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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Sept 28, 2024 16:25:32 GMT
It’s overated and will cost us a countless number of goals.
I just don’t get what we’re trying to do with this ridiculous slow, passive build up or backwards and sideways passing. We don’t even do it at pace. It’s just ridiculous.
Now that Gallaghers back we’d be better off hoofing it up to him and waiting for the loose balls to fall for us or winning the odd foul.
Other teams know how to target us as we don’t have the players to play the Man City way.
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Post by tejstokie on Sept 28, 2024 16:28:30 GMT
It’s overated and will cost us a countless number of goals. I just don’t get what we’re trying to do with this ridiculous slow, passive build up or backwards and sideways passing. We don’t even do it at pace. It’s just ridiculous. Now that Gallaghers back we’d be better off hoofing it up to him and waiting for the loose balls to fall for us or winning the odd foul. Other teams know how to target us as we don’t have the players to play the Man City way. I've seen enough of Gibson trying to turn with the ball at foot versus the vapidness (sarcasm) of Boros midfield today to wholeheartedly agree. Hoof it. We don't have the players for that shit. |
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Post by questionable on Sept 28, 2024 16:30:54 GMT
There’s a walking over 50’s team local to us and it’s exactly the same.
How on earth can this bloke rock up and think I know let’s……
It’s training ground stuff at lads n dads at the very best
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Post by milky on Sept 28, 2024 16:31:45 GMT
It’s overated and will cost us a countless number of goals. I just don’t get what we’re trying to do with this ridiculous slow, passive build up or backwards and sideways passing. We don’t even do it at pace. It’s just ridiculous. Now that Gallaghers back we’d be better off hoofing it up to him and waiting for the loose balls to fall for us or winning the odd foul. Other teams know how to target us as we don’t have the players to play the Man City way. It was summed up for me when Gibson panicked and put the ball straight into touch as he was closed down. We simply don't have the players for it. Very few in this league have. |
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Post by superpotter on Sept 28, 2024 16:32:18 GMT
There’s a walking over 50’s team local to us and it’s exactly the same. How on earth can this bloke rock up and think I know let’s…… It’s training ground stuff at lads n dads at the very best I said the same thing I actually think the walking football team is better to watch |
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Post by wrighter on Sept 28, 2024 16:33:19 GMT
what does it achieve ?
fcuk all
we are NOT Mancity
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Post by questionable on Sept 28, 2024 16:33:29 GMT
There’s a walking over 50’s team local to us and it’s exactly the same. How on earth can this bloke rock up and think I know let’s…… It’s training ground stuff at lads n dads at the very best I said the same thing I actually think the walking football team is better to watch Just need a bell in the ball now |
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Post by figo85 on Sept 28, 2024 16:35:28 GMT
We’ve a trio of the worst footballing centre backs in the clubs history, so what they’ve seen in training this week to think that this is the best way forward, temporary or otherwise, is scary.
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Post by Los Alfareros on Sept 28, 2024 16:38:14 GMT
Awful, awful and painful to watch.
But not many will be soon if that carries on.
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Post by swampySCFC on Sept 28, 2024 16:38:30 GMT
Fleetwood is about the level of this squad. And I don’t mean to be rude to them
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Post by greystokie on Sept 28, 2024 16:42:37 GMT
What makes it even worse is that there's no movement in midfield to give them an outlet so it just keeps going from side to side until a player gets closed down and it gets hoofed aimlessly
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 28, 2024 16:42:40 GMT
It’s overated and will cost us a countless number of goals. I just don’t get what we’re trying to do with this ridiculous slow, passive build up or backwards and sideways passing. We don’t even do it at pace. It’s just ridiculous. Now that Gallaghers back we’d be better off hoofing it up to him and waiting for the loose balls to fall for us or winning the odd foul. Other teams know how to target us as we don’t have the players to play the Man City way. It was summed up for me when Gibson panicked and put the ball straight into touch as he was closed down. We simply don't have the players for it. Very few in this league have. Very few in the Premier league can do it in reality. Its like some contagion that's infected football. The best thing I see is grass roots football where the 442 no nonsense boys who aren't shy to stick plenty of balls over the top piss all over the tippy tappy man city wannabes brigade. Pulis would love it. |
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Post by cod on Sept 28, 2024 16:46:07 GMT
I wouldn't mind if they could fo it in the middle and final third too. But they can only do it across the back line. It is fairly po8ntless snd mind numbing.
I like the new manager and will be patient but like others have said he has got to cur his cloth according to what he's got to some extent.
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Post by smithypotter on Sept 28, 2024 16:47:32 GMT
The obsession with managers constantly trying to emulate Guardiola football is infuriating when they all fail to realise you need world class players to pull it off. It works in the Spanish league because it's part of the culture taught all the way through the youth system/schools. British and French football is built on athleticism, pace, power etc.
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Post by tuum on Sept 28, 2024 17:05:19 GMT
Awful, awful and painful to watch. But not many will be soon if that carries on. This is a good point. We have created next to nothing in the last 135mins of championship football and we look like creating nothing in the future with this style of play. It is dull as dishwater. People will accept it if we are winning but will quickly switch off if we do not improve on today and 2nd half Hull. NP has to be given time but he has not started well. |
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Post by skidog on Sept 28, 2024 17:06:54 GMT
The very first thing any manager should do is to set up to play to the teams strengths, if our current coach believes playing out from the back if our strength then he needs fookn off asap. All this about ‘he needs time’ sorry, but if we played these players from now to eternity it would make absolutely no difference, the players we have do not have and will never the technical ability to play this way.
This current shitshow can be laid firmly at the feet of Walters, insane appointment and just not what we needed. Gave it all as a very average player but now completely out of his depth.
