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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 1, 2024 15:41:58 GMT
Suppose at least if nothing else it's good to have someone else in parliament who is a staunch Brexiteer, anti lockdown and critical of green bollocks.💚 Thats 50% of the Tory Party..... Evidently not. See the past 4 years for further information.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 1, 2024 16:06:43 GMT
Great idea about personalities. That would be the end of that wanker Farage for a start. To be fair Gorgeous George has managed to win 7 different Elections to become an MP As opposed to Naughty Nige who has manged to lose 7 different Elections to become an MP But he was a very successful MEP.
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Post by knype on Mar 1, 2024 16:23:11 GMT
Appropriate for Rochdale then... Why is it suitable for rochdale,are you saying the people of Rochdale deserve such an MP. I've answered a similar question off Huddy earlier
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Post by wannabee on Mar 1, 2024 16:23:24 GMT
How does this intimidation actually effect a result though? No-one can stand over someone when they cast their vote, nor know what anybody else is voting for, if you intimate someone aren't they more likely to vote against that? For postal votes you have to be registered, provide national insurance number, passport evidence etc these days so it's difficult to get around that one. There should be no intimidation whatsoever. It needs stamping out before it escalates. Why do it... whether it affects voting or not. On postal votes , do we know who is actually filling in the forms? Do 22,000 really need them? BJR do you we have independent source for Tice's claim of 23,000 Postal Votes? I've looked and can't find it. The reason I'm dubious is that there are other claims in Tice's Tweet I know to be false. Assuming his claim to be correct and every single Galloway Vote was Postal it would account for only 55% of all Postal Votes As someone said earlier to register for Postal Voting requires ID and Signature, that Signature is then checked when Postal Vote is returned. Perhaps there may be a simpler answer that people don't want to avoid being intimidated about who they want to Vote for, which in this case was Galloway by a landslide, at Polling Stations as you have said they shouldn't, of course I agree with you. I'm not sure why people are surprised at the result. At the beginning the Labour Candidate was 1/3 and Galloway 3/1 After deselected the Odds reversed At both times Reform Candidate was 50/1. Reform never had a chance of winning this by-election as Tice knows well.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 1, 2024 16:33:38 GMT
There should be no intimidation whatsoever. It needs stamping out before it escalates. Why do it... whether it affects voting or not. On postal votes , do we know who is actually filling in the forms? Do 22,000 really need them? BJR do you we have independent source for Tice's claim of 23,000 Postal Votes? I've looked and can't find it. The reason I'm dubious is that there are other claims in Tice's Tweet I know to be false. Assuming his claim to be correct and every single Galloway Vote was Postal it would account for only 55% of all Postal Votes As someone said earlier to register for Postal Voting requires ID and Signature, that Signature is then checked when Postal Vote is returned. Perhaps there may be a simpler answer that people don't want to avoid being intimidated about who they want to Vote for, which in this case was Galloway by a landslide, at Polling Stations as you have said they shouldn't, of course I agree with you. I'm not sure why people are surprised at the result. At the beginning the Labour Candidate was 1/3 and Galloway 3/1 After deselected the Odds reversed At both times Reform Candidate was 50/1. Reform never had a chance of winning this by-election as Tice knows well. No I don't, just accepting it at face value, I thought it seemed alot. For me it is a much wider issue than Rochdale. I think it is largely unnecessary and at the least adds an extra layer of possibility of fraud. Pickles did a report on it , following Peterborough I think, I'll look for it later. If voting is important then I think that people should make every effort to get to the polling station....obviously exceptions should be made for disabled people. Postal voting adds an extra layer of doubt. I know that many on here don't agree, but I would also have poster id. Imo it would not disenfranchised the working class, who are not helpless victims. The biggest disenfranchisement is not having motivation, due to a disconnect and disaffection...and thereby the 30% who don't even vote under the present system.
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Post by wannabee on Mar 1, 2024 16:39:32 GMT
To be fair Gorgeous George has managed to win 7 different Elections to become an MP As opposed to Naughty Nige who has manged to lose 7 different Elections to become an MP But he was a very successful MEP. Partly True but I was being a bit whimsical Farage was not Elected as an MEP in his own right but under the Closed List System which he was top of UKIP List. In EU Elections People Vote for Party's not individuals. Based on the proportion of Votes received by each Party or Independent Candidates MEP seats are apportioned with reference to the order Candidates appear on their Party List.
