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Post by mtrstudent on May 2, 2024 15:39:22 GMT
Oh he’s definitely earned the right to continue in the job, totally agree. Don’t think there is an argument to get rid of him now, would be extremely extremely harsh. I do hope we are not giving him free rein in the transfer market though. We changed our recruitment model last summer and in some ways it has paid off. Bae, Burger and Manhoef for example look like really good additions, and Mmae too if he can get a few goals and get his attitude right. My biggest concern with having fired the DoF is we go back fully to the manager led recruitment and bring in his players - visions of Ennis, Johnson, Pearson and Gooch all over again. Hopefully the people running the club have not had a knee jerk reaction to AN and keep the faith. Basically agree with you mate. Verdict not finalised but I'm looking forward to next season. I was asking for the switch in recruitment strategy for ages and think we should stick with it - you're 100% right imo. Not sure who dropped a bollock with the LB situation though. |
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Post by swampmongrel on May 2, 2024 15:48:01 GMT
He coached us to play in a more entertaining way. He noticed Junior and Bae are good. Most importantly it feels like we don't just give up after a bad spell or going a goal down. We actually came back from being a goal down on more than one occasion after SS came in. I saw a stat at the time that said we’d not done that for a long long time. We definitely looked like we had more fight than previously. That said, I don’t think Schumacher did a good job, he did ok and that’s about it in my view. As someone above pointed out, based on the half season he had, extended over a full season it would put us 17th or so. So yeah, not that good in fairness and I don’t think the squad is as bad as some are making out. I think it’s actually 13th position. 30 points out of half a season (23 games) equals 60 points. This would put us at 13th. Not great but reasonable progress. |
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Post by Picasso on May 2, 2024 15:58:13 GMT
We actually came back from being a goal down on more than one occasion after SS came in. I saw a stat at the time that said we’d not done that for a long long time. We definitely looked like we had more fight than previously. That said, I don’t think Schumacher did a good job, he did ok and that’s about it in my view. As someone above pointed out, based on the half season he had, extended over a full season it would put us 17th or so. So yeah, not that good in fairness and I don’t think the squad is as bad as some are making out. I think it’s actually 13th position. 30 points out of half a season (23 games) equals 60 points. This would put us at 13th. Not great but reasonable progress. …. Or 18 points from his most recent 11 (half his time here) equalling 72 from 44 - Enough for the play-offs. Stats can be made to look how we want, as we know, but there’s a definite upward curve. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2024 16:13:27 GMT
5/10.
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Post by baconburger on May 2, 2024 17:44:17 GMT
I think it’s actually 13th position. 30 points out of half a season (23 games) equals 60 points. This would put us at 13th. Not great but reasonable progress. …. Or 18 points from his most recent 11 (half his time here) equalling 72 from 44 - Enough for the play-offs. Stats can be made to look how we want, as we know, but there’s a definite upward curve. I don’t think any of them are going to give us a definitive picture. Quite a lot of those points were won with Schu going totally against his every instinct( I’m not to sure it was voluntary). I’m not sure whether we have any sort of plan going forward other than playing both sides of the same coin simultaneously, personally I don’t think that’s going to work. We need an identity and an ethos. I think we’re yet to see whether Schu and Walters are on the same page. If not I predict more of the same. The owner needs to commit to something for more than five minutes and the Sporting Director needs to reveal himself. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2024 17:54:05 GMT
As has been said earlier up the thread. He's done a better job than Alex Neil, with pretty-much the same squad at his disposal. If we'd have gotten hold of a more commanding Centre Half, and an even half-competent Centre Forward (I'm thinking Kiefer Moore here) then we'd be significantly better off. We're going to see some churn this summer so I'm happy to see Schumacher at the helm next year, looking ahead to a more balanced squad. A slightly better job than the man we sacked for being shite. About sums him up for me. Beige I've yet to see anyone suggest an alternative/replacement that would: Be available Be willing to come here Have a Track record Not be on the 'managerial merry-go-round' Not be idiotic 'pie in the sky' I'm willing to be convinced. |
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Post by smallthorner on May 2, 2024 18:36:49 GMT
It's been like a chef being asked to cook a gourmet meal with produce from Iceland If they were a good chef they probably would. |
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Post by wakefieldstokie on May 2, 2024 20:20:56 GMT
