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Post by liathroid on Aug 3, 2024 11:17:27 GMT
Well done. But it does have an official name and the Bet365 stadium is a shit name, better to have a name synonymous with the football club like stadiums like the Anfield, Old Trafford or such, which are much better than The Emirates Stadium or the Etihad, named purely after brands. I mean Bolton we’re at the Toughsheet stadium, they clearly have no self respect for the club 🤣 The Brit was a place associated with us, the stand names will never really change for me either to be fair, I still call the biggest one the John Smith for god sake 😅 Err... Firstly the name will change with whoever sponsors us - currently Bet365. When/if that changes to "Someshit Company" expect to be sitting in the SomeShit Stadium. But assuming we (SCFC) could choose the name of the stadium, why the hell would we pick a bankrupt building society? If you want history, we have the "Victoria Ground". we are now in 2024 , history means nothing , money is more important and thats how it works no sponsorship no money |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 3, 2024 11:21:50 GMT
Err... Firstly the name will change with whoever sponsors us - currently Bet365. When/if that changes to "Someshit Company" expect to be sitting in the SomeShit Stadium. But assuming we (SCFC) could choose the name of the stadium, why the hell would we pick a bankrupt building society? If you want history, we have the "Victoria Ground". I think it's more to do with that is it's original name, and that's what people associate it with me included always thought Victoria/Britannia seemed very similar in what they stand for.Oh dear! That's kind of thought provoking The Victoria Ground/Britannia Stadium sponsored by Gammons  |
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Post by i1da on Aug 3, 2024 11:22:08 GMT
Err... Firstly the name will change with whoever sponsors us - currently Bet365. When/if that changes to "Someshit Company" expect to be sitting in the SomeShit Stadium. But assuming we (SCFC) could choose the name of the stadium, why the hell would we pick a bankrupt building society? If you want history, we have the "Victoria Ground". we are now in 2024 , history means nothing , money is more important and thats how it works no sponsorship no money Agree 100%. Just wait .... One day we will no longer be Stoke City, but something like "Samsung Stoke" which will eventually be shortened to ......... Sams Club! |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 3, 2024 11:23:21 GMT
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Post by i1da on Aug 3, 2024 11:24:51 GMT
Err... Firstly the name will change with whoever sponsors us - currently Bet365. When/if that changes to "Someshit Company" expect to be sitting in the SomeShit Stadium. But assuming we (SCFC) could choose the name of the stadium, why the hell would we pick a bankrupt building society? If you want history, we have the "Victoria Ground". I think it's more to do with that is it's original name, and that's what people associate it with me included always thought Victoria/Britannia seemed very similar in what they stand for. You mean it was the name of the first sponsor who are now kaput. The links between Victoria and Britannia were the machinations of a distraught fanbase trying to rationalize the commercialization of their spiritual home. I can just imagine the meltdown if we'd gone straight from The Victoria Ground to Bet365 Stadium! |
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Aug 3, 2024 11:26:57 GMT
I think it's more to do with that is it's original name, and that's what people associate it with me included always thought Victoria/Britannia seemed very similar in what they stand for.Oh dear! That's kind of thought provoking The Victoria Ground/Britannia Stadium sponsored by Gammons I mean a royalty connection Victoria/Britannia that's all. Obviously worded that wrong. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Aug 3, 2024 11:27:32 GMT
we are now in 2024 , history means nothing , money is more important and thats how it works no sponsorship no money Agree 100%. Just wait .... One day we will no longer be Stoke City, but something like "Samsung Stoke" which will eventually be shortened to ......... Sams Club! I don't think made up scenarios re the club changing it's name is really an argument. |
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Aug 3, 2024 11:29:15 GMT
I think it's more to do with that is it's original name, and that's what people associate it with me included always thought Victoria/Britannia seemed very similar in what they stand for. You mean it was the name of the first sponsor who are now kaput. The links between Victoria and Britannia were the machinations of a distraught fanbase trying to rationalize the commercialization of their spiritual home. I can just imagine the meltdown if we'd gone straight from The Victoria Ground to Bet365 Stadium! Everyone wanted the 'new Victoria Ground ' but the club had to have a sponsor for money to build it didn't they? Or at least help to. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 3, 2024 11:30:08 GMT
