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Post by Mason_Stokie on Jul 31, 2024 3:30:51 GMT
Seems a shame she doesn't have her own thread. Kamala, cry no more, you've made it to the Oatcake!
Now I'm no expert on US politics despite being here for over 15 years. But there seems quite the buzz around her right now... First female US President incoming?
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Post by Gods on Jul 31, 2024 5:48:09 GMT
Can she win in those all important mid-America swing states?
The doubters say the answer is 'no'.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 31, 2024 6:53:30 GMT
She's appears to be as lightweight as the rest of them when the script isn't in front of her.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 31, 2024 6:57:04 GMT
She's appears to be as lightweight as the rest of them when the script isn't in front of her. Is that real or another deepfake he’s shared? |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 31, 2024 7:00:06 GMT
Apparently so Bayern. She's got form remember, they disappeared her for a time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2024 10:07:01 GMT
Can she win in those all important mid-America swing states? The doubters say the answer is 'no'. Has to run alongside a middle aged white man to do that. Preferably one with military experience, though Beshear wouldn’t be the worst option either. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2024 10:09:40 GMT
Apparently so Bayern. She's got form remember, they disappeared her for a time. Yeah, she needs better coaching in political talk, I.e., redirect the question to one that you like and then answer that one instead. When asked the question again, give the same answer until the journalist gives up. |
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Post by stokeson on Jul 31, 2024 10:10:36 GMT
She's appears to be as lightweight as the rest of them when the script isn't in front of her. Hes pouring 5 million a day into the Trumpo campain so not a shock is it. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 31, 2024 15:05:10 GMT
Can she win in those all important mid-America swing states? The doubters say the answer is 'no'. I think you're right but the betting markets are saying she has a chance. 60:40 in favour of trump right now and loads of crazy shit will probably happen that makes those odds shoot around for the next few months. |
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jul 31, 2024 15:17:30 GMT
Perhaps Musk can put up videos of Trump eloquently answering similar questions. Just a thought...
I don't think Harris is particularly up to it, but then neither is Trump. She has a mountain to climb I think, given her gender and colour. A leadership contest would have been better but Joe hung on too long. If she misses out then it'll be interesting to see what happens next in the party.
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Post by tuum on Jul 31, 2024 16:01:42 GMT
Just had a chat with an intelligent and reasoned American bloke. He was up for supporting Kennedy but he is not impressed with Kamala. So much so that he is throwing his weight behind Trump.
I find that quite disturbing but he is really concerned that she has nothing to offer and her policies are potentially very damaging.
He did say that, last time,Trump cut his taxes...but he works for an American oil company so he is not poor.
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Post by lordb on Jul 31, 2024 16:23:49 GMT
Of she does win then suspect we will see more situations where the apparant nominee is moved aside at late stages
Spin is if she loses we probably never will again
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 31, 2024 17:48:47 GMT
Perhaps Musk can put up videos of Trump eloquently answering similar questions. Just a thought... I don't think Harris is particularly up to it, but then neither is Trump. She has a mountain to climb I think, given her gender and colour. A leadership contest would have been better but Joe hung on too long. If she misses out then it'll be interesting to see what happens next in the party. Biden fucked up years ago IMO. He did a lot of great things in his term but should have clearly bowed out early. Kamala seems a competent person who could make a very good president for Americans. She represents a lot of good values and policies for normal folk, but that's not how a lot of voters decide. She's going up against one of the most effective conmen and liars in US history and I still don't think she can pull it off. |
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Post by neworleanstokie on Jul 31, 2024 17:54:44 GMT
Just had a chat with an intelligent and reasoned American bloke. He was up for supporting Kennedy but he is not impressed with Kamala. So much so that he is throwing his weight behind Trump. I find that quite disturbing but he is really concerned that she has nothing to offer and her policies are potentially very damaging. He did say that, last time,Trump cut his taxes...but he works for an American oil company so he is not poor. Primarily the RED states that saw income taxes lowered, mine increased significantly due to the removal of SALT as a deduction. |
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Post by tuum on Jul 31, 2024 19:21:50 GMT
She's appears to be as lightweight as the rest of them when the script isn't in front of her. Hes pouring 5 million a day into the Trumpo campain so not a shock is it. Omly just seen that clip and it reinforces what my mate told me. He refers to it as 'word salad' which presumably means not a lot of substance. |
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Post by redstriper on Jul 31, 2024 19:36:20 GMT
She's appears to be as lightweight as the rest of them when the script isn't in front of her. Is that real or another deepfake he’s shared? There's not that many people who I genuinely think of as being a complete cunt. But both Musk and the man he is supporting fit the bill exactly. Of course Musk supports him, two very effective conmen adept at taking the credit for things they didn't do and lying about everything else. Peas in a pod. Tesla have had a shit year yet somehow Musk manages to persuade shareholders to give him 50 billion. When the share price collapses, a lot of small investors will be burned and Musk will still be in the rich list. But I'll have little sympathy for them tbh. DYOR. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 31, 2024 20:04:11 GMT
