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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 6, 2024 20:31:58 GMT
He was actually an ok right back. Am I imagining him playing at RB at home to Man City once? Might've been an FA Cup replay and we won in extra time? Certain Kitson and Tuncay scored. I think it was the league game in the same week. Faye got sent off in the second half so he moved to full back. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 6, 2024 20:33:26 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 6, 2024 20:42:18 GMT
He was actually an ok right back. Am I imagining him playing at RB at home to Man City once? Might've been an FA Cup replay and we won in extra time? Certain Kitson and Tuncay scored. Think you are. It was a good use of what he was good at and tbh he played some football there too. Which I don’t think he did much of centrally. Anyway, yeah let’s hope he’s a better coach than he was a player  |
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Oct 6, 2024 21:02:50 GMT
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Post by Marc01 on Oct 6, 2024 21:02:50 GMT
His efforts alongside others kept us comfortably in the Premier league. For that he has my respect He was bought to replace Whelan and never could. And Whelan really was just above average. Is it true that Dean Whitehead was signed as Glen Whelan’s “replacement” despite being 2 years older? Whelan was here 2007/08 to 2016/17 Whitehead 2009/10 to 2012/13 In the four seasons they were here together: GW PL games: 25(8) 33 14(15) 29 27(3) 30 31(1) 32 DW PL games: 33(3) 36, 31(6) 37, 24(9) 33 12(14) 26 197(59) 256 PL appearances between them in those four seasons: GW 97(27) 124 DW 100(32) 132 TP judged both as being effective enough to contribute to our stay in the PL…. Looks like he was right… |
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Oct 6, 2024 21:21:34 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 6, 2024 21:21:34 GMT
He was bought to replace Whelan and never could. And Whelan really was just above average. Is it true that Dean Whitehead was signed as Glen Whelan’s “replacement” despite being 2 years older? Whelan was here 2007/08 to 2016/17 Whitehead 2009/10 to 2012/13 In the four seasons they were here together: GW PL games: 25(8) 33 14(15) 29 27(3) 30 31(1) 32 DW PL games: 33(3) 36, 31(6) 37, 24(9) 33 12(14) 26 197(59) 256 PL appearances between them in those four seasons: GW 97(27) 124 DW 100(32) 132 TP judged both as being effective enough to contribute to our stay in the PL…. Looks like he was right… Whitehead was never as good as Whelan at anything. He was bought for very good money at the time and couldn’t displace him in the side. An awful signing. But he ran a lot so got a free pass. |
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Oct 6, 2024 21:27:18 GMT
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Post by lordb on Oct 6, 2024 21:27:18 GMT
Is it true that Dean Whitehead was signed as Glen Whelan’s “replacement” despite being 2 years older? Whelan was here 2007/08 to 2016/17 Whitehead 2009/10 to 2012/13 In the four seasons they were here together: GW PL games: 25(8) 33 14(15) 29 27(3) 30 31(1) 32 DW PL games: 33(3) 36, 31(6) 37, 24(9) 33 12(14) 26 197(59) 256 PL appearances between them in those four seasons: GW 97(27) 124 DW 100(32) 132 TP judged both as being effective enough to contribute to our stay in the PL…. Looks like he was right… Whitehead was never as good as Whelan at anything. He was bought for very good money at the time and couldn’t displace him in the side. An awful signing. But he ran a lot so got a free pass. He was better at fouling |
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Post by PotterLog on Oct 6, 2024 21:45:08 GMT
Is it true that Dean Whitehead was signed as Glen Whelan’s “replacement” despite being 2 years older? Whelan was here 2007/08 to 2016/17 Whitehead 2009/10 to 2012/13 In the four seasons they were here together: GW PL games: 25(8) 33 14(15) 29 27(3) 30 31(1) 32 DW PL games: 33(3) 36, 31(6) 37, 24(9) 33 12(14) 26 197(59) 256 PL appearances between them in those four seasons: GW 97(27) 124 DW 100(32) 132 TP judged both as being effective enough to contribute to our stay in the PL…. Looks like he was right… Whitehead was never as good as Whelan at anything. He was bought for very good money at the time and couldn’t displace him in the side. An awful signing. But he ran a lot so got a free pass. We must have spent about 25m on “Whelan upgrades” that never ended up taking his place in the team |
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Oct 6, 2024 21:46:34 GMT
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 6, 2024 21:46:34 GMT
Is it true that Dean Whitehead was signed as Glen Whelan’s “replacement” despite being 2 years older? Whelan was here 2007/08 to 2016/17 Whitehead 2009/10 to 2012/13 In the four seasons they were here together: GW PL games: 25(8) 33 14(15) 29 27(3) 30 31(1) 32 DW PL games: 33(3) 36, 31(6) 37, 24(9) 33 12(14) 26 197(59) 256 PL appearances between them in those four seasons: GW 97(27) 124 DW 100(32) 132 TP judged both as being effective enough to contribute to our stay in the PL…. Looks like he was right… Whitehead was never as good as Whelan at anything. He was bought for very good money at the time and couldn’t displace him in the side. An awful signing. But he ran a lot so got a free pass. TP did sign an awful lot of players from Sunderland. I'm sure it was just coincidence. |
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Oct 6, 2024 21:48:56 GMT
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Post by RF10 on Oct 6, 2024 21:48:56 GMT
I never forget ones of my late friends hatred for Whitehead. Every time I saw him it was one of the first things he used to bring up on how bad he was.
