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Post by RF10 on Jun 7, 2024 20:51:51 GMT
But, speaking on Friday in the Financial Times, FSG chair Werner (Liverpool chairman) admitted: "I’m determined one day to have a Premier League game be played in New York City. "I even have the sort of crazy idea that there would be a day where we play one game in Tokyo, one game a few hours later in Los Angeles, one game a few hours later in Rio, one game a few hours later in Riyadh and make it sort of a day where football, where the Premier League, is celebrated." Not got a clue have they.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jun 7, 2024 21:00:43 GMT
Genuine question coming from a place of stupidity, is there another industry that is governed in such a way that it limits investment? Putting aside the governance for monopolies which I don't think this would fall under. I’m sure F1 have a cap, and get punished for spending to much(x amount a year), I think they can have so many spare engines a season/year and a few other things but I don’t really watch it, so don’t know exactly how it works. In none sporting terms FFP could be seen like Ofgem stopping British Gas from investing in the infrastructure. I’d argue Man City FC have invested in a community to levels unrivalled by any other club. Happy to be told I’m wrong on any of the above.
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Post by baconburger on Jun 8, 2024 7:25:00 GMT
Man City need to be banged on the head with a very large hammer. This is OUR game and Our heritage. If that means less TV and adverts so be it . Saturday 3:00 KO is ok by me. T v companies will soon come creeping back. OUR GAME Why are you schizophrenic. Speak for yourself not even everybody on this thread agrees and the situation doesn’t even involve us. Change has happened in every facet of life throughout history get over it.
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Post by baconburger on Jun 8, 2024 7:28:06 GMT
I’m sure F1 have a cap, and get punished for spending to much(x amount a year), I think they can have so many spare engines a season/year and a few other things but I don’t really watch it, so don’t know exactly how it works. In none sporting terms FFP could be seen like Ofgem stopping British Gas from investing in the infrastructure. I’d argue Man City FC have invested in a community to levels unrivalled by any other club. Happy to be told I’m wrong on any of the above. Pedants riddled with jealousy
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Post by Veritas on Jun 8, 2024 7:49:38 GMT
But, speaking on Friday in the Financial Times, FSG chair Werner (Liverpool chairman) admitted: "I’m determined one day to have a Premier League game be played in New York City. "I even have the sort of crazy idea that there would be a day where we play one game in Tokyo, one game a few hours later in Los Angeles, one game a few hours later in Rio, one game a few hours later in Riyadh and make it sort of a day where football, where the Premier League, is celebrated." Not got a clue have they. Unfortunately they are very clued up in how to sell a brand to maximise their return on investment. In terms if what we the home based fans want that is another story all together.
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Post by baconburger on Jun 8, 2024 8:16:02 GMT
Not got a clue have they. Unfortunately they are very clued up in how to sell a brand to maximise their return on investment. In terms if what we the home based fans want that is another story all together. All home based fans are not traditionalist and resistant to change.
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Post by Veritas on Jun 8, 2024 8:19:19 GMT
Unfortunately they are very clued up in how to sell a brand to maximise their return on investment. In terms if what we the home based fans want that is another story all together. All home based fans are not traditionalist and resistant to change. True but would you be happy for some of our home games to be played in Saudi or Japan? I certainly wouldn't. Equally I am unhappy about foreign governments effectively owning English league clubs.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 8, 2024 8:50:44 GMT
I'm coming to the conclusion that Man City should be thrown out the Premier League and that as a consequence they will go off and help form a euro/international super league based outside the UK. Other Premier League clubs will follow and the Premier League will collapse with the remaining teams getting absorbed in the EFL.
The super league will attract the big television money and turn into a money driven charade - a branch of the entertainment industry rather an actual sport, a bit like the footballing equivalent of a Harem Globe Trotters world tour. Or what has happened to cricket.
I think that divide is there in the fanbase of most clubs already (certainly is in ours) and those that see football just in terms of entertainment based on a sport will spend their money on TV subscriptions and those who see football as a sport that entertains will spend their money on tickets to see their team.