Perhaps Musk can put up videos of Trump eloquently answering similar questions. Just a thought... I don't think Harris is particularly up to it, but then neither is Trump. She has a mountain to climb I think, given her gender and colour. A leadership contest would have been better but Joe hung on too long. If she misses out then it'll be interesting to see what happens next in the party. Biden fucked up years ago IMO. He did a lot of great things in his term but should have clearly bowed out early. Kamala seems a competent person who could make a very good president for Americans. She represents a lot of good values and policies for normal folk, but that's not how a lot of voters decide. She's going up against one of the most effective conmen and liars in US history and I still don't think she can pull it off. How come? She’s smashing the polls isn’t she? |
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Post by salopstick on Jul 31, 2024 20:15:51 GMT
Biden fucked up years ago IMO. He did a lot of great things in his term but should have clearly bowed out early. Kamala seems a competent person who could make a very good president for Americans. She represents a lot of good values and policies for normal folk, but that's not how a lot of voters decide. She's going up against one of the most effective conmen and liars in US history and I still don't think she can pull it off. How come? She’s smashing the polls isn’t she? New candidate bump |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 31, 2024 20:34:57 GMT
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 31, 2024 21:18:17 GMT
How come? She’s smashing the polls isn’t she? She's improved a lot since Biden dropped out but only some states matter and with today's poll average Trump wins (according to Nate Silver anyway). There's ages left and big things are probably gonna happen. Remember russian military intelligence will be working with the trump campaign and they've been really effective at propaganda. Very rich and powerful people like Elon Musk are all-in on dictatorship over democracy too. There's a long uphill road for Kamala, which is why I don't think she'll do it. |
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Post by wannabee on Jul 31, 2024 21:55:24 GMT
She's appears to be as lightweight as the rest of them when the script isn't in front of her. By all accounts this was a Tik Tok originally posted by @mrreaganusa and included a disclaimer that it was AI generated This repost by Elon Musk didn't include the disclaimer Who the Fuck knows The Majority of the American people have already made up their minds which idiot their going to vote for. Western "Democracy" is fucked in any case I'm not a great believer in the WEF or Great Reset Conspiracy, Western Style Democracy is simply being devoured by its own excess and inequality of distribution much like the Roman Empire was. It may be cathartic to appoint a new Sheriff and a new order, I suspect these changes may become more frequent but I won't have to worry about them. |
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Post by Gods on Jul 31, 2024 21:59:30 GMT
Can she win in those all important mid-America swing states? The doubters say the answer is 'no'. I think you're right but the betting markets are saying she has a chance. 60:40 in favour of trump right now and loads of crazy shit will probably happen that makes those odds shoot around for the next few months. I'd not looked at the odds for a while. I thought/ hoped it would be closer than that. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 31, 2024 23:23:11 GMT
I think you're right but the betting markets are saying she has a chance. 60:40 in favour of trump right now and loads of crazy shit will probably happen that makes those odds shoot around for the next few months. I'd not looked at the odds for a while. I thought/ hoped it would be closer than that. Well it got closer today! More like 56:44. Shows you how quickly feelings can change. The odds on Kamala's VP choice also did a huge swing to Shapiro, the Pennsylvania governor. Dunno why, I try not to read much "personality" news and speculation each day. |
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 1, 2024 1:33:42 GMT
Just had a chat with an intelligent and reasoned American bloke. He was up for supporting Kennedy but he is not impressed with Kamala. So much so that he is throwing his weight behind Trump. I find that quite disturbing but he is really concerned that she has nothing to offer and her policies are potentially very damaging. He did say that, last time,Trump cut his taxes...but he works for an American oil company so he is not poor. It is possible to be intelligent and reasoned, and totally self interested giving a shit for no one but yourself. Your friend may well believe that Trump cut his taxes and that may be all he is concerned with. Some people hope for better from the leader of the “free world”. |
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Post by tuum on Aug 1, 2024 1:44:30 GMT
Just had a chat with an intelligent and reasoned American bloke. He was up for supporting Kennedy but he is not impressed with Kamala. So much so that he is throwing his weight behind Trump. I find that quite disturbing but he is really concerned that she has nothing to offer and her policies are potentially very damaging. He did say that, last time,Trump cut his taxes...but he works for an American oil company so he is not poor. It is possible to be intelligent and reasoned, and totally self interested giving a shit for no one but yourself. Your friend may well believe that Trump cut his taxes and that may be all he is concerned with. Some people hope for better from the leader of the “free world”. I don't disagree. One of the points I was trying to make is that my colleague is a democrat at heart. Trust me, I have worked with a load of selfish Americans who definitely couldn't give a shit about anyone other than themselves, but he is not one of them. What I found concerning was that he prefers Trump over Harris even though he would have supported Kennedy as the better democrat option. I don't follow US politics too closely but it seems from what he was saying that Kennedy and the Democrats have fallen out apparently. |
