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Post by yellowsnowman on Jun 20, 2024 11:08:54 GMT
Loads of shit commentators. Men and woman. I said in Jan, id prefer woman to commentate their game and the men ours. Got called fucking all sorts, and because i said it was my opinion, well people could not handle it. Still think it. Aluko i dislike. Go listen to her on a podcast talk shit. You can have that opinion but it’s a sexist one. Ahh well. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 20, 2024 11:16:14 GMT
Let’s all look forward to more Eni ism’s at 1pm🙄
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Post by biddulphchav on Jun 20, 2024 11:18:37 GMT
Not liking female commentators isn’t necessarily sexist. They are not saying they don’t like women in general so the link to black people and racism doesn’t work. Some people don’t like women commentators for men’s sport. It’s ok. Then those people should just keep their opinion to themselves. It's fine to have that opinion but why the need to shout about it? Vegans, weed smokers and drunks are the same. Randomly telling people "i'm high" or "i'm bladdered" like anyone cares or asked them 🤷🏻♂️ You might be able tell that is a pet peeve of mine 😂 Well, that’s the internet / social isn’t it? Everyone has a platform now. If I don’t like something or can’t be arsed with it, I just scroll past it. People are extremely quick to throw a label on things. Some people don’t mind women commentating on men’s sport, some prefer it to be men. We all have a right to an opinion. If you are labelling it sexist without trying to dig any deeper into it, I think that’s a reflection on you. By the way, I’m not talking directly to you, just the way i write!! |
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Post by tcdobinghoff on Jun 20, 2024 11:40:29 GMT
Let’s all look forward to more Eni ism’s at 1pm🙄 Well she definitely entertains you. |
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 20, 2024 11:48:43 GMT
Rachel Corsie, along with David Moyes and Joe Hart were all really good last night....... Yes thought they were really all on it, worked well as a team and respectful to each other, plus Gabby Yorath is probably my favourite sports presenter out of all. Her Athletics presentation is top-notch. Hart clearly has a future in this field if he wants it. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 20, 2024 12:01:30 GMT
Rachel Corsie, along with David Moyes and Joe Hart were all really good last night....... Yes thought they were really all on it, worked well as a team and respectful to each other, plus Gabby Yorath is probably my favourite sports presenter out of all. Her Athletics presentation is top-notch. Hart clearly has a future in this field if he wants it. Gabby Yorath is an outstanding broadcaster and always has been Other woman that impress are Laura Woods Reshmin Chowdhury Clare Balding Isha Gua who is also too draw Mel Jones All very knowledgeable in what they commentate/comment on whereas the likes of Alex Scott and Eni Aluko are not just clueless but not knowledgeable at all in my opinion.2 very very fortunate ladies to be in the position theyre in |
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Jun 20, 2024 12:12:32 GMT
Yes thought they were really all on it, worked well as a team and respectful to each other, plus Gabby Yorath is probably my favourite sports presenter out of all. Her Athletics presentation is top-notch. Hart clearly has a future in this field if he wants it. Gabby Yorath is an outstanding broadcaster and always has been Other woman that impress are Laura Woods Reshmin Chowdhury Clare Balding Isha Gua who is also too draw Mel Jones All very knowledgeable in what they commentate/comment on whereas the likes of Alex Scott and Eni Aluko are not just clueless but not knowledgeable at all in my opinion.2 very very fortunate ladies to be in the position theyre in Courtney sweetnam-kirk is another who is very good. She mostly does EFL with the odd appearance on soccer saturday |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2024 12:57:24 GMT
Targeting has always happened in football. How many former players get put on tv just because they’ve played for a club? Most of the time, they offer nothing but they are there because they attract additional viewers. Edit: www.cnn.com/2024/06/19/sport/tiger-woods-pga-tour-qualification-route-spt-intl/index.html and here is Tiger Woods getting chances to play in tournaments he couldn’t otherwise qualify for because it attracts increased viewership. Businesses make business decisions. They care about “wokeness” if it drives up their revenue. I think it’s odd that people see it in any other light. Which isn’t right either. The best commentators and analysts historically are those that have no previous history of playing the game or were pretty average at it but have a background in media Jimmy Hill, Barry Davies, Martin Tyler or from the current crop Chappers, Gabby Yorath or Kelly Dalglish. Get the right people in the right roles rather than pigeon holeing them for diversity purposes and you’ll have a far more polished product that people want to watch. I’m all for people being given a chance and there’s some excellent female commentators in cricket and golf but they’re like chalk and cheese in comparison to football with the skills required and the speed of thought. I’m sure there is an element of people being set in there ways and that may well change in time but do it gradually and subtely rather than force feeding it which is what I think is the main reason for putting peoples backs up. You only have to look at the viewing figures for Dr Who and Disney to see that change isn’t always for the better and what the majority want even if for some it maybe morally. The “right person” for a tv show is the one that increases viewership not the one who knows the most about the game. Tv providers have recognized that the male market is pretty saturated. They are not going to get that many more males in (in my opinion). So, they are trying to widen their viewership and make more money. It’s entertainment, they will hire/fire whoever brings them more money in. Sometimes it doesn’t work. You just have to look at the transition in Hollywood etc from fairly plain actors to supermodels. There are some absolutely awful actors etc out there who are top of the line draws: just look at action films. They still get the job though because viewership is the only metric that matters. Sports commentators/pundits don’t have to be attractive but the increased representation is still putting more butts in seats. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Jun 20, 2024 13:23:12 GMT
