sad to watch but I guess sort of highlights the complexities around Zionism and Israel too. I relate to it because the same indoctrination happens within Northern Ireland with protestants and catholics. I remember debating on the Internet in 2010 about Israel and being on the other side of the argument as its common for loyalist/Unionist communities to display Israel flags. And we were told that it's because the catholics support Palestine who are terrorists. It's only when you distance yourself from it and educate yourself independently that you begin to realise the levels of indoctrination within some communities and how its common for people to be shunned if they even question it. Luckily my parents weren't sectarian. But I can relate. And I think there's also comparisons that can be made between zionist extremism and Islamic extremism too. Couldn't agree with you more mate, as you say, it's a difficult watch but she's been subjected to a program of brainwashing all her life and when reality actually hits home, it's bound to be extremely painful. How can you so blithely dismiss this as the "reality of her own brainwashing" that is causing her reaction? She's displaying abject, incredulous horror at what she is seeing and it's entirely understandable, and justified, imo. Especially when the mob around her starts taunting her and chanting at her (and her infant child). It's intensely distressing to watch. I feel a bit like her when I occasionally dip into this thread to be honest
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 13, 2024 18:17:28 GMT
Muggleton or Ronnie Sinclair? They were both pretty beige as I recall. Muggles just because he was a bit more of a character. I liked him despite his proneness to a clanger
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New Kits
Jun 13, 2024 15:47:03 GMT
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 13, 2024 15:47:03 GMT
There’s always a long-sleeved version available for fans mate. When I Out of interest though, exactly how many Stoke shirts do you think macron are selling in the tropics?? When I spoke to Simon King last year about this he said there was no demand for long sleeves. My thinking was then that the suppliers were driven by overseas sales ( Premier league teams) and the tail was wagging the dog . Not that stoke sales were a factor. It was interesting that there were however a few stoke shirts in the Korea v Singapore crowd . If there is a long sleeved one now available that’s great . I will pop into the shop and buy/order . Cheers I do remember a time when there wasn’t a long-sleeved version available, you’re right, but they’ve done them for the last several seasons – I guess as long as we’ve been with Macron. I have a feeling they may have done away with them for players though? I think they’re required to wear those undershirts now
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New Kits
Jun 13, 2024 15:18:20 GMT
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 13, 2024 15:18:20 GMT
But I keep hearing that Macron are shit, so that can't be nice. Nah, thats just the cool "we want Nike or Adidas" brigade. aka boomers
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New Kits
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 13, 2024 15:09:46 GMT
Given the game is predominantly a winter game I can only think that the reason kits are short sleeved is driven by overseas sales . Why would any UK based fan other than those hardy souls who even go bare chested want a short sleeved version ? Many players wear some kind of long sleeved vest underneath the short sleeves . How many fans do the same? We used to sell long sleeved kits - k have one from circa 2009 ( no 24 Delap ) but no longer . When I asked about this I was told there was no demand for them. If we separated Uk sales from overseas would that be different ? I’d much prefer a long sleeved kit myself There’s always a long-sleeved version available for fans mate. Out of interest though, exactly how many Stoke shirts do you think macron are selling in the tropics??
