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Post by Scrotnig on May 4, 2024 22:17:52 GMT
Sometimes I wonder what Stoke fans want. The results have improved a hell of a lot. The last 15 games would give us 24 points which if replicated for the season would give us a play off spot. I think he maybe tried to implement too many of his ideas at once which is why we had that bad spell. He realised and changed it to suit. Over the last few games he has slowly added a few more of his methods and the entertainment has improved as well. We’ve been nowhere near this form since we got relegated. It’s also clear there was something a bit toxic going on surrounding Ricky Martin. Things have felt a lot better since then, albeit with the odd blip.
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Post by dicot on May 5, 2024 7:44:05 GMT
Sometimes I wonder what Stoke fans want. The results have improved a hell of a lot. The last 15 games would give us 24 points which if replicated for the season would give us a play off spot. I think he maybe tried to implement too many of his ideas at once which is why we had that bad spell. He realised and changed it to suit. Over the last few games he has slowly added a few more of his methods and the entertainment has improved as well. We’ve been nowhere near this form since we got relegated. you don’t judge a team on just a selective number of games , you judge them on the whole season . And that as been totally shit , we were in a relegation battle , ppl are rightly upset at that I understand being pissed off, we all were. The select number of games is basically a third of the season where he has learnt by his own mistakes. Surely the most pessimistic fan can have some sort of hope.
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Post by thornestein on May 5, 2024 7:53:23 GMT
you don’t judge a team on just a selective number of games , you judge them on the whole season . And that as been totally shit , we were in a relegation battle , ppl are rightly upset at that I understand being pissed off, we all were. The select number of games is basically a third of the season where he has learnt by his own mistakes. Surely the most pessimistic fan can have some sort of hope. he’s sort of changed my mind , but it all depends on transfers now
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Post by citynickscfc on May 5, 2024 10:11:54 GMT
I think it has turned much more optimistic with an air of caution personally. I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do next season now 👍🏼 That's very magnanimous of you Nick. Have you had a change of heart? I thought he had lost the dressing room like many. But he seemed to turn it around, and won them back somehow, which does show there's something about him. But... Both our record for transfers on recent history and his own leave a lot of room for improvement. I mean Cundle was on in the end but took forever to get going, and Ennis? Didn't do much...manhoef took a long time but I don't think he was his either. We seem to be in a bit of a limbo whether he's the manager or he's the head coach, are the signings his or recommendations to him, and are we going to be able to get 50-70% of transfers right instead of what...10%? We still need like 12 players minimum I think on a very small budget. Its going to be tough, but if we are realistic and just aim for top half next season I think he could do ok. If it's another train wreck start we could just see another repeat season of the last. Great end to the season tho.
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Post by stokie1947 on May 5, 2024 13:26:57 GMT
i said it a few months ago and will stick with it extend his contract now
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Post by Scrotnig on May 5, 2024 13:35:01 GMT
That's very magnanimous of you Nick. Have you had a change of heart? I thought he had lost the dressing room like many. But he seemed to turn it around, and won them back somehow, which does show there's something about him. But... Both our record for transfers on recent history and his own leave a lot of room for improvement. I mean Cundle was on in the end but took forever to get going, and Ennis? Didn't do much...manhoef took a long time but I don't think he was his either. We seem to be in a bit of a limbo whether he's the manager or he's the head coach, are the signings his or recommendations to him, and are we going to be able to get 50-70% of transfers right instead of what...10%? We still need like 12 players minimum I think on a very small budget. Its going to be tough, but if we are realistic and just aim for top half next season I think he could do ok. If it's another train wreck start we could just see another repeat season of the last. Great end to the season tho. We can’t look back, only forward. He’s won me over and I think we will have a decent season. The mood music coming out of the club now seems right.
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Post by st13stokie on May 5, 2024 13:46:36 GMT
Schumacher has clearly got us playing more attractive football. I believe a few quality additions and maybe a few left field Jared specials, we could finally be on the up. Promising signs and I think with abit of experience added were a great side. Mid table but here hoping for more of course. As long as we’re improving and staying competitive 90% of games I’m happy.
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Post by Davef on May 5, 2024 13:50:52 GMT
Just reading the interview he sounds a bit erm..not sure about things or is that just me reading it wrongly? He has a 'gentle' dig at the supporters who were wanting him sacked..that's a bit un-necessary, possibly a little peevish as we're still in the Championship and are mostly prepared to give him a chance in a difficult job but he did look like he was losing the plot(if he had one) seriously at one point and running up a blind alley until SJW came along. He's probably talking about fans like this. oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/8127940Can't say as I blame him.