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 1, 2024 17:04:16 GMT
Great idea about personalities. That would be the end of that wanker Farage for a start. To be fair Gorgeous George has managed to win 7 different Elections to become an MP As opposed to Naughty Nige who has manged to lose 7 different Elections to become an MP Another reason to keep FPTP as the system of electing MPs Under proportional representation nige was continually elected due to being high up in the list Every time he’s took his chance with the British public In a single seat under FPTP he’s failed PR jobs for the boys and the loons
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 1, 2024 17:05:31 GMT
But he was a very successful MEP. Partly True but I was being a bit whimsical Farage was not Elected as an MEP in his own right but under the Closed List System which he was top of UKIP List. In EU Elections People Vote for Party's not individuals. Based on the proportion of Votes received by each Party or Independent Candidates MEP seats are apportioned with reference to the order Candidates appear on their Party List. Yes, I know
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Post by gawa on Mar 1, 2024 17:27:02 GMT
There should be no intimidation whatsoever. It needs stamping out before it escalates. Why do it... whether it affects voting or not. On postal votes , do we know who is actually filling in the forms? Do 22,000 really need them? BJR do you we have independent source for Tice's claim of 23,000 Postal Votes? I've looked and can't find it. The reason I'm dubious is that there are other claims in Tice's Tweet I know to be false. Assuming his claim to be correct and every single Galloway Vote was Postal it would account for only 55% of all Postal Votes As someone said earlier to register for Postal Voting requires ID and Signature, that Signature is then checked when Postal Vote is returned. Perhaps there may be a simpler answer that people don't want to avoid being intimidated about who they want to Vote for, which in this case was Galloway by a landslide, at Polling Stations as you have said they shouldn't, of course I agree with you. I'm not sure why people are surprised at the result. At the beginning the Labour Candidate was 1/3 and Galloway 3/1 After deselected the Odds reversed At both times Reform Candidate was 50/1. Reform never had a chance of winning this by-election as Tice knows well. According to these sources you don't need Id for postal vote: www.electoral-reform.org.uk/will-i-need-photo-id-to-get-a-postal-vote/www.libdems.org.uk/news/article/4m23pvIt all comes back to the undemocratic Elections Act 2022 pushed through by Boris Johnsons majority government. (Source - en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_Act_2022). It makes me uneasy to think people who haven't lived in this country for 15 years can register for Postal votes. And all you need is a national insurance number. And to get on the electoral register for an old address all you need is a document with your name and that address. And If you have none of the documents asked for you can upload any old thing and they still may approve it. The electoral commission is also no longer independant since this act was introduced. I really don't quite understand how someone living in the area and physically attending a polling station needs ID but someone who hasn't lived in the country for 15 years nd not physically showing up doesn't. Problem is this is the sort of stuff people like Boris and Liz Truss pushed through and voted for. And they're the same people who give interviews in America saying the uk is run by a deep state and corrupt. Its like... yous are the ones corrupting the electoral process nobody else. But the media dance to their song. It's concerning the lack of coverage and scrutiny those changes got. It does dim my confidence in the electoral process as, as JRM admitted, these changes were brought in to gerrymander.
