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Post by Marc01 on May 4, 2024 15:25:11 GMT
Very much about commitment, teamwork / working in packs all over the field.
Incisive football, full of attacking intent and goal attempts.
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Post by Eggybread on May 4, 2024 15:37:28 GMT
Can we bin this shit thread now please.Its a pessimist’s dream thread .
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Post by thornestein on May 4, 2024 15:38:44 GMT
Can we bin this shit thread now please.Its a pessimist’s dream thread . no , it’s a valid debate |
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Post by hughjarse on May 4, 2024 15:39:30 GMT
AN took 21 pts. from 20 league games at the start of the season (before his sacking). That equates to 1.05 ppg or 48.3 pts from a whole season which would have left us in 22nd place and playing in League One. SS took 33 pts. from his 24 games in charge. 1.375 ppg or 63.25 pts from a whole season and 10th place. That’s a pretty huge turnaround with what is basically someone else’s players….just got to get the recruitment right now The 20 teams that Neill faced and the 24 that Schumacher faced were different teams and at different stages of the season so how can you compare? If they had been the same opponents for both managers then there may be some merit in comparing, but otherwise?? But that would mean you could never compare two managers 🤷 |
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Post by citynickscfc on May 4, 2024 15:41:53 GMT
Can we bin this shit thread now please.Its a pessimist’s dream thread . I think it has turned much more optimistic with an air of caution personally. I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do next season now 👍🏼 |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2024 15:50:01 GMT
The hard work starts now. Over to you, boss. I actually think he's done a lot of hard work in keeping us up and I have to say for the last 3 games in some style too. However more hard work is now required to assemble a squad that is capable of competing with the best next season in this division, that won't totally be down to him but it's crucial that he stamps his identity and ethos on any who sign. We have seen we have some very good players here now, the trick will be to supplement them with players who will complement, improve and solidify us as a team rather than be a bunch of individuals so we can hit the ground running. Hopefully he will end up with a squad at the start of the season who he can trust, mould and rely on to translate his vision of attacking front footed football so it is implemented on the pitch for us all to see on a regular basis. This last run of games has given me a lot of hope that this will be achievable. As I have said before, I like him as a coach and a person, which I haven't been able to say about a Stoke manager/coach for a long while. I think he's made hard work of keeping us up if i'm honest. The football we've played over the last 6 games or so has proven that the squad has talent and asks questions as to if they were mismanaged for large parts of his early time here. Good that we've finally seen remnants of a Schumacher style though. The hard work is the same hard work that nearly every manager has failed with since being relegated - and that's building a squad over the summer that can play the way the manager wants. For some dodgy reason, it always seems to be the impossible task at this club, normally resulting in a November/December trolley dash for another manager. If he can stop that happening next season he is instantly promoted to being our best manager since relegation in my book. |
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Post by Marc01 on May 4, 2024 15:57:06 GMT
Failure to perform over two halves has been an ongoing problem for years….
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on May 4, 2024 16:08:58 GMT
Just reading the interview he sounds a bit erm..not sure about things or is that just me reading it wrongly? He has a 'gentle' dig at the supporters who were wanting him sacked..that's a bit un-necessary, possibly a little peevish as we're still in the Championship and are mostly prepared to give him a chance in a difficult job but he did look like he was losing the plot(if he had one) seriously at one point and running up a blind alley until SJW came along. He also talks about the loanees and makes it sound like in general he doesn't feel he has much old fashioned say in who comes in etc and therefore one could presume, who departs? I think that after the cr@p we've put up with constantly over the last few years the dignified way would be to let sleeping dogs lie. As I say, maybe I'm reading more in to it or maybe behind the scenes he's not even sure if he WILL still be Head Coach or whatever his title is.  I agree his interview was rather strange. Maybe just lowering expectations for next season! |
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Post by coldtuesdaynight on May 4, 2024 16:24:00 GMT
