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Post by greenhoff on May 7, 2024 12:34:49 GMT
I have to be honest I had serious reservations about him. After a promising start he went all Nathan Jones with some seriously strange decisions. I wonder how much the appointment of Walters has played in our recent good form?
There appears to be a repairing of the relationship between the players/ management and fans which can only be a good thing.
Schumacher has made lots of mistakes perhaps too many in his short tenure but has definitely earned the right to take us forwards.
Hopefully next season will be much better
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Post by a on May 7, 2024 12:36:36 GMT
I have to be honest I had serious reservations about him. After a promising start he went all Nathan Jones with some seriously strange decisions. I wonder how much the appointment of Walters has played in our recent good form? There appears to be a repairing of the relationship between the players/ management and fans which can only be a good thing. Schumacher has made lots of mistakes perhaps too many in his short tenure but has definitely earned the right to take us forwards. Hopefully next season will be much better Just as long as we don’t see a back 3 again, can’t stand it as I don’t think we have the quality to pull it off |
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Post by Pugsley on May 7, 2024 14:20:50 GMT
'He kept us up' is probably a fair statement. In December, when he was appointed, I doubt he was told specifically to 'keep us up'; it would have been assumed. Fairly safe to say it would have been the remit of 'progress up the league' (or better). Therefore, his first six months can be surmised as 'below expected' Anyhow, onwards and upwards, jury is out for me but a summer and a fresh start will keep me positive going into the new season (till November) More rot. |
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Post by wrighter on May 7, 2024 14:51:21 GMT
very pleased
good season nxt season me thinks/hopes
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 8, 2024 6:52:12 GMT
'He kept us up' is probably a fair statement. In December, when he was appointed, I doubt he was told specifically to 'keep us up'; it would have been assumed. Fairly safe to say it would have been the remit of 'progress up the league' (or better). Therefore, his first six months can be surmised as 'below expected' Anyhow, onwards and upwards, jury is out for me but a summer and a fresh start will keep me positive going into the new season (till November) You can only improve if you are honest about where you are and address the issues. You get nowhere by claiming you are better than you are and expecting reality to conform to your ego. When Schumacher took over it was clear as day that we were in a relegation battle and if those appointing Schumacher didn't tell him his first priority was to keep us up they were deluded. We are an ex-Premiership side in name only. The reality is we are a poor Championship side - our peer group in footballing terms is currently Plymouth, Millwall and QPR not West Brom, Norwich and Hull. What we "should" be is completely irrelevant - it's what we are that matters. We aren't going to go up unless everyone associated with the club recognises we are a pretty rubbish Championsip side and need to do a hell of a lot of work to become a decent Championship side let alone one capable of promotion. Schumacher is getting shit on here because some fans aren't prepared to take on board the reality of where the club is at. The fact he didn't steer us to a comfortable league position isn't down to Schumachers failure as a manager and everything to do with the fact that team ended up in a position that reflects where we are as a club. As things stand we are not a Premiership side inexplicably in the wrong position in the Championship just waiting for the handsome Prince to give us a kiss and restore us to our natural beauty. We are an ugly frog that some poor sod saved from drowning in a cesspool of its own making. |
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Post by pavel on May 8, 2024 7:31:24 GMT
All the metrics say Schumacher has improved us since he’s been here and the team has improved over that time from one that was brittle, toothless and lackadaisical under Neil and looked like going down to one with fight, a team making chances and one that didn’t throw in the towel when going behind.
We escaped relegation with a game to spare and finished a place higher than when he arrived, interestingly better than a certain Mr Pulis did over 20 years ago for which he was lauded.
Even if we take none of this into account, the improvement in metrics, team spirit, football, chances made, resilience etc there are other factors.
He has improved the players, the defence has improved under his watch, bar a few blips. Thompson, Hoever, Laurent, Baker and Campbell improved, Mmaee disciplined and rehabilitated, JunHo trusted and allowed to shine, Manhoef given time and brought into be a key player, Cundle managed properly, dropped and reinstated when necessary. Players that were shoe ins under Neil given a chance and then dropped when they didn’t perform.
Schumacher is an excellent coach/manager who has done an excellent job under very difficult circumstances, he’s been positive for the most, honest and at times ruthless.