Christ on a bike what a shitshow of a club we are!!
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Post by pretzel on Sept 28, 2024 17:08:33 GMT
Each time he tries this, we're going to get beat.
Do I think he's going to change his mind about using this tactic? Sadly no
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 28, 2024 17:11:05 GMT
It’s overated and will cost us a countless number of goals. I just don’t get what we’re trying to do with this ridiculous slow, passive build up or backwards and sideways passing. We don’t even do it at pace. It’s just ridiculous. Now that Gallaghers back we’d be better off hoofing it up to him and waiting for the loose balls to fall for us or winning the odd foul. Other teams know how to target us as we don’t have the players to play the Man City way. We don't have the players to play the Vale way. |
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Post by telfordstokie on Sept 28, 2024 17:12:38 GMT
The aim of playing around at the back is that you draw the other team onto you, pick through the press with intricate passes and take advantage of the extra space up the field to score. The fatal flaw in that plan comes when your players aren’t good enough to beat the press and you piss about, go nowhere and then lose the ball. That’s why my daughter’s U7 team doesn’t try it and Stoke shouldn’t be either.
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Post by peterpan1 on Sept 28, 2024 17:13:12 GMT
It’s overated and will cost us a countless number of goals. I just don’t get what we’re trying to do with this ridiculous slow, passive build up or backwards and sideways passing. We don’t even do it at pace. It’s just ridiculous. Now that Gallaghers back we’d be better off hoofing it up to him and waiting for the loose balls to fall for us or winning the odd foul. Other teams know how to target us as we don’t have the players to play the Man City way. The question is, what exactly does it achieve ?? |
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Post by wrighter on Sept 28, 2024 17:14:23 GMT
i played CH at a reasonable level and was drummed into me
Boot the bloody thing clear if no obvious pass available and
NEVER EVER pass the ball across your goal area
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Post by andyapotter on Sept 28, 2024 17:16:07 GMT
I said the same thing I actually think the walking football team is better to watch Just need a bell in the ball now This could be the answer!!! |
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Post by kjpt140v on Sept 28, 2024 17:16:23 GMT
I thought Rowlett had come back.
People are saying we should give the new coach time, but the sad fact is we now know the style of football he prefers. It is not nice, it is not ambitious it is not exciting, and most importantly it will not win us games.
I don't blame any of the players, if you tell me they are not good enough, I say it is not their fault they are playing, they didn't put their own name on the sheet.
We,as a team have within two games gone back five seasons in our capabilities, and no matter what anybody says Schumacher was taking us forward. The progress may have been slow, but two weeks ago we were in a better place than we are today.
I would like to see Coates, Walters, and the manager gone as soon as possible, and if at all possible Schumacher reinstated. Between them Walters and Coates have torn the heart out of the club and the supporters.
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Post by stokecitydom on Sept 28, 2024 17:18:41 GMT
The argument of “we are trying to be Man City” & “very few teams can do it” is nonsense. The idea is to keep the ball, draw the opponent towards the ball and beat the press.
It’s not rocket science & footballers at this level should be able to comfortably control and play a ball around even under relative pressure. Time and time again since our return to Division one I’ve seen opponents retain the ball and build up patiently.
As a fanbase, we moan so much when a ball is played backwards and sideways. We have to accept that at times it needs to be done, but I constantly hear “launch it forward” etc.
Now the problem is the manager seems set on his philosophy that he can’t see the wood for the trees. This group cannot do what he wants, even at a basic level. You have Wilmott & Gibson who just can’t do it and they will never be comfortable at doing it. Infront of them you have Thompson in a role that is vital to how Pèlach wants to play. He’s simply not a Championship level player. You need someone who can play forwards and be brave in possession & Thompson is the opposite of that.
This is what makes it pure madness to sack a manager just after the transfer window closes & bring in someone who’s principles differ so greatly from what the squad is capable of.
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Post by xchpotter on Sept 28, 2024 17:23:31 GMT
Have to say this was the worst I’ve ever seen it. Its absolute bollocks, boring shite. It’s not like we did anything with it when our lumps got too pressured and no lazy twat could be bothered to move for a pass. We are the least suited club in football to play this crap….get it gone.
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Post by northernstokie on Sept 28, 2024 17:26:50 GMT
I get the idea as We are not fit enough to press for 90 mins but wr don't have the players to do it
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Post by superpotter on Sept 28, 2024 17:36:06 GMT
Watched Thompson today after 15 minutes he hadn’t passed it forward once . Guaranteed place on the team Wednesday.
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Post by jokker on Sept 28, 2024 17:37:08 GMT
There's nothing wrong with passing the ball around the back, sideways and...you just have to have a plan worked out in training for what happens next, i.e. when Gibson has passed to Wilmot for the second time, Bae or Burger will be on hand to take the ball further forwards and pass it to Manhof or Koumas. I don't know why we never try that.
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Post by stokiejoe on Sept 28, 2024 17:40:55 GMT
i played CH at a reasonable level and was drummed into me Boot the bloody thing clear if no obvious pass available and NEVER EVER pass the ball across your goal area Yep exactly what I was taught as well as the ability to kick a ball with either foot! |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 28, 2024 17:41:37 GMT
There's nothing wrong with passing the ball around the back, sideways and...you just have to have a plan worked out in training for what happens next, i.e. when Gibson has passed to Wilmot for the second time, Bae or Burger will be on hand to take the ball further forwards and pass it to Manhof or Koumas. I don't know why we never try that. Because they just stand there watching, Thompson just stood between their forwards, arms length away, making it impossible to actually pass the ball to him, whatever they do in training it doesn't seem to involve movement. |
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