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Post by BuzzB on Sept 28, 2024 21:53:25 GMT
Gibson made 104 passes! I'd be amazed if one of our central defenders had ever done that before. Own half passesBoro 192 Stoke 361 Opposition half passesBoro 240 Stoke 82 Opposition box touchesBoro 38 Stoke 10 Most passesGibson 104
Wilmot 69
Thompson 63Hackney 61 Ayling 59 Morris 58 Edmundson 50 Borges 44 Rose 36 McGree 36 Tchamadeu 30
Bocat 29Dijksteel 28 Johansson 24Azaz 2 Bae 22Dieng 21 Burger 18Twice as many passes as Boro in defensive half. Only a third the amount of Boro in the attacking half. Greater than a 4.5 : 1 ratio defensive half : attacking half passes Are those typical stats? Excitement would be at a premium. What season did Stoke start pissing around with the hall at the back? Success seems to have been thin on the ground. I think it was a preseason friendly under Hughes, St Pauli in Germany. Shawcross looked way out of his depth, we were ripped to bits with a stupid 3 at the back. Start of our relegation season if I remember right. It was shit then and its shit now. |
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Post by fca47 on Sept 28, 2024 21:58:53 GMT
Only saw the first half but generally was turgid stuff, despite that we had two decent chances. Can't see what he is trying to do apart from sending everyone to sleep.
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Post by wilcopotter on Sept 28, 2024 22:05:00 GMT
It’s overated and will cost us a countless number of goals. I just don’t get what we’re trying to do with this ridiculous slow, passive build up or backwards and sideways passing. We don’t even do it at pace. It’s just ridiculous. Now that Gallaghers back we’d be better off hoofing it up to him and waiting for the loose balls to fall for us or winning the odd foul. Other teams know how to target us as we don’t have the players to play the Man City way. Now that Gallagher back🤣🤣, he’s crap. |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 28, 2024 22:14:36 GMT
It’s a shit way of playing football, it always has been.
It’s only good when you have world class players, we have Jordan fucking Thompson.
I wish everyone would stop trying to emulate that bald knob Pep and his cyborg striker it’s completely killed football it’s shit now.
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Post by robstokie on Sept 28, 2024 22:17:54 GMT
Twice as many passes as Boro in defensive half. Only a third the amount of Boro in the attacking half. Greater than a 4.5 : 1 ratio defensive half : attacking half passes Are those typical stats? Excitement would be at a premium. What season did Stoke start pissing around with the hall at the back? Success seems to have been thin on the ground. I think it was a preseason friendly under Hughes, St Pauli in Germany. Shawcross looked way out of his depth, we were ripped to bits with a stupid 3 at the back. Start of our relegation season if I remember right. It was shit then and its shit now. It's awful, negative, uninspiring and suicidal football. It's great when Man City or prime Barca did it, because they had the players to do it. For us to do it is basically handing the opposition games on a plate. What I don't get is the fact that we have tried to do it for the better part of the last 7 years, without any success from it at all really. What on earth makes the over hyped Spanish Nutty Nathan think it's going to somehow start working now? |
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Post by robstokie on Sept 28, 2024 22:18:42 GMT
It’s a shit way of playing football, it always has been. It’s only good when you have world class players, we have Jordan fucking Thompson. I wish everyone would stop trying to emulate that bald knob Pep and his cyborg striker it’s completely killed football it’s shit now. Don't forget the Stevenage Maldini AKA Ben Fucking Wilmot! |
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Post by march4 on Sept 28, 2024 22:19:36 GMT
If they start that tip tap rubbish on Wednesday night, things will get toxic very quickly.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 28, 2024 22:19:45 GMT
It’s a shit way of playing football, it always has been. It’s only good when you have world class players, we have Jordan fucking Thompson. I wish everyone would stop trying to emulate that bald knob Pep and his cyborg striker it’s completely killed football it’s shit now. Don't forget the Stevenage Maldini AKA Ben Fucking Wilmot! I have a relative with cerebral palsy who cannot walk. He can control and pass a football better than Ben Wilmot. |
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Post by robstokie on Sept 28, 2024 22:24:35 GMT
Don't forget the Stevenage Maldini AKA Ben Fucking Wilmot! I have a relative with cerebral palsy who cannot walk. He can control and pass a football better than Ben Wilmot. My Nan could too - bear in mind she's been dead nearly 12 years and couldn't walk for a good decade or more before that. Her coordination was better than Wilmot too - she smoked 40 a day and successfully lit each and every one without misplacing the lighter/burn herself or the house down. Bet Wilmot couldn't do that! |
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Post by turtlefox on Sept 28, 2024 22:26:53 GMT
Have never been a fan of this kind of attack building, and I'm not a route 1 football fan either, unless it works.
