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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 14, 2024 10:11:15 GMT
Badenoch is really scraping the barrel now. She doesn’t think schools or employers should make special efforts for neurodiversity. Apparently there are economic benefits to being neurodiverse!?
She really is an awful human being who has no idea what it is like to have a neurodiverse family member.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 14, 2024 11:06:34 GMT
Badenoch is really scraping the barrel now. She doesn’t think schools or employers should make special efforts for neurodiversity. Apparently there are economic benefits to being neurodiverse!? She really is an awful human being who has no idea what it is like to have a neurodiverse family member. She’s a shoo in to be next Tory leader then |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 14, 2024 11:26:47 GMT
Badenoch is really scraping the barrel now. She doesn’t think schools or employers should make special efforts for neurodiversity. Apparently there are economic benefits to being neurodiverse!? She really is an awful human being who has no idea what it is like to have a neurodiverse family member. She’s a shoo in to be next Tory leader then I think if I were right wing, I’d vote Reform over the Tories. At least Reform is upfront about some of their more controversial views, whereas the current crop of Tories just gaslight. Plus Reform is for electoral reform. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 14, 2024 11:45:41 GMT
She’s a shoo in to be next Tory leader then I think if I were right wing, I’d vote Reform over the Tories. At least Reform is upfront about some of their more controversial views, whereas the current crop of Tories just gaslight. Plus Reform is for electoral reform. I knew you’d see the light in the end😉 |
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Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 14, 2024 13:01:57 GMT
She’s a shoo in to be next Tory leader then I think if I were right wing, I’d vote Reform over the Tories. At least Reform is upfront about some of their more controversial views, whereas the current crop of Tories just gaslight. Plus Reform is for electoral reform. Isn't that how one defines clutching at straws....at least they want electoral reform? 😉😂 |
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Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 14, 2024 19:19:39 GMT
The Conservative/Reform split helped Labour win a landslide victory with barely one-third of the national vote. Had Conservative and Reform voters lined up behind a single candidate, Labour would have won 144 fewer seats and would have been almost 60 seats short of a majority in parliament. However, suppose Labour, Liberal Democrat and Green voters also backed a single candidate in each constituency. We would have 447 progressive MPs and 162 Conservative/Reform MPs — different from the actual 483-126 result, but not vastly so (excluding Northern Ireland, and seats won by the SNP, Plaid Cymru and independent candidates.) Even without the Tory/Reform split, there was a clear progressive majority. Overall, more than 15m people voted Labour, Lib Dem or Green, while just under 11m voted Conservative or Reform.
The Tories lost almost as many votes to their left this year as to their right. A post-election survey of more than 10,000 people for Labour Together found that 23% of those who voted Conservative in 2019 voted Reform this year, while 22 per cent voted Labour (12%), Lib Dem (7%) or Green (3%). To be sure, the Tories need to win back as many Reform voters as they can. The risk is that if they target only Reform voters, their shift to the nationalist right is likely to alienate the moderates they also need — especially in the seats they lost to the Lib Dems, where voters refuse to demonise immigrants who come to the UK to work.
The dilemma for the Conservatives is that they have to rationalise separating out both 1. letting in the people they do want to come to Britain (in fact the great majority, when considered job by job), and 2. keeping out those they don’t (which is in fact a very small minority).