Stoke City will never be part of that global elite and I'm good with that. I'd far rather see us play football against the likes of Wolvehampton Wanderers than some VAR ruined advert filled charade of a football based gameshow against the the likes of the Pepsi Cola Sky Blue Think I'll Buy Me A Lear Jet Flyers of Manchester.
If Man City win their case the consequences are far worse - the Premier League will become more of a joke competition than it is now.
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Post by baconburger on Jun 8, 2024 8:54:16 GMT
I'm coming to the conclusion that Man City should be thrown out the Premier League and that as a consequence they will go off and help form a euro/international super league based outside the UK. Other Premier League clubs will follow and the Premier League will collapse with the remaining teams getting absorbed in the EFL. The super league will attract the big television money and turn into a money driven charade - a branch of the entertainment industry rather an actual sport, a bit like the footballing equivalent of a Harem Globe Trotters world tour. Or what has happened to cricket. I think that divide is there in the fanbase of most clubs already (certainly is in ours) and those that see football just in terms of entertainment based on a sport will spend their money on TV subscriptions and those who see football as a sport that entertains will spend their money on tickets to see their team. Stoke City will never be part of that global elite and I'm good with that. I'd far rather see us play football against the likes of Wolvehampton Wanderers than some VAR ruined advert filled charade of a football based gameshow against the the likes of the Pepsi Cola Sky Blue Think I'll Buy Me A Lear Jet Flyers of Manchester. If Man City win their case the consequences are far worse - the Premier League will become more of a joke competition than it is now. Fucking drama queen. What has happened to cricket has probably saved and revitalised the sport and subsidises the older forms of the game. If the franchises were completely separate from the rest of the sport and didn’t use their venues longer format cricket would virtually die on its arse. As it is all remain available and provide choice for spectators but there again you get some old farts saying it’s “Our game”. It’s not your fucking game and if people don’t like it they won’t go or watch.
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Post by RF10 on Jun 8, 2024 9:43:50 GMT
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Post by idle on Jun 8, 2024 10:07:57 GMT
Fucking drama queen. What has happened to cricket has probably saved and revitalised the sport and subsidises the older forms of the game. If the franchises were completely separate from the rest of the sport and didn’t use their venues longer format cricket would virtually die on its arse. As it is all remain available and provide choice for spectators but there again you get some old farts saying it’s “Our game”. It’s not your fucking game and if people don’t like it they won’t go or watch. And you're a condecending prick. Using derogatory characterizations like "old farts" (well aren't you a young dynamic go-getter!) really detracts from your point. While you're being as naïve little red riding hood. See how that works? You're trying to impose YOUR view on how football should be a capitalistic venture to be bought and sold like any other commodity. So that you can watch it from the comfort of your chair? For decades now, greedy owners have been trying to take the game away from the locals to make money selling the clubs so that TV "fans" can get a winning team to "support". Do you think it's a coincidence that not a single footballer in the top leages have been caught using performance enhancing drugs? Football at the top level is as corrupt as the russian beaurocracy. And your view is making it worse by the day. The germans got the right idea. Clubs should be owned by their fans. And they should be even stricter IMO, one vote per member only, with clauses about not living more than x km from the stadium to be a voting member. I live thousands of kilometers from the Brit, and being grateful that I can watch Stoke on the clubs own stream. But trying to make it "better" for me on the expense of the local stadium fans is not what I want. If that makes the football worse, then so be it. At least we're not pawns in some megalomanic's plan to take over the world. Trying to have a competition with a level playing field is not making a fucking drama. It's trying to make it a sport, instead of a bought and sold product. Go watch WWF wrestling. It better suits your view.
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Post by ceejays on Jun 8, 2024 10:19:03 GMT
If Guardiola had walked into Man Utd Aston Villa or even Spurs eight years ago he would have built a champions team . He’d have won more at City but sometimes overthinks a final . Has he has said himself Chelsea Man Utd Arsenal have all had NET spends far greater than City in his time here . Only Liverpool have a lower NET spend in the last 8 years . Jealousy is at the heart of these 115 charges . The millions City have invested in their community seems to be missed in all of this .