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 1, 2024 17:36:44 GMT
BJR do you we have independent source for Tice's claim of 23,000 Postal Votes? I've looked and can't find it. The reason I'm dubious is that there are other claims in Tice's Tweet I know to be false. Assuming his claim to be correct and every single Galloway Vote was Postal it would account for only 55% of all Postal Votes As someone said earlier to register for Postal Voting requires ID and Signature, that Signature is then checked when Postal Vote is returned. Perhaps there may be a simpler answer that people don't want to avoid being intimidated about who they want to Vote for, which in this case was Galloway by a landslide, at Polling Stations as you have said they shouldn't, of course I agree with you. I'm not sure why people are surprised at the result. At the beginning the Labour Candidate was 1/3 and Galloway 3/1 After deselected the Odds reversed At both times Reform Candidate was 50/1. Reform never had a chance of winning this by-election as Tice knows well. According to these sources you don't need Id for postal vote: www.electoral-reform.org.uk/will-i-need-photo-id-to-get-a-postal-vote/www.libdems.org.uk/news/article/4m23pvIt all comes back to the undemocratic Elections Act 2022 pushed through by Boris Johnsons majority government. (Source - en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_Act_2022). It makes me uneasy to think people who haven't lived in this country for 15 years can register for Postal votes. And all you need is a national insurance number. And to get on the electoral register for an old address all you need is a document with your name and that address. And If you have none of the documents asked for you can upload any old thing and they still may approve it. The electoral commission is also no longer independant since this act was introduced. I really don't quite understand how someone living in the area and physically attending a polling station needs ID but someone who hasn't lived in the country for 15 years nd not physically showing up doesn't. Problem is this is the sort of stuff people like Boris and Liz Truss pushed through and voted for. And they're the same people who give interviews in America saying the uk is run by a deep state and corrupt. Its like... yous are the ones corrupting the electoral process nobody else. But the media dance to their song. It's concerning the lack of coverage and scrutiny those changes got. It does dim my confidence in the electoral process as, as JRM admitted, these changes were brought in to gerrymander. Postal votes should only be available for people who for medical reasons cannot attend a polling station And people who can prove they will not be in there constituency at the time voting takes place These ballots could be distributed by polling officers and collected in a sealed ballot box as there dshould be so few of them If the majority of people can get off there arses to vote So should the lazy few
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Post by mrnovember on Mar 1, 2024 17:38:37 GMT
But he was a very successful MEP. Partly True but I was being a bit whimsical Farage was not Elected as an MEP in his own right but under the Closed List System which he was top of UKIP List. In EU Elections People Vote for Party's not individuals. Based on the proportion of Votes received by each Party or Independent Candidates MEP seats are apportioned with reference to the order Candidates appear on their Party List. I've never even heard of the bloody closed list system. Blows my mind how well read you are on pretty much everything. You clearly don't watch enough pornography.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 1, 2024 17:39:17 GMT
In the 2017 GE there were 8.4 million postal votes, 18% of the electorate. Seems alot to me.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 1, 2024 17:45:24 GMT
Partly True but I was being a bit whimsical Farage was not Elected as an MEP in his own right but under the Closed List System which he was top of UKIP List. In EU Elections People Vote for Party's not individuals. Based on the proportion of Votes received by each Party or Independent Candidates MEP seats are apportioned with reference to the order Candidates appear on their Party List. I've never even heard of the bloody closed list system. Blows my mind how well read you are on pretty much everything. You clearly don't watch enough pornography. He's like Murray Head, he gets his kicks above the waistline sunshine.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Mar 1, 2024 17:52:20 GMT
To be fair Gorgeous George has managed to win 7 different Elections to become an MP As opposed to Naughty Nige who has manged to lose 7 different Elections to become an MP But he was a very successful MEP. If you mean successful by not turning up , then yes. Galloway and Farage both fond of the 'celebrity' reality TV franchise. If you believe we should vote for policies rather than celebrity , then I cannot think of two better examples.
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Post by gawa on Mar 1, 2024 17:55:05 GMT
But he was a very successful MEP. If you mean successful by not turning up , then yes. Galloway and Farage both fond of the 'celebrity' reality TV franchise. If you believe we should vote for policies rather than celebrity , then I cannot think of two better examples. Big John can do what he wants. Leave my mate alone :😜
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 1, 2024 17:57:15 GMT