Which isn’t right either. The best commentators and analysts historically are those that have no previous history of playing the game or were pretty average at it but have a background in media Jimmy Hill, Barry Davies, Martin Tyler or from the current crop Chappers, Gabby Yorath or Kelly Dalglish. Get the right people in the right roles rather than pigeon holeing them for diversity purposes and you’ll have a far more polished product that people want to watch. I’m all for people being given a chance and there’s some excellent female commentators in cricket and golf but they’re like chalk and cheese in comparison to football with the skills required and the speed of thought. I’m sure there is an element of people being set in there ways and that may well change in time but do it gradually and subtely rather than force feeding it which is what I think is the main reason for putting peoples backs up. You only have to look at the viewing figures for Dr Who and Disney to see that change isn’t always for the better and what the majority want even if for some it maybe morally. The “right person” for a tv show is the one that increases viewership not the one who knows the most about the game. Tv providers have recognized that the male market is pretty saturated. They are not going to get that many more males in (in my opinion). So, they are trying to widen their viewership and make more money. It’s entertainment, they will hire/fire whoever brings them more money in. Sometimes it doesn’t work. You just have to look at the transition in Hollywood etc from fairly plain actors to supermodels. There are some absolutely awful actors etc out there who are top of the line draws: just look at action films. They still get the job though because viewership is the only metric that matters. Sports commentators/pundits don’t have to be attractive but the increased representation is still putting more butts in seats. not sure it is if you look at Dr Who, Football focus, Question of Sport and Disney. |
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Post by stokienorthants on Jun 20, 2024 13:28:11 GMT
Why do commentators of both sexes continue to overload us with useless data about the number of goals player x has scored for their respective clubs and countries, whether or not they were school milk monitors and details of forthcoming birthdays?
For the record I am an active member of the BLT community.
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Jun 20, 2024 14:00:13 GMT
Why do commentators of both sexes continue to overload us with useless data about the number of goals player x has scored for their respective clubs and countries, whether or not they were school milk monitors and details of forthcoming birthdays? For the record I am an active member of the BLT community. Bacon lettuce and tomato? Won't find disagreement here Jeff it's a lovely sandwich. |
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Post by cheadlepotter on Jun 20, 2024 14:06:38 GMT
Why do commentators of both sexes continue to overload us with useless data about the number of goals player x has scored for their respective clubs and countries, whether or not they were school milk monitors and details of forthcoming birthdays? For the record I am an active member of the BLT community. How do you like your bacon? Smoked/unsmoked? Crispy? |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jun 20, 2024 14:14:49 GMT
The “right person” for a tv show is the one that increases viewership not the one who knows the most about the game. Tv providers have recognized that the male market is pretty saturated. They are not going to get that many more males in (in my opinion). So, they are trying to widen their viewership and make more money. It’s entertainment, they will hire/fire whoever brings them more money in. Sometimes it doesn’t work. You just have to look at the transition in Hollywood etc from fairly plain actors to supermodels. There are some absolutely awful actors etc out there who are top of the line draws: just look at action films. They still get the job though because viewership is the only metric that matters. Sports commentators/pundits don’t have to be attractive but the increased representation is still putting more butts in seats. not sure it is if you look at Dr Who, Football focus, Question of Sport and Disney. Lowest ever viewing figures for Dr Who in it's history I read, yep. Ruined QOS and ratings plummeted, yep . I know us more choice if channels these days but the BBC doing a good job of ruining it's more popular shows |
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Post by wrighter on Jun 20, 2024 14:56:20 GMT
who the fcuk is commentating on the SVK v SRB game
bloody screeching when the goals are scored
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Post by deeside2 on Jun 20, 2024 15:03:46 GMT
who the fcuk is commentating on the SVK v SRB game bloody screeching when the goals are scored She was abysmal mate |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jun 20, 2024 15:35:02 GMT
