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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 1, 2024 12:16:48 GMT
Reform (and UKIP) did seem to attract some odd bod characters/ mavericks. Having said that perhaps Galloway could almost be in the same category, a one off, a chequered history. Yet he was elected. don't think Reform has any chance whatsoever, nor the Tories, Just as George would have no chance in Surrey, Devon etc nor most constituencies across the UK. Perhaps we should stick to policies not personalities as far as possible. Great idea about personalities. That would be the end of that wanker Farage for a start. Or possibly the opposite
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Post by starkiller on Mar 1, 2024 12:18:08 GMT
Therefore Muslim demands can hold sway over the Labour Party. And that won't go down well with most of the electorate. And I was dismissed on here weeks ago when I said the loss of Muslim vote will be a huge problem for Labour. If the Muslim vote holding sway over the Labour Party won't go down well with most of the electorate then surely losing the Muslim vote will go down well with most of the electorate because they will no longer be seen as being swayed by Muslim vote. So how is losing the Muslim vote a big problem for Labour? Congratulations - you have managed to make two completely contradictory statements in a single post. They are caught between the two positions. And they heavily rely on the Muslim to win them enough seats.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 1, 2024 12:18:34 GMT
You were asking the other day BJR about populist politicians and the difference between left and right. Well what we saw last night, in Galloway, is a perfect example of a populist politician from the left. Hopefully his win, will get Starmer to have a rethink on his position on Gaza, as it becomes apparent to him that for a lot of traditional Labour voters, Palestine is a line that a Labour leader simply shouldn't cross. But as I said last night, it's still too early to tell if Galloway will become an actual thorn in Starmer's side. As for Tice, we'll it's a devastating blow for him and he was getting his excuses in early last night. It's all a rather bit odd that none of the other party's have complained about any intimidation at all and it does make you wonder if Tice is throwing his toys out of the pram a bit on this one. It'll be interesting to see if there are any prosecutions as a result of his claims, I rather suspect that there won't. I don't think it is a big blow for Tice myself Paul. And I don't think we should ignore his concerns about intimidation ( and fraud), it does seem to be a wider issue than Rochdale recently. If he feels that candidates have been intimidated he should be listened to and evidence investigated. And it is not just Tice www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/24/conservatives-complain-intimidation-and-bullying-rochdale/www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/sep/21/uk-electoral-commission-local-elections-may-candidate-intimidationHow does this intimidation actually effect a result though? No-one can stand over someone when they cast their vote, nor know what anybody else is voting for, if you intimate someone aren't they more likely to vote against that? For postal votes you have to be registered, provide national insurance number, passport evidence etc these days so it's difficult to get around that one.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Mar 1, 2024 12:19:38 GMT
This is laughably desperate stuff, and akin to when the Hartlepool by-election had supporters of the previous (disgraceful) Labour leader out in cult force 10. How does a candidate which Starmer removed support from, and if elected would have sat as in independent, be in anyway comparable to elections in '17 and '19. Meanwhile, Starmer's Labour party sits on poll leads of anywhere from 15 - 25 points. I feel for the people of Rochdale today, a candidate with an endorsement from Nick Griffin will darken the doorway of even the most rancid Parliament for however long it has left. The people of Rochdale have exercised their democratic right to vote in their preferred candidate. They don't want pity, they want their hospital back, they want their town centre regenerated, they want affordable housing and they want their football club to remain in existence. I have no time for George Galloway, but he represents an appetite for change (whether that be on the left or the right), the current electoral system makes that hard but it's a good thing that the main parties are getting a bloody nose, it might make them work harder for people's votes........ Quelle Surprise. I shall update my point: I feel for the 61.3% of Rochdale's democratic electorate that didn't vote for his appetite of change in addition to those who chose not to vote at all.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 1, 2024 12:21:19 GMT
How does this intimidation actually effect a result though? No-one can stand over someone when they cast their vote, nor know what anybody else is voting for, if you intimate someone aren't they more likely to vote against that? For postal votes you have to be registered, provide national insurance number, passport evidence etc these days so it's difficult to get around that one. There should be no intimidation whatsoever. It needs stamping out before it escalates. Why do it... whether it affects voting or not. On postal votes , do we know who is actually filling in the forms? Do 22,000 really need them?