(https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/68212/can-jenrick-or-badenoch-win-back-lost-tory-voters)
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 14, 2024 19:59:54 GMT
The Conservative/Reform split helped Labour win a landslide victory with barely one-third of the national vote. Had Conservative and Reform voters lined up behind a single candidate, Labour would have won 144 fewer seats and would have been almost 60 seats short of a majority in parliament. However, suppose Labour, Liberal Democrat and Green voters also backed a single candidate in each constituency. We would have 447 progressive MPs and 162 Conservative/Reform MPs — different from the actual 483-126 result, but not vastly so (excluding Northern Ireland, and seats won by the SNP, Plaid Cymru and independent candidates.) Even without the Tory/Reform split, there was a clear progressive majority. Overall, more than 15m people voted Labour, Lib Dem or Green, while just under 11m voted Conservative or Reform. The Tories lost almost as many votes to their left this year as to their right. A post-election survey of more than 10,000 people for Labour Together found that 23% of those who voted Conservative in 2019 voted Reform this year, while 22 per cent voted Labour (12%), Lib Dem (7%) or Green (3%). To be sure, the Tories need to win back as many Reform voters as they can. The risk is that if they target only Reform voters, their shift to the nationalist right is likely to alienate the moderates they also need — especially in the seats they lost to the Lib Dems, where voters refuse to demonise immigrants who come to the UK to work. The dilemma for the Conservatives is that they have to rationalise separating out both 1. letting in the people they do want to come to Britain (in fact the great majority, when considered job by job), and 2. keeping out those they don’t (which is in fact a very small minority). (https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/68212/can-jenrick-or-badenoch-win-back-lost-tory-voters) Contrary to “popular” belief, the aim of Reform was exactly what occurred. They wanted the tories to get trounced so they can play the long game and get the tories interested into forming a “coalition” to battle labour at the next election. Big Nige isn’t thick and he explained as much when he threw his hat in the ring at the last election. Mark my words, the next election will not be a foregone conclusion as most think no matter what Starmer does or most likely doesn’t do to get this country out of a very deep hole. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 14, 2024 20:22:08 GMT
The Conservative/Reform split helped Labour win a landslide victory with barely one-third of the national vote. Had Conservative and Reform voters lined up behind a single candidate, Labour would have won 144 fewer seats and would have been almost 60 seats short of a majority in parliament. However, suppose Labour, Liberal Democrat and Green voters also backed a single candidate in each constituency. We would have 447 progressive MPs and 162 Conservative/Reform MPs — different from the actual 483-126 result, but not vastly so (excluding Northern Ireland, and seats won by the SNP, Plaid Cymru and independent candidates.) Even without the Tory/Reform split, there was a clear progressive majority. Overall, more than 15m people voted Labour, Lib Dem or Green, while just under 11m voted Conservative or Reform. The Tories lost almost as many votes to their left this year as to their right. A post-election survey of more than 10,000 people for Labour Together found that 23% of those who voted Conservative in 2019 voted Reform this year, while 22 per cent voted Labour (12%), Lib Dem (7%) or Green (3%). To be sure, the Tories need to win back as many Reform voters as they can. The risk is that if they target only Reform voters, their shift to the nationalist right is likely to alienate the moderates they also need — especially in the seats they lost to the Lib Dems, where voters refuse to demonise immigrants who come to the UK to work. The dilemma for the Conservatives is that they have to rationalise separating out both 1. letting in the people they do want to come to Britain (in fact the great majority, when considered job by job), and 2. keeping out those they don’t (which is in fact a very small minority). (https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/68212/can-jenrick-or-badenoch-win-back-lost-tory-voters) Contrary to “popular” belief, the aim of Reform was exactly what occurred. They wanted the tories to get trounced so they can play the long game and get the tories interested into forming a “coalition” to battle labour at the next election. Big Nige isn’t thick and he explained as much when he threw his hat in the ring at the last election. Mark my words, the next election will not be a foregone conclusion as most think no matter what Starmer does or most likely doesn’t do to get this country out of a very deep hole. You are right that if the Tories and Reform collaborate and Labour go it alone the next election will not be a foregone conclusion. However whatever "Big Nige" wants to happen it will require the Tory leader to want to agree on a pact and as it stands neither candidate has given any indication that they want to do it - in fact they both seem to want to take on Reform on their own turf which would be electoral suicide for both the Tories and Reform. In addition as the other poster pointed out if the Greens, Lib Dens and Labour were to form a pact in response to a Reform/Tory alliance the right would get trounced because their vote share is way lower. The Tories moving to the right is a massive problem for both the Tories and Reform. I'm not convinced either you or "Big Nige" have thought this one through. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 14, 2024 20:23:30 GMT