Some teams do it better, we don't seem to. Always feels a tad lucky when it comes off
If the keeper can't pass an accurate ball, 30 meters, with 3, 4 at the back defending ? They should be on minimum wage.
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Post by mrnovember on Sept 28, 2024 22:38:14 GMT
It's like my old Grandad used to tell me on foggy Sunday mornings watching me play Lads n Dads up The Croft "Stop pissing about with the ball at the back. Your centre backs are ponderous and your holding midfielders lack the ability and the dexterity to take the ball on the turn. Additionally, your full backs are easily pressed into playing backwards passes. Now get in the car you useless fat sack of shit and don't let me forget to pick up some mint sauce on the way home." Top bloke.
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Post by jzime on Sept 28, 2024 22:43:33 GMT
Just watched the Chelsea vs Brighton highlights on MOTD. Six goals in that fixture, at least half of them come from teams trying to play out from the back under too much pressure and then eventually making a mistake. Conceding that many goals to silly mistakes is crazy.
I accept that logic that you'll occasionally concede playing that way but, over the course of a whole season it's preferable to always hoofing it out and giving up possession. But some of the goals that get given away in recent years, with squads that very obviously aren't technically good enough to play like 2008 Barcelona, is just silly.
I don't fully understand why coaches at every level of the game are under the thrall of this one specific way of playing. It's not good for the tactical diversity of the sport. Players are basically having all creativity coached out of them and forced to follow very rigid systems rather than feeling empowered to use their best judgement about how to play their way out of situations.
It's actually a pretty weird to think that footballers are, as a whole, technically better than they've ever been but are given a lot less creative than they were 20 years ago.
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Post by Bagwash on Sept 28, 2024 22:59:40 GMT
It’s a shit way of playing football, it always has been. It’s only good when you have world class players, we have Jordan fucking Thompson. I wish everyone would stop trying to emulate that bald knob Pep and his cyborg striker it’s completely killed football it’s shit now. Absolutely spot on. I wish someone would explain to me the advantages of playing this system,it's boring and crap. |
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Post by dirtclod on Sept 28, 2024 23:53:43 GMT
It's a totally shit way of playing football. F*ck Pep Guardiola and the virus he's imposed upon the game. We need 50 plus fans to walk to the center cirtle, gag themselves and throw up on it if this crap continues.
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Post by robstokie on Sept 28, 2024 23:59:21 GMT
It’s a shit way of playing football, it always has been. It’s only good when you have world class players, we have Jordan fucking Thompson. I wish everyone would stop trying to emulate that bald knob Pep and his cyborg striker it’s completely killed football it’s shit now. Absolutely spot on. I wish someone would explain to me the advantages of playing this system,it's boring and crap. Where do I start with the advantages? 1. It allows our more hipster type fans to feel morally superior to fans of other teams eg. Millwall who play a far more direct and robust style. 2. It's pretty on the eye for disciples of possession based football - they can overlook the fact that we do the root sum of fuck all with said possession bar give it away in silly areas that put us under the cosh. 3. It would cure 99%+ of all insomnia cases amongst our match attending fanbase if not for the fact that opposition fans cheer when their team scores rather often just after we lose possession in our defensive third. |
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Post by biddulphchav on Sept 29, 2024 0:55:18 GMT
The aim of playing around at the back is that you draw the other team onto you, pick through the press with intricate passes and take advantage of the extra space up the field to score. The fatal flaw in that plan comes when your players aren’t good enough to beat the press and you piss about, go nowhere and then lose the ball. That’s why my daughter’s U7 team doesn’t try it and Stoke shouldn’t be either. Exactly, and when you have two central midfielders that are totally one footed i think it’s much easier for the opposition to pinch the ball in a press. We need two players in the middle that can take the ball on the half turn and play a pass forwards. Those players need to be brave, but they also need to be composed and basically, better than Thompson or Burger. Yesterday Thompson just bounced the ball back to the CH’s all the time. Absolute shit and it won’t work with him in there. Sadly we’ve flogged Baker to Blackburn but he’s the only one I think that could be effective in that role. Pearson maybe but doubt it. |
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Post by smithypotter on Sept 29, 2024 1:20:28 GMT
Whilst we're on the subject of managers trying to emulate the Guardiola style. I find Man City boring to watch, yes it's technically superior and their accolades reflect that but it's abit drab in the main. Players like De Bruyne and Silva are a joy to watch, the Barca/Spanish teams between 08-12 many of us will probably never see the like again in our lifetime and we're lucky to have lived through it.