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Post by ian57 on Mar 1, 2024 12:25:05 GMT
I wake up every morning knowing that sad Iq khan is the mayor of my city and now George Galloway has been elected mp for Rochdale. British politics are completely fucked. Crikey, it's a good job you don't think about who's actually running the country, now that would be scary. the wef and it is scary.
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 1, 2024 12:28:41 GMT
The people of Rochdale have exercised their democratic right to vote in their preferred candidate. They don't want pity, they want their hospital back, they want their town centre regenerated, they want affordable housing and they want their football club to remain in existence. I have no time for George Galloway, but he represents an appetite for change (whether that be on the left or the right), the current electoral system makes that hard but it's a good thing that the main parties are getting a bloody nose, it might make them work harder for people's votes........ Quelle Surprise. I shall update my point: I feel for the 61.3% of Rochdale's democratic electorate that didn't vote for his appetite of change in addition to those who chose not to vote at all. Why feel sorry for people who can’t be arsed to walk down the street and vote themselves? Voting is a responsibility of a citizen. If they can’t be arsed to meet their responsibilities, they don’t deserve pity.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 1, 2024 12:32:19 GMT
The people of Rochdale have exercised their democratic right to vote in their preferred candidate. They don't want pity, they want their hospital back, they want their town centre regenerated, they want affordable housing and they want their football club to remain in existence. I have no time for George Galloway, but he represents an appetite for change (whether that be on the left or the right), the current electoral system makes that hard but it's a good thing that the main parties are getting a bloody nose, it might make them work harder for people's votes........ Quelle Surprise.I shall update my point: I feel for the 61.3% of Rochdale's democratic electorate that didn't vote for his appetite of change in addition to those who chose not to vote at all. You'll have to elaborate, bit too cryptic for me? The problem is people have had enough of arrogant bastards who look down their noses at those who voted to leave the EU, and who think that the poor and marginalised should just suck it up and accept Starmer's slightly watered down version of Toryism. Anything that causes a change to the status quo is ok by me, if electoral reform isn't possible then the next best thing is for the main parties to be split so that people have something tangible to vote for............
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 1, 2024 12:38:26 GMT
I don't particularly like Tice , but he isn't completely stupid. I think the electoral process and intimidation etc / how far " we" can go in safely and honestly presenting and preventing a different point of view needs to be looked at. Also I think he is dead right on postal votes, most are completely unnecessary and gives an unnecessary opportunity for fraud. ( and for me, those who say" evidence shows that electoral fraud is only a minority issue" are missing the point entirely. We should do our very best to eliminate ALL fraud. One vote could make a difference) You were asking the other day BJR about populist politicians and the difference between left and right. Well what we saw last night, in Galloway, is a perfect example of a populist politician from the left. Hopefully his win, will get Starmer to have a rethink on his position on Gaza, as it becomes apparent to him that for a lot of traditional Labour voters, Palestine is a line that a Labour leader simply shouldn't cross. But as I said last night, it's still too early to tell if Galloway will become an actual thorn in Starmer's side. As for Tice, we'll it's a devastating blow for him and he was getting his excuses in early last night. It's all a rather bit odd that none of the other party's have complained about any intimidation at all and it does make you wonder if Tice is throwing his toys out of the pram a bit on this one. It'll be interesting to see if there are any prosecutions as a result of his claims, I rather suspect that there won't. Whatever your leaning or beliefs I genuinely think it's one of the most interesting things to happen in UK politics for a good while. It'll be interesting to see if it shakes the status quo up.