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Post by Marc01 on Oct 6, 2024 21:49:38 GMT
Is it true that Dean Whitehead was signed as Glen Whelan’s “replacement” despite being 2 years older? Whelan was here 2007/08 to 2016/17 Whitehead 2009/10 to 2012/13 In the four seasons they were here together: GW PL games: 25(8) 33 14(15) 29 27(3) 30 31(1) 32 DW PL games: 33(3) 36, 31(6) 37, 24(9) 33 12(14) 26 197(59) 256 PL appearances between them in those four seasons: GW 97(27) 124 DW 100(32) 132 TP judged both as being effective enough to contribute to our stay in the PL…. Looks like he was right… Whitehead was never as good as Whelan at anything. He was bought for very good money at the time and couldn’t displace him in the side. An awful signing. But he ran a lot so got a free pass. His efforts alongside others kept us comfortably in the Premier league. For that he has my respect . And Whelan really was just above average. Obviously, DW was signed to play football for Stoke City in the PL. His appearance record in the four years he was here show that’s exactly what he did. Started 84% PL games in his first two seasons and 2 in every 3 on average in his 4 years here. Only 20 games out of 152 where he wasn’t involved at all. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Oct 7, 2024 3:50:18 GMT
Whitehead was never as good as Whelan at anything. He was bought for very good money at the time and couldn’t displace him in the side. An awful signing. But he ran a lot so got a free pass. He was bought to replace Whelan and never could. And Whelan really was just above average. Obviously, DW was signed to play football for Stoke City in the PL. His appearance record in the four years he was here show that’s exactly what he did. Started 84% PL games in his first two seasons and 2 in every 3 on average in his 4 years here. Only 20 games out of 152 where he wasn’t involved at all. As the Oatcake’s own footballing expert (Bayern) concludes an awful professional footballer with about 230 premiership games in a total of over 500 professional appearances to his name. You can’t argue about it. He’s still mourning the loss of his love child was it to the 2nd tier of the Belgian League? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 7, 2024 5:59:13 GMT
Whitehead was never as good as Whelan at anything. He was bought for very good money at the time and couldn’t displace him in the side. An awful signing. But he ran a lot so got a free pass. We must have spent about 25m on “Whelan upgrades” that never ended up taking his place in the team Yeah it really was pathetic. We only ever had 3 midfielders that did a good job for us in the PL. Quite the achievement in 10 years. Tbh have we had one since relegation? Ie do a good job in this league? Burger has flirted with such mythical status. |
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Post by Northy on Oct 7, 2024 7:48:24 GMT
Very innocuous Robbed of a perfect legitimate winner by that twat Alan Wiley |
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Post by rowleyscfc on Oct 7, 2024 8:15:04 GMT
Regardless of what Bayern thinks a limited footballer is, Whitehead made over 300 top flight appearances you don't do that without having a top level of ability.
To put it in perspective he made 600+ Professional appearances whilst Bayern has made 600+ posts calling him very average
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Oct 7, 2024 8:15:17 GMT
We must have spent about 25m on “Whelan upgrades” that never ended up taking his place in the team Yeah it really was pathetic. We only ever had 3 midfielders that did a good job for us in the PL. Quite the achievement in 10 years. Tbh have we had one since relegation? Ie do a good job in this league? Burger has flirted with such mythical status. I doubt we would have lasted 10 years in the Prem with only 3 midfielders that 'did a good job'. |
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Post by a on Oct 7, 2024 8:24:34 GMT
🙂↔️ another insightful commentary from chief narcissist I see
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Oct 7, 2024 11:17:04 GMT
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Post by pavel on Oct 7, 2024 11:17:04 GMT
Whitehead was a terrible footballer despite his top flight appearances, he had a great engine but no composure. His party piece which was a constant in his time at Stoke, was to win the ball and then immediately lose it again in a more dangerous position.