Which isn’t right either. The best commentators and analysts historically are those that have no previous history of playing the game or were pretty average at it but have a background in media Jimmy Hill, Barry Davies, Martin Tyler or from the current crop Chappers, Gabby Yorath or Kelly Dalglish. Get the right people in the right roles rather than pigeon holeing them for diversity purposes and you’ll have a far more polished product that people want to watch. I’m all for people being given a chance and there’s some excellent female commentators in cricket and golf but they’re like chalk and cheese in comparison to football with the skills required and the speed of thought. I’m sure there is an element of people being set in there ways and that may well change in time but do it gradually and subtely rather than force feeding it which is what I think is the main reason for putting peoples backs up. You only have to look at the viewing figures for Dr Who and Disney to see that change isn’t always for the better and what the majority want even if for some it maybe morally. The “right person” for a tv show is the one that increases viewership not the one who knows the most about the game. Tv providers have recognized that the male market is pretty saturated. They are not going to get that many more males in (in my opinion). So, they are trying to widen their viewership and make more money. It’s entertainment, they will hire/fire whoever brings them more money in. Sometimes it doesn’t work. You just have to look at the transition in Hollywood etc from fairly plain actors to supermodels. There are some absolutely awful actors etc out there who are top of the line draws: just look at action films. They still get the job though because viewership is the only metric that matters. Sports commentators/pundits don’t have to be attractive but the increased representation is still putting more butts in seats. Yo be fair in the Golden Age, Hollywood was more looks over ability |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2024 16:09:54 GMT
not sure it is if you look at Dr Who, Football focus, Question of Sport and Disney. Lowest ever viewing figures for Dr Who in it's history I read, yep. Ruined QOS and ratings plummeted, yep . I know us more choice if channels these days but the BBC doing a good job of ruining it's more popular shows Or, shows go past their sell by date and the BBC look to pivot to create a new audience because the old one has left them. I stopped watching Dr Who when Matt Smith came in, yet he was white and male. I just felt that the writing had gone downhill. They may get it wrong but anyone who believes that billionaire media moguls care less about equality are fooling themselves. They care about making money and sometimes they don’t do it well. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jun 20, 2024 16:13:19 GMT
Lowest ever viewing figures for Dr Who in it's history I read, yep. Ruined QOS and ratings plummeted, yep . I know us more choice if channels these days but the BBC doing a good job of ruining it's more popular shows Or, shows go past their sell by date and the BBC look to pivot to create a new audience because the old one has left them. I stopped watching Dr Who when Matt Smith came in, yet he was white and male. I just felt that the writing had gone downhill. They may get it wrong but anyone who believes that billionaire media moguls cares less about equality is fooling themselves. They care about making money and sometimes they don’t do it well. When McDonalds replaced Ronald with Trevor, sales of McNuggets died. |
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Post by madnellie on Jun 20, 2024 16:48:26 GMT
What is this 'its my opinion so its got to be ok' nonsense. For example, if it's sexist, it's sexist. Being 'my opinion' doesn't justify it, or make it good and right! If it happens to be blatently sexist, then why are folk so surprised it wouldn't be challenged? There seems to be this ludicrous notion that being challenged to justify something equates with being cancelled. It's nonsense. Where are the threads on all the lousy 'jobs for the boys' male commentators and co-commentators we have had to endure for decades? To me its pretty clear, the policy is designed to respond to changing audiences for football, which INCLUDES women!....Surprise, Surprise!!!! It's not just a blokes sport anymore. Liking/Disliking specific commentators is obviously absolutely fine (whatever their gender) but this thread goes beyond that, quite clearly! Thanks Spit, absolutely bang on! |
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Post by madnellie on Jun 20, 2024 16:54:28 GMT
Because not liking someone doing something just because they're female is very obviously sexist. So of course I have a problem with it. It's like saying it's ok to not to like Black commentators just because they're Black. Not liking female commentators isn’t necessarily sexist. They are not saying they don’t like women in general so the link to black people and racism doesn’t work. Some people don’t like women commentators for men’s sport. It’s ok. Sexism is any kind of prejudice based on gender (male or female). It’s absolutely not ok. (Not aimed specifically at you, I actually liked and agreed with one of your earlier comments). |
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Post by stokienorthants on Jun 20, 2024 16:54:28 GMT
Why do commentators of both sexes continue to overload us with useless data about the number of goals player x has scored for their respective clubs and countries, whether or not they were school milk monitors and details of forthcoming birthdays? For the record I am an active member of the BLT community. How do you like your bacon? Smoked/unsmoked? Crispy? One of the more rasher statements I have read! |