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Post by gawa on Mar 1, 2024 12:46:55 GMT
How does this intimidation actually effect a result though? No-one can stand over someone when they cast their vote, nor know what anybody else is voting for, if you intimate someone aren't they more likely to vote against that? For postal votes you have to be registered, provide national insurance number, passport evidence etc these days so it's difficult to get around that one. There should be no intimidation whatsoever. It needs stamping out before it escalates. Why do it... whether it affects voting or not. On postal votes , do we know who is actually filling in the forms? Do 22,000 really need them? Intimidation is an interesting point. I think we need to look at it more as "exerting influence". George Galloway was very good at articulating what happened in the commons last week on an interview he did with GB News. Starmer broke convention to avoid voting for a SNP ceasefire. This was due to intimidation/exerting influence from the Israeli lobby who financially fund 40% of his cabinet and also the fact the Israeli president phoned him prior to convention being broken to exert further pressure. Labour were intimidated into breaking democratic conventions by the Israeli lobby. You won't find our main stream media call that out though. By calling anyone who doesn't agree with Israeli lobbyists as intimidating hate marching pro hamas terrorist sympathisers its just another example of caving into the Israel lobbyists.
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Post by salopstick on Mar 1, 2024 12:47:12 GMT
You were asking the other day BJR about populist politicians and the difference between left and right. Well what we saw last night, in Galloway, is a perfect example of a populist politician from the left. Hopefully his win, will get Starmer to have a rethink on his position on Gaza, as it becomes apparent to him that for a lot of traditional Labour voters, Palestine is a line that a Labour leader simply shouldn't cross. But as I said last night, it's still too early to tell if Galloway will become an actual thorn in Starmer's side. As for Tice, we'll it's a devastating blow for him and he was getting his excuses in early last night. It's all a rather bit odd that none of the other party's have complained about any intimidation at all and it does make you wonder if Tice is throwing his toys out of the pram a bit on this one. It'll be interesting to see if there are any prosecutions as a result of his claims, I rather suspect that there won't. Whatever your leaning or beliefs I genuinely think it's one of the most interesting things to happen in UK politics for a good while. It'll be interesting to see if it shakes the status quo up. he will not be MP of Rochdale after the GE
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 1, 2024 12:49:53 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 1, 2024 12:53:15 GMT
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Mar 1, 2024 12:57:23 GMT
Whatever your leaning or beliefs I genuinely think it's one of the most interesting things to happen in UK politics for a good while. It'll be interesting to see if it shakes the status quo up. he will not be MP of Rochdale after the GE He probably won't even stand, he has a track record of winning bye elections then standing down, or even contesting another seat... Can't be good for his constituents having a here to day gone tomorrow MP
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Mar 1, 2024 12:59:33 GMT
Not seen that before, and even though I conna stand him no one, especially a public servant, deserves that... Fookin hell Huddy, thats 2 posts we have agreed on in the last few months.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 1, 2024 13:00:54 GMT
We definitely need to look at intimidation and in my opinion anything that impinges on free and fair elections, irrespective of allegiances
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 1, 2024 13:04:09 GMT
The intimidation of MP's doesn't count if it's George Galloway or Jeremy Corbyn. And that's physical assault as opposed to MP's being shouted at in the street............
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 1, 2024 13:08:58 GMT
The intimidation of MP's doesn't count if it's George Galloway or Jeremy Corbyn. And that's physical assault as opposed to MP's being shouted at in the street............ I know you are being ironic or sarcastic Prestwich, but of course it all counts. There should be no intimidation at elections, irrespective of allegiance
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Post by gawa on Mar 1, 2024 13:14:58 GMT
Careful Huddy it doesn't suit the narrative. I'm just shocked by the number of people who are opposed to climate change, obsess over woman definitions, love brexit and they're unhappy with this result. Why? Because the media tell you not to be? I thought labour/tory are all the same and this is a break from the big two. But still not happy. I don't get it. I disagree strongly with alot of Galloways politics but I'm happy he's elected because of what it means to the establishment and status quo.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 1, 2024 13:18:33 GMT
Careful Huddy it doesn't suit the narrative. I'm just shocked by the number of people who are opposed to climate change, obsess over woman definitions, love brexit and they're unhappy with this result. Why? Because the media tell you not to be? I thought labour/tory are all the same and this is a break from the big two. But still not happy. I don't get it. I disagree strongly with alot of Galloways politics but I'm happy he's elected because of what it means to the establishment and status quo. In fairness Gawa, I'm sure Tice, most( all) politicians and the public are totally against what happened to Galloway. We have had two political murders in recent history. If there is an agenda, it is that of the selective media
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 1, 2024 13:21:46 GMT
Do we know the reason for this threat on Danczuk? Does it have anything to do with the sexually explicit texts he sent to a 17 year old or the sex abuse allegations from his former wife? Obviously any type of death threat is abhorrent but in Rochdale of all places, we need to keep our eye on the ball here.