He absolutely deserves next season and a chance to build something here.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 8, 2024 7:48:32 GMT
All the metrics say Schumacher has improved us since he’s been here and the team has improved over that time from one that was brittle, toothless and lackadaisical under Neil and looked like going down to one with fight, a team making chances and one that didn’t throw in the towel when going behind. We escaped relegation with a game to spare and finished a place higher than when he arrived, interestingly better than a certain Mr Pulis did over 20 years ago for which he was lauded. Even if we take none of this into account, the improvement in metrics, team spirit, football, chances made, resilience etc there are other factors. He has improved the players, the defence has improved under his watch, bar a few blips. Thompson, Hoever, Laurent, Baker and Campbell improved, Mmaee disciplined and rehabilitated, JunHo trusted and allowed to shine, Manhoef given time and brought into be a key player, Cundle managed properly, dropped and reinstated when necessary. Players that were shoe ins under Neil given a chance and then dropped when they didn’t perform. Schumacher is an excellent coach/manager who has done an excellent job under very difficult circumstances, he’s been positive for the most, honest and at times ruthless. He absolutely deserves next season and a chance to build something here. Well said 👏 |
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Post by a on May 8, 2024 9:31:48 GMT
I think his attitude to the club, players and perhaps more importantly the fans has been very positive. He seems well grounded and a likeable bloke. I just hope we get the recruitment and pre season squared away otherwise I can see support quickly wavering. I hope he's given the time to get us looking something like as well as the resources.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on May 8, 2024 14:22:43 GMT
'He kept us up' is probably a fair statement. In December, when he was appointed, I doubt he was told specifically to 'keep us up'; it would have been assumed. Fairly safe to say it would have been the remit of 'progress up the league' (or better). Therefore, his first six months can be surmised as 'below expected' Anyhow, onwards and upwards, jury is out for me but a summer and a fresh start will keep me positive going into the new season (till November) You can only improve if you are honest about where you are and address the issues. You get nowhere by claiming you are better than you are and expecting reality to conform to your ego. When Schumacher took over it was clear as day that we were in a relegation battle and if those appointing Schumacher didn't tell him his first priority was to keep us up they were deluded. We are an ex-Premiership side in name only. The reality is we are a poor Championship side - our peer group in footballing terms is currently Plymouth, Millwall and QPR not West Brom, Norwich and Hull. What we "should" be is completely irrelevant - it's what we are that matters. We aren't going to go up unless everyone associated with the club recognises we are a pretty rubbish Championsip side and need to do a hell of a lot of work to become a decent Championship side let alone one capable of promotion. Schumacher is getting shit on here because some fans aren't prepared to take on board the reality of where the club is at. The fact he didn't steer us to a comfortable league position isn't down to Schumachers failure as a manager and everything to do with the fact that team ended up in a position that reflects where we are as a club. As things stand we are not a Premiership side inexplicably in the wrong position in the Championship just waiting for the handsome Prince to give us a kiss and restore us to our natural beauty. We are an ugly frog that some poor sod saved from drowning in a cesspool of its own making. What we should be is not irrelevant. For two reasons, 1. Ambition. 2. We’ve spent £150m in six years and continually have one of the better budgets for recruitment. When he came in we were shite yes but 9 points away from the playoff spot. He came in to improve us, not keep us in the tail of the league! |
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Post by lordb on May 8, 2024 15:18:51 GMT
You can only improve if you are honest about where you are and address the issues. You get nowhere by claiming you are better than you are and expecting reality to conform to your ego. When Schumacher took over it was clear as day that we were in a relegation battle and if those appointing Schumacher didn't tell him his first priority was to keep us up they were deluded. We are an ex-Premiership side in name only. The reality is we are a poor Championship side - our peer group in footballing terms is currently Plymouth, Millwall and QPR not West Brom, Norwich and Hull. What we "should" be is completely irrelevant - it's what we are that matters. We aren't going to go up unless everyone associated with the club recognises we are a pretty rubbish Championsip side and need to do a hell of a lot of work to become a decent Championship side let alone one capable of promotion. Schumacher is getting shit on here because some fans aren't prepared to take on board the reality of where the club is at. The fact he didn't steer us to a comfortable league position isn't down to Schumachers failure as a manager and everything to do with the fact that team ended up in a position that reflects where we are as a club. As things stand we are not a Premiership side inexplicably in the wrong position in the Championship just waiting for the handsome Prince to give us a kiss and restore us to our natural beauty. We are an ugly frog that some poor sod saved from drowning in a cesspool of its own making. What we should be is not irrelevant. For two reasons, 1. Ambition. 2. We’ve spent £150m in six years and continually have one of the better budgets for recruitment. When he came in we were shite yes but 9 points away from the playoff spot. He came in to improve us, not keep us in the tail of the league! he came to 1: keep us up )because we we're going down under AN) & 2: improve us part one achieved, part 2 needs to happen, imo more than fair to expect that for next season, just a question how much improvement, atm I'd guess most would be pleased (that's pleased no more than that) with top 10/top half with 'better' football expectations would be raised by a summer of spending but even then expecting top 2 as a minimum (as some posters would suggest no doubt) is daft barring a super bad start & Autumn he's got a year |
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Post by wakefieldstokie on May 8, 2024 15:22:56 GMT
What we should be is not irrelevant. For two reasons, 1. Ambition. 2. We’ve spent £150m in six years and continually have one of the better budgets for recruitment. When he came in we were shite yes but 9 points away from the playoff spot. He came in to improve us, not keep us in the tail of the league! he came to 1: keep us up )because we we're going down under AN) & 2: improve us part one achieved, part 2 needs to happen, imo more than fair to expect that for next season, just a question how much improvement, atm I'd guess most would be pleased (that's pleased no more than that) with top 10/top half with 'better' football expectations would be raised by a summer of spending but even then expecting top 2 as a minimum (as some posters would suggest no doubt) is daft barring a super bad start & Autumn he's got a year Differing opinions, but he’s the man who will lead us into next season with a transfer window to use, a pre season to implement and train and backing and excited fans hoping next season will be different! Goarnn Schuey, Goarnn Stoke |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2024 15:27:57 GMT
All joking aside I’m not his biggest fan but I also don’t trust the board to bring in anyone better. He’s potentially earned another chop at it.