A slightly better job than the man we sacked for being shite. About sums him up for me. Beige I've yet to see anyone suggest an alternative/replacement that would: Be available Be willing to come here Have a Track record Not be on the 'managerial merry-go-round' Not be idiotic 'pie in the sky' I'm willing to be convinced. I just don’t get the ‘there’s no one else stance’ it’s a ridiculous, defeatist stance. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2024 20:41:55 GMT
I've yet to see anyone suggest an alternative/replacement that would: Be available Be willing to come here Have a Track record Not be on the 'managerial merry-go-round' Not be idiotic 'pie in the sky' I'm willing to be convinced. I just don’t get the ‘there’s no one else stance’ it’s a ridiculous, defeatist stance. If he was sacked tomorrow we'd need another manager. Not one name has been mentioned in months, on here, that fits the criteria I listed. It's not defeatist, it's a fair question - who? There was talk of Gareth Ainsworth on here, not so long ago. |
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Post by silsdenstokie on May 2, 2024 20:47:27 GMT
Given they kept the previius idiot on after he lost 6/7 games at the end of last season theres no way they’ll ditch Schu
And rightly so
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Post by ian57 on May 3, 2024 18:31:37 GMT
I've yet to see anyone suggest an alternative/replacement that would: Be available Be willing to come here Have a Track record Not be on the 'managerial merry-go-round' Not be idiotic 'pie in the sky' I'm willing to be convinced. I just don’t get the ‘there’s no one else stance’ it’s a ridiculous, defeatist stance. why do we need to look? we’ve got the right bloke in charge. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 4, 2024 10:53:39 GMT
Let's face it,if they sacked Schu,they would put Walters in charge who has no experience then will wonder why its gone tits up.
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Post by Scrotnig on May 4, 2024 13:59:40 GMT
FFS are we really still arguing about whether he should be sacked?
I will admit I wanted him gone at one point but it’s clear he and Walters could do something good here.
Clearly there were big problems when Martin was still around.
It took King Tone a good while to improve things when he first came here. Similar to now, a lot of it wasn’t his fault.
It might not work but it has a better chance than anyone else I can think of and I feel oddly optimistic that we will do much better next season. I believe we now have the right team running things, we just need the right players, though it’s clear we do already have a few of them.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 4, 2024 14:16:52 GMT
I'm not convinced as stated before but I really liked his honest assessment and interview post match. He's keeping his feet firmly on the ground not pretending he knows that next season will be different. He's done his history and knows the recent manager timeline at Stoke. He's got a very busy, challenging summer ahead.
We will know by the end of September if he's going to make it here.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2024 14:19:23 GMT
The hard work starts now.
Over to you, boss.
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Post by potterfox1011 on May 4, 2024 14:37:59 GMT
FFS are we really still arguing about whether he should be sacked? I will admit I wanted him gone at one point but it’s clear he and Walters could do something good here. Clearly there were big problems when Martin was still around. It took King Tone a good while to improve things when he first came here. Similar to now, a lot of it wasn’t his fault. It might not work but it has a better chance than anyone else I can think of and I feel oddly optimistic that we will do much better next season. I believe we now have the right team running things, we just need the right players, though it’s clear we do already have a few of them. 21 points from 12 since Cardiff really starting to play good attacking football not sure what more people expect from him |
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Post by pavel on May 4, 2024 14:49:04 GMT
The hard work starts now. Over to you, boss. I actually think he's done a lot of hard work in keeping us up and I have to say for the last 3 games in some style too. However more hard work is now required to assemble a squad that is capable of competing with the best next season in this division, that won't totally be down to him but it's crucial that he stamps his identity and ethos on any who sign. We have seen we have some very good players here now, the trick will be to supplement them with players who will complement, improve and solidify us as a team rather than be a bunch of individuals so we can hit the ground running. Hopefully he will end up with a squad at the start of the season who he can trust, mould and rely on to translate his vision of attacking front footed football so it is implemented on the pitch for us all to see on a regular basis. This last run of games has given me a lot of hope that this will be achievable. As I have said before, I like him as a coach and a person, which I haven't been able to say about a Stoke manager/coach for a long while. |
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Post by hughjarse on May 4, 2024 14:49:27 GMT
AN took 21 pts. from 20 league games at the start of the season (before his sacking). That equates to 1.05 ppg or 48.3 pts from a whole season which would have left us in 22nd place and playing in League One.
SS took 33 pts. from his 24 games in charge. 1.375 ppg or 63.25 pts from a whole season and 10th place.