BJR do you we have independent source for Tice's claim of 23,000 Postal Votes? I've looked and can't find it. The reason I'm dubious is that there are other claims in Tice's Tweet I know to be false. Assuming his claim to be correct and every single Galloway Vote was Postal it would account for only 55% of all Postal Votes As someone said earlier to register for Postal Voting requires ID and Signature, that Signature is then checked when Postal Vote is returned. Perhaps there may be a simpler answer that people don't want to avoid being intimidated about who they want to Vote for, which in this case was Galloway by a landslide, at Polling Stations as you have said they shouldn't, of course I agree with you. I'm not sure why people are surprised at the result. At the beginning the Labour Candidate was 1/3 and Galloway 3/1 After deselected the Odds reversed At both times Reform Candidate was 50/1. Reform never had a chance of winning this by-election as Tice knows well. According to these sources you don't need Id for postal vote: www.electoral-reform.org.uk/will-i-need-photo-id-to-get-a-postal-vote/www.libdems.org.uk/news/article/4m23pvIt all comes back to the undemocratic Elections Act 2022 pushed through by Boris Johnsons majority government. (Source - en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_Act_2022). It makes me uneasy to think people who haven't lived in this country for 15 years can register for Postal votes. And all you need is a national insurance number. And to get on the electoral register for an old address all you need is a document with your name and that address. And If you have none of the documents asked for you can upload any old thing and they still may approve it. The electoral commission is also no longer independant since this act was introduced. I really don't quite understand how someone living in the area and physically attending a polling station needs ID but someone who hasn't lived in the country for 15 years nd not physically showing up doesn't. Problem is this is the sort of stuff people like Boris and Liz Truss pushed through and voted for. And they're the same people who give interviews in America saying the uk is run by a deep state and corrupt. Its like... yous are the ones corrupting the electoral process nobody else. But the media dance to their song. It's concerning the lack of coverage and scrutiny those changes got. It does dim my confidence in the electoral process as, as JRM admitted, these changes were brought in to gerrymander. I remember a lot of backlash from opposition parties to the voting requirements and the fact young people cannot use forms of ID old people can. It is a blatant attempt by the tories to help their base (generally older people) vote, but make it harder for the young who tend not to vote Tory.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 1, 2024 18:00:42 GMT
But he was a very successful MEP. If you mean successful by not turning up , then yes. Galloway and Farage both fond of the 'celebrity' reality TV franchise. If you believe we should vote for policies rather than celebrity , then I cannot think of two better examples. He achieved what he set out to do. Yes I believe we should vote for policies and not attack the personalities( as you seem to want to do) Having said that both those you mention are good leaders, are prepared to answer questions, clear orators and believe what they are saying....and are not afraid to say what they think , irrespective of any party allegiance. Like most people ( such as Clegg, memoir authors, guest speakers, advisers etc) they have also made the most of their opportunities, and in the case of Farage apparently going in the jungle did his reputation no harm as a human being ( not thst I've ever seen any of it) The obsession with Farage is impressive though
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 1, 2024 18:02:53 GMT
If you mean successful by not turning up , then yes. Galloway and Farage both fond of the 'celebrity' reality TV franchise. If you believe we should vote for policies rather than celebrity , then I cannot think of two better examples. He achieved what he set out to do. Yes I believe we should vote for policies and not attack the personalities( as you seem to want to do) Having said that both those you mention are good leaders, are prepared to answer questions, clear orators and believe what they are saying....and are not afraid to say what they think , irrespective of any party allegiance. Like most people ( such as Clegg, memoir authors, guest speakers, advisers etc) they have also made the most of their opportunities, and in the case of Farage apparently going in the jungle did his reputation no harm as a human being ( not thst I've ever seen any of it) The obsession with Farage is impressive though He literally never shuts up about Big Nige. It’s Nige this, Nige that. He’s clearly obsessed 👀
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 1, 2024 18:03:55 GMT
According to these sources you don't need Id for postal vote: www.electoral-reform.org.uk/will-i-need-photo-id-to-get-a-postal-vote/www.libdems.org.uk/news/article/4m23pvIt all comes back to the undemocratic Elections Act 2022 pushed through by Boris Johnsons majority government. (Source - en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_Act_2022). It makes me uneasy to think people who haven't lived in this country for 15 years can register for Postal votes. And all you need is a national insurance number. And to get on the electoral register for an old address all you need is a document with your name and that address. And If you have none of the documents asked for you can upload any old thing and they still may approve it. The electoral commission is also no longer independant since this act was introduced. I really don't quite understand how someone living in the area and physically attending a polling station needs ID but someone who hasn't lived in the country for 15 years nd not physically showing up doesn't. Problem is this is the sort of stuff people like Boris and Liz Truss pushed through and voted for. And they're the same people who give interviews in America saying the uk is run by a deep state and corrupt. Its like... yous are the ones corrupting the electoral process nobody else. But the media dance to their song. It's concerning the lack of coverage and scrutiny those changes