I think it's more to do with that is it's original name, and that's what people associate it with me included always thought Victoria/Britannia seemed very similar in what they stand for. You mean it was the name of the first sponsor who are now kaput. The links between Victoria and Britannia were the machinations of a distraught fanbase trying to rationalize the commercialization of their spiritual home. I can just imagine the meltdown if we'd gone straight from The Victoria Ground to Bet365 Stadium! Probably. Never ceases to amaze me the things people get emotionally attached to. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 3, 2024 11:32:45 GMT
Oh dear! That's kind of thought provoking The Victoria Ground/Britannia Stadium sponsored by Gammons I mean a royalty connection Victoria/Britannia that's all. Obviously worded that wrong. Not really I think I got the general gist as in some sort of weird nostalgic shit. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 3, 2024 11:34:49 GMT
You mean it was the name of the first sponsor who are now kaput. The links between Victoria and Britannia were the machinations of a distraught fanbase trying to rationalize the commercialization of their spiritual home. I can just imagine the meltdown if we'd gone straight from The Victoria Ground to Bet365 Stadium! Everyone wanted the 'new Victoria Ground ' but the club had to have a sponsor for money to build it didn't they? Or at least help to. Did they I din't think we put that much money into it after the council and St Modwen/Stan Clarke had wedged up. |
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Aug 3, 2024 11:46:52 GMT
Everyone wanted the 'new Victoria Ground ' but the club had to have a sponsor for money to build it didn't they? Or at least help to. Did they I din't think we put that much money into it after the council and St Modwen/Stan Clarke had wedged up. I know it nearly bankrupted the club so imagine sponsorship was important. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Aug 3, 2024 11:50:45 GMT
Did they I din't think we put that much money into it after the council and St Modwen/Stan Clarke had wedged up. I know it nearly bankrupted the club so imagine sponsorship was important. Yep, we had another sponsor lined up and Britannia came along quite late in the day and was much needed extra money. We were pretty much screwed without them. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 3, 2024 11:53:48 GMT
I know it nearly bankrupted the club so imagine sponsorship was important. Yep, we had another sponsor lined up and Britannia came along quite late in the day and was much needed extra money. We were pretty much screwed without them. Fuck I thought the Sheron money would have covered our share. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Aug 3, 2024 12:03:42 GMT
Yep, we had another sponsor lined up and Britannia came along quite late in the day and was much needed extra money. We were pretty much screwed without them. Fuck I thought the Sheron money would have covered our share. We had a grant with it being reclaimed land or similar which covered a good %age We only got something like £250k up front for Sheron I saw the plans before Britannia and wasn't even red and white seats, that worked quite well when they sponsored us . . they were like multi coloured striped seats , the idea came from the New Orleans Superdome where seats looked occupied when empty and was a thing a couple of European clubs were doing. Moxey being a big American sports fan wanted them for the new ground originally. We had 2 stadium plans at the time . Britannia and their name and colours was ideal and obviously more expensive to sponsor as wanted their name and logo on the seats . I think was £1.2 million initially |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 3, 2024 12:08:38 GMT
Fuck I thought the Sheron money would have covered our share. We had a grant with it being reclaimed land or similar which covered a good %age We only got something like £250k up front for Sheron I saw the plans before Britannia and wasn't even red and white seats, that worked quite well when they sponsored us . . they were like multi coloured striped seats , the idea came from the New Orleans Superdome where seats looked occupied when empty and was a thing a couple of European clubs were doing. Moxey being a big American sports fan wanted them for the new ground originally. We had 2 stadium plans at the time . Britannia and their name and colours was ideal and obviously more expensive to sponsor as wanted their name and logo on the seats . I think was £1.2 million initially Pretty amazed I never had the time to read so much about things that I do now at the time. Always thought it had been done on the cheap at minimal cost to the club. I don't even want to think about only £250,000 up front for Sheron. They wouldn't have needed to demolish if that was publicised the fans would have ripped the place to shreds. Edit: Reports from the time varying between £2.5M and £2.75M for Sheron. I can't believe we accepted such a low proportion up front. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Aug 3, 2024 12:20:01 GMT