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Post by baconburger on Jun 8, 2024 10:20:52 GMT
Fucking drama queen. What has happened to cricket has probably saved and revitalised the sport and subsidises the older forms of the game. If the franchises were completely separate from the rest of the sport and didn’t use their venues longer format cricket would virtually die on its arse. As it is all remain available and provide choice for spectators but there again you get some old farts saying it’s “Our game”. It’s not your fucking game and if people don’t like it they won’t go or watch. And you're a condecending prick. Using derogatory characterizations like "old farts" (well aren't you a young dynamic go-getter!) really detracts from your point. While you're being as naïve little red riding hood. See how that works? You're trying to impose YOUR view on how football should be a capitalistic venture to be bought and sold like any other commodity. So that you can watch it from the comfort of your chair? For decades now, greedy owners have been trying to take the game away from the locals to make money selling the clubs so that TV "fans" can get a winning team to "support". Do you think it's a coincidence that not a single footballer in the top leages have been caught using performance enhancing drugs? Football at the top level is as corrupt as the russian beaurocracy. And your view is making it worse by the day. The germans got the right idea. Clubs should be owned by their fans. And they should be even stricter IMO, one vote per member only, with clauses about not living more than x km from the stadium to be a voting member. I live thousands of kilometers from the Brit, and being grateful that I can watch Stoke on the clubs own stream. But trying to make it "better" for me on the expense of the local stadium fans is not what I want. If that makes the football worse, then so be it. At least we're not pawns in some megalomanic's plan to take over the world. Trying to have a competition with a level playing field is not making a fucking drama. It's trying to make it a sport, instead of a bought and sold product. Go watch WWF wrestling. It better suits your view. No you’re wrong I’m not trying to impose anything that’s exactly what you and people like you want to do and get really frustrated because you’re spectacularly unsuccessful at it. Me I want there to be the widest possible choice so people can choose what they want to watch from where they want to watch it as I do. Which by the way is sometimes from my chair. I don’t feel too guilty about that as I purchase a ST from the club every season despite the fact that I prioritise other parts of my life meaning I miss a fair proportion of games live at the stadium. Given the choice of spending a month in Spain or attending maybe 3 football games that I can watch on tv anyway I’m going with Spain every time.
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Post by Royal Donut on Jun 8, 2024 10:47:08 GMT
From the comments on here , I actually think the super league is the way to go. I have a mate who’s a Man City fan,I use the term fan loosely , well he’s got a shirt and never been to a game. He doesn’t care that what Man City have done and hope they get away with it, I asked what you going do if they get chucked out the league altogether, his answer was support another team. I think we probably need a league for football fans and those who want entertainment, it doesn’t matter if the games are all over the world because these fans don’t go games anyway.
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Post by baconburger on Jun 8, 2024 11:01:08 GMT
From the comments on here , I actually think the super league is the way to go. I have a mate who’s a Man City fan,I use the term fan loosely , well he’s got a shirt and never been to a game. He doesn’t care that what Man City have done and hope they get away with it, I asked what you going do if they get chucked out the league altogether, his answer was support another team. I think we probably need a league for football fans and those who want entertainment, it doesn’t matter if the games are all over the world because these fans don’t go games anyway. So what of the followers of clubs that wouldn’t get into a super league. Do people with views like your own just get to dictate to them?
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jun 8, 2024 11:07:32 GMT
I'm coming to the conclusion that Man City should be thrown out the Premier League and that as a consequence they will go off and help form a euro/international super league based outside the UK. Other Premier League clubs will follow and the Premier League will collapse with the remaining teams getting absorbed in the EFL. The super league will attract the big television money and turn into a money driven charade - a branch of the entertainment industry rather an actual sport, a bit like the footballing equivalent of a Harem Globe Trotters world tour. Or what has happened to cricket. I think that divide is there in the fanbase of most clubs already (certainly is in ours) and those that see football just in terms of entertainment based on a sport will spend their money on TV subscriptions and those who see football as a sport that entertains will spend their money on tickets to see their team. Stoke City will never be part of that global elite and I'm good with that. I'd far rather see us play football against the likes of Wolvehampton Wanderers than some VAR ruined advert filled charade of a football based gameshow against the the likes of the Pepsi Cola Sky Blue Think I'll Buy Me A Lear Jet Flyers of Manchester. If Man City win their case the consequences are far worse - the Premier League will become more of a joke competition than it is now. Fucking drama queen. What has happened to cricket has probably saved and revitalised the sport and subsidises the older forms of the game. If the franchises were completely separate from the rest of the sport and didn’t use their venues longer format cricket would virtually die on its arse. As it is all remain available and provide choice for spectators but there again you get some old farts saying it’s “Our game”. It’s not your fucking game and if people don’t like it they won’t go or watch. You are the drama queen here mate. I think your views are quite ridiculous. Clearly you dont care for any of the traditions of sport and if the UK sells itself to the devil.