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Post by gawa on Mar 1, 2024 13:39:04 GMT
Careful Huddy it doesn't suit the narrative. I'm just shocked by the number of people who are opposed to climate change, obsess over woman definitions, love brexit and they're unhappy with this result. Why? Because the media tell you not to be? I thought labour/tory are all the same and this is a break from the big two. But still not happy. I don't get it. I disagree strongly with alot of Galloways politics but I'm happy he's elected because of what it means to the establishment and status quo. In fairness Gawa, I'm sure Tice, most( all) politicians and the public are totally against what happened to Galloway. We have had two political murders in recent history. If there is an agenda, it is that of the selective media Do you not find it a bit ironic that the topic only came up when Labour broke our democratic conventions to NOT vote for the SNP ceasefire. When you intimidate a witness for instance, you do so to make them do what you want. When the speaker says (hours after breaking convention and using a different excuse) that he did so because of "MP Safety" and "intimidation". Then who are they caving into John? It's not the pro hamas hate marching terrorist sympathising mobs demands they bowed down to. If it was all they had to do was vote with the SNP, not break convention to deny the SNP motion from being tabled. Money has alot of influence in politics. Which donors benefited from PPE? How much work do companies like servco get from the government? How often do we hear about MPs involved in lobbying scandals where they get financed by a third party and then try to push through legislation which benefits said third party? How big a loan did the former BBC General director help Boris Johnson gain after getting the big job at the BBC? How much money does the Israel lobby sink into the conservative and labour party? You're very right to talk about two MP's being murdered, George Galloway being hospitalised and Corbyn being attacked in the streets. So why did MP Safety only become a talking point hours after Lindsay Hoyle broke convention and received alot of backlash for doing so. If I follow the money and if I follow who breaking convention benefited it points to the Israeli lobbyists. That doesn't mean I don't think MP Safety should be taken seriously - it should. But it shouldn't be weaponised to try and make out that a large chunk of the population doing peaceful protests against a genocide are hate marching, pro hams, terrorist sympathising angry mobs. That is an attack on democracy and the right to protest because certain politicians are being intimidated by lobbyists and whips in their parties. No doubt there are people in the public intimidating MP's too and they should be dealt with but lets not try and pretend it's all one way or fearmonger the population into making out it's a bigger problem than it is. We also shouldn't shy away or forget about those who exert significant influence over our policies through financial backing. The examples I mention in paragraph 3 all being recent events were those with financial power have influenced our politicial democracy for the benefit of the few. I think we'll likely continue to disagree on this or not fully agree and I know my views aren't the majority either - some may even claim it's antisemitic which is fair enough. Maybe I'm completely wrong and playing it down and if so I'm a naive eejit and that's on me. I just can't get past it though and I do firmly think it's being weaponised. That doesn't mean there isn't intimidation or threats from some people in the public who support a ceasefire - of course there is. But I think those threats aren't as significant or widespread as some are alleging.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 1, 2024 14:02:38 GMT
