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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 4, 2024 16:50:16 GMT
They broke the rules and they should be punished.
The rules are shite but they are the rules and you adhere to them or get punished.
As for us doing stuff, I would hope that if what we did was illegal we’d be punished too and I think we’ve sailed very close to the wind and I can see why people do get pissed off at us.
Again, do I believe the rules are fit for purpose? Not really. But again they are the rules and you can’t just break them because you think they’re shit.
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Post by sportsman on Jun 4, 2024 16:52:19 GMT
So that's that then, all the family have to do is drive up to Preston to the EFL offices, unzip and drop it on to the table, and off we go treading all over FFP... Yep, get BET365 to sponsor a corner flag for £50 million and away we go. As daft as it sounds I’d love them to announce it live on Sky news tomorrow just for a reaction. 50m per corner flag breaking Sky sports news
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Post by NassauDave on Jun 4, 2024 16:54:44 GMT
Surley if they buy the way out of this then every other team will lawyer up against the EPL The EPL have been courting other clubs ie Everton, Forest & others to join them in the forthcoming battle v Man City! It was described on Talksport as being a potential civil war! I know it's more complex than this but seems strange Manchester City winning the Premier League Grand Prize, & then suing the exact competition firm they've won the spoils from! I'm thinking rather than wait to be charged by the EPL which was coming in November, they've got first out the blocks with this measure which will certainly sidetrack the EPL's own investigation and will kind of counter anything coming their way, head it off at the pass so to speak! Clever really, not like the EPL have rushed the process through is it, Man City have had sooooo much time to build their defences for what's coming down the road. 4 KC's they appointed to this matter, money is clearly no object and to sue as they are doing with this amount of legal clout, they know what they're doing. Things could get very messy! They'll need 4 Sunshine Bands as well to get out of this one.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2024 16:57:43 GMT
Hope city get relegated off the back of it. We've all watched them break the rules even since before we got in the prem. Them and Chelsea deserve anything they get. Feel sorry for the 1% of proper fans. I would however, very gleefully revel in the plastic tears from the rest.
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Post by thicknthin on Jun 4, 2024 17:03:18 GMT
Does the fact they are suing first show they are guilty of inflating their sponsorship fees? They want to change the rules to suit them - but changing the rules of the game will not change the historical view that they are in breach on inflating their revenues in the past. Its like suing the government to say - "Murder should be legalised" - knowing that you are about to go to court for a murder charge. If this is true then they know they are guilty of fiddling the numbers. It’s not though, it’s nothing like that; more like it’s like the government telling you that you cannot invest in your own business and grow it, because some of their mates at another business don’t like it in case you take their business away. I agree with what you say about breaking the rules, they knew them and should comply, but the rules were specifically created to block them and other similar clubs. So whether you agree with them, or Newcastle or us even, the bigger clubs have tried to close the shop to protect themselves and their own interests. If you have money to invest in YOUR business, why can you not invest?
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Post by thornestein on Jun 4, 2024 17:11:04 GMT
They broke the rules and they should be punished. The rules are shite but they are the rules and you adhere to them or get punished. As for us doing stuff, I would hope that if what we did was illegal we’d be punished too and I think we’ve sailed very close to the wind and I can see why people do get pissed off at us. Again, do I believe the rules are fit for purpose? Not really. But again they are the rules and you can’t just break them because you think they’re shit. it hasn’t being proven they broke the rules yet
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Post by Ron on Jun 4, 2024 17:11:53 GMT
Hope city get relegated off the back of it. We've all watched them break the rules even since before we got in the prem. Them and Chelsea deserve anything they get. Feel sorry for the 1% of proper fans. I would however, very gleefully revel in the plastic tears from the rest. I think they’ve got a fair number of genuine supporters and seem to recall they got healthy 3rd tier crowds at Maine road wehrn we both went down in 98. As with any club success at the top will bring new support and popularity with younger fans. However- their success is, albeit on much bigger and grander terms, not all that different to that of Blackburn in the early 90’s, bankrolled by jack walker, or Chelsea after that. Money buys success. I do however agree that states should not be able to own football clubs and their needs to be some form of policy to make the game more competitive.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jun 4, 2024 17:21:42 GMT
They broke the rules and they should be punished. The rules are shite but they are the rules and you adhere to them or get punished. As for us doing stuff, I would hope that if what we did was illegal we’d be punished too and I think we’ve sailed very close to the wind and I can see why people do get pissed off at us. Again, do I believe the rules are fit for purpose? Not really. But again they are the rules and you can’t just break them because you think they’re shit. Can you describe the 115 rules and in which way they broke them please? As I don't know.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jun 4, 2024 17:22:35 GMT
What a truly abhorrent club it is from top to bottom.