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Post by kjpt140v on Jun 20, 2024 17:09:49 GMT
I am absolutely for equality and accept that women will carry out the roles within all sectors of football that once were the reserve of men. The BBC have made a political decision to recruit women in positions that expose them on TV. In my opinion, the BBC has targeted women for employment. Targeting is illegal. So, with the rush to recruit women, they have chosen inferior commentators and so-called experts. When they talk about tactics and what players should be doing, it is quite obvious they do not have the knowledge their male colleagues have, and sometimes it is embarrassing. I look forward to the day when, I don't notice what sex a commentator is, or I can listen to a studio discussion and the female member of the team is on par with their male colleagues. I honestly do look forward to those days. I haven't heard complaints about female commentators commentating on golf, or tennis, or cricket, or horse racing, or even Formula 1. But it has taken time and effort for these women to reach a good standard, as it has done for men. Targeting has always happened in football. How many former players get put on tv just because they’ve played for a club? Most of the time, they offer nothing but they are there because they attract additional viewers. Edit: www.cnn.com/2024/06/19/sport/tiger-woods-pga-tour-qualification-route-spt-intl/index.html and here is Tiger Woods getting chances to play in tournaments he couldn’t otherwise qualify for because it attracts increased viewership. Businesses make business decisions. They care about “wokeness” if it drives up their revenue. I think it’s odd that people see it in any other light. Doesn't make it legal. |
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Post by madnellie on Jun 20, 2024 17:13:00 GMT
In the interests of fairness, I should probably out myself here. I’ve been sitting wondering why they have “some random Yank woman” commentating on an England game. She’s quite good, but I was all bent out of shape they couldn’t find an English person to do it, especially as the main commentator is an English man.
I discovered at the start of the second half the “random Yank woman” is in fact Karen Bardsley. Doh!
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Post by hughjarse on Jun 20, 2024 17:21:16 GMT
How do you like your bacon? Smoked/unsmoked? Crispy? One of the more rasher statements I have read! Think someone was egging them on |
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Post by spoton on Jun 20, 2024 17:25:08 GMT
Well need to make some kind of point, myself and the wife are in total agreement that women commentators should not be any where near male football we are very much of the older generation but all they seem to do is shout, sorry the basic fact are they are crap
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Post by biddulphchav on Jun 21, 2024 1:23:09 GMT
Not liking female commentators isn’t necessarily sexist. They are not saying they don’t like women in general so the link to black people and racism doesn’t work. Some people don’t like women commentators for men’s sport. It’s ok. Sexism is any kind of prejudice based on gender (male or female). It’s absolutely not ok. (Not aimed specifically at you, I actually liked and agreed with one of your earlier comments). Having a preference for male commentators / not liking female commentators is not sexism or sexist. If they were to discriminate against these commentators or abuse them personally then of course I agree it would be. Personally I don’t mind some of them. Same as the men really, there are some shit ones and some good ones. I’d rather the old lady at the bakery commentate on any game rather than Andy Townsend. In fact I’d rather my mum did and she annoys the hell out of me when she talks about football. 😂 |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 21, 2024 8:10:28 GMT
Clive Tyldesley went full Nige last night calling Di Lorenzo Carvajal for about 5 minutes.. he's got a pair of bollocks though so it's okay 👍🏻
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Post by deeside2 on Jun 21, 2024 8:26:29 GMT
Clive Tyldesley went full Nige last night calling Di Lorenzo Carvajal for about 5 minutes.. he's got a pair of bollocks though so it's okay 👍🏻 Ooh don't start me on Clive bloody Tyldelsley ! IMO he's the most annoying, sycophantic, cheesy commentator out there. He perfectly sums up ITV football coverage, along with Pougatch - they're absolutely abysmal ! |
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Post by noustie on Jun 21, 2024 8:36:48 GMT
To be honest I thought when they cut to Ellen White she made more sense than Rio and Micah Richards combined. The lass with her was a vapid moron though leading her down a cul-de-sac with the pitch and the conditions 'We're stood here to show you the pitch cutting up but they've replaced the divots now' - obviously never been to a game of football in her fucking puff like they just leave stray clumps of grass about the place.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jun 21, 2024 10:11:40 GMT
To be honest I thought when they cut to Ellen White she made more sense than Rio and Micah Richards combined. The lass with her was a vapid moron though leading her down a cul-de-sac with the pitch and the conditions 'We're stood here to show you the pitch cutting up but they've replaced the divots now' - obviously never been to a game of football in her fucking puff like they just leave stray clumps of grass about the place. I liked how the heat might get to England comment Obviously the Danes are used to it |
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