Contrary to “popular” belief, the aim of Reform was exactly what occurred. They wanted the tories to get trounced so they can play the long game and get the tories interested into forming a “coalition” to battle labour at the next election. Big Nige isn’t thick and he explained as much when he threw his hat in the ring at the last election. Mark my words, the next election will not be a foregone conclusion as most think no matter what Starmer does or most likely doesn’t do to get this country out of a very deep hole. You are right that if the Tories and Reform collaborate and Labour go it alone the next election will not be a foregone conclusion. However whatever "Big Nige" wants to happen it will require the Tory leader to want to agree on a pact and as it stands neither candidate has given any indication that they want to do it - in fact they both seem to want to take on Reform on their own turf which would be electoral suicide for both the Tories and Reform. In addition as the other poster pointed out if the Greens, Lib Dens and Labour were to form a pact in response to a Reform/Tory alliance the right would get trounced because their vote share is way lower. The Tories moving to the right is a massive problem for both the Tories and Reform. I'm not convinced either you or "Big Nige" have thought this one through. I shall revisit this post in a couple of years. Labour are too arrogant and others don’t subscribe to their outlook to form a coalition |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 14, 2024 21:38:24 GMT
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 14, 2024 21:50:40 GMT
You are right that if the Tories and Reform collaborate and Labour go it alone the next election will not be a foregone conclusion. However whatever "Big Nige" wants to happen it will require the Tory leader to want to agree on a pact and as it stands neither candidate has given any indication that they want to do it - in fact they both seem to want to take on Reform on their own turf which would be electoral suicide for both the Tories and Reform. In addition as the other poster pointed out if the Greens, Lib Dens and Labour were to form a pact in response to a Reform/Tory alliance the right would get trounced because their vote share is way lower. The Tories moving to the right is a massive problem for both the Tories and Reform. I'm not convinced either you or "Big Nige" have thought this one through. I shall revisit this post in a couple of years. Labour are too arrogant and others don’t subscribe to their outlook to form a coalition The Lib Dems and Greens would bite Labour's hand off if Labour offered an electoral pact based on the introduction of PR (which would be a condition of any pact) - all three parties have common ground in terms of a socially progressive agenda and with the Tories going to yhe right would attract the centre ground vote that is key to winning at a general election. I do agree that Labour (under Starmer at least) would be the main stumbling block for any alliance. The Tories and Reform might indeed form an alliance but at the moment it really doesn't look to be on the table and it is in the Tory's court to form one, not Reform's. |
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Post by wannabee on Oct 14, 2024 23:27:05 GMT
This is a good example, there are many, why GBeebies should not be considered a News Outlet but a Media Propaganda Outlet. There is no Editorial filter that challenges what are clearly incorrect statements being made. ECHR was adopted into UK Law via the Human Rights Act 1998 the only exclusions being Protocols 7 and 12, the former being procedural and the later covered by Protocol 14. Jenrick disingenuously cites Clause 39 of ECHR as a reason deportations didn't take place to Rwanda. ECHR has no authority to overrule UK Courts. A petition was made to ECHR and the Strasbourg Court requested a temporary pause allowing UK Courts to consider if deportations were Legal UNDER UK LAW. The UK High Court and Supreme Court both found that the deportations were illegal under the UK HUMAN RIGHTS SCT 1998. Specifically Section 6 of HRA 1998 makes it illegal to act in a way that is incompatible with ECHR. If there is to be a debate about leaving ECHR, I doubt there will be while Labour is in Government, at least make the case using actual facts not made up rubbish. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 15, 2024 1:25:21 GMT
Mark my words, the next election will not be a foregone conclusion as most think. What is the 'foregone conclusion' that most people currently think it will be? |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Oct 15, 2024 5:25:43 GMT
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Post by adri2008 on Oct 15, 2024 6:14:27 GMT
Badenoch is really scraping the barrel now. She doesn’t think schools or employers should make special efforts for neurodiversity. Apparently there are economic benefits to being neurodiverse!? She really is an awful human being who has no idea what it is like to have a neurodiverse family member. I think she's just a bit thick. Picking fights over things she has no idea about to sound tough. It'll probably appeal to Tory members though who still think we're living in the 1980s. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 15, 2024 7:28:41 GMT
Badenoch is really scraping the barrel now. She doesn’t think schools or employers should make special efforts for neurodiversity. Apparently there are economic benefits to being neurodiverse!? She really is an awful human being who has no idea what it is like to have a neurodiverse family member. I think she's just a bit thick. Picking fights over things she has no idea about to sound tough. It'll probably appeal to Tory members though who still think we're living in the 1980s. Making autistic children a culture war issue seems politically bonkers to me. Unless this country really is full of heartless bastards (like the Tory party membership). |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 15, 2024 7:49:32 GMT
Hardly looks delighted at the prospect. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Oct 15, 2024 7:58:52 GMT
Hardly looks delighted at the prospect. Beggars can't be choosers. |
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Post by adri2008 on Oct 15, 2024 8:08:15 GMT