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Post by Royal Donut on Jun 8, 2024 11:13:43 GMT
From the comments on here , I actually think the super league is the way to go. I have a mate who’s a Man City fan,I use the term fan loosely , well he’s got a shirt and never been to a game. He doesn’t care that what Man City have done and hope they get away with it, I asked what you going do if they get chucked out the league altogether, his answer was support another team. I think we probably need a league for football fans and those who want entertainment, it doesn’t matter if the games are all over the world because these fans don’t go games anyway. So what of the followers of clubs that wouldn’t get into a super league. Do people with views like your own just get to dictate to them? Unfortunately yes they do, the Man City owners are doing just that, I don’t want it this way I just think it’s for the best.
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Post by baconburger on Jun 8, 2024 11:15:07 GMT
Fucking drama queen. What has happened to cricket has probably saved and revitalised the sport and subsidises the older forms of the game. If the franchises were completely separate from the rest of the sport and didn’t use their venues longer format cricket would virtually die on its arse. As it is all remain available and provide choice for spectators but there again you get some old farts saying it’s “Our game”. It’s not your fucking game and if people don’t like it they won’t go or watch. You are the drama queen here mate. I think your views are quite ridiculous. Clearly you dont care for any of the traditions of sport and if the UK sells itself to the devil. I generally don’t like traditionalist views or nostalgia but then I’m not predicting Armageddon whatever happens. If that’s your definition of dramatic that’s on you. Maybe you didn’t listen in English.
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Post by baconburger on Jun 8, 2024 11:18:04 GMT
So what of the followers of clubs that wouldn’t get into a super league. Do people with views like your own just get to dictate to them? Unfortunately yes they do, the Man City owners are doing just that, I don’t want it this way I just think it’s for the best. Right ok got that you’re a more important fan. Anything else significant happen in your dreams?
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Post by Royal Donut on Jun 8, 2024 11:27:31 GMT
Unfortunately yes they do, the Man City owners are doing just that, I don’t want it this way I just think it’s for the best. Right ok got that you’re a more important fan. Anything else significant happen in your dreams? No not really out of the top 6 teams 90%+ don’t go games anyway, so I’m thinking of them not me not you. Yh my dream would be Man City get chucked out the league ,no super league and they have to climb the ladder like everyone else within the rules. I’m no more important than anyone else, just my opinion just like you have yours, anyway forget this I’m off to eat a bacon burger to cheer me up
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Post by skip on Jun 8, 2024 11:29:30 GMT
I'm coming to the conclusion that Man City should be thrown out the Premier League... As I wrote earlier on this thread, I'm not convinced that they're not hankering after that with their recent actions.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 8, 2024 12:47:35 GMT
You are the drama queen here mate. I think your views are quite ridiculous. Clearly you dont care for any of the traditions of sport and if the UK sells itself to the devil. I generally don’t like traditionalist views or nostalgia but then I’m not predicting Armageddon whatever happens. If that’s your definition of dramatic that’s on you. Maybe you didn’t listen in English. You really are quite dim. I never described Man City leaving the Premier League as armageddon - you have. And it's you who want a single footballing structure dominated by what you think is best for football, not me. You have said yourself on many occasions that you see football as an offshoot of the entertainment industry and I and others have said its primarily a sport. What I suggested is that it's got to the point when it might be a good time to part company - a breakaway super league for you and the TV fans and football leagues that value sporting competition for me and the other traditionalists. My suggestion is the complete opposite of how you characterised it - I don't want my view to dominate what football should be I think the only viable solution to a situation where to parties cannot agree is to part company not continue a dogfight over who's perspective should rule the roost. It's armageddon for you because it means your vision of what football should be gets hived off into it's own self obsessed little world and no longer dominates and distorts football as an actual sport.