We had a grant with it being reclaimed land or similar which covered a good %age We only got something like £250k up front for Sheron I saw the plans before Britannia and wasn't even red and white seats, that worked quite well when they sponsored us . . they were like multi coloured striped seats , the idea came from the New Orleans Superdome where seats looked occupied when empty and was a thing a couple of European clubs were doing. Moxey being a big American sports fan wanted them for the new ground originally. We had 2 stadium plans at the time . Britannia and their name and colours was ideal and obviously more expensive to sponsor as wanted their name and logo on the seats . I think was £1.2 million initially Pretty amazed I never had the time to read so much about things that I do now at the time. Always thought it had been done on the cheap at minimal cost to the club. I don't even want to think about only £250,000 up front for Sheron. They wouldn't have needed to demolish if that was publicised the fans would have ripped the place to shreds. To be fair ...transfer fees are never paid in full when dealing in large amounts, even today. Is a bit of a myth that a club writes a cheque for say £5 million pounds When we sold Peschisolido back to Brum, we still owed them quite a large amount for him which was a reason for the deal in part, the player wanting to go back as well which he told everyone in the bar after a game v Brum some weeks before was happening and wasn't the deadline day deal some claimed . We had some Birmingham City fan guests with us that night who were chatting with him after the game. Think was an Autoglass game or something at the Vic. Karen Brady was also there who I think had been car jacked a few days before and her Porsche stolen . Kenwyne when we sold also we still owed a good chunk on still |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 3, 2024 12:28:51 GMT
Pretty amazed I never had the time to read so much about things that I do now at the time. Always thought it had been done on the cheap at minimal cost to the club. I don't even want to think about only £250,000 up front for Sheron. They wouldn't have needed to demolish if that was publicised the fans would have ripped the place to shreds. To be fair ...transfer fees are never paid in full when dealing in large amounts, even today. Is a bit of a myth that a club writes a cheque for say £5 million pounds When we sold Peschisolido back to Brum, we still owed them quite a large amount for him which was a reason for the deal in part, the player wanting to go back as well which he told everyone in the bar after a game v Brum some weeks before was happening and wasn't the deadline day deal some claimed . We had some Birmingham City fan guests with us that night who were chatting with him after the game. Think was an Autoglass game or something at the Vic. Karen Brady was also there who I think had been car jacked a few days before and her Porsche stolen . Kenwyne when we sold also we still owed a good chunk on still I think we were paying the Kenwynne fee down at £2M per year ie 25% of the reported fee. Whereas £250,000 is 10% or less of the reported Sheron fee. I can't see the fee being paid over a longer period than the contract the player signed with the buying club. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Aug 3, 2024 12:31:08 GMT
To be fair ...transfer fees are never paid in full when dealing in large amounts, even today. Is a bit of a myth that a club writes a cheque for say £5 million pounds When we sold Peschisolido back to Brum, we still owed them quite a large amount for him which was a reason for the deal in part, the player wanting to go back as well which he told everyone in the bar after a game v Brum some weeks before was happening and wasn't the deadline day deal some claimed . We had some Birmingham City fan guests with us that night who were chatting with him after the game. Think was an Autoglass game or something at the Vic. Karen Brady was also there who I think had been car jacked a few days before and her Porsche stolen . Kenwyne when we sold also we still owed a good chunk on still I think we were paying the Kenwynne fee down at £2M per year ie 25% of the reported fee. Whereas £250,000 is 10% or less of the reported Sheron fee. I can't see the fee being paid over a longer period than the contract the player signed with the buying club. Sheron pretty.much forced that deal through after Moxey fought hard to get him a huge new contract. Felt sorry for him actually as he took the the brunt when he was sold |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 3, 2024 12:35:00 GMT
I think we were paying the Kenwynne fee down at £2M per year ie 25% of the reported fee. Whereas £250,000 is 10% or less of the reported Sheron fee. I can't see the fee being paid over a longer period than the contract the player signed with the buying club. Sheron pretty.much forced that deal through after Moxey fought hard to get him a huge new contract. Felt sorry for him actually as he took the the brunt when he was sold Yeah I mean I can remember loads blaming him because it was said we had to sell to front up for our share of the new ground. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Aug 3, 2024 12:38:32 GMT