got. It does dim my confidence in the electoral process as, as JRM admitted, these changes were brought in to gerrymander. Postal votes should only be available for people who for medical reasons cannot attend a polling station And people who can prove they will not be in there constituency at the time voting takes place These ballots could be distributed by polling officers and collected in a sealed ballot box as there dshould be so few of them If the majority of people can get off there arses to vote So should the lazy few What if you are away for work? Or on holiday? Voter fraud is an absolute myth. It just doesn’t really happen. Of the 1,386 cases of alleged electoral fraud reported to police between 2018 and 2022, 9 led to convictions and the police issued 6 cautions. Whereas in local elections last year, 14,000 voters were turned away for not having the correct id. How many then returned with the correct id? Half at the most I would guess. However, the actual figure of 14,000 was likely to be higher given that almost 40% of polling stations used “greeters”, tasked with telling voters before they went in that ID was needed. If a person left before going into the polling station they were not recorded in the data. Polling stations that used greeters showed notably lower average rates of people turned away than those that did not – 0.55% against 0.8%. 4% of those asked that did not vote said it was because of voter id requirements. So the new law introduced by Johnson is a much greater threat to our democracy than electoral fraud.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 1, 2024 18:04:51 GMT
But he was a very successful MEP. If you mean successful by not turning up , then yes. Galloway and Farage both fond of the 'celebrity' reality TV franchise. If you believe we should vote for policies rather than celebrity , then I cannot think of two better examples. Johnson perhaps
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Post by mrnovember on Mar 1, 2024 18:06:12 GMT
I've never even heard of the bloody closed list system. Blows my mind how well read you are on pretty much everything. You clearly don't watch enough pornography. He's like Murray Head, he gets his kicks above the waistline sunshine. Surprised he hasn't gone balls deep, debunking all the opinions on the Crisp thread tbh.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 1, 2024 18:06:58 GMT
He achieved what he set out to do. Yes I believe we should vote for policies and not attack the personalities( as you seem to want to do) Having said that both those you mention are good leaders, are prepared to answer questions, clear orators and believe what they are saying....and are not afraid to say what they think , irrespective of any party allegiance. Like most people ( such as Clegg, memoir authors, guest speakers, advisers etc) they have also made the most of their opportunities, and in the case of Farage apparently going in the jungle did his reputation no harm as a human being ( not thst I've ever seen any of it) The obsession with Farage is impressive though He literally never shuts up about Big Nige. It’s Nige this, Nige that. He’s clearly obsessed 👀 Like someone else I know.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 1, 2024 18:07:48 GMT
He's like Murray Head, he gets his kicks above the waistline sunshine. Surprised he hasn't gone balls deep, debunking all the opinions on the Crisp thread tbh. It would all be suitably referenced.
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Post by mrnovember on Mar 1, 2024 18:11:32 GMT
Surprised he hasn't gone balls deep, debunking all the opinions on the Crisp thread tbh. It would all be suitably referenced. And subtle in the scathing public humiliation
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 1, 2024 18:15:52 GMT
He literally never shuts up about Big Nige. It’s Nige this, Nige that. He’s clearly obsessed 👀 Like someone else I know. Prestwich?
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 1, 2024 18:23:52 GMT
If you mean successful by not turning up , then yes. Galloway and Farage both fond of the 'celebrity' reality TV franchise. If you believe we should vote for policies rather than celebrity , then I cannot think of two better examples. He achieved what he set out to do. Yes I believe we should vote for policies and not attack the personalities( as you seem to want to do) Having said that both those you mention are good leaders, are prepared to answer questions, clear orators and believe what they are saying....and are not afraid to say what they think , irrespective of any party allegiance. Like most people ( such as Clegg, memoir authors, guest speakers, advisers etc) they have also made the most of their opportunities, and in the case of Farage apparently going in the jungle did his reputation no harm as a human being ( not thst I've ever seen any of it) The obsession with Farage is impressive though Nige answers a question. He answers well. In fact I would say he is one of the most convincing serial liars in recent political history.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 1, 2024 18:24:06 GMT
Like someone else I know. Prestwich? No he's a bigger prick than him. Very disablist. You watching that new ch4 comedy show tonight?
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 1, 2024 18:25:10 GMT
No he's a bigger prick than him. Very disablist. You watching that new ch4 comedy show tonight? I know who you mean. Has a problem with the word “woke”.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 1, 2024 18:25:52 GMT
No he's a bigger prick than him. Very disablist. You watching that new ch4 comedy show tonight? Must be Oggy
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 1, 2024 18:26:34 GMT
No he's a bigger prick than him. Very disablist. You watching that new ch4 comedy show tonight? I know who you mean. Has a problem with the word “woke”. That’s him👍🏻
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