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Post by idle on Jun 8, 2024 13:28:11 GMT
No you’re wrong I’m not trying to impose anything that’s exactly what you and people like you want to do and get really frustrated because you’re spectacularly unsuccessful at it. Me I want there to be the widest possible choice so people can choose what they want to watch from where they want to watch it as I do. Which by the way is sometimes from my chair. I don’t feel too guilty about that as I purchase a ST from the club every season despite the fact that I prioritise other parts of my life meaning I miss a fair proportion of games live at the stadium. Given the choice of spending a month in Spain or attending maybe 3 football games that I can watch on tv anyway I’m going with Spain every time. But none of what you're saying here has anything to do with ManCity, or ownership, at all. There's no reason why taking a community first, sport second, fan third, and TV fourth view of how football is supposed to prioritize. You'd still get to see the matches on the TV, although maybe not as many games. What I want is for money interests, where probably 80% of it is either criminal or blood money (and yes, I include gambling in that) and 90% is corrupt, to fuck off and leave the football pyramid alone. Fact is, it's the money that's corrupting and destroying the soul of football. Always has. More money = more corruption. Without all this money we'd never have VAR, or the "champions" league, where the same teams compete against each other every year, even if they have bad seasons. Communities losing their clubs (and if you think England is bad, take a look at the ownership of Elche in Spain...) is a tragedy. Without money we'd have a poorer standard of football (I don't care), less 18 y.o. millionaire players (I really don't fucking care, in fact, that's a huge plus!) and less leeches (agents, gamblers, UEFA/FIFA leaders prancing around). So IMO the Qataris and the Saudis and the american venture capitalists, and the russion thief before them, has made a net negative impact on football. Fuck them off.
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Post by baconburger on Jun 8, 2024 13:58:46 GMT
No you’re wrong I’m not trying to impose anything that’s exactly what you and people like you want to do and get really frustrated because you’re spectacularly unsuccessful at it. Me I want there to be the widest possible choice so people can choose what they want to watch from where they want to watch it as I do. Which by the way is sometimes from my chair. I don’t feel too guilty about that as I purchase a ST from the club every season despite the fact that I prioritise other parts of my life meaning I miss a fair proportion of games live at the stadium. Given the choice of spending a month in Spain or attending maybe 3 football games that I can watch on tv anyway I’m going with Spain every time. But none of what you're saying here has anything to do with ManCity, or ownership, at all. There's no reason why taking a community first, sport second, fan third, and TV fourth view of how football is supposed to prioritize. You'd still get to see the matches on the TV, although maybe not as many games. What I want is for money interests, where probably 80% of it is either criminal or blood money (and yes, I include gambling in that) and 90% is corrupt, to fuck off and leave the football pyramid alone. Fact is, it's the money that's corrupting and destroying the soul of football. Always has. More money = more corruption. Without all this money we'd never have VAR, or the "champions" league, where the same teams compete against each other every year, even if they have bad seasons. Communities losing their clubs (and if you think England is bad, take a look at the ownership of Elche in Spain...) is a tragedy. Without money we'd have a poorer standard of football (I don't care), less 18 y.o. millionaire players (I really don't fucking care, in fact, that's a huge plus!) and less leeches (agents, gamblers, UEFA/FIFA leaders prancing around). So IMO the Qataris and the Saudis and the american venture capitalists, and the russion thief before them, has made a net negative impact on football. Fuck them off. Sorry it all sounds too much like the mentality that gave us Brexit, backward and inward looking. Good foreign ownership has improved fan experiences and fan facilities no end but you’d prefer to drag things back decades to grubby little tin sheds that stink of piss just so it makes you feel better about things. You don’t care about this and you don’t care about that but what you don’t get is it’s not just about you and people who think along your lines sometimes things don’t go your way. Try being a Stoke fan who can’t stand dour football for 40 odd years.