I also don't think the squad's that bad, in the sense we're a few players away from being decent enough. But a few players are enough to break the balance of the whole team. And our finishing was disastrous. Not sure if Schuey is better than average but he's earned a go for me. Oh he’s definitely earned the right to continue in the job, totally agree. Don’t think there is an argument to get rid of him now, would be extremely extremely harsh. I do hope we are not giving him free rein in the transfer market though. We changed our recruitment model last summer and in some ways it has paid off. Bae, Burger and Manhoef for example look like really good additions, and Mmae too if he can get a few goals and get his attitude right. My biggest concern with having fired the DoF is we go back fully to the manager led recruitment and bring in his players - visions of Ennis, Johnson, Pearson and Gooch all over again. Hopefully the people running the club have not had a knee jerk reaction to AN and keep the faith. 100%. Hopefully the few manager led purchases where solely down to how new the recruitment team was, rather than something to expect to happen again. Luckily I think the ludicrous profit to be made on the first 3 you mentioned and probably Junior will mean we double down on that method. It’s not just the wages and/or transfer fee cost of the other players you mention, it’s the lost opportunity to have that squad space filled with another well scouted player who might net us a big transfer fee before too long. |
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Post by DansViews on May 4, 2024 16:31:15 GMT
Just reading the interview he sounds a bit erm..not sure about things or is that just me reading it wrongly? He has a 'gentle' dig at the supporters who were wanting him sacked..that's a bit un-necessary, possibly a little peevish as we're still in the Championship and are mostly prepared to give him a chance in a difficult job but he did look like he was losing the plot(if he had one) seriously at one point and running up a blind alley until SJW came along. He also talks about the loanees and makes it sound like in general he doesn't feel he has much old fashioned say in who comes in etc and therefore one could presume, who departs? I think that after the cr@p we've put up with constantly over the last few years the dignified way would be to let sleeping dogs lie. As I say, maybe I'm reading more in to it or maybe behind the scenes he's not even sure if he WILL still be Head Coach or whatever his title is. I agree his interview was rather strange. Maybe just lowering expectations for next season! He seems a down to earth guy who’s says it how it is. He isn’t wrong in what he says |
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Post by dicot on May 4, 2024 16:34:46 GMT
Sometimes I wonder what Stoke fans want. The results have improved a hell of a lot. The last 15 games would give us 24 points which if replicated for the season would give us a play off spot. I think he maybe tried to implement too many of his ideas at once which is why we had that bad spell. He realised and changed it to suit. Over the last few games he has slowly added a few more of his methods and the entertainment has improved as well. We’ve been nowhere near this form since we got relegated.
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Post by stokief on May 4, 2024 16:38:46 GMT
Just reading the interview he sounds a bit erm..not sure about things or is that just me reading it wrongly? He has a 'gentle' dig at the supporters who were wanting him sacked..that's a bit un-necessary, possibly a little peevish as we're still in the Championship and are mostly prepared to give him a chance in a difficult job but he did look like he was losing the plot(if he had one) seriously at one point and running up a blind alley until SJW came along. He also talks about the loanees and makes it sound like in general he doesn't feel he has much old fashioned say in who comes in etc and therefore one could presume, who departs? I think that after the cr@p we've put up with constantly over the last few years the dignified way would be to let sleeping dogs lie. As I say, maybe I'm reading more in to it or maybe behind the scenes he's not even sure if he WILL still be Head Coach or whatever his title is. I agree his interview was rather strange. Maybe just lowering expectations for next season! I think our expectations in the cold light of day are probably now exuberantly optimistic after a great win and performance where we're grateful for whatever crumbs of comfort we can get and then crashing back down to the all-too-familiar doom mongery with the lack of consitency that sees the 'other' Stoke walk out of the tunnel the next match. I appreciate he wants to sound not 'over the moon' after clawing our way out of trouble but I find the sarky digs a bit un-necessary. I'm not entirely sure that he's had that sit down discussion with the powers that be yet from that tone. Still, we've definitely got some talent here if we can keep it and add correctly to it and I certainly don't want to see us constantly changing managers/coaches, incidentally, he was Manager at Plymouth and Head Coach here I presume. Maybe Head Coach doesn't give him as much power as he's previously had? |
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 4, 2024 16:43:38 GMT
They looked like they are coached now and you can see what we are actually trying to do.
That is a first for a long time so it’s a start at least!
I really enjoyed today and thought we were superb last week.
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Post by onionman on May 4, 2024 16:46:54 GMT
He’s got us going in the right direction very quickly, considering how things looked a few weeks ago. Well done Schumacher.
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Post by jokker on May 4, 2024 16:49:59 GMT
He wanted momentum for next season, and he got it. It's a shame this one doesn't last another ten games...
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Post by samwidge on May 4, 2024 16:55:11 GMT
Can we bin this shit thread now please.Its a pessimist’s dream thread . I think it has turned much more optimistic with an air of caution personally. I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do next season now 👍🏼 That's very magnanimous of you Nick. Have you had a change of heart? |
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Post by mamathestriker on May 4, 2024 16:59:30 GMT
Loved his comment on much more work needing to be done.