….. and yes he did have the odd good game and always gave his all.
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 7, 2024 11:58:27 GMT
We must have spent about 25m on “Whelan upgrades” that never ended up taking his place in the team Yeah it really was pathetic. We only ever had 3 midfielders that did a good job for us in the PL. Quite the achievement in 10 years. Tbh have we had one since relegation? Ie do a good job in this league? Burger has flirted with such mythical status. In our most successful decade post the 70s? We had 3 midfielders who did a good job? Self parody at its finest. |
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Post by PotterLog on Oct 7, 2024 12:50:08 GMT
Yeah it really was pathetic. We only ever had 3 midfielders that did a good job for us in the PL. Quite the achievement in 10 years. Tbh have we had one since relegation? Ie do a good job in this league? Burger has flirted with such mythical status. In our most successful decade post the 70s? We had 3 midfielders who did a good job? Self parody at its finest. Well which ones out of Olofinjana, Diao, Faye, Palacios, Arismendi, Sidwell, Tonge, Soares, van Ginkel, Cameron are you leaping to the defence of? After that you’ve got Zonzi, Whelan and Delap which are the ones he means, then Charlie Adam (I fucking loved him but he was hardly without his critics), Joe Allen who will be forever linked with our execrable decline…. Affelay I suppose you could make a case for but he hardly played really. It’s an entirely uncontroversial point, look beyond the username for once |
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Oct 7, 2024 15:52:28 GMT
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Post by Rt Hon Reverend Luvpump on Oct 7, 2024 15:52:28 GMT
I find it amazing Whiteheads head is still as big as it was when he played for us.
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Post by stantheman on Oct 7, 2024 16:21:39 GMT
Is it true that Dean Whitehead was signed as Glen Whelan’s “replacement” despite being 2 years older? Whelan was here 2007/08 to 2016/17 Whitehead 2009/10 to 2012/13 In the four seasons they were here together: GW PL games: 25(8) 33 14(15) 29 27(3) 30 31(1) 32 DW PL games: 33(3) 36, 31(6) 37, 24(9) 33 12(14) 26 197(59) 256 PL appearances between them in those four seasons: GW 97(27) 124 DW 100(32) 132 TP judged both as being effective enough to contribute to our stay in the PL…. Looks like he was right… Whitehead was never as good as Whelan at anything. He was bought for very good money at the time and couldn’t displace him in the side. An awful signing. But he ran a lot so got a free pass. How many times can you bang the same drum, and post the same dross, on the same subject? Give it a rest |
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Oct 7, 2024 16:40:07 GMT
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 7, 2024 16:40:07 GMT
I find it amazing Whiteheads head is still as big as it was when he played for us. Your nose and ears get bigger as you get older. Some old men look like they've got dinner plates stuck to their heads |
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 7, 2024 17:32:45 GMT
In our most successful decade post the 70s? We had 3 midfielders who did a good job? Self parody at its finest. Well which ones out of Olofinjana, Diao, Faye, Palacios, Arismendi, Sidwell, Tonge, Soares, van Ginkel, Cameron are you leaping to the defence of? After that you’ve got Zonzi, Whelan and Delap which are the ones he means, then Charlie Adam (I fucking loved him but he was hardly without his critics), Joe Allen who will be forever linked with our execrable decline…. Affelay I suppose you could make a case for but he hardly played really. It’s an entirely uncontroversial point, look beyond the username for once Diao did a decent job. Affelay too. Also depends what you’re defining as a midfielder. Shaquiri was a wide midfielder frequently. Ireland? Lawrence? I long for the days when we fielded shit midfielders like those who made us Premier League fixtures. So yeah it is attention seeking bollocks. As per usual. |
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Post by PotterLog on Oct 7, 2024 17:58:32 GMT
Well which ones out of Olofinjana, Diao, Faye, Palacios, Arismendi, Sidwell, Tonge, Soares, van Ginkel, Cameron are you leaping to the defence of? After that you’ve got Zonzi, Whelan and Delap which are the ones he means, then Charlie Adam (I fucking loved him but he was hardly without his critics), Joe Allen who will be forever linked with our execrable decline…. Affelay I suppose you could make a case for but he hardly played really. It’s an entirely uncontroversial point, look beyond the username for once Diao did a decent job. Affelay too. Also depends what you’re defining as a midfielder. Shaquiri was a wide midfielder frequently. Ireland? Lawrence? I long for the days when we fielded shit midfielders like those who made us Premier League fixtures. So yeah it is attention seeking bollocks. As per usual. Diao was superb in the Champ but well past cutting it in the Prem. And to me it’s clear we’re talking about bona fide 6 or 8s, so not Bojan, Arnie, Shaq, Lawrence, etc. It’s totally valid to say we had very few consistently good ones in the Prem (or the Champo for that matter) |