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 1, 2024 2:17:36 GMT
It is possible to be intelligent and reasoned, and totally self interested giving a shit for no one but yourself. Your friend may well believe that Trump cut his taxes and that may be all he is concerned with. Some people hope for better from the leader of the “free world”. I don't disagree. One of the points I was trying to make is that my colleague is a democrat at heart. Trust me, I have worked with a load of selfish Americans who definitely couldn't give a shit about anyone other than themselves, but he is not one of them. What I found concerning was that he prefers Trump over Harris even though he would have supported Kennedy as the better democrat option. I don't follow US politics too closely but it seems from what he was saying that Kennedy and the Democrats have fallen out apparently. . He prefers a tax fraud and a rapist, who hasn’t told the truth about anything in living memory, a misogynistic racist who would favour Putin over Europe, who is prepared to ignore climate change because he is too old to have to suffer its consequences, doesn’t give a shit about anyone else, and can convince poorly educated Americans that it is some communist hoax. I couldn’t call someone with those values a friend. |
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Post by wannabee on Aug 1, 2024 2:19:38 GMT
It is possible to be intelligent and reasoned, and totally self interested giving a shit for no one but yourself. Your friend may well believe that Trump cut his taxes and that may be all he is concerned with. Some people hope for better from the leader of the “free world”. I don't disagree. One of the points I was trying to make is that my colleague is a democrat at heart. Trust me, I have worked with a load of selfish Americans who definitely couldn't give a shit about anyone other than themselves, but he is not one of them. What I found concerning was that he prefers Trump over Harris even though he would have supported Kennedy as the better democrat option. I don't follow US politics too closely but it seems from what he was saying that Kennedy and the Democrats have fallen out apparently. Labels become interchangeable Kennedy is essentially a Conspiracy Theorist more than he is a Democrat therefore it's unsurprising your Democrat Colleague would have more of an afinity towards Trump than Harris considering both Trump and Kennedy are Fruit Loops. Harris is merely incompetent but she is bereft of narcissistic tendencies. |
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Post by wapiti on Aug 1, 2024 4:04:29 GMT
As horrible as Trump is, how good does Harris need to be to represent an improvement.
Harris is a Stoke City supporter. Trump supports Chelsea because he thinks it is still owned by a russian oligarch.
I think that's as much as we need to know.
My advice: get a few bets in on Harris.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 1, 2024 4:54:24 GMT
I don't disagree. One of the points I was trying to make is that my colleague is a democrat at heart. Trust me, I have worked with a load of selfish Americans who definitely couldn't give a shit about anyone other than themselves, but he is not one of them. What I found concerning was that he prefers Trump over Harris even though he would have supported Kennedy as the better democrat option. I don't follow US politics too closely but it seems from what he was saying that Kennedy and the Democrats have fallen out apparently. Labels become interchangeable Kennedy is essentially a Conspiracy Theorist more than he is a Democrat therefore it's unsurprising your Democrat Colleague would have more of an afinity towards Trump than Harris considering both Trump and Kennedy are Fruit Loops. Harris is merely incompetent but she is bereft of narcissistic tendencies. I think a "Texas Democrat" is different from a "California Democrat". People are complicated so labels are tricky. I don't know enough to know if Harris is incompetent? It's near impossible for her to be worse than Trump and she's clearly an intelligent woman. That doesn't mean I think she's particularly good mind. |
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Post by redstriper on Aug 1, 2024 6:53:20 GMT
I don't disagree. One of the points I was trying to make is that my colleague is a democrat at heart. Trust me, I have worked with a load of selfish Americans who definitely couldn't give a shit about anyone other than themselves, but he is not one of them. What I found concerning was that he prefers Trump over Harris even though he would have supported Kennedy as the better democrat option. I don't follow US politics too closely but it seems from what he was saying that Kennedy and the Democrats have fallen out apparently. . He prefers a tax fraud and a rapist, who hasn’t told the truth about anything in living memory, a misogynistic racist who would favour Putin over Europe, who is prepared to ignore climate change because he is too old to have to suffer its consequences, doesn’t give a shit about anyone else, and can convince poorly educated Americans that it is some communist hoax. I couldn’t call someone with those values a friend. Great Post. I've fallen out with a few people over Trump. And I've started to use it to assess potential new business associates, i throw US politics casually into the conversation and see which way they go. I used to think Farage had some integrity having fought the EU from inside for many years as almost a loan voice. Since he cuddled up to Trump I despise him. Its a massive red flag for me. |
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