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 12, 2024 19:10:50 GMT
I'm sure you're right, and you make good points about trying to make incremental positive changes to behaviour - I just think they'd do well to be much more explicit in the wording (e.g. chants which make reference to race or sexuality) and not use these woolly subjective concepts like "offensive" and "improper" which are open to abuse if at some point you end up with particularly overzealous adjudicators. I agree with that. I think regulators (not just at the FA) sometimes draft rules very widely to give themselves maximum charging flexibility but end up creating unhelpful uncertainty about what is caught and what isn't. As someone who used to sit on FA Commissions I can just imagine a debate between the FA and defence lawyers about what "improper" means ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/cj7bsBj2jOTuEAUVaPt5.gif) "offensive" is perhaps a bit less uncertain, but, as you say, even that is subjective at the margins. I think "offensive" is the most uncertain of anything to be honest. Offence, almost by definition, is taken rather than given, so somebody has to be subjectively "offended" for any supposed infraction to take place. As an example and without wishing to be facetious, I find the wording of this FA regulation offensive - can I report it? ![(lol)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/lvpvZ64EmrkLcuVniUmo.gif)
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 12, 2024 18:36:31 GMT
Thanks for that MC. Having read the regulation, I'm not sure it's fair to say it's "inaccurate hyperbole" to be concerned about the potential for overreach, given the wording. You say we are talking "essentially about mass, discriminatory chanting", but "mass" is defined as "not an individual or a very small number", and "discriminatory" only enters as an aggravating factor. So the chargeable offence is in fact that a group of supporters "uses words which are improper or offensive". I appreciate that the offences in the case in point are more extensive than that (and there's a debate to had there), but I'd say it's an understatement to say the regulation is "quite widely framed"! I think that's fair comment on the way it's worded, potterlog, which is what I meant by 'widely framed'. I was really thinking about how it has and is being used in practice by the FA. I don't think that there is any reason to believe that the FA will start charging clubs for smaller groups of fans using non-discriminatory but "improper" (defining that would make plenty of work for m'learned friends !) or "offensive" language. Apart from anything else they could be overrun by cases ! I think their focus is on discriminatory chanting by large numbers. I could be wrong of course ( it has been known ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) ). I'm sure you're right, and you make good points about trying to make incremental positive changes to behaviour - I just think they'd do well to be much more explicit in the wording (e.g. chants which make reference to race or sexuality) and not use these woolly subjective concepts like "offensive" and "improper" which are open to abuse if at some point you end up with particularly overzealous adjudicators.
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 12, 2024 18:27:41 GMT
I don't get how there's any argument for Vokes being better? Carruthers scored 17 goals in two of our better 2nd division seasons in recent memory, finishing 10th and 11th, and then a few in the playoff season. Vokes scored eight one season, one the next and we finished bottom half both times. Plus the small matter that he cost us 8 million quid. All opinions but I think MC got the "fucksake" tag and we remember him as much worse than he was Martin Carruthers is recent memory? I'm younger than I thought. I can remember it like yesterday, too. Carruthers, every week, running onto a slide-rule pass from Frank Soo or whoever and tamely hitting his shot at the keeper as I smoked on my pipe at ye olde Victoria Grounde. Ugh. Bang to rights
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 12, 2024 18:19:32 GMT
There is no need to speculate on any of this. It's all in the public domain - what was chanted in these two cases, the relevant FA regulations, the guidance on how they are to be applied, the guidance on sanctions, the fact that Preston pleaded guilty and the action plan adopted by the Club. www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/discipline/written-reasonsEdit - enter Preston and season 2023/24 into the search box and it comes up There are some interesting and potentially challenging issues here. I think it is unhelpful and inaccurate hyperbole to suggest that this means that anything which might offend anybody will result in an FA charge. It won't. Although the regulation is quite widely framed, we talking essentially about mass, discriminatory chanting. The argument for taking action on discriminatory chanting is set out in para.21, which I agree with. That said, we don't want to see the game 'sanitised' and there will be debates and disagreements about where to draw the line. No doubt many posters of my generation will remember when it was commonplace for monkey chants to be directed at opposing black players. Few would now defend such behaviour, or other forms racism in football. In today's world