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Post by Eggybread on May 7, 2024 7:37:46 GMT
Can we bin this shit thread now please.Its a pessimist’s dream thread . no , it’s a valid debate A verdict is given at the end not halfway through.Its a nonsense thread and totally unnecessary .
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Post by robrigo on May 7, 2024 7:47:29 GMT
I’ve taken a little time to reflect and I think my opinion of sacking him was wrong. It’s easy to be wise after the event but he hasn’t done too badly. He took over a dysfunctional squad, there was obvious issues behind the scenes, the club has been in a mess for a good few years.
He’s had six months. Played some decent stuff and not so decent stuff but ultimately turned it round and kept us up. He deserves a crack next season without a shadow of a doubt.
My opinion I think was shaped by the disappointment in the club since relegation. Now, let’s look to the summer and get this recruitment right and we may be onto something here.
Sorry Steve.
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Post by thornestein on May 7, 2024 7:49:54 GMT
A verdict is given at the end not halfway through.Its a nonsense thread and totally unnecessary . 17 pages says otherwise
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Post by Eggybread on May 7, 2024 7:55:23 GMT
A verdict is given at the end not halfway through.Its a nonsense thread and totally unnecessary . 17 pages says otherwise How do you work that out? A verdict is given at the end, end of 😎 It was just another thread what split fans at a crucial time when we needed everyone singing from the same hymn book .
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Post by thornestein on May 7, 2024 8:03:48 GMT
How do you work that out? A verdict is given at the end, end of 😎 It was just another thread what split fans at a crucial time when we needed everyone singing from the same hymn book . so you don’t like it then don’t read it , you can give a verdict anytime
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Post by a on May 7, 2024 8:04:31 GMT
I understand being pissed off, we all were. The select number of games is basically a third of the season where he has learnt by his own mistakes. Surely the most pessimistic fan can have some sort of hope. he’s sort of changed my mind , but it all depends on transfers now I’m in the same boat. He has looked out of his depth at times but the run at the end of the season was inspired. I’m happy for him to stay and give him a chance. As you say this summer (as it always seems to be) is pivotal to his chances here. Get the right players in and get top half and I think that would be a success. I’m not getting giddy about playoffs given how every season since relegation has been a huge disappointment, but a higher finish would be most welcome.
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Post by Pugsley on May 7, 2024 8:49:58 GMT
he’s sort of changed my mind , but it all depends on transfers now I’m in the same boat. He has looked out of his depth at times but the run at the end of the season was inspired. I’m happy for him to stay and give him a chance. As you say this summer (as it always seems to be) is pivotal to his chances here. Get the right players in and get top half and I think that would be a success. I’m not getting giddy about playoffs given how every season since relegation has been a huge disappointment, but a higher finish would be most welcome. Out of his depth? Based on what, a couple of team selections and bad results? That goes for every manager on the planet then. A load of rot is peddled about the current manager. He’s proved a lot coming into a club in crisis and got us out of it.
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Post by a on May 7, 2024 9:23:23 GMT
I’m in the same boat. He has looked out of his depth at times but the run at the end of the season was inspired. I’m happy for him to stay and give him a chance. As you say this summer (as it always seems to be) is pivotal to his chances here. Get the right players in and get top half and I think that would be a success. I’m not getting giddy about playoffs given how every season since relegation has been a huge disappointment, but a higher finish would be most welcome. Out of his depth? Based on what, a couple of team selections and bad results? That goes for every manager on the planet then. A load of rot is peddled about the current manager. He’s proved a lot coming into a club in crisis and got us out of it. Based on us being in a relegation fight and based on his lack of experience.
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Post by werrington on May 7, 2024 10:56:31 GMT
Out of his depth? Based on what, a couple of team selections and bad results? That goes for every manager on the planet then. A load of rot is peddled about the current manager. He’s proved a lot coming into a club in crisis and got us out of it. Based on us being in a relegation fight and based on his lack of experience. What’s all this lack of experience nonsense? He was Plymouth argyle manager for 2 years and previously a number 2 at Plymouth It’s another stick to try and justify all the shite posted about him
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Post by a on May 7, 2024 11:02:02 GMT
Based on us being in a relegation fight and based on his lack of experience. What’s all this lack of experience nonsense? He was Plymouth argyle manager for 2 years and previously a number 2 at Plymouth It’s another stick to try and justify all the shite posted about him In terms of managing in the Championship I mean. I’m not trying to do him down but it is true he has limited experience compared to most other managers. It’s why foreign managers can be hit or miss too, no two leagues are the same.