In fairness Gawa, I'm sure Tice, most( all) politicians and the public are totally against what happened to Galloway. We have had two political murders in recent history. If there is an agenda, it is that of the selective media Do you not find it a bit ironic that the topic only came up when Labour broke our democratic conventions to NOT vote for the SNP ceasefire. When you intimidate a witness for instance, you do so to make them do what you want. When the speaker says (hours after breaking convention and using a different excuse) that he did so because of "MP Safety" and "intimidation". Then who are they caving into John? It's not the pro hamas hate marching terrorist sympathising mobs demands they bowed down to. If it was all they had to do was vote with the SNP, not break convention to deny the SNP motion from being tabled. Money has alot of influence in politics. Which donors benefited from PPE? How much work do companies like servco get from the government? How often do we hear about MPs involved in lobbying scandals where they get financed by a third party and then try to push through legislation which benefits said third party? How big a loan did the former BBC General director help Boris Johnson gain after getting the big job at the BBC? How much money does the Israel lobby sink into the conservative and labour party? You're very right to talk about two MP's being murdered, George Galloway being hospitalised and Corbyn being attacked in the streets. So why did MP Safety only become a talking point hours after Lindsay Hoyle broke convention and received alot of backlash for doing so. If I follow the money and if I follow who breaking convention benefited it points to the Israeli lobbyists. That doesn't mean I don't think MP Safety should be taken seriously - it should. But it shouldn't be weaponised to try and make out that a large chunk of the population doing peaceful protests against a genocide are hate marching, pro hams, terrorist sympathising angry mobs. That is an attack on democracy and the right to protest because certain politicians are being intimidated by lobbyists and whips in their parties. No doubt there are people in the public intimidating MP's too and they should be dealt with but lets not try and pretend it's all one way or fearmonger the population into making out it's a bigger problem than it is. We also shouldn't shy away or forget about those who exert significant influence over our policies through financial backing. The examples I mention in paragraph 3 all being recent events were those with financial power have influenced our politicial democracy for the benefit of the few. I think we'll likely continue to disagree on this or not fully agree and I know my views aren't the majority either - some may even claim it's antisemitic which is fair enough. Maybe I'm completely wrong and playing it down and if so I'm a naive eejit and that's on me. I just can't get past it though and I do firmly think it's being weaponised. That doesn't mean there isn't intimidation or threats from some people in the public who support a ceasefire - of course there is. But I think those threats aren't as significant or widespread as some are alleging. I don't think we do disagree Gawa. I'm against any violence, wrongdoing etc against anyone....in this context to ensure free and fair elections. Anyone should be able to legally discuss any issue without feeling threatened....openly or indirectly. In previous posts I have mentioned the difficulty as an RE teacher of discussing Islam openly in the classroom in some contexts out of real or imaginary fear. I joined the Police because I don't like bullying or intimidation from whatever quarter towards whoever . It has no place in politics...and victims have included Farage, Corbyn, Galloway etc. I don't think we on the EE board always need to disagree, based upon previous discussions. About the Hoyle , Labour issue...Paul tried to explain it to me....I still see no link ( THERE WASN'T ONE) from the perspective/ explanation given by Hoyle and Starmer ie what did THEY say the link was ... nothing?