Supporters are mainly bellends too.
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Post by st3mark on Jun 4, 2024 17:25:32 GMT
Hope city get relegated off the back of it. We've all watched them break the rules even since before we got in the prem. Them and Chelsea deserve anything they get. what for spending their own money , it’s the rules that need fucking off If we broke the rules too we would still be up there. We played by the rules whilst the rule breakers do what they want. Whether it's their own money or not or whether you like the rule or not is irrelevant.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Jun 4, 2024 17:26:26 GMT
Here we go, lawyers will keep this tied up until they agree a small fine for the 115 breaches.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2024 17:31:24 GMT
Piss off Man City, I hope your club burns. Sport shouldn’t become a monopoly, it makes it boring. The inevitable Man City PL title win has bored me stupid for a while.
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Post by jordan2009 on Jun 4, 2024 17:38:13 GMT
All pointing towards a Super league. When the idea was scuppered a few seasons ago I was well happy. No I couldn't care less, fuck em off. The Premier league is a cess pit, fucking horrible fuckers running and ruining it. It's certainly going be an interesting situation.
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Post by thornestein on Jun 4, 2024 17:41:21 GMT
what for spending their own money , it’s the rules that need fucking off If we broke the rules too we would still be up there. We played by the rules whilst the rule breakers do what they want. Whether it's their own money or not or whether you like the rule or not is irrelevant. we’ve bent them suit us
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jun 4, 2024 17:45:44 GMT
Its not even about money - there is MASSIVE political implications if Man City are penalised. The Saudi's have made it clear to the British government - if they punish Man City then dont try selling any of your defence products to us and pay a bit more for our precious oil. The whole delay behind the scenes until this hearing in November now!! Its all because this has reached governmental level. The Premier League should NEVER have let foreign governments own football clubs. Not just because of the insane levels of money but OF COURSE there are political implications. Is there a link to this story?
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Post by leicspotter on Jun 4, 2024 17:53:05 GMT
The rules in question here were set by the EPL, i.e. the top 20 clubs (at that time) of which Man City were a part. I don't know if they fought against them at the time, but when you join a 'club' and that club has rules then you sign up to obey them, you can't pick and choose. If you don't like the competition rules, don't enter the competition. It's football's equivalent of Brexit
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Post by nonameface on Jun 4, 2024 17:59:50 GMT
Don't have any experience in this, but it feels like Man City are using their power to delay the outcome of the charges and to get them dropped, after all Man City has deeper pockets than the FA.
If they get charged they will help form a new European league, so can only see the FA buckling under the pressure, especially if the government are involved in this process.
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Post by st3mark on Jun 4, 2024 18:17:18 GMT
If we broke the rules too we would still be up there. We played by the rules whilst the rule breakers do what they want. Whether it's their own money or not or whether you like the rule or not is irrelevant. we’ve bent them suit us Bending them and breaking them are different things. One is cheating and one isn't, one is punishable and one isn't
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Post by midtempo on Jun 4, 2024 18:19:47 GMT
Apparantly many of the 115 charges against Man C are for over valuation of sponsership fees. They know the rules they have to work under if they dont like it go and take your franchise to Abu Dhabi and play there .
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Post by noustie on Jun 4, 2024 18:20:05 GMT
Isn't this an admission of guilt on the charges? Add in playing the racial discrimination card and it’s an absolute slam dunk!
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Post by thornestein on Jun 4, 2024 18:23:37 GMT
Bending them and breaking them are different things. One is cheating and one isn't, one is punishable and one isn't most are just jealous of their success , if it was brentford no one would give a fuck
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Post by onyourbonce on Jun 4, 2024 19:24:23 GMT
Football sold its soul a long time ago, or at least those in charge of it did. But if Man City win a case against the premier league on these grounds we might aswell just throw the towel in. The premier league will become a farce
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Post by ChesterStokie on Jun 4, 2024 19:28:14 GMT
Bending them and breaking them are different things. One is cheating and one isn't, one is punishable and one isn't most are just jealous of their success , if it was brentford no one would give a fuck So you think if Brentford had just won 4 PL titles in succession financed by the oil money of a far off land that a Man City finishing in 19th place wouldn’t give a f***?