The football we played against Middlesbrough was as drab as Pulis 12-13 the difference being the Pulis style may have got a draw or scraped a 0-1 win.
The point still stands that asking far inferior players on a technical level to pull off a very exclusive style is not only going to see us relegated but also bore us to death whilst they're at it. It is also not fair on the players regardless of whether we think they're adequate or not for what we need long term.
I want to see pacey wingers/full backs being direct with some steel through the middle of the pitch whilst we're at it. The last time we had a winger with pace and technical ability for me was the Philogene-Bidace loan under MON and it was mainly wasted, is it honestly too much to ask even for our level?
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Post by kustokie on Sept 29, 2024 1:24:30 GMT
Gibson made 104 passes! I'd be amazed if one of our central defenders had ever done that before. Own half passesBoro 192 Stoke 361 Opposition half passesBoro 240 Stoke 82 Opposition box touchesBoro 38 Stoke 10 Most passesGibson 104
Wilmot 69
Thompson 63Hackney 61 Ayling 59 Morris 58 Edmundson 50 Borges 44 Rose 36 McGree 36 Tchamadeu 30
Bocat 29Dijksteel 28 Johansson 24Azaz 2 Bae 22Dieng 21 Burger 18That’s why Middlesbrough had 26 shots and we had 8. |
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Post by kustokie on Sept 29, 2024 1:25:55 GMT
Twice as many passes as Boro in defensive half. Only a third the amount of Boro in the attacking half. Greater than a 4.5 : 1 ratio defensive half : attacking half passes Are those typical stats? Excitement would be at a premium. What season did Stoke start pissing around with the hall at the back? Success seems to have been thin on the ground. I think it was a preseason friendly under Hughes, St Pauli in Germany. Shawcross looked way out of his depth, we were ripped to bits with a stupid 3 at the back. Start of our relegation season if I remember right. It was shit then and its shit now. I saw the same in Florida. Wolfscheidt was deadful in a back 3 |
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Post by starkiller on Sept 29, 2024 1:36:11 GMT
It’s a shit way of playing football, it always has been. It’s only good when you have world class players, we have Jordan fucking Thompson. I wish everyone would stop trying to emulate that bald knob Pep and his cyborg striker it’s completely killed football it’s shit now. The 'walking the ball into the net' rubbish also robs the game of some of footballs best ingredients. We are trying to walk the ball into our own net. As demonstrated against Hull, and not far off today. |
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Post by smithypotter on Sept 29, 2024 1:49:52 GMT
Just watched the Chelsea vs Brighton highlights on MOTD. Six goals in that fixture, at least half of them come from teams trying to play out from the back under too much pressure and then eventually making a mistake. Conceding that many goals to silly mistakes is crazy. I accept that logic that you'll occasionally concede playing that way but, over the course of a whole season it's preferable to always hoofing it out and giving up possession. But some of the goals that get given away in recent years, with squads that very obviously aren't technically good enough to play like 2008 Barcelona, is just silly. I don't fully understand why coaches at every level of the game are under the thrall of this one specific way of playing. It's not good for the tactical diversity of the sport. Players are basically having all creativity coached out of them and forced to follow very rigid systems rather than feeling empowered to use their best judgement about how to play their way out of situations. It's actually a pretty weird to think that footballers are, as a whole, technically better than they've ever been but are given a lot less creative than they were 20 years ago. Football in general now is so centred on not giving up possession and pressing that it has killed the creative freedom and individualism within players. Only very few stand out from the rest of the pack but players in the vein of Zidane, Ronaldinho will probably never be found in the modern game moving forward. Even our very own number 10's of past Fuller and Arnautovic, these players will be harder to come by because of teams/managers obsession around trying to emulate Pep. |
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Post by starkiller on Sept 29, 2024 2:03:04 GMT
Stats and data ruin everything, from the NHS to education, and now football.