Since SJW came in he's been able to do his job rather than the internal politics.
I'm genuinely looking forward to seeing how far SS can take us now.
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Post by misterj on May 4, 2024 17:09:28 GMT
Anyone can see that last summer’s gamble (re-set?) of trying to take the club in a completely different direction was an epic fail (other than Burger & Junho of course) I know Manhoef and Cundle have been good also but they were SS signings. So now SS/SJW have a whole summer window to put their own stamp on things - who to keep, who to let go and who to sign. Don’t think we can really judge him until he’s had 12 months to show his credentials - certainly the last 5 or 6 games you could see something happening that’s been missing all season ….. determination, energy, resilience, confidence and genuinely looking like they give a sh**
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Post by thornestein on May 4, 2024 17:24:46 GMT
Sometimes I wonder what Stoke fans want. The results have improved a hell of a lot. The last 15 games would give us 24 points which if replicated for the season would give us a play off spot. I think he maybe tried to implement too many of his ideas at once which is why we had that bad spell. He realised and changed it to suit. Over the last few games he has slowly added a few more of his methods and the entertainment has improved as well. We’ve been nowhere near this form since we got relegated. you don’t judge a team on just a selective number of games , you judge them on the whole season . And that as been totally shit , we were in a relegation battle , ppl are rightly upset at that |
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Post by Waggy on May 4, 2024 18:02:18 GMT
Thank you Steven. Feel optimistic for next season. At last we seem to be playing exciting football. Few good signings and I think next season could be good. The turning point came when we hit the bottom 3 and it galvanised us all. Up the potters
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on May 4, 2024 19:05:52 GMT
Sometimes I wonder what Stoke fans want. The results have improved a hell of a lot. The last 15 games would give us 24 points which if replicated for the season would give us a play off spot. I think he maybe tried to implement too many of his ideas at once which is why we had that bad spell. He realised and changed it to suit. Over the last few games he has slowly added a few more of his methods and the entertainment has improved as well. We’ve been nowhere near this form since we got relegated. We have 2 or 3 times. Weren't we second after 8 or 9 games under O'Neill? Both times we were doing well we were hit with injuries to in form players like Souttar and Campbell. And there was that big win against Hull before the pandemic paused everything. |
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Post by stokesupporter on May 4, 2024 20:15:57 GMT
Sometimes I wonder what Stoke fans want. The results have improved a hell of a lot. The last 15 games would give us 24 points which if replicated for the season would give us a play off spot. I think he maybe tried to implement too many of his ideas at once which is why we had that bad spell. He realised and changed it to suit. Over the last few games he has slowly added a few more of his methods and the entertainment has improved as well. We’ve been nowhere near this form since we got relegated. Probably some dinosaur like Warnock who's tired and not learning anything anymore, and who they want out after 4 months. Perhaps some are junkies of the constant manager changes and new starts. |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2024 20:27:33 GMT
So the manager states the season hasn’t been good enough but some stoke fans are creaming their pants as if we’ve achieved something wonderful in staying up.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2024 20:29:41 GMT
He should still be sacked, 3 games doesn’t make half a season.
Plus I don’t like his voice so that should be a sackable offence.
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Post by pushon on May 4, 2024 21:19:35 GMT
So the manager states the season hasn’t been good enough but some stoke fans are creaming their pants as if we’ve achieved something wonderful in staying up. Who is this manager you refer to? |
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Post by Picasso on May 4, 2024 21:23:15 GMT
He should still be sacked, 3 games doesn’t make half a season. Plus I don’t like his voice so that should be a sackable offence. Try to look beyond your nose. |
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Post by andystokey on May 4, 2024 21:30:08 GMT
Very much about commitment, teamwork / working in packs all over the field. Incisive football, full of attacking intent and goal attempts. I heard that interview and thought, that's what higher standards sounds like. It's been a while since weve hesrd it, but he hit the right tone. |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on May 4, 2024 21:32:51 GMT
He ain't gonna be sacked or anything now, so it's going to be an interesting summer to see who he brings in!!!
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 4, 2024 21:53:56 GMT
He should still be sacked, 3 games doesn’t make half a season. Plus I don’t like his voice so that should be a sackable offence. What a clown |
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Post by scfcno1fan on May 4, 2024 22:11:13 GMT
Objectively we’ve finished the season well.
14th in the last 25 games.
13th in the last 20 games.
8th in the last 15 games.
5th in the last 10 games.
4th in the last 5 games.
Let’s see what he can do next season.
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