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Post by gawa on Mar 1, 2024 14:21:10 GMT
Do you not find it a bit ironic that the topic only came up when Labour broke our democratic conventions to NOT vote for the SNP ceasefire. When you intimidate a witness for instance, you do so to make them do what you want. When the speaker says (hours after breaking convention and using a different excuse) that he did so because of "MP Safety" and "intimidation". Then who are they caving into John? It's not the pro hamas hate marching terrorist sympathising mobs demands they bowed down to. If it was all they had to do was vote with the SNP, not break convention to deny the SNP motion from being tabled. Money has alot of influence in politics. Which donors benefited from PPE? How much work do companies like servco get from the government? How often do we hear about MPs involved in lobbying scandals where they get financed by a third party and then try to push through legislation which benefits said third party? How big a loan did the former BBC General director help Boris Johnson gain after getting the big job at the BBC? How much money does the Israel lobby sink into the conservative and labour party? You're very right to talk about two MP's being murdered, George Galloway being hospitalised and Corbyn being attacked in the streets. So why did MP Safety only become a talking point hours after Lindsay Hoyle broke convention and received alot of backlash for doing so. If I follow the money and if I follow who breaking convention benefited it points to the Israeli lobbyists. That doesn't mean I don't think MP Safety should be taken seriously - it should. But it shouldn't be weaponised to try and make out that a large chunk of the population doing peaceful protests against a genocide are hate marching, pro hams, terrorist sympathising angry mobs. That is an attack on democracy and the right to protest because certain politicians are being intimidated by lobbyists and whips in their parties. No doubt there are people in the public intimidating MP's too and they should be dealt with but lets not try and pretend it's all one way or fearmonger the population into making out it's a bigger problem than it is. We also shouldn't shy away or forget about those who exert significant influence over our policies through financial backing. The examples I mention in paragraph 3 all being recent events were those with financial power have influenced our politicial democracy for the benefit of the few. I think we'll likely continue to disagree on this or not fully agree and I know my views aren't the majority either - some may even claim it's antisemitic which is fair enough. Maybe I'm completely wrong and playing it down and if so I'm a naive eejit and that's on me. I just can't get past it though and I do firmly think it's being weaponised. That doesn't mean there isn't intimidation or threats from some people in the public who support a ceasefire - of course there is. But I think those threats aren't as significant or widespread as some are alleging. I don't think we do disagree Gawa. I'm against any violence, wrongdoing etc against anyone....in this context to ensure free and fair elections. Anyone should be able to legally discuss any issue without feeling threatened....openly or indirectly. In previous posts I have mentioned the difficulty as an RE teacher of discussing Islam openly in the classroom in some contexts out of real or imaginary fear. I joined the Police because I don't like bullying or intimidation from whatever quarter towards whoever . It has no place in politics...and victims have included Farage, Corbyn, Galloway etc. I don't think we on tge EE board always need to disagree, based upon previous discussions. About the Hoyle , Labour issue...Paul tri to explain it to me....I still see no link ( THERE WASN'T ONE) from the perspective/ explanation given by Hoyle and Starmer John I really enjoy our discussions/debates so when I said about disagreeing I don't mean it in a bad way. I'm just self aware that some of my own views could be considered far fetched or bordering on conspiracy so I just expect that people won't agree with my views surrounding this and that's the beauty of democracy I guess, we all get our opinions. I always enjoy our discussions though and the insight you bring, it's just more I don't think we will completely agree on this subject fully. I never knew you were an RE teacher before but I can see why topics like Islam could be challenging to teach. Huge respect for you being a former/current policeman though. I know they get alot of stick and me and my partner regularly have heated debates on policing but I refuse to tarnish all police with the same brush like some do. I think it's a very challenging job in todays world and we, and our politicians, should be doing more to support them rather than running them down. Police like Couzins need to be called out but they shouldn't be used to tarnish all police officers. Not sure what you mean in regards to no link but I do remember you saying that to Paul before on the starmer thread possibly. Not sure if you can elaborate on that or not. On a slightly unrelated note. I see alot of people pushing voter fraud on twitter suddenly due to the number of postal votes. I've tried to do a bit of research on this but not finding alot. The number 20,000 postal votes keeps getting floated around but not sure if this is how many votes were made by post or if it's just the number of applications made. One thing I will say though is that since the Conservative party introduced voter id, postal vote applications have increased. This is because voting by post doesn't require id - something alot of older members do not have. With that said, I criticised the decision by the conservatives a few months ago to further extend the eligibility of postal voters so that people who haven't lived in this country for well over a decade can vote. And opening that postal voting up to people who haven't lived or paid tax here in a very long time feels like an attempt to gerrymander like tories admitted the introduction of voter id was to gerrymander. I highly doubt it's benefited George Galloway in anyway however.