I think she's just a bit thick. Picking fights over things she has no idea about to sound tough. It'll probably appeal to Tory members though who still think we're living in the 1980s. Making autistic children a culture war issue seems politically bonkers to me. Unless this country really is full of heartless bastards (like the Tory party membership). I think it's more a war against people off sick which will have an audience amongst certain parts of the electorate no doubt. Getting people back into work is critical if we don't want high levels of migration but taking away support is hardly going to achieve that. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 15, 2024 8:30:49 GMT
Making autistic children a culture war issue seems politically bonkers to me. Unless this country really is full of heartless bastards (like the Tory party membership). I think it's more a war against people off sick which will have an audience amongst certain parts of the electorate no doubt. Getting people back into work is critical if we don't want high levels of migration but taking away support is hardly going to achieve that. If she meant that, she should have said that. Why bring neurodiversity into it, unless she is saying she knows more about these things than doctors!? I hope Jendrick wins. He is a complete nutter with no understanding about human rights legislation, but at least he isn’t nearly as hateful and nasty as Badenoch. |
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Post by adri2008 on Oct 15, 2024 8:42:20 GMT
I think it's more a war against people off sick which will have an audience amongst certain parts of the electorate no doubt. Getting people back into work is critical if we don't want high levels of migration but taking away support is hardly going to achieve that. If she meant that, she should have said that. Why bring neurodiversity into it, unless she is saying she knows more about these things than doctors!? I hope Jendrick wins. He is a complete nutter with no understanding about human rights legislation, but at least he isn’t nearly as hateful and nasty as Badenoch. Like I say, I think she's just a bit thick or at the least doesn't understand the nuances between different types of mental illness. Autism is a completely different kettle of fish obviously. I have an autistic daughter so I'm very much aware of the difficulties involved in educating a child in a typical school environment. Jenrick is quite obviously full of shit but he's saying what he thinks the members want to hear so as to con them into voting for him (might succeed). I suspect he's quite centrist in belief and more in the David Cameron mould which would have members wailing and gnashing their teeth. |
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Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 15, 2024 10:58:47 GMT
If she meant that, she should have said that. Why bring neurodiversity into it, unless she is saying she knows more about these things than doctors!? I hope Jendrick wins. He is a complete nutter with no understanding about human rights legislation, but at least he isn’t nearly as hateful and nasty as Badenoch. Like I say, I think she's just a bit thick or at the least doesn't understand the nuances between different types of mental illness. Autism is a completely different kettle of fish obviously. I have an autistic daughter so I'm very much aware of the difficulties involved in educating a child in a typical school environment. Jenrick is quite obviously full of shit but he's saying what he thinks the members want to hear so as to con them into voting for him (might succeed). I suspect he's quite centrist in belief and more in the David Cameron mould which would have members wailing and gnashing their teeth. Oh, Jenrick is a natural centrist. He literally campaigned to remain in the EU saying that leaving it would lead the UK into a dystopia. In the mid 2010's, the nickname his Tory chums used to give him was “Robert Generic” as a result of his very centrist, mild and moderate politics. Now the wannabe right-wing knuckle dragger wants to leave the European Convention on Human Rights to stop immigration, despite the Northern Ireland Affairs Committee stating that it is unlikely the UK could withdraw from it without triggering a review procedure built into the Good Friday Agreement, amongst other things. Conservatives now have the rather hilarious dichotomous dilemma of having to choose between a man who does not believe a word of what he is saying, and a woman who doesn't understand a word of what she is saying. |
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Post by elystokie on Oct 15, 2024 11:14:39 GMT
'Conservatives now have the rather hilarious dichotomous dilemma of having to choose between a man who does not believe a word of what he is saying, and a woman who doesn't understand a word of what she is saying.'
Brilliant 👏
Have a gold star ⭐
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Post by Eggybread on Oct 15, 2024 11:52:11 GMT
Doesnt surprise me one bit.In fact Id be more shocked if he didnt. |
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Post by wannabee on Oct 20, 2024 15:32:49 GMT
There are still some sane Conservatives
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 26, 2024 2:21:01 GMT
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Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 29, 2024 21:47:58 GMT
"There were quite a few adults posing as children", he says......  |
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Post by elystokie on Oct 31, 2024 4:09:41 GMT
Since, just like the 🍊🤡, you can't believe a word he says, folk may as well buy summat by JK Rowling. |
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Post by Ariel Manto on Nov 1, 2024 18:57:57 GMT
The voting has now closed in the Conservative leadership contest. The result will be announced on Saturday.
This has been a contest of upsets where Kemi Badenoch, Robert Jenrick, and James Cleverly have all been the favourite - but there is a > 90%+ probability that Badenoch has won
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 1, 2024 18:59:31 GMT
The voting has now closed in the Conservative leadership contest. The result will be announced on Saturday. This has been a contest of upsets where Kemi Badenoch, Robert Jenrick, and James Cleverly have all been the favourite - but there is a > 90%+ probability that Badenoch has won I’m hoping Jenrick wins and Badenoch joins Big Nige and Super Ricky Tice |
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