Sheron pretty.much forced that deal through after Moxey fought hard to get him a huge new contract. Felt sorry for him actually as he took the the brunt when he was sold Yeah I mean I can remember loads blaming him because it was said we had to sell to front up for our share of the new ground. Poor old Moxey was so upbeat about Beardsley coming after that as well until he got a phone call from France 2 or 3 days before he was due to take over as player manager 😁. Thankless job that fella had |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 3, 2024 12:41:31 GMT
Yeah I mean I can remember loads blaming him because it was said we had to sell to front up for our share of the new ground. Poor old Moxey was so upbeat about Beardsley coming after that as well until he got a phone call from France 2 or 3 days before he was due to take over as player manager 😁. Thankless job that fella had Must have followed him around, don't think he was any more popular at Wolves. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 3, 2024 12:44:40 GMT
Err... Firstly the name will change with whoever sponsors us - currently Bet365. When/if that changes to "Someshit Company" expect to be sitting in the SomeShit Stadium. But assuming we (SCFC) could choose the name of the stadium, why the hell would we pick a bankrupt building society? If you want history, we have the "Victoria Ground". I think it's more to do with that is it's original name, and that's what people associate it with me included always thought Victoria/Britannia seemed very similar in what they stand for. Yeah I don’t associate it with the Building Society at all. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Aug 3, 2024 12:45:48 GMT
Poor old Moxey was so upbeat about Beardsley coming after that as well until he got a phone call from France 2 or 3 days before he was due to take over as player manager 😁. Thankless job that fella had Must have followed him around, don't think he was any more popular at Wolves. He went there to slash the outgoings . Was never going to be popular. |
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Post by AlliG on Aug 3, 2024 12:46:14 GMT
Poor old Moxey was so upbeat about Beardsley coming after that as well until he got a phone call from France 2 or 3 days before he was due to take over as player manager 😁. Thankless job that fella had Must have followed him around, don't think he was any more popular at Wolves. Even less, if that was possible. I worked in Wolverhampton while he was there and the Wolves fans hated him with a passion (and still do). |
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Post by onefatcopper on Aug 3, 2024 13:16:09 GMT
That Library with its flat atmosphere not so long ago was the loudest football ground in the country, louder than Concord, that proves its not the ground it’s got to be something else, the fans ? No idea I’ve always been the same quiet fan. Butler St paddock, Boothen end, Sentinel stand, South stand and back to the Sentinel. Even as a quiet fan I loved the atmosphere and the surge in the Boothen end but it wouldn’t be for me now. It will never be the same, firstly the world and life was different, looking back with my rose tinted glasses on my memories are of Donkey Jackets telling me who you worked for, a coal miner, a steel worker, water board, Gas etc everyone seemed to know one another either as friend or as a friend of a friend it was a family full of gossip and war stories of the previous weeks away game. The Club and its fans seemed to be entwined with each other, as our industry was allowed to crumble so did the club, friendships forged through work began to break until they lost touch with each other, the Club and the city had to start again, and at a clinical new stadium fit for the new millennium we emigrated on mass, but now we were split up as a family, spread around a 28000 seated stadium things could never be the same. |
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Post by RonnieStokie on Aug 3, 2024 13:21:48 GMT
Hope John is OK and it's more of a social anxiety kind of thing, but he didn't come across too good there.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Aug 3, 2024 13:29:10 GMT
Must have followed him around, don't think he was any more popular at Wolves. Even less, if that was possible. I worked in Wolverhampton while he was there and the Wolves fans hated him with a passion (and still do). Wasn't he told to slash budgets by 60% at Wolves? I don't think you'll win admirers by selling everything that isn't nailed down |
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 3, 2024 13:42:42 GMT
Hope John is OK and it's more of a social anxiety kind of thing, but he didn't come across too good there. He's never good in front of the cameras, like a rabbit in the headlights. He should get someone to front the club who is more composed, as long as it is not another snake oil salesman like Tricky Ricky. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 3, 2024 13:46:33 GMT
Hope John is OK and it's more of a social anxiety kind of thing, but he didn't come across too good there. He's never good in front of the cameras, like a rabbit in the headlights. He should get someone to front the club who is more composed, as long as it is not another snake oil salesman like Tricky Ricky. Fancy being worth billions and not being one of the most relaxed people on the planet. |
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