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Post by idle on Jun 8, 2024 14:10:30 GMT
Sorry it all sounds too much like the mentality that gave us Brexit, backward and inward looking. Try being a Stoke fan who can’t stand dour football for 40 odd years. So it was about you all along. I figured. Sound like Brexit? Backwards mentality? Well, I can't stand this liberal bullshit where MY individual experience trumps everyone elses. "Improved fan experiences and fan facilities no end". This is what kills the sport. I get that you're so hung up on your view that football is just entertainment that you just can't understand that for someone else it means something more. You can't seem to grasp the communitarian view of the football club at all, and that says alot about you, and your political views. So go on, cheer on the blood money and cheer for the latest and greatest. You sound like the perfect ManCity fan. Edit: And I've said nothing about back to the tin club. That's just your imagination. The German clubs are doing waaaayyy better with the "fan experience" than English clubs, and they're fan owned. Cheaper too. But that doesn't fit your worldview, does it.
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Post by baconburger on Jun 8, 2024 14:51:37 GMT
I generally don’t like traditionalist views or nostalgia but then I’m not predicting Armageddon whatever happens. If that’s your definition of dramatic that’s on you. Maybe you didn’t listen in English. You really are quite dim. I never described Man City leaving the Premier League as armageddon - you have. And it's you who want a single footballing structure dominated by what you think is best for football, not me. You have said yourself on many occasions that you see football as an offshoot of the entertainment industry and I and others have said its primarily a sport. What I suggested is that it's got to the point when it might be a good time to part company - a breakaway super league for you and the TV fans and football leagues that value sporting competition for me and the other traditionalists. My suggestion is the complete opposite of how you characterised it - I don't want my view to dominate what football should be I think the only viable solution to a situation where to parties cannot agree is to part company not continue a dogfight over who's perspective should rule the roost. It's armageddon for you because it means your vision of what football should be gets hived off into it's own self obsessed little world and no longer dominates and distorts football as an actual sport. No you described Man City leaving the Premier League other premier league clubs joining them and the premier league collapsing. It’s just fantasist bollocks. So what about progressive fans who follow efl clubs you’re just going to dictate to them or else they can fuck off and support Man City ? How’s about you fuck off and support Stafford Rangers if someone has to fuck off at all. You see I’m not in favour of diluting our fan base even to get rid of conservatives like you. So I guess you’ll just have to keep sucking the mop.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jun 8, 2024 15:23:49 GMT
Slightly unrelated but I heard Kevin DeBrunye just tother day indicating he's thinking of going to Saudi for 2 years because he can earn more there in 2 years than he has in his whole career to date. Or summat like that.
Don't know what to make of it really. On the one hand I think fair play to you pal. On the other I think you greedy twat. Is this really what we envisaged football to be...
And I've heard Simon Jordan predicting there is way more capacity in the value of the overall football market. Meaning these crazy salaries are going to get way crazier.
I'm aware of young kids round Manchester whose parents are being bought large houses round Bramhall wilmslow etc so they can take their kids into their academies. Its bonkers.
I'm beginning to think money could really be starting to destroy the soul of football but that its an inevitable consequence at this stage..money talks I guess..