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Post by ian57 on May 7, 2024 11:50:46 GMT
I sometimes get the feeling that a few on here will not be happy until we either sack schuey or get relegated so that they can come on here to crow about how right they were all along.
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Post by thornestein on May 7, 2024 11:52:04 GMT
I sometimes get the feeling that a few on here will not be happy until we either sack schuey or get relegated so that they can come on here to crow about how right they were all along. what a shocker , who would have thought ppl have different opinions
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Post by LGH87 on May 7, 2024 11:53:58 GMT
What’s all this lack of experience nonsense? He was Plymouth argyle manager for 2 years and previously a number 2 at Plymouth It’s another stick to try and justify all the shite posted about him In terms of managing in the Championship I mean. I’m not trying to do him down but it is true he has limited experience compared to most other managers. It’s why foreign managers can be hit or miss too, no two leagues are the same. Experience is overrated. Look at Danny Rohl at Sheff Weds, Kieran McKenna etc
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Post by werrington on May 7, 2024 11:56:37 GMT
In terms of managing in the Championship I mean. I’m not trying to do him down but it is true he has limited experience compared to most other managers. It’s why foreign managers can be hit or miss too, no two leagues are the same. Experience is overrated. Look at Danny Rohl at Sheff Weds, Kieran McKenna etc Or we could of gone with experience like Birmingham city did It’s all utter bollocks
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Post by march4 on May 7, 2024 12:00:13 GMT
Was the run of results over the past 8 games of the season our best since relegation? Rowett went 8 games unbeaten just before he was sacked but we didn’t win as many games.
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Post by Eggybread on May 7, 2024 12:05:25 GMT
How do you work that out? A verdict is given at the end, end of 😎 It was just another thread what split fans at a crucial time when we needed everyone singing from the same hymn book . so you don’t like it then don’t read it , you can give a verdict anytime Incorrect a verdict can only be given "after" the facts.But all of the facts weren't available as we hadn't finished.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on May 7, 2024 12:17:25 GMT
'He kept us up' is probably a fair statement.
In December, when he was appointed, I doubt he was told specifically to 'keep us up'; it would have been assumed. Fairly safe to say it would have been the remit of 'progress up the league' (or better).
Therefore, his first six months can be surmised as 'below expected'
Anyhow, onwards and upwards, jury is out for me but a summer and a fresh start will keep me positive going into the new season (till November)
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Post by a on May 7, 2024 12:18:38 GMT
Experience is overrated. Look at Danny Rohl at Sheff Weds, Kieran McKenna etc Or we could of gone with experience like Birmingham city did It’s all utter bollocks Wayne Rooney sized experience 😂 Maybe it is all bollocks
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Post by a on May 7, 2024 12:23:15 GMT
In terms of managing in the Championship I mean. I’m not trying to do him down but it is true he has limited experience compared to most other managers. It’s why foreign managers can be hit or miss too, no two leagues are the same. Experience is overrated. Look at Danny Rohl at Sheff Weds, Kieran McKenna etc Sometimes it works out, sometimes not. Huddersfield for example, then Eustace isn’t exactly that experienced and did the job required. I think that some managers come in to save a club from relegation like Allardyce, Pulis etc. either way I think SS has made a good job of it in the end so earns the right to try to take us forward. Onwards and hopefully upwards
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Post by alsager58 on May 7, 2024 12:23:16 GMT
Well done Schuey just do it again next season
For those short sighted ones who are chasing an experienced manager stuck in their dinosaur ways, take your pick from this mob
Bruce Allardyce Warnock Beale Joe Foreigner Ainsworth Nigel Pearson Rooney Michael Duff Darren Moore
Take your pick, Now give your head a wobble and realise what we have Go on Schuey Just do it !!!!
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Post by werrington on May 7, 2024 12:28:55 GMT
Or we could of gone with experience like Birmingham city did It’s all utter bollocks Wayne Rooney sized experience 😂 Maybe it is all bollocks Rooney did a fantastic job at championship Derby and then they had Rowett who couldn’t save them So yeah they went the experience route
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Post by a on May 7, 2024 12:33:52 GMT
Wayne Rooney sized experience 😂 Maybe it is all bollocks Rooney did a fantastic job at championship Derby and then they had Rowett who couldn’t save them So yeah they went the experience route 1.16ppg isn’t exactly great, but that team wasn’t either so maybe I’m being unfair. 1.6ppg for Rowett at Derby too
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