Spreadsheet soccer has given us this 'Great squad™', which is anything but.
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Post by tuum on Sept 29, 2024 2:26:35 GMT
Gibson made 104 passes! I'd be amazed if one of our central defenders had ever done that before. Own half passesBoro 192 Stoke 361 Opposition half passesBoro 240 Stoke 82 Opposition box touchesBoro 38 Stoke 10 Most passesGibson 104
Wilmot 69
Thompson 63Hackney 61 Ayling 59 Morris 58 Edmundson 50 Borges 44 Rose 36 McGree 36 Tchamadeu 30
Bocat 29Dijksteel 28 Johansson 24Azaz 2 Bae 22Dieng 21 Burger 18Don't really do stats but in this case I will make an exception. **** me! Those stats are truly damning! Awful. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 29, 2024 3:42:34 GMT
I reckon some teams do it simply because the managers don't want to be labelled long ball merchants.
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Post by marrer on Sept 29, 2024 4:13:53 GMT
It's like my old Grandad used to tell me on foggy Sunday mornings watching me play Lads n Dads up The Croft "Stop pissing about with the ball at the back. Your centre backs are ponderous and your holding midfielders lack the ability and the dexterity to take the ball on the turn. Additionally, your full backs are easily pressed into playing backwards passes. Now get in the car you useless fat sack of shit and don't let me forget to pick up some mint sauce on the way home." Top bloke. Uplands Croft? |
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Post by bertieb on Sept 29, 2024 4:52:55 GMT
The only players capable of doing this tippy tappy shit are the younger players who have been brought up with it, and they are too young to be all thrown in together in the hurly burly of the championship, catch 22.
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Post by Trouserdog on Sept 29, 2024 5:40:26 GMT
People scoffed at the idea of bringing Pulis back.
We should have done it years ago. Too late now.
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Post by emretezzy on Sept 29, 2024 5:57:53 GMT
Gibson made 104 passes! I'd be amazed if one of our central defenders had ever done that before. Own half passesBoro 192 Stoke 361 Opposition half passesBoro 240 Stoke 82 Opposition box touchesBoro 38 Stoke 10 Most passesGibson 104
Wilmot 69
Thompson 63Hackney 61 Ayling 59 Morris 58 Edmundson 50 Borges 44 Rose 36 McGree 36 Tchamadeu 30
Bocat 29Dijksteel 28 Johansson 24Azaz 2 Bae 22Dieng 21 Burger 18I hadn't seen the stats but that's exactly what it looked like on the eye. As pointless and pathetic as you can play a football game. |
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Post by creweoatcake1 on Sept 29, 2024 6:07:29 GMT
Gary Neville has just hit the nail on the head after watching Wolves pass it round pointlessly whilst losing. GET THE BALL AS QUICK AS YOU CAN, ACCURATLEY, TO YOUR BEST PLAYERS, AS HIGH UP THE PITCH AS POSSIBLE. Football is easy. Always has been. You get stuck trying be Pep whilst in the bottom half of the Championship, it's an absolute fucking myth that passing to Gibson and Wilmot 1000 times is progressive. Fuck Off!! Back in the Waddington Days didn’t they put Hudson in a different colour shirt (in training) with the intention of getting the ball to him as quickly as possible? I was there yesterday and that was as BAD as i have seen and yes I was there the day we were beaten by Blyth Spartans! |
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Post by creweoatcake1 on Sept 29, 2024 6:13:02 GMT
Burger and Thompson is the midfield, the 10 role doesn’t come in if you can’t get the ball to them? I keep saying it’s nothing to do with systems they are just not good enough they can’t do it. Tell me when we had a worse back4, midfield and forward line? I can’t remember. Out of that side only the goalkeeper just and Manhoef deserve to be in the 11? Am I wrong? What can you expect other than what we are getting? I bet Narcis can believe the deal he’s been handed. Explain how we won at Plymouth then with the same team? THIS CLOWN WASN’T IN CHARGE! |
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