A massive summer lies ahead and it’s probably a bigger job than people realise, all loans need replacing, quite a few need shifting on and there are key positions to fill in the starting 11.
If we get this wrong again and start poorly, pressure will be on and he can’t fall back on previous managers.
Interesting times await, whether good or bad time will tell.
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Post by stokefanone on May 8, 2024 17:13:47 GMT
I like him!
Think he will take us forward.
Got some good young players at the club.
I think he will bring in the extra quality we need in the summer.
Strong character, won’t get easily rattled, proven that with the Ricky Martin situation.
Expect a positive season,
Good luck Mr Schumacher👍
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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 8, 2024 19:14:50 GMT
This is one manager we won't sack,but we could lose him to a bigger club sooner or later.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 8, 2024 21:30:07 GMT
You can only improve if you are honest about where you are and address the issues. You get nowhere by claiming you are better than you are and expecting reality to conform to your ego. When Schumacher took over it was clear as day that we were in a relegation battle and if those appointing Schumacher didn't tell him his first priority was to keep us up they were deluded. We are an ex-Premiership side in name only. The reality is we are a poor Championship side - our peer group in footballing terms is currently Plymouth, Millwall and QPR not West Brom, Norwich and Hull. What we "should" be is completely irrelevant - it's what we are that matters. We aren't going to go up unless everyone associated with the club recognises we are a pretty rubbish Championsip side and need to do a hell of a lot of work to become a decent Championship side let alone one capable of promotion. Schumacher is getting shit on here because some fans aren't prepared to take on board the reality of where the club is at. The fact he didn't steer us to a comfortable league position isn't down to Schumachers failure as a manager and everything to do with the fact that team ended up in a position that reflects where we are as a club. As things stand we are not a Premiership side inexplicably in the wrong position in the Championship just waiting for the handsome Prince to give us a kiss and restore us to our natural beauty. We are an ugly frog that some poor sod saved from drowning in a cesspool of its own making. What we should be is not irrelevant. For two reasons, 1. Ambition. 2. We’ve spent £150m in six years and continually have one of the better budgets for recruitment. When he came in we were shite yes but 9 points away from the playoff spot. He came in to improve us, not keep us in the tail of the league! Ambition does nor mean banging on about how we should be better than we actually are and constantly dissing people because we aren't. It starts by being realistic about our limitations and addressing them. Schumacher did improve us. It isn't about position, its about trajectory. Under Neil we were hurtling towards the bottom of the table. Schumacher initially struggled to change the direction of travel but the fact is by the end of the season he clearly had got to grips with the problems and had us playing some good stuff. Thinking Schumacher didn't live up to expectations says more about your unrealistic expectations than Schumacher's ability as a manager. And believing he did a good job in difficult circumstances has nothing to do with a lack of ambition. |
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Post by doitforfrank on May 8, 2024 21:47:48 GMT
All the metrics say Schumacher has improved us since he’s been here and the team has improved over that time from one that was brittle, toothless and lackadaisical under Neil and looked like going down to one with fight, a team making chances and one that didn’t throw in the towel when going behind. We escaped relegation with a game to spare and finished a place higher than when he arrived, interestingly better than a certain Mr Pulis did over 20 years ago for which he was lauded. Even if we take none of this into account, the improvement in metrics, team spirit, football, chances made, resilience etc there are other factors. He has improved the players, the defence has improved under his watch, bar a few blips. Thompson, Hoever, Laurent, Baker and Campbell improved, Mmaee disciplined and rehabilitated, JunHo trusted and allowed to shine, Manhoef given time and brought into be a key player, Cundle managed properly, dropped and reinstated when necessary. Players that were shoe ins under Neil given a chance and then dropped when they didn’t perform. Schumacher is an excellent coach/manager who has done an excellent job under very difficult circumstances, he’s been positive for the most, honest and at times ruthless. He absolutely deserves next season and a chance to build something here. How very daring of you coming on here and spouting sense. |
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Post by yellowsnowman on May 8, 2024 22:05:52 GMT
All the metrics say Schumacher has improved us since he’s been here and the team has improved over that time from one that was brittle, toothless and lackadaisical under Neil and looked like going down to one with fight, a team making chances and one that didn’t throw in the towel when going behind. We escaped relegation with a game to spare and finished a place higher than when he arrived, interestingly better than a certain Mr Pulis did over 20 years ago for which he was lauded. Even if we take none of this into account, the improvement in metrics, team spirit, football, chances made, resilience etc there are other factors. He has improved the players, the defence has improved under his watch, bar a few blips. Thompson, Hoever, Laurent, Baker and Campbell improved, Mmaee disciplined and rehabilitated, JunHo trusted and allowed to shine, Manhoef given time and brought into be a key player, Cundle managed properly, dropped and reinstated when necessary. Players that were shoe ins under Neil given a chance and then dropped when they didn’t perform. Schumacher is an excellent coach/manager who has done an excellent job under very difficult circumstances, he’s been positive for the most, honest and at times ruthless. He absolutely deserves next season and a chance to build something here. Very well said. UTMP |
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Post by banksy1art on May 21, 2024 16:11:51 GMT
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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 21, 2024 16:51:48 GMT
I really do think this manager is taking us places,let's just hope we can keep him here long enough to see some success.