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Post by ceejays on Jun 4, 2024 19:31:51 GMT
How many titles have Man Utd won after the Glazers purchased the club with DEBT . How much have the Glazers taken out of Utd since ? Compare this to the millions City have spent in and around Manchester creating jobs and infrastructure. Jealousy that’s all it is . Remind me who sponsors our shirts ?
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Jun 4, 2024 20:00:26 GMT
It isn't just that they broke the financial rules, they have repeatedly lied and misled the premier league during the investigation.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 4, 2024 20:50:03 GMT
Why is this good? It would mean the likes of Man City simply buying success through dodgy sponsorship deals and making the league even less competitive than it is at the moment and it means they would get away with their past breaches of the regulations that other clubs abided by. It stinks. Sounds pretty much like the scenario & circumstances we currently see anyway! No it isn't. Man City broke rules that others abided by. The success came as a result of cheating. Now that they have been caught red handed theyvare saying the rules (which stopped others competing with them) are unfair and should be scrapped. The thing is without those rules other clubs will find it impossible to compete with them because their resources are on a different planet. The rules are there to prevent clubs from extending themselves to compete financially. If there is no constraint the likes of Man City will just buy success and those daft enough to go toe to toe will go bust. The only clubs who will benefit from this are those financed by oil rich states. If anyone thinks the likes of Stoke will benefit from this just hasn't got a clue.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 4, 2024 20:53:49 GMT
Does the fact they are suing first show they are guilty of inflating their sponsorship fees? They want to change the rules to suit them - but changing the rules of the game will not change the historical view that they are in breach on inflating their revenues in the past. Its like suing the government to say - "Murder should be legalised" - knowing that you are about to go to court for a murder charge. If this is true then they know they are guilty of fiddling the numbers. It’s not though, it’s nothing like that; more like it’s like the government telling you that you cannot invest in your own business and grow it, because some of their mates at another business don’t like it in case you take their business away. I agree with what you say about breaking the rules, they knew them and should comply, but the rules were specifically created to block them and other similar clubs. So whether you agree with them, or Newcastle or us even, the bigger clubs have tried to close the shop to protect themselves and their own interests. If you have money to invest in YOUR business, why can you not invest? Because it isn't an investment. There is no financial return on the money poured in. The money just buys sporting success and makes a mockery of the sport.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jun 4, 2024 21:03:01 GMT
'And it's live...'
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 4, 2024 22:27:04 GMT
Its not even about money - there is MASSIVE political implications if Man City are penalised. The Saudi's have made it clear to the British government - if they punish Man City then dont try selling any of your defence products to us and pay a bit more for our precious oil. The whole delay behind the scenes until this hearing in November now!! Its all because this has reached governmental level. The Premier League should NEVER have let foreign governments own football clubs. Not just because of the insane levels of money but OF COURSE there are political implications. This just does not get highlighted enough. It's totally fucked up our domestic football big time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2024 22:35:23 GMT
Does the fact they are suing first show they are guilty of inflating their sponsorship fees? They want to change the rules to suit them - but changing the rules of the game will not change the historical view that they are in breach on inflating their revenues in the past. Its like suing the government to say - "Murder should be legalised" - knowing that you are about to go to court for a murder charge. If this is true then they know they are guilty of fiddling the numbers. It’s not though, it’s nothing like that; more like it’s like the government telling you that you cannot invest in your own business and grow it, because some of their mates at another business don’t like it in case you take their business away. I agree with what you say about breaking the rules, they knew them and should comply, but the rules were specifically created to block them and other similar clubs. So whether you agree with them, or Newcastle or us even, the bigger clubs have tried to close the shop to protect themselves and their own interests. If you have money to invest in YOUR business, why can you not invest? In regular businesses, there are counter-measures to stop monopolies. It’s actually an incredibly important element of business. Various mergers get blocked through these anti-monopoly measures. Monopolies are not good for sport. The SPL would probably be far more interesting if Celtic and Rangers weren’t the only teams likely to ever win the league, for example. I hope that you are one of the limited number of people who get excited about the SPL if you think it’s a good idea to allow Man City to continue to steam roll their monopoly with foreign govt money, and then for Newcastle to do the same. The end of the season is already a fore gone conclusion for first.
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