Totally impractical of course but I wish when Stoke played Bolton for example it was with teams packed with lads from just Stoke and Bolton. To me that would be a more entertaining event. Real passion 😃
Guess I'm a traditionalist and bacon will be telling me off shortly 😃
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Post by baconburger on Jun 8, 2024 15:39:38 GMT
Slightly unrelated but I heard Kevin DeBrunye just tother day indicating he's thinking of going to Saudi for 2 years because he can earn more there in 2 years than he has in his whole career to date. Or summat like that. Don't know what to make of it really. On the one hand I think fair play to you pal. On the other I think you greedy twat. Is this really what we envisaged football to be... And I've heard Simon Jordan predicting there is way more capacity in the value of the overall football market. Meaning these crazy salaries are going to get way crazier. I'm aware of young kids round Manchester whose parents are being bought large houses round Bramhall wilmslow etc so they can take their kids into their academies. Its bonkers. I'm beginning to think money could really be starting to destroy the soul of football but that its an inevitable consequence at this stage..money talks I guess.. Totally impractical of course but I wish when Stoke played Bolton for example it was with teams packed with lads from just Stoke and Bolton. To me that would be a more entertaining event. Real passion 😃 Guess I'm a traditionalist and bacon will be telling me off shortly 😃 I take it you mean disagreeing with you and making it clear that there are other opinions out there is telling you off.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jun 8, 2024 15:48:04 GMT
Slightly unrelated but I heard Kevin DeBrunye just tother day indicating he's thinking of going to Saudi for 2 years because he can earn more there in 2 years than he has in his whole career to date. Or summat like that. Don't know what to make of it really. On the one hand I think fair play to you pal. On the other I think you greedy twat. Is this really what we envisaged football to be... And I've heard Simon Jordan predicting there is way more capacity in the value of the overall football market. Meaning these crazy salaries are going to get way crazier. I'm aware of young kids round Manchester whose parents are being bought large houses round Bramhall wilmslow etc so they can take their kids into their academies. Its bonkers. I'm beginning to think money could really be starting to destroy the soul of football but that its an inevitable consequence at this stage..money talks I guess.. Totally impractical of course but I wish when Stoke played Bolton for example it was with teams packed with lads from just Stoke and Bolton. To me that would be a more entertaining event. Real passion 😃 Guess I'm a traditionalist and bacon will be telling me off shortly 😃 I take it you mean disagreeing with you and making it clear that there are other opinions out there is telling you off. Touchy 😆
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 8, 2024 16:16:08 GMT
You really are quite dim. I never described Man City leaving the Premier League as armageddon - you have. And it's you who want a single footballing structure dominated by what you think is best for football, not me. You have said yourself on many occasions that you see football as an offshoot of the entertainment industry and I and others have said its primarily a sport. What I suggested is that it's got to the point when it might be a good time to part company - a breakaway super league for you and the TV fans and football leagues that value sporting competition for me and the other traditionalists. My suggestion is the complete opposite of how you characterised it - I don't want my view to dominate what football should be I think the only viable solution to a situation where to parties cannot agree is to part company not continue a dogfight over who's perspective should rule the roost. It's armageddon for you because it means your vision of what football should be gets hived off into it's own self obsessed little world and no longer dominates and distorts football as an actual sport. No you described Man City leaving the Premier League other premier league clubs joining them and the premier league collapsing. It’s just fantasist bollocks. So what about progressive fans who follow efl clubs you’re just going to dictate to them or else they can fuck off and support Man City ? How’s about you fuck off and support Stafford Rangers if someone has to fuck off at all. You see I’m not in favour of diluting our fan base even to get rid of conservatives like you. So I guess you’ll just have to keep sucking the mop. Man City getting kicked out of the Premier League is not fantasist bollocks - it could happen. The big Premier League clubs getting behind a European Super League actually happened so a group of them swanning of with Man City to form super league v2 isn't fantasy bollocks either. It's certainly speculation and it may not happen but it isn't beyond the realms of possibility. I'm not dictating anything - I'm speculating on something happening that would sort out the problems caused by Man City and their owners trying to bully the Premier League and the UK government into allowing Man City to cheat the system and buy sporting success and demeaning football as a competitive sport. It also happens to resolve the problem of what a divided fanbase want from football. I'm not diluting the fanbase - it's already divided between "traditionalists" like me and "modernists" like you. I'm offering an amicable solution - you are offering a mop to suck for those of you that don't accept your vision. I'm offering people a choice - it's you who want others "to suck the mop" and put up with a version of football that has nothing to do with sport and everything to do with money and consumerist entertainment. I'm not the bully - you are. All you do is shout down and insult anyone who disagrees with you. And you couldn't string together a coherent argument to defend your position even if you wanted to - you misrepresent or misunderstand everything that anyone says and you just regurgitate the same old crap.
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