the line is being extended to cover other types of discriminatory chanting and behaviour, which I think is a good thing. Delilah is a very interesting case. It was a pop song, sung by a national icon ( who performed at the D-day ceremony recently) which, as far as I know, has never been banned by a broadcaster ? But it's about a man who murders a woman with a knife in a fit of sexual jealousy - hardly a comfortable and pleasant topic in today's world ( and nothing to do with football or Stoke !) Our version appears to modify this to be about a man threatening rape. Now of course many will say that no fans singing it take the words seriously and that is true. And that complainants should lighten up. But I can see why the Club had complaints from parents who don't want to bring their kids to a game to hear that, and then want to join in, and why some women fans find it offensive. We don't want it to be deterrent to some fans and some families coming to the game. The Welsh Rugby Union have banned it. Our Club has stopped playing it before games, and renamed Delilah's as Ricardo's. 'Wash your mouth out son' is a song sung by a few clubs about rivals, including us, and incidentally, both Preston-Blackpool fans about each other. I don't think it is discriminatory, although others may disagree. But I really dislike it as a football song because I don't want to call fellow football fans "scum" and sing about shooting them in today's world. It's an important and complex debate with various facets. I hope that as a fan community we can have a mature and respectful debate about it, without misrepresentation, exaggeration or hyperbole on any side, or simply try to dismiss it as the FA trying to ruin the game as we know it. Thanks for that MC. Having read the regulation, I'm not sure it's fair to say it's "inaccurate hyperbole" to be concerned about the potential for overreach, given the wording. You say we are talking "essentially about mass, discriminatory chanting", but "mass" is defined as "not an individual or a very small number", and "discriminatory" only enters as an aggravating factor. So the chargeable offence is in fact that a group of supporters "uses words which are improper or offensive". I appreciate that the offences in the case in point are more extensive than that (and there's a debate to had there), but I'd say it's an understatement to say the regulation is "quite widely framed"!
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 12, 2024 15:48:21 GMT
Carruthers was a big part of the 95/96 resurgence. Bringing him in for Scott was such a relief. Pace. He could carry the ball forward and get into their half. I don't get how there's any argument for Vokes being better? Carruthers scored 17 goals in two of our better 2nd division seasons in recent memory, finishing 10th and 11th, and then a few in the playoff season. Vokes scored eight one season, one the next and we finished bottom half both times. Plus the small matter that he cost us 8 million quid. All opinions but I think MC got the "fucksake" tag and we remember him as much worse than he was
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 12, 2024 14:51:56 GMT
Vokes way worse, given the relative contexts. At least the period Carruthers played in was a happy time. Nothing about that wretched Vokes season was good - and he couldn’t even score his fkin pennos.
Shawcross is a club legend, Huth a cult hero. But there’s a parallel universe where those roles are reversed and there’s no change in quality, I think it’s impossible to say who was “better”.
What about…. Crossley vs Simmo
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 11, 2024 19:58:10 GMT
41-year-old Pepe is playing at the heart of the POR defence.. is he really still going to be starting for them? Looking good going forward but a bit suspect at the back , Portugal tonight Had a few £ on them to win it @ 8-1 CR7 swansong... just notched
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 11, 2024 19:47:05 GMT
41-year-old Pepe is playing at the heart of the POR defence.. is he really still going to be starting for them?
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 11, 2024 14:10:46 GMT
I guess that's washing your mouth with soap and fetching your fathers gun gone then 🤔 Nanny state.. They seem quite keen on the first part to be fair
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 11, 2024 13:19:57 GMT
Football club fined because some of its fans used “improper language”.
Certainly can’t say times haven’t changed.
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 10, 2024 22:00:25 GMT
Starts a week later than the Euros but after that it's completely simultaneous. Quarters, semis and final all on the same days. In the group stages on some days there are 6 games a day between the two tournaments ![(lol)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/lvpvZ64EmrkLcuVniUmo.gif) edit: it's also the biggest Copa America ever, with 6 extra teams on top of the 10 CONMEBOL nations. The six "invitees" being USA (hosts), Canada, Costa Rica, Jamaica, Panama and Mexico Wow that’s not the norm is it??? I always remember it coming after the Euros. That’s brilliant though. Football fest!! It’s 83 matches in 31 days in total 🤣 if I get round to it I’ll post my…… err sorry I mean my lad’s combined wallchart/calendar for it all…. 😛
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