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Post by thischarmingmanc on May 21, 2024 17:05:58 GMT
Your only as good as your last game, in his last 12 got us 21pts, over a season thats 82, that puts us in the play offs if we maintain form next year.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 26, 2024 6:35:20 GMT
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Post by andystokey on May 26, 2024 7:14:58 GMT
Interesting insight into the fear that had built up in the team about making mistakes. His reaction to that says a lot about his character. Much more open read than the usual guff. |
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Post by stoke111 on May 26, 2024 7:41:50 GMT
Good interview but that sentinel website is a disgrace. |
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Post by thornestein on May 26, 2024 7:44:26 GMT
Good interview but that sentinel website is a disgrace. he does come across really well and a honest assessment |
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Post by FullerMagic on May 26, 2024 7:54:35 GMT
Good interview. He always comes across well. Just a different approach than 90% of managers in how honest and open he is.
Most managers just wouldn't have mentioned the fact that the move to a more risk-free approach after Cardiff was player-driven. And the face he listened to that at what proved to be the pivot point of the season speaks very well of him.
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Post by J-Roar on May 26, 2024 8:08:14 GMT
Interesting interview. Obviously he's the boss but working collaboratively with players and other coaching staff is a refreshing change from most of the previous managers.
Hopefully coming through the bad times will set him up for good times in the future.
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Post by thisisouryear on May 26, 2024 8:29:44 GMT
How refreshing to hear him speak about his approach to doing things, I'm even more impressed now. At the end of the day it's the players who are out on the pitch who will notice problems a lot more. Removing a bit of anxiety in certain situations from the players is definitely a positive move and shows what a great coach we have. More importantly it shows how he wants to connect with his players and make them feel as comfortable as possible so they can be more confident in their roles. It must be a joy working under Schumacher
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Post by gingerninja on May 26, 2024 8:34:28 GMT
We have a good one in SS, if we get the recruitment right, I see no reason why we can't have a good season..some of the football under him has been excellent at times..the early signs in the window are positive, much work left to do, but I am certainly very encouraged.
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Post by baconburger on May 26, 2024 8:36:52 GMT
Good interview. He always comes across well. Just a different approach than 90% of managers in how honest and open he is. Most managers just wouldn't have mentioned the fact that the move to a more risk-free approach after Cardiff was player-driven. And the face he listened to that at what proved to be the pivot point of the season speaks very well of him. That has allayed some of my concerns that it was at the instruction of Walters and confirmed that it isn’t something that Schu believed in or enjoyed. Hopefully we won’t get into that position again where weak minded players voluntarily opt to play low risk, dull percentage football because their self confidence is so low. |
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Post by thisisouryear on May 26, 2024 9:02:51 GMT
Good interview. He always comes across well. Just a different approach than 90% of managers in how honest and open he is. Most managers just wouldn't have mentioned the fact that the move to a more risk-free approach after Cardiff was player-driven. And the face he listened to that at what proved to be the pivot point of the season speaks very well of him. That has allayed some of my concerns that it was at the instruction of Walters and confirmed that it isn’t something that Schu believed in or enjoyed. Hopefully we won’t get into that position again where weak minded players voluntarily opt to play low risk, dull percentage football because their self confidence is so low. The players need to be confident in those around them as well as in their own ability. When you are in a relegation battle and tensions are heightened then taking away a bit of pressure is a very shrewd move which has obviously paid off. Adapting his tactics slightly to the players is good management as long as he isn't over compromising which he didn't |
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