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Post by wannabee on Mar 1, 2024 15:13:24 GMT
Reform (and UKIP) did seem to attract some odd bod characters/ mavericks. Having said that perhaps Galloway could almost be in the same category, a one off, a chequered history. Yet he was elected. don't think Reform has any chance whatsoever, nor the Tories, Just as George would have no chance in Surrey, Devon etc nor most constituencies across the UK. Perhaps we should stick to policies not personalities as far as possible. Great idea about personalities. That would be the end of that wanker Farage for a start. To be fair Gorgeous George has managed to win 7 different Elections to become an MP As opposed to Naughty Nige who has manged to lose 7 different Elections to become an MP
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 1, 2024 15:17:39 GMT
Great idea about personalities. That would be the end of that wanker Farage for a start. To be fair Gorgeous George has managed to win 7 different Elections to become an MP As opposed to Naughty Nige who has manged to lose 7 different Elections to become an MP Suppose at least if nothing else it's good to have someone else in parliament who is a staunch Brexiteer, anti lockdown and critical of green bollocks.💚
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Post by gawa on Mar 1, 2024 15:25:55 GMT
To be fair Gorgeous George has managed to win 7 different Elections to become an MP As opposed to Naughty Nige who has manged to lose 7 different Elections to become an MP Suppose at least if nothing else it's good to have someone else in parliament who is a staunch Brexiteer, anti lockdown and critical of green bollocks.💚 Not that I agree with all those stances but it really is refreshing. Especially an MP who isn't a lap dog on a leash to party whips either. He's an enigma but I'm looking forward to the shake up.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 1, 2024 15:30:33 GMT
I don't think we do disagree Gawa. I'm against any violence, wrongdoing etc against anyone....in this context to ensure free and fair elections. Anyone should be able to legally discuss any issue without feeling threatened....openly or indirectly. In previous posts I have mentioned the difficulty as an RE teacher of discussing Islam openly in the classroom in some contexts out of real or imaginary fear. I joined the Police because I don't like bullying or intimidation from whatever quarter towards whoever . It has no place in politics...and victims have included Farage, Corbyn, Galloway etc. I don't think we on tge EE board always need to disagree, based upon previous discussions. About the Hoyle , Labour issue...Paul tri to explain it to me....I still see no link ( THERE WASN'T ONE) from the perspective/ explanation given by Hoyle and Starmer On a slightly unrelated note. I see alot of people pushing voter fraud on twitter suddenly due to the number of postal votes. I've tried to do a bit of research on this but not finding alot. The number 20,000 postal votes keeps getting floated around but not sure if this is how many votes were made by post or if it's just the number of applications made. One thing I will say though is that since the Conservative party introduced voter id, postal vote applications have increased. This is because voting by post doesn't require id - something alot of older members do not have. With that said, I criticised the decision by the conservatives a few months ago to further extend the eligibility of postal voters so that people who haven't lived in this country for well over a decade can vote. And opening that postal voting up to people who haven't lived or paid tax here in a very long time feels like an attempt to gerrymander like tories admitted the introduction of voter id was to gerrymander. I highly doubt it's benefited George Galloway in anyway however. He does have form for this sort of shenanigans ...
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Post by stokeson on Mar 1, 2024 15:35:24 GMT
To be fair Gorgeous George has managed to win 7 different Elections to become an MP As opposed to Naughty Nige who has manged to lose 7 different Elections to become an MP Suppose at least if nothing else it's good to have someone else in parliament who is a staunch Brexiteer, anti lockdown and critical of green bollocks.💚 Thats 50% of the Tory Party.....
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 1, 2024 15:41:19 GMT
Suppose at least if nothing else it's good to have someone else in parliament who is a staunch Brexiteer, anti lockdown and critical of green bollocks.💚 Not that I agree with all those stances but it really is refreshing. Especially an MP who isn't a lap dog on a leash to party whips either. He's an enigma but I'm looking forward to the shake up. Indeed mate. Re the above I did think some of the attempted censorship of Reform was appalling but as it happened, I don't think it made much difference. It isn't rocket science to work out the reasoning for the result based on the Rochdale demographic. As you say, if nothing else, it is an alternate viewpoint and right now, any alternative viewpoint in parliament should be celebrated.
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