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 7, 2024 18:05:03 GMT
Diao did a decent job. Affelay too. Also depends what you’re defining as a midfielder. Shaquiri was a wide midfielder frequently. Ireland? Lawrence? I long for the days when we fielded shit midfielders like those who made us Premier League fixtures. So yeah it is attention seeking bollocks. As per usual. Diao was superb in the Champ but well past cutting it in the Prem. And to me it’s clear we’re talking about bona fide 6 or 8s, so not Bojan, Arnie, Shaq, Lawrence, etc. It’s totally valid to say we had very few consistently good ones in the Prem (or the Champo for that matter) I’m curious about how we survived then thrived in the Premier League with only three good midfielders. I know TP was good but that’s verging on alchemy. If we’re talking relative to the top 4 then yes all our midfielders were crap. If we’re talking relative to what has followed then even Dean Whitehead looks like Roy Keane. |
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Post by ParaPsych on Oct 7, 2024 19:45:49 GMT
People worrying about Whitehead's coaching abilities based on his playing days, are presumably terrified about the head coach's skills, given he was barely good enough to play for his local Perro & Pato.
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Oct 7, 2024 19:47:32 GMT
I'd be tempted to put Mama Sidibe in good midfielders too.
'Everyone' slagged him because of his scoring record but he spent mush of his time busting a gut chasing the ball in midfield or chasing lost causes and batlling to hold the ball up. Perhaps that's why we got by for 10 years with only 3 midfielders that did a good job.
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Oct 7, 2024 21:12:48 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 7, 2024 21:12:48 GMT
People worrying about Whitehead's coaching abilities based on his playing days, are presumably terrified about the head coach's skills, given he was barely good enough to play for his local Perro & Pato. Not worried about it at all. Shit players usually make better coaches. So it’s a good thing. |
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Oct 7, 2024 21:15:31 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 7, 2024 21:15:31 GMT
Well which ones out of Olofinjana, Diao, Faye, Palacios, Arismendi, Sidwell, Tonge, Soares, van Ginkel, Cameron are you leaping to the defence of? After that you’ve got Zonzi, Whelan and Delap which are the ones he means, then Charlie Adam (I fucking loved him but he was hardly without his critics), Joe Allen who will be forever linked with our execrable decline…. Affelay I suppose you could make a case for but he hardly played really. It’s an entirely uncontroversial point, look beyond the username for once Diao did a decent job. Affelay too. Also depends what you’re defining as a midfielder. Shaquiri was a wide midfielder frequently. Ireland? Lawrence? I long for the days when we fielded shit midfielders like those who made us Premier League fixtures. So yeah it is attention seeking bollocks. As per usual. Diao in the PL? 🤣🤣🤣nah do me a favour. Afellay most will agree with you. I like Ireland but overall he barely played, had too many bad games and was underused. He didn’t work out here. Lawrence was a winger not a central midfielder. Adam was generally awful but scored the odd cracker. |
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Oct 7, 2024 21:18:00 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 7, 2024 21:18:00 GMT
Diao did a decent job. Affelay too. Also depends what you’re defining as a midfielder. Shaquiri was a wide midfielder frequently. Ireland? Lawrence? I long for the days when we fielded shit midfielders like those who made us Premier League fixtures. So yeah it is attention seeking bollocks. As per usual. Diao was superb in the Champ but well past cutting it in the Prem. And to me it’s clear we’re talking about bona fide 6 or 8s, so not Bojan, Arnie, Shaq, Lawrence, etc. It’s totally valid to say we had very few consistently good ones in the Prem (or the Champo for that matter) I mean it’s obvious. Apart from if you’re paranoid about agendas and other such shit. That Diao was thrown in there says it all. Afellay most would say was good so I’ll add him as a 4th. But even Adam was argued about something rotten by lots of fans. He was never consistent. And again I associate him with TP losing it. |
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