That’s a pretty huge turnaround with what is basically someone else’s players….just got to get the recruitment right now
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2024 14:51:23 GMT
21 points from the last twelve games is better than what we've been used to since we have been in this league. He's done a good job
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Post by chad on May 4, 2024 14:53:29 GMT
AN took 21 pts. from 20 league games at the start of the season (before his sacking). That equates to 1.05 ppg or 48.3 pts from a whole season which would have left us in 22nd place and playing in League One. SS took 33 pts. from his 24 games in charge. 1.375 ppg or 63.25 pts from a whole season and 10th place. That’s a pretty huge turnaround with what is basically someone else’s players….just got to get the recruitment right now I think he’s earned the right to be given a good crack at it next year. The last few weeks have not only seen good results but some very good football as well |
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 4, 2024 14:54:44 GMT
No comparison.
I’d put Neil 2nd on the list of shit managers we’ve had since relegation behind Rowett. Unlikeable, arrogant fraud……
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Post by lordb on May 4, 2024 14:54:54 GMT
Think I'm right in saying last 3 home games we've had 20 plus shots in each game
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Post by thornestein on May 4, 2024 14:55:09 GMT
AN took 21 pts. from 20 league games at the start of the season (before his sacking). That equates to 1.05 ppg or 48.3 pts from a whole season which would have left us in 22nd place and playing in League One. SS took 33 pts. from his 24 games in charge. 1.375 ppg or 63.25 pts from a whole season and 10th place. That’s a pretty huge turnaround with what is basically someone else’s players….just got to get the recruitment right now I think he’s earned the right to be given a good crack at it next year. The last few weeks have not only seen good results but some very good football as well i’ve swayed over to this , mainly because i don’t trust who we would get next tbh |
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Post by baystokie on May 4, 2024 14:55:43 GMT
AN took 21 pts. from 20 league games at the start of the season (before his sacking). That equates to 1.05 ppg or 48.3 pts from a whole season which would have left us in 22nd place and playing in League One. SS took 33 pts. from his 24 games in charge. 1.375 ppg or 63.25 pts from a whole season and 10th place. That’s a pretty huge turnaround with what is basically someone else’s players….just got to get the recruitment right now The 20 teams that Neill faced and the 24 that Schumacher faced were different teams and at different stages of the season so how can you compare? If they had been the same opponents for both managers then there may be some merit in comparing, but otherwise?? |
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Post by Pottersfan on May 4, 2024 14:57:23 GMT
Form table over the last 10 games.
We'd of finished 5th
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Post by ParaPsych on May 4, 2024 14:57:23 GMT
No comparison. I’d put Neil 2nd on the list of shit managers we’ve had since relegation behind Rowett. Unlikeable, arrogant fraud…… I'd still put Jones lower than Neil, but yeah he was shit. Also Nigel Johnson thinks he's a cunt. |
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Post by southernish on May 4, 2024 14:59:24 GMT
AN took 21 pts. from 20 league games at the start of the season (before his sacking). That equates to 1.05 ppg or 48.3 pts from a whole season which would have left us in 22nd place and playing in League One. SS took 33 pts. from his 24 games in charge. 1.375 ppg or 63.25 pts from a whole season and 10th place. That’s a pretty huge turnaround with what is basically someone else’s players….just got to get the recruitment right now I think he’s earned the right to be given a good crack at it next year. The last few weeks have not only seen good results but some very good football as well Also worth noting that the players that he brought over have also started showing up as well as our other myriad of signings. Shows he has a good eye at least. Think a full summer window and pre season would be enough for him to bed in his style and culture and I think he has earned it. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 4, 2024 15:01:15 GMT
I think the attendance for today’s game tells you how folk feel about Schumacher and the verdict,voting with their feet👍
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Post by marwood on May 4, 2024 15:14:34 GMT
Whatever their respective points tally, Neil was a prickly, obtuse, dour, unlikeable shit manager - way out of his depth
Schumacher is a likeable amiable approachable honest manager who has learnt on the job
No contest
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Post by stokief on May 4, 2024 15:15:40 GMT
Just reading the interview he sounds a bit erm..not sure about things or is that just me reading it wrongly? He has a 'gentle' dig at the supporters who were wanting him sacked..that's a bit un-necessary, possibly a little peevish as we're still in the Championship and are mostly prepared to give him a chance in a difficult job but he did look like he was losing the plot(if he had one) seriously at one point and running up a blind alley until SJW came along. He also talks about the loanees and makes it sound like in general he doesn't feel he has much old fashioned say in who comes in etc and therefore one could presume, who departs? I think that after the cr@p we've put up with constantly over the last few years the dignified way would be to let sleeping dogs lie. As I say, maybe I'm reading more in to it or maybe behind the scenes he's not even sure if he WILL still be Head Coach or whatever his title is.  |
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